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Mishna Berura DH Siman 119 Seif 3-4 A Shliach Tzibbur Who Says Anneinu in the Wrong Location

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okay good morning everyone we're continuing in we're learning we're at the end of the said in that that forgotten he didn't sayu he doesn't go back even if he just finished Ru and if he does go back after he said then it's but he rather say it's a that is because he has to go back and say an if he's going to go back and say he'll have to go back and say another time so that the should be in order we saw yesterday that whenever you go back even already said you have to repeat so that they're in order namely after you don't go back if he forgot and he said in the wrong place he said he said I'm sorry he said says you got to say it again who asks you to say Anu before the explains that the need to be and if you say and then it's not it has to be after you have to say in other words what's the problem here you put Anu in the wrong place no the problem is not you put Anu in the wrong place the problem is you put in the wrong place has to be after cannnot be after an says you have to say it again is not so sure about this why the primam explains that the saf is is the location of Anu daa aftera therefore you have to say it again aftera or do we say look you don't even have to say Anu an is not so is if if an is not how could the location of an be right that sounds pretty logical if you if you don't say it entirely it's okay so how could it be if you say it in the wrong place then you have to D it again but then the adds maybe it's not the location of that's but it's a and has to be after and when you say Anu you're making a so it's not going to help so now the problem is well if that's the problem how is it going to help to say Anu after you still didn't say re in the right place in other words the says well say Anu again well that's not going to do anything because the problem was not that you didn't say Anu in the right place the problem was that you didn't say in the right place because you are M between it and SL so the the says he doesn't understand the mug if the issue is if the issue is that you didn't say in the right place because you Mai between and Anu so then it's not going to help to say it again you didn't put on in the right place but if you don't even have to say it then why would it be to say it in the right place so I don't understand that maybe you don't have to say it but you do have to say it and the place to say it is after so say it after I I think I understand the m in other words the m is saying let's say I didn't say an in the right spot maybe I have to say it again anyway says maybe you don't and if you want you could let's say that the same D would be if you don't have 10 people like this let's say you don't have 10 people fasting in the sh from here we see if you don't have 10 people fasting you don't say an as a separate says us later on now there's a question whether this applies to the tin seore that it's kava so what's the case over here um let's say you didn't have 10 people fasting in the besses and then they come after then the shots says it and what if you didn't have 10 people then the I guess wouldn't say it in either let's say when the started ding had 10 people were fasting and they left before Anu he should not say Anu I would have said he should say ano usually it goes by the beginning of the subject matter if in the beginning of the subject matter you had the requisite she actually I don't understand why he wouldn't say Anu because right now you don't have 10 people fasting it does why would it Go by now doesn't it Go by when you start but the if you already started then it's grandfathered in but if you just started it's not grandfathered in mhm I wouldn't have thought this in fact I don't really understand it why would Anu not be like any other in other words let's say the the starts with a minion and he doesn't have a minion could he f of course he could finish so if he's allowed to finish cuz it goes by the then why would Anu be any different because you don't have 10 people fasting it doesn't so what are you going to say is a is a no it's not it's part what why not you need there's a you need you need 10 people to say the word an no there's no such then that you need a min to say the word watch see I did it if nobody's fasting of course you want to know sometime saying fasting or it is I don't know what he's saying saying if uh if you if let's say when he was saying the word Anu he said Anu you had 10 people fast and then they walked out he finishes it right I but you can't say you can't say no the answer is your grandfather then so the of grandfathered in we know go by the beginning of no you say what's the case so he sticks it into so the is saying you don't say like let's say the forgot even in then he shouldn't say it this is very interesting if who forgot or the because the doesn't say why is he talking about a over here maybe even the says it after in other words what's if you forget on on a fast day do you could you say it at the end of so here the m is saying you say after you say the word before s um page 34 number 28 and you say it before you outside H by the way um thein that even if you don't have 10 people fasting the shots always says so in this case let's say you didn't have 10 people fasting in the besses you don't you don't have a minion fasting then the shots doesn't even say it in holds you always say it in paskin you only you don't say it in in so the points out the that if you didn't have and then after you have is even according to that you don't usually say when you don't have a he would be here but certainly who says that if you don't have 10 people fasting you still say it in which by the way I think you could ask on that as well if when you started the you didn't have 10 people fasting how could you just in middle of change courses and inject it into sh it doesn't go by the beginning of it goes by why do all the other of go by the beginning and when it comes to it goes by it's very interesting okay let's begin Simon should we we'll start it you know what we won't we won't start it okay we're going to hold it over here we'll pick up we'll start with K on Monday yeah maybe somebody could think about why does the din of Anu why is it not grandfathered in that if when you started sh you had 10 people fasting and then some of them left you should not say Anu you're allowed to say kadus no you're allowed to say kadus yeah why I a I had it but now I don't have it no grandfather in so fasting is different okay say have a good shabas okay ctive everyone recording stopped