Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 75 Seif 1 When Is A Tefach Uncovered of a Women

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good morning everyone we're continuing in today we begin Simon to be careful from uncovering hair and the voice of a woman at the time of and not to say sh opposite says the Holy says a that is uncovered in a woman in a place that's typically covered even if she's your own wife so let's say you won't necessarily elicit you cannot say some say that the she of a is only by one's wife so there is a that the does not apply to a woman who's not your wife that's the just for the woman herself her own uncovered flesh is not considered unless it's m unless it's what's the reason why is in other words is it is it or is there a reason why it's t to the okay I don't think I ever realized this before in other words I thought let's say of a woman let's say is it is an it is inherently Ana it is definitionally Ana says no he's quoting and it's also to mention or to read any opposite like opposite Mish now the says what about an AA caned in erva that D Mar What's d Mara a mirror or a screen or a or a window a mirror let's say Ina opposite a mirror the says you can't say can I get it also to look we know that even in one's own wife even though you're allowed to look at a m that's normally covered but not the Mish SOA says through a mirror is also user what about opposite a picture of an AA in other words like this let's say you're you're driving through Time Square and sa M wherever you you turn they um illicit pictures or or or or images are you allowed to say sh or is that like Ina so says it's m the says it's that which is very interesting because if it would be User it's not going to help to close your eyes okay when when you so it's hard to say then if you close you're D you're on a subway and there's a bad billboard you closing your eyes would not allow you to learn according to according to it would could a picture has help everybody but but there's no such get there you know he doesn't say that he says it as a din of Ana what's the get thereof I mean if you now to say opposite right let's say there there's an a opposite a picture opposite and I'm not looking at it so says I can't DAV why not cuz it has a of so then wouldn't help right unless you invent a new category but okay um and they look in the Mish Mish says if you are facing an will not help unless you actually unless you turn away it's not going to help if you close your eyes who didn't if you have a woman sitting in front of you whose elbows are not covered so not only will it not help um not only are you DAV but it's not going to help to close your eyes in other words you're on a subway the lady in front of you her elbows are uncovered it doesn't help to close your eyes you have to be physically turned away CL now there are those listen carefully who that if you close your eyes and you won't look at all you could say okay this is a very important okay the says that we pass in that neged Mish closing your eyes doesn't help M says neged closing your eyes doesn't help however there is a that if you Mage keep your eyes closed and you don't look at all don't look at all means you're not going to open your in other words it's time to say sh and there's no way to physically contort yourself to turn in another Direction you could be make provided you keep your eyes closed and do not look at all meaning you will not open the eye even one time during the now what if it's hard to keep your eyes closed so much could you stop saying the sh and open your eyes just you know not to look as well what have a s in front of your face no I don't know in front of your face eyes front of your eyes just in front of your mouth says that doesn't help it's you want to put a s in front of your face okay that's not different than closing your eyes but again provided that you don't take it down at all throughout the whole recitation of of what you're saying okay so if if it's not possible in other words you're on the subway there's no way to really turn around you could rely on closing your eyes fine in a place where it's to cover it but her face and her hands according to the custom that it's uncovered in that place likewise the leg until the thigh which is until the knee in a place where the Min gets to go barefoot it's m in other words let's say a woman is wearing a her a skirt it's covering her knee from from the knee down is that in ARA so the missu says in a place where the women go barefoot you could read opposite it since it's sort of a routine to for women to dress that way will not come to improper thoughts however in a place where the is to cover even the leg then the she would be like the rest of the body of a woman but her upper arm or her thigh even if it's customary for it not to be covered you live in a very modern community and women don't cover their knees it's an era irrespective of the uh provocative or immodest way that women are dressing up it would be okay so basically from the knee up it doesn't matter what community you live in it is Ana a would be Ana below the knee in a place where the custom is to go barefoot it's not in AA now I'm sure as you know below the knee is a matter of uh discussion [Music] um let's see what he brings down over here because uh we know that in in most bace Yakov one of the important principles that they try to convey one second of course the batter is die brand RAB Jer will uh will fill fill us in if I uh miss any detail but I think in most traditionally the the for for is that aside from covering the knee from the knee down should not be bare in other words there should be some kind of leggings or stocking to cover that in some way because that's now is the missa requiring that over here an honest reading would yield that it depends on the community that you live in if you live in a more modern community and women do not um cover that at all and it's bare the Miss BR does not seem to be mandating it if you do live in a community that it's uh customary to have some form of covering then it must be it sounds like it has to be completely covered it doesn't sound from the Misha that there's any in between level that it doesn't have to be covered but it has to have some kind of uh beged of of um it does seem to be left up to minhag certainly the Min hug of of uh bakov schools is uh to be M about this um says can a woman walk around barefoot in her own home without socks says if there no men around it's m says that a woman in indoors she doesn't have to wear socks the says she does have to okay Kish writes that it could be that the area beneath the knee is called the sh and it's user to be to read opposite that I will point out that doesn't seem that way for the miss m says beneath the knee is for sure M um what about for a man to say can get his wife who's not wearing socks says if she doesn't wear socks in the house you're allowed to do it if she usually wears socks in the house it's user R Yash says it's always user so whether or not your wife wear socks or not that's her business or maybe it's your business also but whether you say kidos um you know you might want to say put your feet on the table how that's going to go over this is not a right now this is you know how to apply that that's a different story okay um what about the neckline so the deu brings that the say for I'm not familiar with that says that the the Bas B I guess is the the neck does not have to be covered says you're allowed to be lenient until the bone if that's the how exactly to measure that I'll leave that to the basak of principles to mandate exactly uh where this what this area is uh considered but if you live in B park or you live in Williamsburg then uh to for a woman would would be Hally obligated to cover um everything beneath the knee the entire lower leg if you live in a different Community I guess that's uh there's room for further discussion okay v um gim so in other words that at the time that a woman is nursing you have to be careful not to say obviously if something is somewhat uncovered if it's not uncovered then there's no issue I by the way the question would be what if a woman is nursing and what's uncovered is less than a would not be a problem only would be in less than a would not be how do you measure how do you [Music] um I don't know we'll have to look into that hopefully we'll see by the way look in the first is very important is even a three-year-old if it's your own daughter now this is a very important Y which means like this your daughter has friend she's 4 years old her she's wearing a very short sleeve you can't make kesing to she's wearing a skirt your daughter has a four-year-old friend over your your your niece is in the house the skirt is she's a baby according to the over three years old it's Ana you can't Sayes you were not Sayes it's well known the K argued on this said that the she of is only um when the the girl is older how old old enough that she starts to have the Surah of a mature woman what age is that let's see let's see page that's this is very important you also the whole reason it's not it's only because we'll bring to hear her so therefore if a girl is so young and it's not going to create her the did not what age did they asseri says he heard from the seven however this is regarding the the uh iser of saying but regarding would say from the age of three how could you say at the age of three there's no at the age of three age starts six or seven you know in a what depends on the mitvah no you have to have Das you know it's very interesting because according to the the might say the covering a girl from three and up is not you don't have a maybe you don't maybe you don't have a mitah until six or seven but it's so therefore you have to be from three and up says no it's not and therefore there's no problem but there is a now the says we are not from three and up even Ur are lenient okay SOA there is what to rely on um not to if you have a a kid in your house who's not your own daughter who's over three and is not properly clad but I will tell you that it's not right to bring a kid a girl to sh into a men's section from three and up if her arms and knees are not covered it's not right to other people there is a Misha the Mish says that it's um you shouldn't say there are people who are and you don't have a right to impose uh to impose on other people who want to be zah but for a person themselves there's what to rely on up to the age of seven okay let's let's continue on over here sorry I know it's late the question is what if you did say opposite what would the so even you would have to repeat if you were not gazing you would not have to be to go back and to say the sh by another woman in other words let's say there's a woman at your table and you were making KES and she had and you you were sort of minding your own business you weren't gazing so you're not allowed to read you wouldn't have to repeat so okay now the some say that's only but everyone would agree that the that even less than that only and therefore closing your eyes will help where closing your eyes will help whether she's single or if she's married okay we'll hold it over here we'll pick it up tomorrow okay have a good day everyone yeah ctive you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com