Journey to Spain 2023: Disputation at Barcelona - The Ramban's Humility Even in Debate

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay everyone hope everyone had a is having a great day I was asked to try to revisit some of the highlights of the area where the disputation at Barcelona took place for those who missed our presentation but for those who heard it already so we're just going to give you the executive recap and maybe add a very important point we mentioned the ramban was born in 1194 he passed away in 1270. in 1263 Pablo christiani submitted to King James of Aragon that he could prove from the talmud itself that the amaran believed that the Messiah had already come in other words he was going to support his beliefs in Christianity from the talmud itself as we mentioned the most venomous enemies and opponents of Judaism are always the Jewish apostates as we mentioned the greatest threat to the Jewish people are Jews not Gentiles this has been throughout our history whether it was the Messiah name in the times of Hanukkah and there are many uh examples of this whether it was the Bolsheviks you know the Bolsheviks were more successful in eradicating Judaism in 10 years than the Russian government in a hundred years and the ramban was the only one suited for this job to be able to debate Pablo christiani and the the debate took place in that Public Square where we just were in Barcelona and you can imagine King James of Aragon was sitting there and the condition was the ramban said he had to have complete freedom of speech and it was a very dangerous for the ramban to defend traditional Judaism in front of all of these monks and Cardinals and not only did the ramban do a valiant job and not only did he defend traditional Judaism but the ramban moved to the offensive he straightforwardly attacked the Trinity he said the Trinity is an insult to human intelligence said worse Christianity was hypocrisy is Christianity a religion of love and kindness from the time of Yeshua until today the world has been filled with violence and Injustice with the shedding of more blood by his followers than of any other Creed and then the ramban offered a prediction he said from the time that the Roman Empire embraced Christianity it declined and Islam spread and says ramban the more the world Embraces Christianity the more the world will decline the ramban was given no alternative he was told he has to leave garona for two years and he had a six-month grace period and the ramban did not wait within six weeks ramban left for Arizona but I want to share with you one particular attack that Pablo Christianity hurled upon the ramban and held the ramban answered it Pablo cruciani said you know I don't understand there's a prophecy in the Hamish [Music] and he said but you people think that it's fulfilled with you rabbis you rabbis don't have smiha how could you call yourself ready you don't have authentic smiha dating back to my shopping we're upon the rambana answered you are correct but it is irrelevant to our disagreement the truth is the word rebi is not a title of royalty RAV means someone who has rebe means someone who teaches Torah and then the ramban says I am neither of sovereignty nor am I a talmatite nor am I even a good student the ramban says the ramban says the reason I told that to him I said I said it out of humility and one has to ask and think to themselves humility to Pablo Christianity is that a time for anivos Pablo christiani is attacking the tenets of the religion is this a time for the ramban to downplay his worthiness is this the times to undermine his own credentials so we see like the ramban himself writes in the igeras haramban Adam with the holidays there is no individual there is no time where arrogance is called for and it you have to be struck by the extent of the humility of the ramban that here he is he's publicly debating a former a Jewish apostate and even now even at a time like this ramban is displaying exemplary humility so this is the ramban not only but banana as well in the safer habikua in his debate with Pablo Christiana you see the great extent and that is why the ramban says about the middle of an evil Shahid Elena you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com