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MB DH Siman 108 Seif 10-11 The Landmark Machlokes Rabbeinu Yehuda & the Chachmei Provencia

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okay good morning everyone we're continuing of course we're starting okay here we go let's say you made a mistake and you [Music] because it's which one do you are you m in you're m in the first now this is a new thing because until now we had that if it's and you're ding two Mar to make up for in other words let's say you miss two you say both because hey it's so you have to say or if you missed and now you have to make it up Friday night you'll say to shabas because it's chabas but maybe you'll say if I missed shabas and I'm ding toab it's matab andab you say havah so maybe I should say havah in both now you don't have to say hav in both you only have to make one hav it's not like you say but there's no that all the you say you have to say it's just that you have to one time okay let's say I wasn't M the first one so now I'm showing that the first one was the also the second one will count why I don't why am I not enough once it has to be mentioned in every therefore it's in the previous now what if I'm not in the first and I'm ABD in the second the first one will not count why as we've learned many times you have to say the obligatory one first and by not being in the first one he is being that he daved the first one as a makeup because in the first one he didn't say therefore he has to go make up one for without what if his thought was that the first one was for I why did he say in the second one it was a mistake and he was accient or maybe he'll say the reason I was M the second was I forgot to do it in the first one so now I'm doing the second so that's okay he doesn't have to go back and if you're in both or neither you're say but if he explicitly had in mind that the first one should be for even though he didn't do anything to indicate that it would appear as that he would not be um or if he was not mdon either the reason he doesn't have to go back is because saying you don't have to go back because of lack of being mentioning you could say it now now here's an interesting what if somebody forgot to say in ding he forgot to say and he forgot and he ate before again even though that's because you could but if you ate now before hav you would have to D again if you ate which then you only have to D in the obligatory because what you blew think about it I D in the first one as a and it and it would work for a provided I don't forget an e then I di in the second one as a then I ate eating only disrupts the obligatory because at the time you were saying the I was exempt from the obligatory ding cuz I said it mean we know that we know that you can only say at the time you're saying and at the time I was saying it was effective it just afterwards I ate and I disrupted it there was a that I could have made I'm only obligated to repeat it because he ate so then the would work and he would have to again say the sorry say again what you're now to eat before abdah and if I do it ruins it's interesting that that you that saying is provided that you don't eat but if you eat then it ruins the we'll get to that when we do but that's the that is referencing yep okay if you made a mistake let's say a week two the first I'm not on the second you should do it as a I'm not sure oh this is what we call the famous and the let's think about this what did this guy do he didn't D so what do we tell him to do okay DAV a week to make up daving a week I mean he did that already the problem is he didn't DAV the shabas so the question is do we view it that well he didn't D what he's supposed to so he didn't DAV so he didn't DAV he has to D again or do we view it no he didn't say the for shabas if that's the thing well he's not doing that now so there would be no the he's not he's not gaining anything okay so says the there's here um I'm sorry when he goes back and he do again it as he doesn't have to innovate anything because what he's innovating is this way he is according to everyone and we're going to see the second case of the tomorrow let's see the there's a famous in the name this is um I don't remember the page I'm embarrassed to say brings in the name of you don't have to go back because of this you don't have to be because of this why he he just forgot and when you go back and you you don't mention shabas what are you gaining over here the sages of provance if you without mentioning it's like you at all because he didn't do it properly the conclusion of the he should go back in as because according to according to I don't have to D according to the I have to soav as a um so there's like a suff whether I have to DAV again again say yes says no so I'll DAV again as an just in deference to the I don't have to innovate anything since the there is a that I have to for reasons there's no greater thaning again to be the but I D it as an what does that mean as an says I stipulate and I say if I'm obligated to the second it should be for not whenever there's you have to again you again as provided it's really a suff not against the Rob him not you know there's one that holds after again not a a smaller opinion against a greater one whenever there's a real that would be like we said earlier in Sim that if you're if you D you DAV again and you don't have to something because the is that I'm being for sure and by the way we said in the that you're obligated to DAV again even though why might obligate it it's a suff but since there remember we saw in the that since allow you to DAV again because even though all day since I have that if I don't take it up it's like I'm okay here is a very important factor this weigh out that if you're if you or if there's a whether you have to DAV again you again as that will not work on because you can't how could you make you can't bring a car so you can't let's say you had an O and you didn't D Saturday night shabas so then in the Sunday morning you're going to D twice do you say in the second one or do you say it in the first one even if you make you don't say he doesn't know why so the there in explains like this one second let's let's finish up what would you say should you say I would say to say it in the first one because even though I missed so you say well and then in there's no D that you have to say the is you have to be as soon as you can so why should you not sayak unless they were never past I don't know the quotes the again let's finish the says he doesn't know why you shouldn't say you have to make now they're only if it's not yet time for once it's time for they weren't they didn't make a makeup for something that has rectification it cannot be made up says the dersu quoting the be explaining the who says he doesn't know his reason that according to your m in in the second one which is but rer says this is what we were saying your M only in the first one and the bris bris also says that why this is the S we said Hava is not part of Marv it's not like oh the of is you have to say AB you think you have to say because it's a it's the first after but you didn't in that first now your first is and brings from the like the says that the the why not to say is because now you're to so for example by the way let's say m shab is TSH and I'm going to be and so you're supposed to say let's say I didn't say do you say it inak according to the no because I have a with you only say because it's before Hava says if you already and you forgot to you don't say not in the first one or in the second one but if you were not like on not likeis but rather like the p and not like you're m in the and not in the first one not like I was saying so say you'd say in the first one again if you if you if you were not and the conclusion is not like that only in the okay we hold it over here have a great day have a good day everyone recording stopped