Is Gematriya a Real Method of Hermeneutical Exegesis? The Machlokes Rosh & Rabbeinu Shimshon M'Kinon

Okay. The garra in brings what the sources learns it from says no. It says 29 times. [snorts] The garra never asks why raasa why barpada doesn't learn it from the gumachia. Gumar never asked that question. The Gmorra just asked why Ra Masna doesn't learn it from the 29 mentions on the zeros. Fine this dinner of gamatria we spoke out the rush. The rash says it's a tradition that is 30 days they only leaned it on the gumatria. Gamatria is not one of thehat. [snorts] So it's not really a question. Why didn't learn it from the gamatria? I know you're talking about learn it from the gamatria. We we have uh and I and I'm not using that as it's not compelling. The rush learns gamach is not when okay Rabbi say let's start this topic with the rama said what the rama yep the rama wrote a safer toy is a perush on inyan carbonos alaba theoia of the rama okay let's start with that the rama says And is a Nuzer a good guy or a bad guy? See, on the good guy, he's a good guy or a bad guy. Is it good to be a bad? On the one hand, we call him a kadesh. On the other hand, we call him a a um a says Rama, being in a state of nazeros is not a good thing. Not to drink wine. How could that be a good thing? It's not a good thing. How you supposed to make kdesh? How you supposed to drink? How you supposed to make havdala? Wine in moderation is good. However, if a person is in a situation where his tya is pulling him and controlling his life, you need to take control back. So what you do is you take upon yourself in the zeros for an amount of time that that amount of time will ingrain within you the habit of discipline. How long does it take for a person by practicing certain uh activity for that activity to become second nature? It takes 30 days. It takes 30 days. says the if a person sees that his pulling him in a particular direction you need to separate yourself to the other extreme with great distance until they Say, "Go, go, we say to the encircle, encircle, do not approach." There's no greater than distancing yourself to the other extreme. The point is that since you were first on the extreme of immersion in ta and then and then by 30 days going to the other extreme of not going near wine when the 30 days are over you'll be able to go back to the middle path. So is a nuzzer a good guy? Yes. Is another a nuzzer a bad guy? No. What do I mean? He is a good guy when it's over. When it's over. I'll give you an example. I'm not saying who. There were once big sadikim grandparents and they would come in out of town to visit their grandchildren. And if you would ask them how was Yamtiff [snorts] when they left and they went back home, Yamtiff was unbelievable. You get the drift. while they're at the kids' house, you know, it's not always so pushed. But once they go home and they're back in their home, then the Yumpt was amazing. What's the analogy? The analogy is while the guy's in Nazir. [laughter] While the guy's in Nazir, it's a rotten state of being, not to drink wine, but that what what that does is it ingrains within him the mida of discipline. So that when he goes back when the nazer says over he's a while he's a nazer he's a when the nazir says over he's a okay you got that this is very important because we're just starting says he says why 30 days he says many people train themselves in 30 days in In order to be considered a resident in the city, you need to be in the city for 30 days. Like we say in Baba Basra, you're in the city for 30 days, you start paying the taxes. Or if a baby lives for 30 days, we say he's a bar. Why? If he's able to stick around in this world for 30 days, that means he has the he's vital enough, he has the vitality to be a he obviously has the wherewithal to endure. Like in shi we say that if you said the correct feel for 30 days, after that you could assume you said it correctly. Doing something for 30 days means you're by the way what we're learning now is what do you think is >> yeah what do you think is you get your act together 30 days you show the look you know this is I'm for real I'm for real this is not a this is not a fake this is who I am like the po can Therefore, it's 30 days says you ready for this is going to say something miraculous. Now gamatria 30 days says you think it's like a random gamatria. You know why the source of nazer sist because presently you're a you're only a in the future while you're practicing the nazir you're it's only holy when it's over. When it's over and you and you go back to drinking wine that's when you're holy. When you're not drinking wine you're a sinner. When you are drinking wine, you became holy because you're able not to drink wine. Hear that? So says listen to these words of the Rama. Ara see wonders from the main in the future. It was only enjoyable once it's over and you're not there anymore. [snorts] What about while you're a sinner? Because you went to the opposite extreme. You're a sinner. Why? And the Rama is uh discusses your question at length. What about other forms of nazerus? But while you're look just I want you to pay attention. Okay. Fine. So now that we got the philosophy of it, let's come back to what we said that gamatria is not one of. So first this comes from the safer nar. Um, Ner Aram I believe was written by maybe Rabbi Abram Zelic Cone maybe Rabbi Pesakron's brother even I'm not sure I think so okay he someone who's learning in the mir yeshiva he brings the rush who says that is only an also says but fine. However, if you look in something called Safer Hakissus, and I printed it out, but I don't see it made it to the sheets. The Safer Hakissus was written by Rab Shimshin Mikino. Yeah, I have it here. It just didn't get make it to the photo copies. It's in the he says. So he's bothered. So why didn't in one of the asks on the Bishm why didn't the brightish include gamatria he says gamatriaish doesn't daratria he doesn't darian he holds like bara that he learns and zeros from Nazer and Israel. Therefore in the brightish he doesn't list gamatria but would list gamatria. That means argues on the rush. He holds gamatria is from the not like the rush. He says why is gamatria not included? He says maybe doesn't darian gamatria he holds like bara. So we see that according to Mikino and Raasna Darian's gumria and that it's a full-fledged Russia not like the Russian the Rambam and they would say the reason why it's not in the Bishma is because uh because Gamachri is not one of the but that's not where says he says doesn't Barbada. So in the safer it asks it could have brought a toada from the Bishmada must be right that we learn it from Nazar Nazaris. Why? Because from the Bishma we see we don't dash in Gumachia. Okay. But that's not so many times we could have brought from a and we didn't. So this safer says that he brought this to us that the rush learns that even that according to Raatria is not a real li it's only and says no it's a real li says even if you hold gumria is one of the midhat like raccine mistabra you only dash in gamatria if you have a kabala from from kazal from your raim because otherwise how would you know when to dash in a gamatria meaning it's still different than the ram the rush and others the ram and the rush hold all there is a kabala kazal on their own brought up a support from a gamachria. According to Shimikino, there was a cab from Kazal to Dar the Gamachia of Yah. Okay, just pointing out there are two ways of learning this gamarra. The rush learns that [snorts] gamatria is not a serious lim. It's this is a no is one of the but said you still it's not up to any individual you need to have a it's like sha that you need to have a kabala which words uh shaba and which words gamatria so Just want to add that probably according to mik in order to dash the gumatria there must be a lot of other factors other than just the numerical value of the word. One example the Rama revealed to us namely part of the is not just the numerical value of the word yeah it's the Tory's understanding that presently the and the is going on the what will be in the future in other words it's not just the numerical value of the word it's also the meaning of the word meaning you can only denumerical value if the meaning of the word also supports what you're learning out from from the numerical value of the word. The word ya is saying that the kadusha is going on a future state not a present state. He brings that he the ram and say for [snorts] says that a person has no authority to derive any concept from a gamatria. It's a that it was given to Mosha of what to learn out from like we say. Okay. So that that's also interesting how you interpret the rush and others say it's completely there is no there's no midra involved in that in that li other say no the gamachi is also one of the okay have a good day everyone >> I was going to say another is that We don't blow scheer and kishes more than 30 times. 30 times because a person gets used to it, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Similar idea. >> Excellent. Okay. Have a good day. >> You need according to you should challenge people to do it. I mean, sorry. You should challenge people to do it for 30 days. Oh, >> if you challenge for 30 days, then it'll stick. >> Very good. Very good. >> 30-day challenge. >> Recording. >> Well, we're still recording. You got on. Okay. >> I'm ready. My daughter.