Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 55 Seif 2-3 Can a Katan Holding a Torah Be the Tenth For A Minyin

okay good morning everyone shabas we're continuing in M we're learning andem part of some allow the recitation of you have nine and you join a and you join in a who's older than six and he knows who you're daving to there is such an opinion who in the name of and the name of and the however in my opinion excuse me do not accept uh this view who are these the rash the smim the SM in name of Raa and the chaj name of the rid and the rambam they don't accept this but there is such a actually um my grandparents when they move to Flatbush they move to a block Avenue L East 9th and on the corner is one of the most well-known minion factories in uh the whole world and that's now was a minion Factory back then they couldn't even make a minion on chabas so the rebba would ask my Uncle who you ding to and he would point up to the Shay and he would be to Minion Okay this is in the sh which is today Kat one of the biggest minion factories in the world back then they couldn't even get a minion on chabas anyway but uh doesn't sound like it's uh what we call Norman of you can't you can't bring in an you can't bring in an they won't join in they they won't be even if he's holding a even if it's the stone even if it's an art scroll it's still you can't be however with the is for some to be make in a pressing circumstance says why just because he's holding a that's not going to make him a man but some rely on it not like we read it not like I read it some are even without like the opinion of only one says that he never he hasn't seen that it's relied on even gives through by the way it's good to know you know you're in a sh they have a minion every day it's a not easy to get together a minion if you one day don't have a minion then people going to say well I go somewhere else you know the whole sounds like you could rely on this K of a cut over six holding aish that's what the the Mish concludes at least he says that's the Min um what kind of kishes says we're not talking about a a printed Kish we're talking about aish on not a we don't have you need to give him a safer even a pule oh it's interesting to know say you know let's say you know they having the some good and what do I need this for you know just in case what he's supposed to do now it sounds like he's got to be holding it the whole time you hear this this cut now a six-year-old not going to be so easy for him to hold uh a safer I wonder could he hold a clap of a navi sounds like no that's not a that's not what it says anyway SOA says that you put the you put the sa on the on the table and Theon should hold during the very interesting says when the is theion Sil he should wait for the to finish their silent and then D out loud why because if he's going to according to the opinion that a is not it's going to be a says so it's very nice so that's that everyone else can answer aain okay so big deal so you know so it's not a minion so you said the word aain you're still I mean you're still verifying the braa but but to say based on the you can't do that what about the says since this is a very questionable leniency and they're not very pleased with this so even only follow what the is for example for ding not we never heard such a that you could rely on a says no we're about to make a let's say you want to get called up for alah we know you could make you know you want can make but what about what about making A's logic that the should not say the apply to making a I don't know doesn't say it okay very interesting v um so the M sh started off by saying not even to what if you're going to lose the minion says that's what the is talking about that's the we're talking about and the says many again the Miss said earlier again that we do what I was once in AIA many many years ago they gave the cotton right wow look nowadays you know people live in very developed uh communities but I've been in uh I mean I I was a r once in a place where there were times that getting a minion was very difficult people used to joke with me there was a bus stop and um I would randomly ask people if they're Jewish and they would say yeah I would shop the guy in people would ask me if I was myy or them on the way down into the sh one time there was somebody who was um he was a uh African-American and I still asked and he gred it was Jewish he was he was anyway um that's the story what what wasino AC the and the goino out oh yeah that's that's the best place okay so is not any that has to mourn for a mess even though it's not his responsibility to bury the mess let's see he does he's not he's not an air you can't join him in even if he has oh actually even if he has people to help him unless he gave it to the people carrying it on the shoulders so I wonder if where there's aad whether to minion I thought we said that even though B there's kadisha it's on the mind of the whatever there other responsibilities besides burial let's say hpid the whole Arrangements I I thought is you know they they have a sh let's say an O let's say someone's o now he's on the plane so is he you should say why would he well he can't do any on the on the plane but I would have thought but he's he's still busy being and so forth I would think he's still po okay when we get to in another and you found out before the burial of you have someone to help you out that if you want to say he would join in a minion the brings the to aely a who did not bring two hairs even if he's 14 years old until the majority of his years have passed and we know the person he's an he's impotent and he's not a if we see signs of being a before the is like now this is a very surprising because the seems to be saying you need for a minion we would on that once once 13 years come we could assume he has two he says like we just mentioned we're not we don't really pay attention to the hairs once he reaches 13 years old we consider him a and we say he probably brought the two hairs a little bit more in the miss other places on the body meaning he doesn't have to doesn't da have to be Mak even if it's too ha on the beard the points out that later on the say looking and there the like the ra that it has to be and the other only brings here the Miss is coming out that the two hairs could be anywhere a kid who brings two hairs he becomes from the day that he brought the hairs not retroactively we don't need all we need is Just One Day More than 35 years can you imagine this somebody doesn't bring two hairs according to the then you could join him up in a minion when he reaches 35 years old the guy could drink alcohol he could drive a car he can't be part of a minion when he reaches 35 it becomes clear this is interesting when someone brings two hairs you do not ret actively become a Gada when someone does not bring two hairs and they reach 35 and it shows then they do become retroactively um a god even one of the signs would help to render him unless he brings two hairs on the beard then you're going to have to need you're going to need more okay we're going to hold it over here we'll pick it up on Monday regular uh time regular schedule next week okay be Cas everyone what's the lus of theing is it [Music] like good question I don't know very interestingly in my brother sh they had a minute to put the Safeway before they started B the p with the bags and my brother was bothered by it because it's always been the minut of clol for years and years and years that they used to throw the bag before they put thefe away and he found them a car I forgot where he told me and the reason why you're supposed to throw the back while the is out that he should be holding on to the understanding that that's the only place that he would be saved in life it's just holding on to the terror I don't know just it was interesting very good yeah okay everyone chabis [Music] chabis