Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 14a

okay good evening friends we're continuing in the Mish said the following our if you say what I eat of yours is if I say it's like the meat of a pig because it's like even though it's still you can't be that's that you cannot be or whether it's you said it should be like or that is even or like the it's okay the uh the made the following let's read again the the reason why it's m is because this is on the bottom of you said that which I eat from yours but if you say that that which I eat from your which Ison then it'ser so that implies we say who's the like if it's if it's he does not hold that from no you infer yes meaning can't be r r does not subscribe to so who's the Miss like the Miss must be like rud but that we already had that on that it says that it's like rud where they had that earlier so the says once it already said that you can't be M therefore it it said it didn't say to be that if you would have said it would not work but rather um it just said it says of the first par that's called the so the ran says something interesting here the ran says this is what the means to say if this Mish was going like we would never ask oh it's because what we said earlier is and what we said earlier was and here this Mish could even go like R who does not subscribe to here since he said not meaning maybe the earlier mishna would be only like rabih Huda because maybe rabih Huda is the only one who subscribes to when it's some type of not such a clear let's say you say but if you would say then maybe evenor subscribes to it but now what the saying is you can't say this because he does not subscribe to even in such a scenario ra would not even subscribe to an explicit even if you say he still would not subscribe to he should matter it so who's the T of the mishna if it's RAB Huda we already had Rab huda's in and if it's ra but ra does not subscribe under any circumstance to M says the gamar Rina so it's ID says it's not for the teaching itself it's it's not to teach that if you say not to be that uh that if you sayb would be but rather it's aav the other cases that are mentioned okay the gar continues Rina says this is what theion means to say the following are that means means you don't even need a and they are meaning the reason why it says it's if you say that if it's it's m now the reason why it says in here is so that you know that all the other cases not only is the even now you don't need any at all so says like if you say that it's completely you don't need at all I'm sorry and if we would not have said the case of you would have thought you do need would any body really think this the fact that the sa of the M said that if you tell your wife you are like your user to me like my mother so the even though it's not you have to be from elsewhere but you need some form of so if in the it says that implies in the you do not need to be you don't need at all so don't say the reason why it said in the Mish is to teach that you don't need it's p you don't need because only in the where it mentions that only there you need but I never would have thought in the but it's clear like in the first answer that it just said it says um okay so thear continues from where do we know the Mna says that if you say that you can't be only where do we learn this from the PK says a man who makes a vow to Hashem is from there we learn until you make with another so says that's what I learned from because if that's the case we should include even a because the next words are you should be able to make because says so even if you made says no teaches me something else I need it for that which we learned in the what's the that's mentioned in the T because we learned earlier on let's see where we learned earlier that how do I know you can make a let's say I say um I this day so even though you were the one who answer that day if you say Z it'ser how do I know if you are mat in another entity or another day that you assed and that first day that you answered was not user to anyone else other than yourself so it's not like you're manifested in a carbon you were manifested in something that only you were how do I know that's effective so that I learned from but I'm sorry that I learned from that I learned from okay fine the ran says so how do I know if it's not okay so here's the r classic ran the breaks down the the and the the supposition of is and it's coming to teach that the fact that you could do that doesn't need a when I say this Kikar iser have so you made an I need a p to say I could say it's if I say I'm also making an it's not worse than a I need a that you could be if I could say and that's then of course I could say I mean even if I'm not AB outright saying that it's that I'm making a nether but it's at least a yach for a NE so I don't need a that you know what the is teaching not that you could be that you can't be that was the that it's coming to say you could only be M with for with another from another but not that I need a PK for that it's to exclude that you can't be M from why it say each one is needed l meaning you must have made a mistake maybe it's not you you could be M less are um Lind teaches and says I don't need a that you can be M another must be we were wrong must be you do need a not to come to exclude it's so that you don't come to think that doesn't work so the merciful one wrote These two to teach that if it's and each one is otherwise what are we going to do with that's the and the says no I need to teach me that you could be that I'm the only one who that original was answers is needed for that which we learned in since it's possible to establish for that so therefore we could go back and say our original supposition was correct that Lind is to teach that you cannot be that's what it's established for now here's the r of the century because this is the ran that we read on Sunday which is a to the r in I highly recommend that I think last week's was the most important Ian show we had so on on Nadar really really beautiful stuff but we read this run so you're you're going to get a good foundation now what now the says why could you be M and says very simple I'll say it outside first because what am I saying I said I want to create an is on this piece of meat just like that piece of pig we just like that piece of pig that piece of pig is not user through a NE it's the Ted it your statement is meaningless if I say I want to Asser this piece like the piece of pig that's a meaningless statement the piece of pig you didn't answer how could say how could you say you want to answerer this like that you didn't answer that but if you say I want to answer this like that other piece of meat that you answerer through another that makes sense you could say this the carbon I think it should say k carbon like a carbon that became you said nothing what you say I want this to be like a piece of pig the only thing is pal you didn't answer Pig God answered the pig like that's meaningless and we pointed out on Sunday This Is AO to the the says the reason why you can only be mest is the way learns it's it's K you're continuing you're drawing Kad so if the other item was a carbon you're drawing from the car the other item but the other item is a is there's no K what exactly you drawing you're drawing iser you can't draw iser is like a Hees you could you could pull it you could draw it and thear answers that I need it need to teach like we learned earlier that what's the is is talking about if I say that um even though you're hinging your on a that only was to him that is the day that your father died had it not been for this I would have thought until you make a in something which is that it's to everyone you would think you could only be in a that's user to everyone not in a NE that's only user to you next one who says to his wife you're user to me like my mother which just St my personal advice is not to say that but that's what the guy did ask right so the Miss says if somebody says you are to me like my mother so the seems to be somewhat and you need you need to you can't just indiscriminately matter you need to come up with a okay so says the we learned in if you say to your wife you're user to me like the Flesh of My mother like the Flesh of My sister you said nothing so you see it's not at all you don't even have to be now really the nether is meaningless why is it meaningless because your your mother iser to you just as an your sister's to you as an on you need Hat's answer's answer is the is not it's only says look it's not even when the says in other words we have a problem the Mish says you need the says so said you need doesn't buy that if it says it means it's nothing even on a rabic level so what does r say really it's not even on level the says you need it's talking about an why in cuz in this case look you are m everybody knows is nothing even know that if says it's meaningless you don't even need even doesn't need but when he's dealing with his wife where it's very common for one spouse to just blurt out some kind of oh yeah you're user to me so then an even though by L by you don't need any but we have to protect the indiscriminate NAD Nadar making and therefore needsa and the gar is going to bring that am are treated differently from a different case where they across the board and will always need even not by a wife because in this case it's not so P that the nether not and the we learned in usually is a question hereat is a proof it's what we call learned if you make a by the you didn't say anything now why not even though you didn't say anything you still need a doesn't need a because really it's a but it's a very subtle and therefore will always need let's just see the final since it says like we pointed out it's you don't need at all even it's going on even though you need it okay we'll hold over here tomorrow we hope regular time 9:15 okay everyone have a great night recording stopped