Journey to Ramsgate - When The Rabbis of Jerusalem Wanted to Put Montefiore in Cherem

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good afternoon everyone i hope everyone had an enjoyable meaningful day so i saved the best stuff for last um [Music] certain things i had a reason why i didn't want to mention specifically at the cover uh one of them was this uh this uh the following episode uh this is recorded actually in charleston sits elias bays and rivervatio discusses the time that sir moses not the fury was put in here and as we know he loved earth israel he loved you and on one occasion he actually went up to the habias now this is something that there's a lot of misconception about it can you go to the harabach is it a humra you're not allowed to go to the harabayas according to the rama the rush agrees it's also in the sarkaris derive it is misunderstood the rivet holds it's not in a cercar race but it's still a necessary uh other we shine them are more lenient there was a custom before the rambam was codified that some people used to go but moses mounted fury did go to the harabayas and when he found that when he went the rabona of yushan found out about him rav shmoo salant um was very upset at moses not the fiori because all the hachiman told them not to go and there was a rav the son who put moses not the fury and kharam he blew the shaifar and he put moses man to fury in kheram and moses not to fury was really upset because he didn't know you're not ago you see as we mentioned before as great of a philanthropist as he was but his uh in-depth knowledge was not uh firsthand and he thought that the reason people don't go to the higher bias is because the arabs don't let them go to the harbaughs in fact in the koivets called shari ushalayim he brings that moses not to fury was the first jew from the time of the corbin bias to actually go to the haramayas so he thought the reason he's not how to go is because legally he's not ago so what did he do he paid off everybody and they said okay you could go right so he thought that if he pays off the right people he could uh he'll get in and they said sure you could go we only meant jewish people who don't pay us can't go to the harabayas so he figured he's allowed to go he didn't realize that it's halachically forbidden to go and he came to salant with such harata and regret and he was crying he said he sincerely didn't want to go and they basically rashmo salam at the end of and rabina told them don't pay attention to the rabbis that are angry at you don't pay attention to the rabbis who put you in haram don't pay attention to the boundless sibas the son his kheram is kehter standing he says don't think because the rabbis didn't put him in harem they didn't think he was wrong they thought he was wrong they held he didn't israel and explains three reasons though why he wasn't put in kheram number one says because if someone doesn't have the shay gig they don't get put in here and oymer mutter is like a shy gig someone who thinks it's permitted is like a shy gig and moses not the fury was oimer motor he thought based on has arrived there's a kula number two this is interesting the gemara amsakam remember non-gimalam bays there's a man by the name of toidos ish roymi and they wanted to put him in and they didn't because he supported tamil it says from here we see that sometimes even if someone deserves to be put on harem we will spare them the embarrassment if their financial assistance is needed is there anyone greater who support the community and more than moses not the fury and therefore that alone would be a reason why he deserved not to put in then rabbi offers a third possibility that indeference to the shita of the rivet who holds that it's not an israequares we don't have to put moses not to fury and remember prefers to say like his first approach namely that he was a shy gay he was therefore he did not deserve to be put in here however rabbi vader says i remember in my youth someone read me a book that moses not the fury never really went on the harabayas he was carried in a chair over the harabayas and even though we say that the ritzba ad hoyem is but the avira over the harabayas is not and therefore since he was carried by it was permitted and um and would come out then if you want to take a helicopter ride over the harabayas it would be permitted and that's the interesting saga of moses not to fury's trip to the harabayas and ultimately were not happy with him they were not pleased with him but he was able to escape the kheram legend has it that the next shabbos he darwin in the old city and he made a misha berecht for all the rabbanam who put him in kheram which shows his great personality that he didn't bear a grudge and chose his humility and uh in one moment we're gonna hear the grand finale story you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com