Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 38b

This Torah class is brought to you by tora anytime.com. >> Okay, good evening dear friends. We're continuing in lammed. We begin to lion when somebody is user to receive from someone else or to give han to someone else. You're allowed meaning the is permitted to feed his wife and his children even though the father the husband the husband and the father is obligated to support them. So you would think how can the manad how can the manad feed them but he's giving hana to the person who he's not give hana to. So this the mission says you're allowed to because basically it's like paying off a debt. So whatever benefit you're giving to the husband or the father is so to speak roundabout. But you can't feed his animal whether it's not kosher or if it's kosher. You could feed a non-coosher animal but you can't feed a kosher animal. Now what's the difference? Why would the Tanakama says you can't feed either kind of animal and Rebel holds you could feed a trafe animal, you can't feed a kosher animal? Well, what's the difference between a trafe animal and a kosher animal said, "Why do you differentiate?" We say you can't feed either. We say you can't feed either because when you feed someone else's animal, you make the animal bigger and more valuable. But why do you say that you could feed a trafe animal but not a kosher animal? So bless said back a kosher animal its soul it's its spirit belongs to heaven. What does it mean belongs to heaven? That means heaven doesn't allow you to eat it. But but the body belongs to him. What does that mean? When the animal is alive, you can't eat it. But when the animal is dead, you are allowed to eat it. So you can't feed the guy's kosher animal because you own when when it's when it has spirit. When the animal is alive, heaven prevents you, procludes you from eating it. But the body of the animal when it dies, you are allowed to eat. So you're benefiting the owner by feeding the animal because the owner owns the body of the animal. But a non-cooser animal non-coosher animal it's soul meaning when it's when it's alive and when it's dead shayim the heaven does not allow you to eat. You see a kosher animal when it's alive you can't eat it when it's not alive and you eat the body that belongs to you. So you're benefit you're giving benefit to the person who you made a nether not to benefit as opposed to a non-coosher animal where you're procluded from eating it while it's alive and while it's dead. So you're not benefiting the owner at all. So the back even the non-coosher animal to eat it while it's alive, you can't eat it. But the body does does go to the owner. Why? Why does the body go to its the owner? Because when it's dead cuz you could sell it to they could eat it and or you could sell it for dogs to eat and if it's fatter it's more valuable. So the say you can't feed if you made a nether not to give somebody hana you can't feed their animal if it's tra as well. Why? because you're making it more valuable. Rebelar says that you can't feed a kosher animal because a kosher animal it's more valuable because it could be eaten. But the but in other words, the tanakama says you can't feed either kind of animal. Say you can't feed either kind of animal because you're making either animal more valuable. True, while they're alive, you can't eat either, but while they're dead, you could either eat or sell either. Revelar is of the opinion that you can feed a you can feed a kosher animal because that makes it more valuable. A non-coosher animal which cannot be eaten, you're not making it go up in value in a significant way. So now let's see the ran on the Mishna. The ran says the you can't feed his animal because you're actually giving him you're making him more valuable. You could feed a non-coosher animal. as will explain since the one who's also is not going to eat it. He's not getting through the food of the one who made the body belongs to him. What does that mean? Therefore, if you fatten it, you're benefiting him. Am its soul and its body belong to heaven. There's no and it comes out. You're not and being the animal because there's no way to eat it. But to which the say back no it's not true. say back. They do eat it when it's fattened. They buy it for more money or they feed it to the dogs and it comes out that your by fattening it. Okay. says the name of if you are user to get h from your friend if you have a you're not going to get h from your friend you could marry to him his daughter. So we don't quite know who could marry their daughter to whom asked on this what's the case if the property of the father of the girl is to the if the property in other words if thean is the subject of the ne The is the subject of the and the of the father of the kala are user to thean. So really the father-in-law could marry off his daughter to the but the get hana and he's certainly getting hah because presumably if the father is marrying off his daughter the father must be kana by him giving him his daughter he's giving him a so that's for sure to give your young daughter in marriage to someone it's like giving him a shifa but he's He's he's a subject of the nether. So the case must be must be the property of the isser to the father of the kala. And yet the father of the kala is allowed to marry off his daughter to the even though now that he's marrying off his daughter to this guy. Now the father no longer has to support his daughter and the is supporting the daughter. So you would think if the property of the isser to the father the kala the is being mahana the kala. So Gamarra says in other words and that would that would be the kadosh the is that even though the property of the isser to the father-in-law the father-in-law could marry off his daughter even though he's gaining from this prospective son-in-law but the gar says that's not it's obvious we say even greater than this of the is that someone who makes a nether is even allowed to in our Mishna we learned could feed the the wife if I'm if you're not to get hana from me I'm allowed to feed your wife I'm allowed to feed your children and I have no responsibility to feed them it's totally your responsibility to feed them and yet the Mishna says that if I cannot give you hano I'm allowed to feed your wife and children so if I'm even allowed to feed your wife and children that I'm not responsible to feed. Certainly, if I marry your daughter, I could feed her and that's not cool. Giving you I'm allowed I could feed your wife and children even though you're obligated to feed them. And you're saying that you can marry off your daughter to me. It's obvious you can marry off your daughter to me. says, "Really? We're talking about where the property of the father of the issuer to the I. How could he marry off his daughter to him? It's like he's giving her a sha." No, we're talking about where the daughter is. It's talking about where his daughter is aares. Aaras is meaning she's a she's over 12 and a half and it's with her it's with her das. So therefore it's not like the father is the one giving his daughter to this guy. She's consenting to do it. So that's not called being we learned in like this as well. If someone is from his friend, so the guy can't marry off his daughter to him. However, he could marry off his daughter who is an adult with her consent. Let's see the holy. We at first thought we're talking about where his daughter is. Say talking about where the property of the isser to the father of the is that even though his are is permitted to marry off his daughter. The kadesh is that even though my possessions are user to you, you could marry off your daughter, even though even though now I will become obligated to feed her afterwards and I'm benefiting you because until now you had to feed her. If he is able to feed his daughter while she is still in his rash, if he is able to sustain his daughter, if he meaning if the person who's now to give you hana could support his daughter while the daughter is in The person who's now to get when he's to feed her certainly he could feed her after she gets married because the person who's giving the is obligated to feed her what's if even when I can't give you h I could feed your daughter certainly when I marry your daughter now I have to feed your daughter I could feed your daughter says, "Well, we're talking about he is not the one who's giving her over elma. She's giving herself over and it's with her consent." And now the explains the word we're giving a reason for the matter. This is the reason it's with her since she's a an adult. Her father doesn't have in her when it says. So the first is that the fact that he's you can't give me hana. So how could you marry your daughter to me? The answer is you're not marrying her to me. She's doing it with her own consent or when it says with her that's excluding the Because if he made him to speak with him about that would be because he is giving him benefit. What's the ransom shot? the ransom um with her das meaning she's doing a you know what it means with her das as opposed to let's say let's say the f the the person who's not get asked the father to to ask her to marry this man so the father if he would be acting as a on behalf of the person who's get that would be a problem because then he is being mahana him by doing his okay new case new case in the we're going to learn like the here if a person makes a not to get from his son so that the son could be dedicated to tamat Look in the father made another. I'm not going to get hana from you. I'm not going to I'm not going to eat your food. I'm not going to use your clothing. I don't want any of your services. I want you to be totally free to learn Tyra. He made a nether not to get Hana from his son so that his son could be completely free to learn Tyra. So the Gmorrah says if the father made such a son could fill up a barrel a jug of water or light a candle for him. The son could roast a small fish. Why is look in the because probably from such small types of benefits that don't cause the son to lose out from learning. The father never meant to make an what's the reason the father made the nether? because he wants his son to be totally dedicated to tamatra. Okay? So things that don't really detract from the son's learning, the father never meant to. So these small things the son could do for the father. So does not get enough from his friend. his friend could pour for him the cup of peace. What is the cup of peace here in they explained the cup of mourning of the house of mourning. What does that mean? That we learned in that when somebody is they would drink many cups before the meal, during the meal, after the meal. Let's see the what's the reason for that? Is it because it's not a han or he never meant to answer this? Let's see the a little bit further in the west. They said it's the cup of the bath house. When you take a hot bath, you need to drink hot water afterwards. Otherwise, it's considered dangerous or unhealthy. These two cups, you're allowed to get Han even though you're says the round out of civility. This was the to drink these cups. This was the d to drink when you come out of the bath house. It's almost not even considered a benefit. It's just it's not a h it's not a significant h. It's more like part for the course. The only cup Yes, you're allowed to drink the cup. I could serve it to you, but it can't be my water. It can't be my wine because then you're actually being n from me. It's the service of me serving it to you. That's not considered a han. That's just a service. It has to be the cup of water or wine of the person who's now to get the benefit to just serve you in this situation alone. It's permitted similar to the other case of the where since you we allow the son to serve the father provided that it's the father's water because you never meant to ask her that. Okay. The the Gumar continues. You're not to feed his animal according to the whether kosher or not. Kosher, you're fattening the animal. Even you're fattening the animal. Now he could get more value for it. We learned in Yeshua says someone made an You're allowed to feed the person's male servants, female servants that are but you can't feed his animals kosher or non-coosher. This is going like the to feed kosher or non-coosher animals, but you could feed his servants. Even though you'll ask, you're fattening the servants. My what's the reason? The reason is very simple. your servants and your maid servants that areanite they're made. What does that mean? Rashi says they're meant for working. So if they're meant for working so then what difference does it make if they're fat or not? What difference does it make if they're fat or not? But an animal is made to be fattened because once it's if it's kosher, I could eat it. If it's not kosher, I could sell it to someone else to eat. But servants are made lean. The man kusa is for literally. Let's see how the ran translates it. The ran explains that the feeding that you could do is not the feeding the owner would have to do because then you're saving the guy money. This is going on Rebel Lazar. Let's see how the ran interprets lean. The ran in his gar is all the way at the end. What is a what is a servant um designated for? They're not designated for eating. They're meant to be ripped apart. What does that mean? When a servant dies, then you just I'm sorry. According to the says they're just left. Nobody's going to eat them. Meaning of what relevance is it to fatten them. Fattening them is completely irrelevant. Nobody eats them and therefore there's no benefit accuratening them. The other gera of the raan is lman kerusa. They're meant for service. Also fattening them is of no relevance. Okay. So that concludes next week hopefully regular we could do um Monday and Tuesday night the hashem a regular time. Okay Rabbi thank you very much. Have a beautiful evening. Thank you. >> Good night. >> Good night. Good night. You've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by tora anytime.com.