Defining Nezirus, Issur Gavra, Cheftza, or Torah Status? - Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nedarim Daf 3

progress okay good morning everyone Shalom how's everybody doing we're continuing in uh the on we're going to begin with daiml we have a very uh Beautiful s and we're going to talk about nazos what exactly is naos what is the meaning of naos is nazos is naos in to the wine or to the grape products or to B Mame is it isav is it no it's not that the wine is user to the person it's not that the grape product is user to the person it's the person is user to the wine or to the gra product is it a is it like a nether is a zer like a or is it like a or is it like neither or is it a new entity called nzas that's what we're going to discuss today the uh Essence the Mah of is Nas because the says that let's say if somebody says says or and he doesn't eat it so he's over but how do you have once you say you're AER if you eat you're over if you drink you're over but you're not over the r explains how do you have a situation where the only is that you're over is what's the G's question what do you mean maybe you're by eating greate product or drinking wine so says the the that how do we have similar to all there is is but by you're also so it's not similar to is it that you're only in a situation where you're also and the says yeah right according to the shakar of the gar is that in the question the gar is asking how do you have B alone because by alone how do you have B Alone by n and the answerers you don't have by n but the question at hand really is as follows why if why if somebody says har behold and he drinks wine why is he I understand he's he's not a drink wine because says to drink wine I understand if he's says now to become T but why are you why you I never said I'm not going to drink wine is he violating his word why is in the's the says that the says that even though you're already over you're also it's to it's to make you violate to Lavin why are you over the LA I never said I'm not going to drink wine I never said I'm not going to eat the grae product I only said that I'll be azer so I understand the T says that azer is not to drink wine great so I'll be over don't eat or don't drink because the Torah says is not to eat or drink but why am never said I'm not going to drink wine I'm not going to eat a great product that's the deal with why are you why is a who drinks wine why is he there's a very interesting we're about to see is what's in is a inav that he's now to drink wine is it like a that it's that the wine iser to him or is it a third category as we're going to see the marit will say that there's something called where there's no or no you accepted upon yourself the institution of nazos that institution has certain guidelines so it's not a it's not like it's not like a it's it's a new category ofas what now if it's a new category just of that could be the gar hav the hav of the is that if all I did was I I accepted upon myself the institution of neros I understand why you're if I eat wine if I eat a grape or drink wine I understand because the din of nazos is that I'm all to eat drink wine or or eat grape product but the G's question is but why would I be I never said I'm not going to eat wine I'm not going to eat a grape product or drink wine and maybe the G's answer is that no nazus is not a third category there is no such thing as status of nazos nazos means is s gav Ora on wine so the havina maybe is that he never um expressed in and the answer is he did is so let's see this F take a look over here in the uh sh see that okay look in the r the r was to explain that the question of how do you find that you're over Al where there's only one otherwise then it's not similar to that was and the the answered to over on to namely the is comparing them perforce in whatever way possible that's how the learns the however the says there might be another way to learn the had it not been for the ran maybe we could explain the Su as follows we brought earlier the and what is the essence of is it that the item is or is it that the person is or is it some kind of medium the opin is the is not an on the person that not it's an that the Torah places on him that he's not have he can't shave and he can't become T it's not an it's it's an the Tor is putting on him in other words he takes upon himself naos and the din ofos is he's in shaving and in t who is just a description of his just like likewise on the of the description of the these three things so so in other words the marit learns that nus is not an it's not an it's a to status that that status is one who is user in these three things that was is who eats grapes or drinks wine the is that AER that eats grapes or drinks wine he's he's only over not to eat not to drink that the tah answered him but he's not over because he never said he's not going to eat wine he's not going to drink grapes he never said it he just accepted upon himself to have the status of another and then the Tor says well if you have the status of the N then you're going to be usering these three things so you you're going to be violating you're not going to be violating that was the the was not well it's not similar to which you're only of and here you're also over other things the is is not applicable to because the guy never said he's not going to drink wine and what's the answer the answer is you got nazus wrong you don't understand what nus is nazus is not a status of kadus nazus is is or where you're saying I'm is anting I'm not going to drink wine like the Ra's answer is when somebody says I'm anzer it's like he's saying my mouth should be user to the fruit of the grape my ha is user to be shaved my hands are user to touch a because once the T these three things when you say it's like you're being that you're assing these things so in other words what we're learning is there's a three-way is it is it or is it just a status and the way the sh learns is that's the of the the is that nazos is a Torah status and he never said he's not going to drink wine so he's not over about Y and the answer is no nados is akin to because since that is the status that becomes what you're saying now in general in the laws of Shakara it's never good to have the gamar going back and forth about such a basic question of what nazos is usually we assume both the mo in the gamar and the tart know what neros is and they're the nuda of what they're debating is usually a much finer Point than well is nerus just a Torah status or is it isra usually we say that these type of things they have them ironed out that the G is not vacillating about them if you look in the shagas in the also brings out this idea that may not apply byos because he never means don't profane your word you never said you never articulated that you're not going to have um from the say that we bring from even though when your the Zer on yourself you're not expressly saying that youer on yourself and shaving in but since the ters it on you so when you say and you know you're you're go these three things so it's like you articulated it meaning the Shag seems to be taking the side of the maharit that nus is not anav it's not an nus is a Torah status of kadus it's just that since you know that that Torah status comes with certain limitations it's like you articulated those limitations and if you violate it you're so here in the in Sim we have an interesting um he brings out these different uh positions and these different approaches in he says what is it's like your mouth is user to the wine and your ha is user to be shaven are those who hold it's like rests on the head of the person speaks at this about this at length and he says not like this opinion it's notus is in these three things this is the description of the on the identity of these three things the fact that is not have wine this is not an he created himself this is an created on this description of his and when he violates these three he's going to but says he would violate now why he's not profaning his word he never said he's not going to have wine the reason he's over is not because of the act of shaving or becoming t or drinking wine he never accepted himself in a but because the decreed that the identity of a needs to be careful from these things and he accepted to be a and when he violates one of these he's violating the tyer he's profaning his words so what the adum seems to be saying is that even in the world of the mahit similar to the shagas even though he never said explicitly that he's not going to drink wine he just created the Torah status of being a naer and someone with that status is not to drink wine but since that is the status these are the guidelines of the status and he accepted the status upon himself he is considered profaning word so I'll ask you an interesting question so so basically rabai according to theu the gar might not be vacillating back and forth where in the hav thear thought the marid is right that nazos is a Torah status and the answer is no it's n the gar is sticking maybe in the answer that it's a Torah status but since that status has these guidelines it's like he articulated them so I want to share with you a very interesting sh let's say a guy says right we know we we discussed in the gamar let's say a guy says amazer from grape seed or I'm AER from grape skin so there's an opinion that that's a that he's a yeah remember that Al that there's an opinion that if somebody said I'm just a nozer for one type of great P product he's a nozer for everything question would he be violating B if another if somebody says I'm anzer from grape skin but he never said I'm azer from grape seed now we hold if he takes on Zer from one thing he's another for everything would he violate Bal if he had grape skin after all he never said he's a nozer from grap skin so would he violate that's a very interesting would he violate B he never said it but the status is there so the says even though Theus is for everything he's not over because he never accepted the laws of neros for other gray products the tah may have placed it on him but he never said it that's the so the styler says not so fast according to the marit he never says that he's not going to have great product but since those are the parameters of being in ner when he says I'm azer that's akin to saying I'm not going to have any greate product and he would be violating by when he has any greate product so too says the stier even though he never said I'm not going to have grape skin he just said I'm not going to have grape seed if the law is when you say I'm not going to have grape seed you're not to have grape skin then saying I'm not going to have grape seed is akin to saying I'm not going to have grape seed and if I have grape uh if I have grape skin or or the other type I will be violating so in the world of the marit the the gar has to be saying that even though you did not enunciate the prohibition to Wine but it's as if you did because by accepting upon yourself the guidelines of neros you are now limited by you are now limited by um all the guidelines of Naas okay so that's Su number one so we we've learned that there basically three ways to look at or it's a Torah status that comes with the Torah placed on you and if you learn like that the's answer's was very strong that's why the maybe you're not over and that even though you didn't say it you would still be and this of the of somebody who said I'm only a nozer from one type the is it's in only if you explicitly violate what you said or he says since you're a nuer even though you didn't say it it's like you said it okay so that's uh topic number one recording stopped