Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 18a

okay good evening friends we're continuing in We Begin we are four lines from the top asked the following question we're asking a question on raun what was raun and raun the garuna said that nazer is only if you said since you're adding one day so then the whole you say and says even if you say it is is gonna ask it says says a double m from here we learn that one period of is on another period of because I would have thought as follows it's a what do you mean the tells me that one is on another I would think there's no way it's why if which is later on is going to explain how is if which is one is another certainly which is lenient one another we have if the cas is where the guy says I'm today I'm tomorrow do I need a p to tell me the second obviously the second because second nus adds one day and there's no such thing as one day of nus so it's a minimum of 30 days according to that only if you say why would I need a the case must where I say and we learn that is so we see then even if you say so says no really you know what the case you know I need a of you know why I need a PK of um do you know why I need a PK of naaz I need a in order to learn out that that two simultaneously that if I say that if I say um I then they are let's see the ran the ran says um the ran says since you're adding one day for the second and whatever you counted until that day was for the first of course you have to count another 30 to which says no you know we're talking about over here that's what the comes for why would I need a for isn't it obvious to why would it be any different than someone who said I'm AER for 60 days the answer is had an op the that's what I would think you would do that if you say that if you're yourself two I would think you just count 60 days I would think that's what you do you count 60 days you don't bring two carb you bring one carbon they're two independent time periods for each 30-day period this is the correct interpretation of this teaching of the so the that if that it works the is that not that you count 60 days of course you'll count 60 days the is that you can two independent 30-day periods okay thear now continues because the started by saying that I would have made a that if which is which is which is all the so asks what's the of over if the is that saying that it has no entity to it not like uh somebody swe uh swears he's not going to sleep or he's not going to go and we know that nether is only on an actual item so in that way is more is also more than over [Music] Rus a nether is has let's say you say I this I this it's because it's it's item of a mitvah like a discretionary item as opposed to a which is not on a Mitzvah okay a is not you can't swear you're not going to do aah because you're so what is the of the of is it says by you will not be cleansed of the sin it's a very serious prohibition tell us that the whole world qud when Hashem said when hasem said don't swear falsely so that's the of AA now [Music] now there's a very interesting run here this is not a legislated run so I'm afraid to read it you know who am I to read a r that's not been legislated by daa shua but I I feel like I I earned my stripes you know at least um I think I think we could do it I have a you know I'm feeling I'm feeling brave tonight I want to take you to the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 n the ninth wide line okay because we know a nether is if somebody makes a nether they're not going to sit in a sua they're not going to take a lul love they're not in other words they Asser the Suka they Asser the matah even though they are bound to with a to eat the mat but the mat iser to them with the question the is going to discuss very interesting question is whether is either to uphold the or to go against the and then the question is could okay so we're going to see now that just like a nether so to speak obliterates a Mitzvah it could do that to a as well the says just like aah or an oath are both so if you swore you're going to let's say to eat matah you can AER the mat with or if somebody swore they're going to eat this piece of bread they can make a to to prohibit that piece of bread or if somebody swore they're going to eat a piece of bread you can make a nether to eat it so a nether could counter act another could uphold so if you swear not to eat this Kikar let's say you swear I'm not going to eat this Kikar and you assert it with a you're twice and the reason is a only goes on the gav but goes on the but then the ran says the Whopper of the century okay so we see that a could be could a let's say youer let's say let's see this inside not to counteract it and not to fulfill it if you oered on yourself a loaf okay so you made a nether you're not going to eat the loaf and then you swore to eat it of course you can't eat it or if let's say you swore not to eat it let's say you swore not to eat it and you already had a NE okay so the case is if you answered with an is to eat something then whether you swore to eat it you're not to eat it whether you swore not to eat it you're only over on I why we say just like you ready for this this is the answer is when you first make a then you know why the ne because the nether creates an so if you swore you're not going to if you swore you're going to eat something and then you make a so the but the thing is will not be you know why because once you create an on the item that then thereby goes and creates an isav that you're know how to eat it it expands to isav yes is so let's say I say this bread is to me okay so there's an to me but once there's an to me then I have an now to eat it I cannot swear both not to eat it cuz I'm already now to eat it and I can't swear to eat it because there's an iser not to eat it so a NE cannot be cannot be on a NE why not um don't so the r says don't say that just like the just like has it has as well once the item is also to you therefore there is no place for if you make a there is a for the that is if I make a all I all I the only Arena I entered is the arena ofra so now I can make another and enter the arena but if I start out with n so I started off entering the arena of but it automatically expanded tog now there's no room for to come in so therefore if I ask a Kar then I swear to eat it I can't eat it because not only is there an is not to eat it there's an is gav not to eat it or if I have a NE not to eat something and I swore not to eat it there's nothing for the to be okay so this is one of the most fundamental rounds in theak and that is even though the whole M until now we've been learning is is but that's how it starts but obviously if this item is to me and now what precludes me from eating it is has morphed into an so when I when I make a sh there's room for NE to be when I make a there's no room for to be okay so you heard it here on February 24th 202 9:35 p.m. the week of the amazing ran that even though NE is an that's only in its Origins but It ultimately becomes anab thear continues if I swear I'm not going to eat I swear I'm not going to eat and you ate you're only once said let's see what did the mishna say that was the mishna on Yan I'm only once okay says the gamar um so basically what do we saying that the second is not if you ask to the first the second one is the second one is how do I know the is you're only liable for one right it says look only for one it doesn't say there is only one it doesn't say there's only one instead teaches you're only obligated in one the only thing that's missing here is space when you're the other the first so then it devolves in other words it it could have said there's only one sh here there's only one Shu in existence here it doesn't say there's only one sh in existence it says you're only one that means really there are two and if somehow you got rid of the first one then the second one would be another another perspective over here another it says in the Mish there's no but there is an oath it's a little bit of a different di not from the fact that it doesn't say that there's only one it says it's from what it does say there's no it says you're only one but there is aing now could we prove this that really the is to some extent let's bring a proof to this says someone who made a NE of and he counted the first one carbon and he separated a carbon and then he was on the first he counts this the second one is count in his observing of the first so what do we see from here when he originally made the neros the nazus wasn't but now once he's on it it not only is but it actually was observed so we see that it's so to speak it is a nerus now this is not exactly like the case of shua the case of shua we're saying the is there it just has no room and once you make room it's and he this case now what's the case what exactly is this case is the case where he said so is it going according to Shu or is it going to going according to according to is actually so then it would not be like according to is so are we assuming the Bryce is like rauna like and the says no you don't presumably this is going like uh rauna that is not but if you're Mas on the first one then the second one um then the second one will so the proof to ra is within the of raun and says no it's not a proof because you know we're talking about over here we're talking about where your at the same time now let's let's see the is's a very important run okay here we go the one that brings the support to perforce SKS like it has to be going that if you say that the is not on the because if it goes like then there's no proof to Shu because BYU it wasn't and yet it will be once matter the first one if it's going what's the proof to maybe here it's different when you made the they're both that's why when you're M the first one the second one could be counted When You observe the first one but you don't have a proof to to a case when you swore the second was not I will tell you that if it wasn't then it's not now so if you're going like he can prove to maybe only byus where they're both now so that's why if you're M the first one then the second one will have been counted but by where the second one wasn't maybe it's not later the the must hold like so since he holds this is what he means to say certainly this it'sing neveress true at the time you made the the second is when you're M the first one second one is now maybe you say maybe the case is maybe that's why it's so the ran says that can't be that can't be why even though earlier on the gar said the case is but right now the feels that can't be the case because then it should not be also because you'll still have one extra day that you didn't observe the and that's why it said also because when you made the second they're both then how could you say that the second will have been effective when you counter the first there's an extra day and this gar feels it's to say what the gar earlier said that uh it's talking about besides that day and ultimately the says answerers we're talking about your to simultaneously therefore when you are Mas on the first also the second one helps for the first because at the time you made the the reason is because both the were really I'll tell you since the second one is not then it's not going to be reawakened since it wasn't when you emitted it from your mouth then maybe when you m the first one it's not going to be either okay so that is the Su of and then tomorrow we begin a new by the way the pass like that even though this support has been refuted nevertheless the simple way of learning this BR does support Raa that have a great night everyone h a good night rabby good night good night I'll time