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>> Okay, I get to walk I get into walk.
The might say menucha.
The truma sadashan
uh
taught as recorded in the safer like a
yosha
that the reason we start slichos motzei
shabbos
is because
on shabbos we learn torah
and slichos requires simcha
so we need the simcha shell torah
to usher us into the may have slichos as
one of slichos.
So, may this uh
give us the right hakdama to
lishmaya l'arina v'al hatfila. Says the
mishna, much of this mishna we already
learned before was quoted before.
Harini nazir k'sa'ar roshi, behold I'm a
nazir like the hair on my head.
U'k'afar ha'aretz, or like the dust of
the earth. U'k'chol hayam,
harizei nazir olam. You're a nazir olam.
We had
what that means, the gemara explained on
daf zayin as you're the there you are
the a perpetual nazir.
You're a perpetual nazir. Meaning,
you're constantly having one series
after another of 30 days of nazirus.
Per the number of hairs on your head,
you have to accept an a series of
nazirus per the number of hairs on your
head.
So, whether you say like the hair on my
head, u'k'afar ha'aretz, or like the
dust of the earth. U'k'chol hayam, or
like the sea or like the sand. Harizei
nazir olam.
You're a nazir perpetually.
U'megale'ach echad l'shloshim yamim, you
cut your hair once every 30 days.
Rebbi Oimer,
ein zeh megale'ach echad l'shloshim
yamim.
This scenario, you do not cut your hair
every 30 days.
V'eizehu megale'ach echad l'shloshim?
What is uh someone who cuts his hair
every 30 days? Ho'imer, harei alai
nazirus. Not I am a nazir. If you say I
am a nazir,
like the hair on your head, you're not a
nazir every 30 days. If only you have to
articulate that you're accepting a
period of nazirus. Harei alai nazirus.
Kisaru is you kafar al atzmi k'chol
hayam. I accept a period of nazirus like
the hair on my head, like the dust of
the earth, and like the sand on the sea.
Next case.
Hareini nazir malei habayis. I am a
nazir
full of the house, or maleiha kupa, or
full of the basket.
Now, we have no idea what this guy
means. What What kind of,
you know, unusual statement is that? I'm
a nazir full of the house. I'm a nazir
full of a What are you going to put in
the house?
You You could put one elephant, or you
could put a billion, uh, you know, a
million, uh, grains of rice. You could
put a billion
grains of sand. What does the guy mean?
A basket full. A basket full of what?
One basket full and a thousand grains of
rice. What What does he mean?
Boidkin I say. So, we ask him.
Imma Mar if he says, "I'll tell you what
I mean. Achas gedolah nazarti. I meant
one big nazirus. I meant because nazirus
is a pain in the neck, like it's endless
for me."
So, then nazir lamed yom.
Imma Mar if he says, "Stop nazarti. What
do you mean? What did I mean? You think
I thought about it? I never thought
about it. I just said it.
I meant stam.
I don't know. Tell He says, "You tell me
what I meant." Objectively, what does
that statement mean?
Then ro'in es hakupa kilu maleiha
chardal.
We view the basket as if it's full of
mustard seeds.
Then nazir kol yamav. He's a nazir
forever, meaning he's a nazir 30 days
for each grain of mustard.
>> [snorts]
>> Says Tosafos, "Hareini nazir maleiha
bayis, maleiha kupa perush bayis
re'konis.
We about an empty house, a Kupa reconus
lufnen or
an empty ba basket. It doesn't mean he
meant an empty one. A an empty full ba
meaning I want a Nazir I accept upon
myself Nazirus a empty basket full of
stuff. We just don't know what the stuff
is.
Boid can I say we check him in Mama
Achas Gedola Nadarti Nazir
If he says I I took upon myself one big
one, he's a Nazir 30 days. Pirush
Nazirus Achas Nadarti.
I made one Nazirus. The Had the K'amar
Malaya Bayis.
The reason why he referenced the house
full the Arich Milisa. It's very long
for him. Right? We had that on Zayin
Amud Aleph. The Ino Nazir Ela Shloshim
Yom. He's only a Nazir for 30 days.
The Imam Achas Tam Nadarti Royan Hakupa
Kilam L'Achad the Nazir Kayam
The Rabanan Del El Nazirus Achas Nazirus
Ul Rabbi Nazirus Aroch.
According to the Tana Kamma,
he means a Nazirus after a Nazirus cuz
the Tana Kamma holds
K'Sa'arei Shi is perpetually 30 days of
Nazirus and Rabbi has Rabbi holds no.
One long Nazirus because he didn't say
He said Harini Nazir. He didn't say
Hareini Nazirus. So therefore Tosefos is
pointing out Rabbi would say that he's
not a Nazir for each
um mustard seed. He's one long he's a
Nazir for 30 days.
Later in the Mishna,
we had all these cases today actually
when we were reviewing on of Zion.
I really know kind of mocking plenty.
I am a Nazir from here until such and
such place. Who remembers from today's
Hazara what was the place that we used?
>> Detroit.
>> Not Detroit.
>> Louisiana.
>> Not Louisiana, Wyoming. Okay, that was
the official Wyoming.
Actually, when we learned it during the
week
we picked San Diego cuz the majority of
our sheer were San Diego, but they for
them they're like the most shall shoot
us now.
Um but they're going to listen to it and
when they do they'll just smile. Okay,
but
so I'm a Nazir from here until such and
such place.
I am deem coming on and we kind of
mocking plenty. We determine how long is
it until this place.
If it's less than 30 days, Nazir
you're Nazir for 30 days. Then love
otherwise Nazir coming in the Yemen
you're a Nazir
for the number of days it takes to get
to this and this place.
I really know there
coming [clears throat] in you might say
comma.
I'm a Nazir commensurate with the days
of the solar year.
I'm a Nazir
in accordance with the days of the solar
year. My name is yours coming in you
might say comma.
He has to
count
the periods of Nazir us
commensurate with the number of days in
the solar year. Meaning he doesn't
observe a 365 day Nazir us, he observes
365 different series of Nazir us. Why do
we say that?
Cuz
let's see Tyson.
We can be at mocking plenty pockets me
love me down.
Nazir
from here until such and such place,
less than 30 days, you're Nazir for 30
days. Why me did I have a I married
Nazir I married it's the same thing as a
guy who said I'll be a Nazir for one
day.
To have a Nazir Lam at Yime that he's a
Nazir for 30 days because the minimum
Nazirus is
30 days.
Ve'im lav Nazir Kaminion Hayamim.
Who get the precious L
like we explained earlier the Myri Kisha
Hasik Badar. We're talking about where
you already took the road. Remember on
the Zion and the Gamara explained that
once you start traveling
then
>> That's our good luck.
>> Then you want the the host of the
Nazirus commence
with the number of days it takes. So we
say it's commence with the number of
days that you take that it
Moina Nazirus Kaminion Yime Shana. Now
you can ask on this case. I thought only
by
independent
entities do we say that you accept upon
yourself 30 days commensurate with each
entity. But days the Gamara said on the
Zion is not a separate entity. But here
it's a little bit different. Why?
The Hainu Shin Sama Hadashim.
Yia Nazir Nazir Nazirus this is you'll
be a Nazir of 365 days.
One Nazirus after another.
When we got the time you're going to
shave in between. You can take a haircut
in between. We may be carving. Ah.
So you'll say didn't we have on the Zion
that days are not independent entities?
No, but he said Kaminion.
Kaminion implies
per each day that is counted. Since the
days are counted as separate entities,
so now it's going to be Uh, 30 day
Nazirus for each day. Kima de kama
communion mashima nazirus It's mashima
nazirus the long nazirus araq. Not one
long nazirus.
The Mishnah concludes Amora vihuda massa
haya
kivan she hishlam mase. There's a story
about a guy who accepted upon himself
different nazirus. He said, "I'm going
to accept upon myself nazirus communion
shinais ama, which takes about 30 years.
And after he finished his 365 different
nazirus, he
uh
uh he he died just at the right time.
Amora vihuda massa haya vikivan she
hishlam mase. Vihuda lasiua latana kama
kasi. He's supporting the tanakama.
Vikama massa haya.
He's saying there's a story vikivu
nazirus harbe.
The rabbis obligated him to observe many
series of nazirus. Vikivan she hishlam
kulai mase. Since
he
completed the whole nazirus he died.
Fine.
Says the Gamara, wait a second. It says
that if a guy says a house full of
nazirus or a basket full of nazirus, and
he says, "I don't know what I meant. You
tell me what I meant." We look at the
basket like it's full of mustard seeds.
I mean, why do we
view it like it's full of mustard seeds?
Why don't we view the basket like it's
full of watermelons?
By the way, watermelons are bigger than
mustard seeds.
Yeah?
So, why why is why we viewing the basket
as if it's Why we being so machmir on
him? We don't know what he meant, so
let's assume it's uh
you know, full of mustard seeds. Why not
watermelons? Royan es ha kupa ki male
hardol.
We view the basket like it's full of
mustard when a Nazir called Yuma of an
easy Nazir.
Endlessly
why don't we make believe that it's full
of gourds and melons
so the guy should have some remedy why
why we busting his chops, you know? Why
don't we view it like there are amoeba
in his basket so that he's going to be
even after
the guy is still going to be a Nazir. I
mean
why don't we view it like there you know
um
you know ostriches inside of his basket.
Dinosaurs says the Gamara.
Actually this is this matter will be a
subject of debate.
Enters himself into a matter that it's
uncertainty is more strict than it's
certainty. Let's see for a moment.
That we view as if it's full of mustard
and in my tacona and the guy has no
remedy.
Why don't we view it full that it's full
of dough but in this guy being zealous
in a zero the guy's coming was only for
one Nazir as
and we'll be lenient with him.
As so the Gamara wants to answer that
there's a general
in Chas when a guy says something we
don't know what he means so what does he
want us to do if we don't know what he
means? Does he want us to negate what he
said since we have no clarity what he
means or does he say or does he want
since we don't know we're just going to
put on him all the most strict possible
interpretations of his words
and that's what he had in mind that
since his words are unclear we're going
to take every possible strictness and
hurl it on him that or that's one
opinion another opinion is we don't know
what he means so we have to negate what
he said we have to render what he said
null and void. So the mission is saying
that that's a kiss in general when a guy
says something we don't know what he
means do we interpret it strictly do we
interpret it leniently and our mission
is going like Shimon who says that the
guy is
he has the guts that when he says
something with that we have
uncertainty what he means that will
interpret it
strictly. The Tanya
we learned in the irony Nazir
I'm a Nazir on condition the basket has
this the pile has a hundred core of
measurement.
The guy made his Nazir is contingent on
that in this pile there's X amount of
measurement.
The whole school must say she got
enough.
And he came back
and he was going to count is there a
hundred core and I'm a Nazir or is there
is it or perhaps there's not a hundred
core I'm not a Nazir and he came back
and lo and behold it was stolen.
So there's absolutely no way to
determine whether there was a hundred
core and therefore there's no way to
determine is he a Nazir or not.
Or it shall be or is lost.
Shimon I say
Shimon I say is why she has something
Nazir to have mayor cuz when you're in
doubt whether Nazir is effective or not
mayor and we say
we'll treat it like you are a Nazir.
Reb matter Reb allows it she has
something Nazir L'chatchila.
Sefek Nazirus is lenient, says Tosefos.
So if Shimon I said the Sefek Nazirus is
Achrayus, we should not be worried how
you buy Meah Kor.
We'll come on and explain
Takanah
Later on we're going to explain a
Takanah
of Rebbi Shimon.
Because
We'll see the Maharav Rensburg
Reb Betzalel Rensburg, which by the way
he's buried next to the Noda B'Yehuda in
Prague.
I think he was a Talmid of the Noda
B'Yehuda.
He says that later on Dof Yud Gimmel the
Gemara will be explained what exactly is
this rectification according to Rebbi
Shimon.
So later on the Gemara will explain the
Takanah in Rebbi Shimon the Omer Kodshim
She'askil
L'man Shemayim Nazirusai
Basically before he starts to count the
Nazirus Im Hoyu B'Meah Kor.
If there were 100 Kor of Harayni Nazer
and I'm a Nazer Me'dibur Rishon
Hinei Ashlim Nidaray, I'm going to
fulfill my Neder U'mayvi Korbanosav
and I'm going to bring my Korbanos.
V'im Lo Hoyu B'Meah Kor, if I there
isn't V'im Kein B'dibur Lo Hoyu
B'Mamesh, and then what I said has no
effectiveness, Harayni Nozer B'Nazer
Achshav.
I'm going to be a Nazer now, V'yehi
Nazer Shloshim Yom, V'yovi Korbanosav
V'ein Kan Chulin B'Azara K'yu Nazer
Shloshim.
Either way and
meaning
What does Rebbe Shimon mean you're a
Nazir
Rebbe Shimon says Rebbe Shimon says
Okay, but
What's the guy going to do? He's going
to He's going to bring carbonos to the
Azara but he might not be a Nazir and
then he's bringing into the Azara. So
the takana is what the guy says that if
my first Nazir is effective good. I'm
observing it now and I'm going to bring
my carbonos and if the first Nazir was
not effective then I'm taking upon
myself a Nazir now and I'll observe that
Nazir.
But skip
Rebbe Yehuda matters
Nazir so how can
He never accepted anything unless he
finds a hundred
meaning
Our Mishnah that says that if somebody
says I'm a basket full of Nazir he's a
He's a Nazir forever 30 days and 30 days
30 going like Rebbe Shimon cuz you have
to take the more
shita.
But what would Rebbe Yehuda say? Rebbe
Yehuda say will be
and will say what he meant was
a basket full of basketball. So I'm only
accepting one Nazir upon myself.
So the Gemara is a initial understanding
of this Mishnah is to align the time of
the Mishnah with Rebbe Shimon who says
when a person says something that we're
not sure what he means will be
on him.
And the Gemara says no no no no no.
Rebbe Yochanan
Our Mishnah you don't have to lock in
only only to Rebbe Shimon. You You don't
have to say that our Mishnah doesn't fit
in according to Rebbe Yehuda.
Rebbe Yochanan Our Mishnah you can even
say it's
Rebbe Yehuda is only lenient in that
case case, don't even know if the
guy meant to be a Nazir in the first
place. So, then we'll say if we don't
know if he meant to be a Nazir,
we'll say we'll negate what he says. We
can't treat him as a Nazir misafeq. But
in our Mishnah, we know the guy for sure
is a Nazir. We just don't know how long.
So, once the guy was nochis to be a
Nazir, and now we don't know does he
mean a basket full of basketballs or
basket full of mustard seeds, then what?
Once we know he's a Nazir, he's like
bechas cast a Nazir, we'll tack him on
we'll say we'll be machmir. You're a
Nazir endlessly. When we don't know if
he's a Nazir in the first place, that's
when Rebi Yehuda says we'll we'll be
lenient. But one once he's for sure is a
Nazir, and we don't know if
uh how how long, then even Rebi Yehuda
would say we'll be machmir.
Says the Gemara, Rebi Yochanan Amar,
"Afilu tamei Rebi Yehuda." You can even
say our Mishnah is consistent with Rebi
Yehuda. Hasam lei nochis leilei Nazirus.
There, he never consented to be a Nazir.
Definitely, we're not sure if he
consented for Nazirus. Hacha, but here,
nochis lei lei Nazirus.
He did consent to be a Nazir.
Tosefos, "Afilu tamei Rebi Yehuda, hasam
lei nochis lei Nazirus klal."
There, he never he never descended to
the status of Nazirus. Kal vachomer,
meaning to say,
in laha'atala of Nazirus, we're not
going to place Nazirus on him.
Dishamalei hoyu ba'ei me'ikar.
Maybe there wasn't a hundred court. But
hacha, nochis lei Nazirus,
bema'ei
uh leslukei minei.
What does that mean?
Here, [snorts]
let let me read the words one more time
in the Gemara. Hacha, nochis lei lei
Nazirus. Here, he did
Therefore, bema'ei how can you remove it
from him?
Says
the
In the Mishnah, he's definitely one
Nazirite. But
even if he meant a basket full of dough,
but
since he did descend into the status of
Nazirite, any status like you can't
remove him. You can't remove him. You
can't remove him.
Says the Gemara,
what are you talking about?
In the Mishnah, he definitely descended
to Nazirite. Yes, he descended to
Nazirite.
But he only descended to one Nazirite.
But once that one Nazirite is over, now
we have a question. Did he Is he done
and he could go home and play pickleball
or or whatever he wants to do? Or does
he need to continue? So once that
initial Nazirite is over, it's the same
question.
Is he done? Was he Did he descend to
Nazirite or or not? In other words, it's
true initially in our Mishnah, he was
Nazirite Nazirite and he definitely is a
Nazirite, but once that Nazirite is
over, then we have no idea at all
whether he should be a Nazirite again or
not. So now all all all bets are off.
Says the Gemara,
why?
I might lay.
Why can't you Why can't you
shake him off? Why can't you remove him?
Let's say the cooper view the basket
kimale kishon of the wood. The havaleta
kanta so he could have a remedy.
Let's see Tysis and we'll end with this.
Let it be full of
melons or male about
but the havaleta [clears throat] kanta.
Meaning to say
Okay, now this is interesting.
What do you want this guy to do?
You don't know whether
the guy should be a nazir for
30 days, 30 days, 30 days, 30 days or
one nazirites.
Here.
Let
him take a haircut at the end of 30
days.
The Yovi carbon.
He's shaving correctly.
Even
if he accepted nazirites commensurate
with the number of mustard seeds.
He could take a haircut after 30 days
because I got a day to
because the gamara thinks he amar chado.
If he said mustard seeds for nazirites,
claimer have a nazirites for nazirites
or
he accepted upon himself many periods of
nazirites, not one long one.
The kiva galak
once he shaves after once he takes a
haircut at the end of 30 days. Shuv
letatle aleha nazirites.
Where be Huda?
We should not put any more nazirites on
him.
Who's to say he accepted mustard? The
mabatsik maybe dough. The hishom nidri
the hash to dummy lahi decree. Once he
serves one
period
Now we have a question. Was he not again
to the zeros?
It's not a good to say well in the
mission he definitely is another and now
the question is how many and then so
then everyone is
when are they make all whether we're not
sure if he became another to begin with
but once he observes one to zeros then
it's back to the beginning and we don't
know is he at this point in time not to
the zeros or not.
Now it's the
now it's exactly parallel to the case of
the
basket
the matter
Why can't you shake him?
Okay and we will
hold it here that is
and sometime before the High Holiday
we need to learn some of these. Okay,
thank you for joining
the
menucha guy out.