Daf Hashavua - Nazir 9a

progress. >> Okay, we are we are continuing in the second perk of Nazer Perak Bessa peressa. Let me just Okay, here we go. So the mission says harini somebody says I'm a nazer from dried figs from oppressed cake of figs. Seemingly this statement has no meaning whatsoever. What what in the world does it mean that I'm a nauseir from dried figs or from pressed figs? You can't be a nazir from dried figs or pressed figs. You can only be a nazir from grapes or wine. So how exactly do we interpret this statement? So says you're a nazer. You're aer. It's a real statement. The statement has meaning. How does it have uh how does it have meaning? It's a statement of nazeros. Now he's going to be allowed to eat figs, but he is a nazer says he's not a nazer. And basically this statement is completing completely meaningless. Not only not only um are you not a ner, not only do you are you allowed to eat dried figs, you're also not a rabbi says. So that's the first uh explanation or presentation of the somebody says a very interesting phrase. So B says you're say you're not even when B said they only said it when you said behold upon me a carbon. Even when Bame said that if you say harini that you're a nazer, they only said it if you said behold they are upon me like a carbon. Um which means that bas that rahuda is explaining b shama that you're not actually a nazer but you're assering figs on yourself. So has a completely turns the whole thing on its head. Bas the simple understanding of B is a statement of Nazirus and will throw out when you made a reference to figs. Rabuda said no B only meant where you said they are upon me like a carbon. So in that situation um you're user in figs but you are not a nazer but you're not a nazer. Let's see tus. Most of the tyus on this page we do not have to do. There are a lot of tyus but we're just going to the ones that are so it's a short it will be a short page. Saysis All the laws of upon him even though he made an attempt to explain his words and he never explained anything will explain what the rationale of Even when spoke, they only said it when you said carbon argues on the Tana of the Mishna and he says that you're not actually a noer for the Nazerus. since you didn't make an from what came out of wine. You're just a from dried figs and from pressed figs as if you said they are upon me like a carbon. Okay, so we're going to have to explain the rationale of Bishami in the first version. According to the second version, Bishame only answered figs if you use the expression that I'm answering them upon me like a a carbon. Fine, says the garam. If somebody says I'm a nazir from dried figs and from pressed figs says you are the merciful one said only what comes out of the grape of the wine. Meaning why in the world is he if he explained himself that he's answering figs? Figs have nothing to do with nazeros says holds like that what holds a person doesn't make a statement for nothing. So even though he said figs but at the end of the day he made a statement. So we can't discard and dismiss that statement. Shame holds like that a person's words have meaning. In other words, we're not going to just assume that it was gibberish. A person has a person means something. By the way, to me this seems similar to what we had earlier with Rabaka. Their bik was dovaser. The Gomorrah said that where did we have that raika is do extra words that if you say extra words it has uh it has intentional meaning said on that base four lines from the bottom that is right says why is maybe the guy just saying extra words Oh, Rabbi Keva holds that if somebody speaks it has meaning. Now, Rabbi was the Rebi of Rome. So, to me there's like a similarity between being andor who says. Okay. So now the question is what does Bhill hold? Why does Bhill say that we dismiss his whole statement? Now the easy way out is maybe Rabbi Kiba doesn't hold like Ram Rabika holds a person would be Mo of maybe uh B holds Rabi maybe holds a person would be but the Gar doesn't want to say that. So says um look at first of all somebody says I take upon myself the there is no the rabbis say you're completely exempt argues says A person knows that there's no and therefore what his intention is it should be I accept the monetary the retail value of the item and he gives the value of the because a person does not just say things for nothing. Here also a person knows there's no on dried figs and therefore he concludes and he that he's going to he's doing it for nazerus of wine. So the gar is explaining since he when he said he means he's a legitimate and that which he said we'll have to dismiss. So what does B hold again doesn't say B holds says Bri holds like holds that a person is caught up meaning a person is responsible for the way he finishes his statement. So therefore this nether comes together with its pes with its opening because he started by saying but he ended off by saying so that's like a pes because there is no from says Now what is where does Rabio's opinion uh where is it seen says Haruas Schlamim Rabio Rabio's opinion is found by someone who says this should be in exchange for anah this should be in exchange for a schlim. So we say if somebody says if we're gonna pay attention to both things then the animal can't possibly have kaducas and so therefore we say you have to let it graze until it develops the you sell it half of the money you use for an half the money you use for a carbonim here too with the completion of his words. We're gonna tie him to that since there is no Nazirus by dried figs. He's not a nazer. Even though at first he said, "Behold, I'm within the same time frame of speech. It's as if he made a made he found an opening for the so he's off the hook. If you make a nether with a nether is not even in the first place the nether is not even. So here are two also like that we tie somebody down to his concluding statement. So he said he then qualified it by saying which means basically I'm not a because there is no figs. So he uproots what he's saying holds a person's not going to just say meaningless expression. So therefore we give credence to Nazer and we throw out but can't throw it out because basil is uh feels that we have to give extra credence to his final words. Okay, that's the explanation for um bhil to which the garra asks, wait a second, doesn't b shami also hold that a person is tied down to his final words. also this is a nether with its opening with it Ella. So now we're going to offer another approach to explain but rather that a person doesn't say his words empty for no reason. And since he says, he's so what do we do with the way he ended off? But when he says from dried figs or from a cake of figs, So he's coming to be mater basically he's coming to retract retract you're allowed to retract goes according to his reasoning says there's no retraction by hectish when you're something you can't go to by since you can't go to to retract hectish. There is no retraction by fourth line fourth wide line. It doesn't mean to be m like to go to he never came to here, right? It's not like the guy said I'm and then he went to he said I'm a and then he said from figs. So what this means is he is re regretting and retracting. It's like a guy who's asking for finds a kar to it's a mistaken. So it's not mish a it's not like he's going to but saying the words and then it's like someone who went to a it's like a retraction and therefore by hectish retraction is not possible. Therefore um by it's also not possible. Why? is like so now we have to we've turned the tables holds like I but then how do you explain his final statement? Well, he's trying to retract. We don't allow retraction by Nazerus just like we don't allow it by hectish. Yeah. So what does BL hold? So um it's a little bit unusual. What do you mean? He holds there is retraction by Nazeras. A way to understand this gamarra is we need to understand the second version of of bal because the second version of a shami it holds that you're user and figs because you said so regarding that what does basill hold and regarding that the is going to say holds like exempts because he did not donate like the usual manner of donations and that we will explain further next time we learn which will probably be Thursday night. Okay, this week I'm sorry Thursday night. Good night everyone. feel good. >> Recording stopped. >> By the way, >> that's why he says, "Do you ever uh see everything counts that comes out?" >> That's right. Good night. Thank you. Cult of