Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 15b

okay good evening friends we're continuing in we're discussing if somebody says ier to sleep today if I sleep tomorrow I as her sleep today if I sleep tomorrow what's somebody says I ask her to sleep today if I sleep tomorrow RAB Huda says in the name of RAV you can't sleep today you might sleep tomorrow RAV says I'm sorry rman says you could sleep today we're not worried you're going to sleep tomorrow rman says we're not worried you're going to not do an iser or do something to trigger an iser says yeah we're concerned you might once you so to speak did the thing that could be a violation we're afraid you might trigger the violation by fulfilling the T so we on Al brought a number of BR that seem to support R were a question RAB Huda and RAB Huda wiggled out each time by saying that it's not talking about it's not saying that you're allowed to do a and we're not concerned that you'll come to trigger it just the opposite it's saying don't do a lest you come to trigger it okay so now we're continuing in um the continuing and bringing proofs we learned inish so instead of saying you're not allowed to get from me until suus if you go to your father before PES no what you're saying is in other words until now we were saying you can't get Han enough from me until P if you go to your father until suus now we're saying you can't go to your father Until You Can't Get Enough from me until if you go to Dad before P so the is if she goes to Dad before she can't get from the husband that's that was a he said if you go before P you can't get but she's allowed to go after PES okay so it's saying if she went before PES she can't get Han until suus that was the deal however she is allowed to go after pesak because that's not the that's not the that wasn't the deal right the deal was that if you go to Dad before PES you can't get Han until Su so if she went before PES she can't get Han until but she is allowed to go after P if she already went before PES why not going after PES is not adding any prohibition okay so now we're making a if she went before P she's but if she didn't go then she's not user to get Han so in other words if she doesn't go but she didn't go before p she's allow to get Hana I why is she allow to get Hana why aren't we afraid that if she's going to have Hanah she might end up fulfilling the T and going to her father in know we're we're it's Mas like this if she went right the L of the is so if she went she's AER but if she didn't go she's not AER why she should be user to get Les she go according to let's see the r let's see what the DI is We're Not Afraid We're Not Afraid well maybe she won't remember that she violated the T and before by going if we allow her to go she'll come to in other words what's what's the case she went before P she can't get Han before suus so maybe we should say she's us her to go after pesak so she should so she'll remember that she went before pesak and she's also no no we don't say such a thing what's the di the DI is simple it says if she went before P she can't get Han that implies if she didn't go before P she could get Han but according to it's not true if she didn't go before PES and it's still before PES she should not be able to get Han because she may still go the truth is even if she didn't go before PES she can't get Han before P if she went she can't go and she get M if she um if she went before she can't get and if she did if she didn't go then she's just user to get Han okay here we go m this iser to me today if I go to let's say Gaza tomorrow I heard it's going to be really nice over there so I was thinking that uh I'm going to Asser this kear on me because I might prematurely go to Gaza before it becomes the new resort area right so the person he said I aser this keyar if I go to such and such place now what would rabuda say could you eat the kear no because you might go to that place but if he ate the he can't go to that place that implies only if you ate it you can't go to that place but if you didn't eat it you could go to that right it's that's Mas if you ate it then you can't go to that place but is it are you allowed to eat it it says if you ate it then you have a problem but why why why does it say that it should say you're not eat it why does it say if you ate it you got problems it should say you're not eat it it must be you're allowed to eat it that's the question says gamar right what's the it's Mas you're allowed to eat it let's see the r why does what's the does it say that you're allowed to eat it why does it say that when it says if you atat it it sounds like you could eat this T is very extensive in listing all the possibilities because the the continues if he went eat it it should have said you're now to eat it says does it say you could eat if you ate it if you eat it then you can't go but it's not talking about that you're allowed to eat it looking the the answer is which is you know how to eat it so now the gar continues cu the next part of the BR is if you went right if you went if you went so we say meaning you ate it and if you went what does that mean Mah let's see the Run what does it what does it mean M it doesn't say you're allowed to go to that place because think about what the guy said right if he ate it he's not allowed to go that day if he went to that if he went that day so right if he went that day so now he's over but why doesn't it say it doesn't say you're allowed to go there what does that mean let's see the ran the ran says listen carefully is right if you go you're not what does this mean it would be a separate statement would not be going on the this is what it should have taught you could go this is a case you weren't allowed to eat on the first day how could it say since you should not have eaten on the first day what does that mean it could have said boy let's see we could crack this the gar is asking it doesn't say that you're allow to go there Ruda this is a question on rabih Huda what exactly is the question let's see one more time in the r if you go you're it does not say you could go if is correct it should say if you go you're not over why it would be a separate statement would not be going on Thea see the Raa would be complaining if it's if you went you're over then it should say you're allowed to go why because presumably you didn't eat it what does this mean not going on the you weren't allowed to eat it on day one how could it say if you went is gonna answer since it said can't say if it would have picked its word by itself have a it would have said you could go that's why it didn't say you could go and you're not over because if it would have said that it would that even though you ate on the first day you could go on the second day and there's no I would have explained the whole like this sometimes if you eat you can't go on the second day how if you ate it intentionally let's you remembered that the iser of going is dependent on your right this is talking about a guy who said this Kikar is user today if I go to such and such place so in a case where if I eat and sometimes if I eat I'm not let to go when when I ate intentionally knowing that if I eat I'm I'm curring iner too but sometimes in other words the guy said if I eat this Kar I'm not to go to Gaza so if when he ate the kyar he was cognizant that eating this kyar means he's not all to go to Gaza then he's not to go to Gaza but what if at the time that he ate the Kikar he totally forgot that eating the Kikar means he can't go to Gaza he that would be called nid that would be called making a NE the where at the time he made the ne at the time he violated the Nar he said if I uh eat this thing today I I can't go to uh if I eat this keyar is user to me today if I go to Gaza tomorrow if at the time he ate the keyar he totally forgot he can't go to Gaza tomorrow it's not he's allowed to go why okay let's the sometimes even though he ate on the first day he's allowed to go on the second day if on the first day he ate the food forgetting about the fact that eating the food means he can't go to Gaza I'm shy in such a case you're allowed to go on the second day now there's a rule that if somebody says that if I go to Gaza today I am user to go to eat to eat um this Kikar tomorrow and if he forgets at the time he went to Gaza that's for sure n if you V if you fulfill the that's for sure but here he's not violating the he's forgetting at the time he's eating the r says that's also so what exactly is the G's what exactly is the G's question thear says if he went right he says if I go this ke iser to me if I go to such and such place so the beginning of the is if he ate he can't but that that's masma he's not allow to eat I'm sorry that's masma if he ate he can't go to that place but he's allowed to eat so says no really he's not to eat it just says he ate fine then the says if he went he's over assuming that he already ate but what doesn't it say right let's try to what the what the Kasha was it doesn't say m it doesn't say he's allowed to go the next day now are is he allowed to go the next day he is allowed to go if he didn't eat on day one so why does it say why does it why doesn't it say he could go this the next day if rabuda is right think listen carefully if rabuda is right that you're not allowed to eat it on the first day so why don't we assume the cases he didn't eat it and it says Mah and it should therefore say Mahal he's allow to go must be it doesn't say you're allowed to go because you're allow to eat on the first day so we assume he did and therefore you're not all to go so it's a KAS rabih Huda mean if rabih Huda is right it should have said you could go on the second day because you didn't eat on the first day it's a because that's the of course you can go on the second day what are you teaching me then it should have it should have said but it's by saying you're allowed to go on the second day what it would be saying is you were allowed to eat on the first day it's not teaching you're allow to go on the second day once you eat on the first day it's teaching you're allow to eat on the first day that's what it would be teaching the second day if I didn't eat on the first day that's my No in other words the fact if it would say you're last to go what it would be teaching me is I'm allow to eat on the first day I'm sorry if it if it would say I'm allowed to go will be teaching me I'm not allowed to eat on the first day like RAB but it didn't teach me that it must be because I'm not to eat on the first day and therefore I'm sorry it must be I'm allow to eat on the first day and therefore I can't go on the second day what the gamar is asking is if rud does correct that I'm not allowed to eat on the first day why wouldn't the Bry say I could go on the second day why wouldn't the Bry assume if R is correct that I didn't eat on day one and therefore I could go on day two must be because I'm allowed to eat on day one and therefore I'm not to go on day two that's a so what's the saying right it should it could have said that it could have said I'm allowed to go cuz I didn't eat on day one but since the said cuz it can't say I'm allow to eat so the said what Why didn't it say what why can't why why can't it say why can't it say allow according to you that you're not allowed to so let's see what is the ran saying the ran is saying let's try that one more time sorry let's see if we could crack this you see where it says that meaning if you go and what would what would it be saying it would be a separate statement it would not be going on the this is probably the situation e on day one how could it and say if you went right it says what you mean what it should say is you're allowed to [Music] go I mean the question on rabih Huda is what do you mean but it should say you're allowed to go because you probably didn't eat on day one says you went um that means you're assuming that he ate on day one you're assuming he ate on day one but rabud why would you assume that so what's that right so so it should say you're allowed to go on day two because probably you didn't eat on day one not allowed right since according to you're not allowed to it should say you are allowed to go on day two but the fact that it says that it's assuming you did eat on day one right and now now I would say well that's because we're going on the case of Thea where you ate that's right it would have said I could go but the said past tense because it can't say I could eat so the sa also said past tense if it would be a separate statement it would say but because it said and it can't say so therefore it didn't say mAh cuz now why the would say that even though you ate on day one you could go on day two and there's no B the re in other words since in the it had to say it can't say therefore it didn't say cuz why not so I would have said well because then it's not parallel but then the r says if it would have said that even though you ate on day one you could go on day two now how would that make any sense now there's where the Run sticks in this that sometimes when you eat on day one you're over when is that if you eat B and sometimes if you ate on day one you're not over if you what does it mean if you forgot when you said I am user on this key card today if I go to such and such place tomorrow if when you ate the keyar you forgot about that then you'd be allowed to go to that place tomorrow how is it masma says that if said even if you why would that be Mas on that be see I would have said I I would have just stopped by saying since the Ria had a say past tense the sa wanted to be parallel and say past tense but thean doesn't want to say that thean says since the Raa said past tense if you if it would say Mah you would make a mistake and think it's Mahal even when it's it's going on the case of the even when it's you could still go and how would that be true in a situation where you ate you hear how the round is learning sorry I had to read a couple times here but see I would have the simple way of learning if we didn't have the ran by the way I just want to say that we're learning no question we're learning in on a higher level than we did y andus simply because of the ran because you can't the sh the level of shakar that the r brings to the table is a complete it's like you learned like to and the mar different that's the r implicitly in other words if I would have taught this gar right and I'm not learning I would have just said the said the has to say but the truth is it could have said Mah but the r sticks out his neck and he says it could not have said Mahal because you would have thought the case of is even in a case of where it was previously and how would such a thing be the says that there's a difference between and the says that if you ate not actively knowing about the fact I'm sorry if you ate forgetting about the fact that you made the N there then you could go to Gaza the next day after all it's an international place it's an International Community why not you're a citizen of the United States there's no reason why you can't go there they have sovereignty over it so okay um yeah that's that's how the ran learns the gar very very interestingly in other words the ran doesn't learn symmetrical it's not oh the said so the had to say it's the said so if would say you would think it's going on the cas so therefore it says so that what if you went you're over when in what case why why are you over in other words what's the reason why if it's h you're what would rud say if he went he's in a case where you you previously ate so holl if he went his when in the case of but if it would say he could go then you still might make a mistake and think it's talking about where you you ate previously okay let's let's see the nextar somebody says to a woman a man says to the wife I make a that I'm not going to have relations with you you're so the question is he's to her so what do you mean you're but why is the in other words why in the world is a he's to her her clothing her her food cusa her clothinga and her times you can't take away from her a man is mid to have relations with his wife by the way this is very interesting nowhere in the Torah does it say that a husband has to have marital relations with his wife it says that if he marries an of Ria in addition to his wife he can't take away from the of Ria and we make if even a woman who you take in excess to your wife who you're not fully it's not a regular marriage you can't take you can't diminish certainly to your own wife so question is asks abha he says but we say in that a is K and it it's stronger than a shib that's a big question here anyway thear says no you know how he's able to make this NE he circumvents the sh how does he circumvent the she where he says I answer the of your if I say I answer my Hanah to you I say you can't get Hanah from me I can't do that I have to give you the but I could say okay I'm not offering you to get her enough from me I'm offing me to get her enough from you so now the the is because it circumvents the I'm to give you but I'm answering me to get from you and therefore what so in this case he's saying he's not pleased with t in other words he's not able to do it if the husband we force him to have relations because he's he's not allowed to if he you're Tash to me he can't get Han because she's not allowed to live with him now you hear this if he says your is to me she can't live with him CU her living with him she's being so if he says I'm not I'm asking my on you can't do that but if he says I can't get her enough from you so now she can't live with him yes he's M and he has to have relations with her but she can't have relations with him because he's being M her this might depend on Theus we spoke out yesterday if I say that you can't get Hana from from me and you get Hanah am I getting the lashes or are you getting the lashes thean says if I say you can't get Ana you can't get not I'm answering you you're not allowed to do it or the Rah says no I'm saying I can't give you Han I'm not allowed to give you Hanah I'm the one who gets the Lash I'm not to give you Hanah I'm violated when you get Hanah I'm violating it so the question is if I say that I can't get Han enough from you so then maybe you can't she can't live with him she is causing him to get Hana says the an oath that I'm not going to sleep I'm not going to speak I'm not going to walk user he's user now it's interesting because of the previous miss or I ask her all of these cases the the ne is the ne here it's a but he it doesn't say a case why because by it's heers himself from getting Hanah but so therefore it's but he can't swear he's not going to have relations with her he's M to have relations with her furthermore he's he's swearing he already swore he's going to keep the so the is not you can't swear to violate an a says that's why this Mish does not list the case of Caron of what I'm not going to eat from you okay so what I'm not going to eat from you is a carbon what I'm going to eat from you is not a carbon so it's it's nothing by the life of a carbon of what I eat from you also meaningless it's not going to be a car I'm not going to eat for you m it's m but because what I am because the only reason would be is we see the m is going like re mayor okay RAB say we will hold it over here and uh have a wonderful [Music] night recording stop