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Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 84 Seif 1 - Devarim She'bekedusha in a Bathhouse

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progress okay everyone we're continuing in we're learning Simon P if it's permitted to read in a bath house what's the issue with the bath house we'll have to see is it an issue of people being unclad is it an issue of that was never used you're lad reading it the says it means it was not used even once if it was used once then it's like an old one since there was designation and action in other words designation alone is meaningless but if there was designation and action then we say it does have significance says the and an old one outer room that everyone is dressed your L learn are dress some are not you're allowed to ask how are you invoke the name of but you can't say adds you could even think in learning in the middle room the Inner Room that everyone there is unclad sh even sh is in the Inner Room where everyone is not dressed even it's to answer aain in the bath house even though in we hold in alone is is worse so in we said why said which is interesting that by a daanan you would have to go back because didn't we bring from RAR in the end of sim P that regarding since it's m right because the Rama's last words in Simon and that's consistent with the den of Bak that was hman however rer says regarding since so how how how does that work why does if even a that wasman you do have to go [Music] back mhm because earlier theim that you do go back even by daanan so it seems like it's a question whether you have to go back by a there the M was talking about by so you do go back so what exactly is this rer talking about um okay that's part of what we were discussing last time fine so is it um it's to the point where if you said it in a in a Bak you would have to go back [Music] M fine um in the middle room where some are and some are some say now we're talking about at the middle room some people are dressed and some are not dressed even if they're all dressed or there's no one there since this room is designated for people to be unclothed it has a so you shouldn't in there ACC to in the room where the uh worker works out of and people stand there unclothed according to m in the room where the uh the bath house attendant lives and some people stand there unclothed you're allow to learn there and Dav in if no one's there this is all the middle house the inner house they all stand there unclothed and they bathe there that's more disgusting everybody would say it has a din of a bathroom it's even if no one is there even if it's the D of that bath house to bathe only in the summer it's lacked in the winter then even then it would have all the of a bath house its name has not been removed from it if you did some kind of act that changes it you change the actual edifice let's say you put your oven there and you made it a place where people live you could even put up a the same D would be regarding a that if you do a then you could change its status and extricate it from the state of being a b or a B now in this area you're all but you can't learn said we'll start this likewise the only thing that's says if you made a you don't have to go back you don't have to say it again even if somebody was there unclothed provided he was not directly opposite you when you were reading it or if you turned around otherwise you'd have to repeat it again okay we're going to hold it here tomorrow Monday we'll see the laws of Mikvah regarding whether saying and kadus again just to sort of leave you off with a question is not but it is that's why the said at the end of it's and even you would have to go back so I am not clear what is the den regarding you do go back likewise in Sim I invol the M said that if you're in a place if you find urine even in a place where you should have been mic you don't have to go back however if you knew that there was Ur there and you intentionally viol ated you have to go back CU you're over so it seems like when you're over you have to go back however reer says when the at the end of sim when says says I in Simon I where somebody said sh and his GID was touching him the M BR says you do not have to go back even though there so it's not clear what in what circumstances you have to go could be sometimes you have to go back and sometimes they're not in other words there are certain uhar that they say if you don't do it correctly you have to go back and sometimes they said have a wonderful shabas recording stop sorry this the beginning so sorry pleas what exactly is wrong