MB DH Siman 109 Seif 1 The Responses You Must Wait For If You Start Shemone Esrei After the Tzibbur

okay good morning everyone good to see everybody back we're continuing we are learning Sim we began it last time we're in Miss if I'm not mistaken Let's uh let's read the again how could conduct himself to direct his with the someone who entered the and he sees the is already daving if he could start and finish before the shots gets to kades or even to kades but he has to able to finish in time to answer kadus answer Kadesh or the the same would be that he needs to be able to say and the of sh the ofes and the of sh have a din of Kadesh and have a din of kadus now uh so so the issue here is you're going to you're going to be entering tavin and the problem is you're coming late and because you're coming late you're going to miss the ability to answer kades the so which we read last time I just want to refresh my memory and your memory what is the issue of coming late over here what are we afraid is it that we're afraid you're going to miss answering K Al says that if you want to go and dve in in the AAR that would be okay so that sounds like the issue is not missing the issue is somehow you being involved in your doing while they're saying kades and Kad because why would it be okay if why would it be okay to DAV outside um so the asks it's a because he's to hear kades so explains you have to say we're talking about you have a therefore we allow you to go out if you would stay in the B even if he had a you would not be able to walk out on Kadesh and kadus in other words the guy is in a rush he came late and he has to leave early it's always the guy by the way it's always the guy who comes late has to leave early you know they go together somehow the guy who has to leave early he's the guy who comes late also but anyway the guy has to leave early he cannot leave early once he's in the sh and walk out on kades and kadus so so this guy who's coming late and he has to go if he wants he could DAV an outside okay um the says this whole is talking about because you can't just walk in and Skip to uh you you have to say minimum but or the case could be Shak and you already said what you needed to say now the the be in the first be has a suff very interesting suff a guy who and he will not be able to finish to answer Kad is he even allowed to start the brings the and says yeah you could but the is whether you DAV if you're going to miss Kadesh and kadus and don't bring AA from here that you're not allowed to because here since this is not a full-fledged because you didn't start together with them like the P says but maybe if you start together with them since now you have and to answer Kad you don't have right now so the fact that later on you won't be able to answer uh that won't be a problem and then also you'll be an onus and also I would answer I would say also you do have the option of being silent and doing it through I if you come late you also have the option of being silent and answering through but at least if you start with them you get a full-fledged okay so we're in middle of the M began with the question that if you have to finish your before Kad certainly you're going to hear kades after sh so he says either we're talking about Mar where there's no kadus or let's say we're talking about we already heard kadus but you need to hear Kadesh okay um so therefore you need to finish the before thees after meaning finish before the get and in that case in other words if you're going to finish right when the gets to don't answer just say because you didn't hear the first part of Kadesh so their aain would be an okay we're on the second to last narrow line that's we're up to everything we just did until now was intro okay is greater than kadus I think if you ask people what's greater or kadus if they stop and think for a moment they might know is greater but most people still think that K is greater than which is not the case therefore if you come to close to if you wait until after you're going to miss kades and you can't wait so long meaning you have a choice you can either start now and get or start after Kadesh and not get is going to pass so it's either you get kadus in other words here's the case you come NE close to kadus if you wait till after kadus then you're going to miss Kadesh and to wait wait after Kadesh you can't do it you're going to miss this man better so in other words whenever you have a choice I answer is better to answer kades on that I would just ask on that think about what you're doing you're delaying doing a better Mitzvah later by answering kadus thaning the Mitzvah ofes right now I'm sorry I'm I'm delaying by now getting Kadesh later rather than doing kadus now because kades later is better than kadha now there's a famous between the is it better to do a Mitzvah right away or is it better to wait and do it better later like a classic case would be um K is it better to do it right away let's say right after the third day or is it better to do it after seven days another what's better usually we we we we we say is better in general better to do a Mitzvah right away than to do later so here the is saying better to do kadus later than to do Kadesh right now I'm sorry better to do kades later than kadha right now why why don't we say the the the kadha you never know you might not be around in a few minutes now it's a little bit different cuz it's talking about two different mitv the general says is it better to do this Mitzvah quickly now or this Mitzvah better a little bit later here we're talking about where you have a choice between two different Mitzvah you could do K now orades later we Sayes later is better therefore if he came to sh next to kadus meaning you came to and it's almost if you start right away you won't be able to say wait after you won't be able to say with and you you can't wait until after because you're afraid the will pass by the way but if you're not afraid the will pass you have to wait to start your until after it's better to wait until after to what we're explain later on name of it's better to start with this in this case where you're coming late it would be better to start the with the equally in this way you'll have and so it's better to start with the you'll be able to get you'll be able to get is greater therefore if you came right after you're wait until after you're going to miss after kades after and if you wait until after the kades you're going to miss start right away because it's better to furthermore even if you miss you could still by Bowing in other words you could always do even if you're not going to say the word words you could always by bowing while the says is more important than daing with a minion listen to this you came toades take F if you start ding right away R so you came this is talking about matter of time you came to like this you came to of time the the is like up to if you start now but you're going to miss if you wait until after it's better to answer then to with Aion take and right after this you should DAV from now what's this talking about he just said we're talking about Marv in other words you basically came it sounds like this guy came Min time the guy came at the end of M and the theor is up to Kadesh and the ti is almost up to Kadesh and if he waits DAV after the Kadesh he's going to miss daving with the he'll even miss daving Mar with the so we say so what do you do wait until after K wait until after Kadesh the take of and right after that already started m so let's try to get this case clear here the Mish says that is greater than so you came toes which kades sounds like you you must have come to toades after and if you D in right away you're going to lose after if you wait until after then you're going to lose Mar with the what do you do better to wait till after kades and the fact that the started is not a problem let's do one more says and is like says by the there's a knowing that it's important like kades what's the that is if a person comes late and he's waiting to start to be able to answer kadus because he knows he's not to start at the expense of losing out on kadus but now if he's not be able to finish by he's not to start either but what's the of the anyway he had he had to wait to be able to say kadus so he waited a split second more to answer of since he has to finish to be able to answer so he's already available to answer says let's say he heard K already had a different minion he's not allowed to D if he's not going to finish to answer the of another is that if let's say you delay until you answered you still can't start yet until you wait a little bit more to answer that's part of the is connected to Let's you know that is going to say you didn't hear yet if you could finish before let's say like this you walk into late they're ready if you start now you know you're going to miss the that they're going to say at the end of the you're not how to start you have to wait until after the whole minion is over and they say and then you let's say like this if you know that they won't finish the you won't be able to finish your before you have to wait at if you already heard or you know you could hear it afterwards you don't have to wait so any of these responses that you wait for if you already heard them or you could hear them later you would not have to wait when it comes to even if you already heard many times why because the reason to answer is not to answer but it's so that you don't look like a that you're not bowing while they're saying the reason is so you don't look like a heretic if you don't bow down you also have to for kades because there's no end of how many Kad you should answer there's no end for how how obligatory responding to Kadesh is but it could be the from and on are not obligatory they were just added later only the only kades are the Kadesh after the before the kades after and the kades after by the way the kades after M was just deployed to get people to come to SCH early when they have yard site but that's also not all you already heard them you no longer have to to wait anymore one more um they're like no you know what we're going to do that part tomorrow okay we're up to uh the next part of the M we'll see everybody tomorrow 9:00 a.m. have a great day everyone