Daf Hashavua - Nazir 6b

Recording in progress. >> Okay, good evening, friends. We're continuing with Sota Nazir. Tonight, we do Daf Vav Amud Baze. Daf Vav Amud Baze. We have a Machlokes Rav Masna and Bar Pada. What is the source for Stam Nazir Sheloshim Yom? Rav Masna says the source is the Gemara Yea. That would therefore require a full 30 days. However, Rav Masna also subscribes to Miktzas Hayom K'kulo. A part part of a day is like a full day. Bar Pada, on the other hand, holds that we learn it out from the the mentions of Nazirus in the Parsha of Nazir. It says Nazir and Nizrai. 30 minus one. So, technically speaking, you need 29 days. We make a Gezeira Atu, a case where you said I need 30 full days that you should do the haircut, the shaving on the 31st day. However, B'dieved, if you do it on the 30th day, it works. Bar Pada does not subscribe to Miktzas Hayom K'kulo. We began the question on Bar Pada yesterday, three lines from the bottom on Vav Amud Aleph. T'nan, Misha Amar Hareini Nazir, Nazir, someone who says behold I am a Nazir, Nitma Yom Sheloshim. If he became Tamei on the 30th day, So'er S'ar Hakol, it demolishes the entire Nazirus. Now, this makes sense according to Rav Masna because you need to do a solid 30 days because Nazirus is 30 days. Bishlama L'Rav Masna Nicha, it's good according to Rav Masna. Ela L'Bar Pada Kasha, it's a question on Bar Pada. Why would it be So'er the whole Nazirus? You only really need to do 29 days. The idea of doing 30 days is only an outside gazelle. Tosis says don't say it's so so demolishes and nazirites because mid rabbinic you need 30 days because since you only need 30 days for a side reason, if you became tummy on the 30th day would not demolish the whole nazirites. Answers the Gamara would say to you as follows. Amos say for let's take a look at the the end of the Mishnah. Rabbi Eliezer the ain so so only demolishes 7 days. What does it mean 7 days? Cuz it takes 7 days to become tahor. Meaning according to Rabbi Eliezer, if you come tummy on the 30th day all you need to do is wait until you come tahor again, but it doesn't destroy the nazirites. Now, why do you have to wait 7 days? Because someone who's tummy cannot bring a carbon. Look in the rush. The rush is coming. I know so so only meaning Zion you made to my savior as you become a nice of. I why does tuma delay you from being a carbon? So just send them. They have a God that tummy Michelle a carbon I saw by another is different cuz we got to put some of the blood on his hands. So he has to touch it. So if he's physically tummy, he can't bring the carbon ice. Okay. Um says the Gamara. Now, Rabbi Eliezer is of the opinion it only uh it only demolishes 7 days. The the back puts in the letter of the Isaac died of solution being on. If you're going to say you need 30 days Mr. Kulu it should uproot the whole thing. Meaning if from us now is right, so then if you become tummy on the 30th day, it shouldn't only require you to do another 7 days. It should demolish the whole thing. So, if anything, the seifa is a raya to Bar Pada that you only need 29 days of neziros. So, basically, Rav Bar Pada turned the tables, and he proved from the seifa that you only need 29 days. Question. So, now what does Rav Masna do with the seifa? The answer is Rav Masna would say kasavar Rav Eliezer miktsas hayom kakulai. Rav Eliezer holds that part of a day is like a full day. So, if the person became tamei on the 30th day, uh even though he didn't bring the korbanos, but he fulfilled he completed the neziros process, and therefore it does not uproot the whole thing. So, Rav Masna could defend himself from the seifa. What does Bar Pada do with the reisha? That's going to be a question. Mhm. That's still going to be a question. Now, wait a second. What does Rav Eliezer hold? I'm sorry. What does the Tanna Kamma hold? The Tanna Kamma says it does uproot the whole thing. Cuz he would say, what do you mean miktsas hayom kakulai? But you didn't bring the korbanos yet. So, since you didn't bring the korbanos, it is soiser the entire procedure. Now, let's see Tosafos. Kasavar Rav Eliezer miktsas hayom kakulai. Rav Eliezer holds part of a day is like the whole day. Hashta khozeh leRav Masna. What we're doing now is we're reverting back to Rav Masna because Rav Punda says the safer supports him. So, we want to know, well, how is Rav Masna going to explain the safer, namely that says it only disrupts 7 days? Why would that be? The we ask him the Rav Lezar Aliba, it should say the Rav Masna. The the Hagahos Ha Tziyunim changes it to we need to answer Rav Lezar contra Rav Masna Ki Eichi Now, Ki Eichi De Rabbanan Meshech Nezirus Shloshim Yam. Let's see how to read this. Just like according to Rabbanan, the Nezirus lasts 30 days. Ulah Hakhi and therefore Ki Meid Mayim Lamid Hakol So, it's Hakol and if you became Tamei on the 30th day, it would dismantle everything. That's what the Hagahos Ha Tziyunim puts in. Hakhanami Rav Lezar, the same thing would be according to Rav Lezar. The Adraba Mid Rabbanan from the Rabbis Nishma Rav Lezar we could infer that Rav Lezar agrees to Meshech Nezirus um is 30 days. Um Lo Pligi because regarding the duration of Nezirus, they don't argue. If the Rabbanan hold that if you became Tamei on the 30th day, it demolishes everything, because Nezirus is 30 days, we could infer Rav Lezar holds Nezirus is also 30 days. They don't argue about that. If so, why in Rav Lezar does not demolish the whole Nezirus? Kam Rav Lezar Nistar Kol Shloshim Yam says that the Rashi says Tosfos Kasa Rav Lezar Rav Lezar holds Miktzas Yam Kakulai. Va'Afilu Nitma even if you became tummy before you brought the carbon ice. Why the mix us Nazirite be on the same? Cuz after you you observed partial Nazirite on the 30th day. The and then you became tummy connect me beyond like the became tummy on the 31st day I'll came in a social Eliza and therefore it only demolishes seven days and the rabbinical hold that until you bring your carbon ice it will demolish the whole thing because it's not considered like you completed your period of Nazirite. So they both agree Nazirite is 30 days. They both agree mix us say I'm Kakulai. They just disagree regarding what is mix us say I'm. Is it part of the day even without the carbon ice and therefore contra Blazer it doesn't disrupt it doesn't dismantle the whole Nazirite. Or is it or is it mix or is it only after you bring the carbon ice? Okay. Tanan. We learned in the Mishnah this is another part of the Mishnah and that design. I really know if somebody says I'm a Nazirite for 100 days Nitzma if they became tummy on the 100th day so it it dismantles the whole Nazirite because the guy said I have to be a Nazirite for 100 days and now what happened was he uh he became tummy on the 100th day so he he was so he the entire Nazirite. That everybody agrees to. Which by the way if you hold mix us say I'm Kakulai it should not dismantle the whole Nazirites because you already observed a little bit of the Nazirites in the morning. Rebbe Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer only dismantles 30 days. Now that's peculiar. You would have to do another 30 days? That doesn't make too much sense. If you shouldn't have to do anything. If you shouldn't have to do the whole you should have to do the whole thing. But what does this thing Well, actually if if you should only have to wait 7 days because you still have to wait until you're tahor. If it's not right so then you should have to do the whole thing. Rebbe Yishmael says Rebbe Eliezer if Rebbe Eliezer holds you should do 7 days why should you have to do the 30 days? You should only have to do 7 days. Says Tosafot Tanan Rebbe Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer only says 30 days Rebbe Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer only says 7 days it should only uproot 7 days. This is a question according to Rebbe Masna who holds Rebbe Masna says 7 days. Rebbe Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer only says 7 days if Rebbe Eliezer says 7 so then it shouldn't you should have to do the whole thing. Rebbe Eliezer um Rebbe namely who holds Rebbe Eliezer says 7 days Rebbe Eliezer says 7 days it should uproot and demolish all the days. Says the Gemara really we don't say 7 days. I if that's the case you have to say 7 days all the days then you should dismantle the whole thing. If Bar Pada is right, it should dismantle the whole thing. Amora Shmuel said to Reish Lakish, "Amora Elazar Amora Krovus Zois Torahs Hanazir Biyom Milo Shimon Yisrael. This is the rule of the Nazir on the day he completes his Nazirus. Ha Torah Amra Nidma Biyom Milo if you became tamei on the last day, ten light Torahs Nazir, just place the laws of Nazir on him, namely a 30-day period. Really, we don't say mix of say I'm Kukulay. And therefore, becoming tamei really we should have to dismantle and um demolish the entire Nazirus. And he should have to do 100 days. Why don't you? There's a special dispensation that if you become if you reached nearly the finish line, then you only need to observe 30 days, but not the whole Nazirus. We learn it from Zois Torahs Hanazir Biyom Milo Nazir. Says Tosfos Amora Shmuel to Reish Lakish Kivar Pada Really, he like Bar Pada, mix of say I'm is not Kukulay. V'lo ya mean mix of say I'm Kukulay. V'hi Taima Amora in a source of Kulu. Why doesn't it demolish the whole thing? Amora Shmuel to Reish Lakish, Amra Torah Nidma Biyom Milo is if you became tamei then Biyom Kuf Shulyom Milo is Nazir ten light Torahs Nazir. K'lo Amra Shmuel Yasa Eid Torahs Stam Nazirus. He should observe the Torahs Hanazirus, a 30-day period. Shlo Shimyom U'gzairas Hakosuv It's Gzairas Hakosuv Sh'lo Yistar Kulu not to uproot the whole thing. Fine. Amora Mar No. Says Gemara Leima K'tanoy. Let's say it's a Machlokes tanoyim, a machlokes of R' Masnah bar Pada. Whether we learn it from year, or we allowed 29 days is machlokes tanoyim. Why? It says ad meloisai yamim. Until the days are full. It says, kol yemei neder nizrai sar lo ya'avor al roshi. Ad meloisai yamim. All the days of nazirus a razor shall not pass on his head until you complete the days. Okay. So, I would think days, that's at least two days. Shamay shamay shamani. Me'ut yamim shnayim. I would have assumed I would comprehend a me'ut of yamim is two. Tam lomar, no, it's not two days. Kadosh yihyeh gedol pera. He should be holy and grow his the locks of his hair. Engedol pera pagum mishloshim. Growing locks is not less than 30. Apparently, he's learning the gematria of year. Divrei R' Yoshiya. R' Yochanan says, he says, you don't have to wait 30 days. Hare omer ad meloisai yamim. Until you fill up the days. A eilu hein hayamim shetzarich l'malei. What are the days he has to fill up? Hare omer shloshim, it's 30 days. The days you have to fill up are 30 days. What is that? What does that mean? Let's see Tosfos. Second wide line on the bottom. Shamay ani. Me'ut yamim shnayim. V'yesh stam nezirus base yamim. Tam lomar kadosh yihyeh gedol pera engedol pagum mishloshim yamim k'minyan year. She'ein tzrichin l'malei. >> The way we interpret this that what are what days need to be filled up it's referring to a month. Tosis says climate Hadash sometimes it's 30 days of Hadash sometimes it's missing one day. So Rebyosha learns it from Yea. Rebyoina son learns it from Meloyis Hayomim 29. My love Rebyosha Rebyosha who learns it out from Yea holds like Rebyosha learns out from Yea. 29 times he learns like Rebyoina son of Ad Meloyis Hayomim. Amralo Masna Rebyosha will say to you like this no Kule Alma Shloshim Yim. Everyone holds you need 30. Even Rebyoina son holds you need 30. Everyone holds you need 30. Even Rebyoina son. I Rebyoina son said Ad Meloyis Hayomim. So he said like this. The Ad Ad Hadash here they argue about when something says until is it until but not including or is it until and including. That's what they argue about. Rebyosha said Rebyosha says Ad means we're not including it. So Rebyosha can't learn it out from until the days are complete cuz that means we're not including the 30th day and it would only amount to 29 days. If we're in referencing a month and we would say until, that means until the month, not the 30th day. So, he can't learn it out from ad malaisa yomim, he needs to learn it out from year. Cuz that's the only way to get 30 days. However, Reb Yonason ad Reb Yonason could learn it out from ad malaisa yomim because he holds ad is until and including and therefore, if it's a month, it's including the 30th day. So, Reb Masya would say, "No, everybody, all tanoim say it's 30 days." The question you learn it out meaning everybody agrees the masoira is nazirus is 30 days. That being the case, they'll only argue how we get there. What's the asmakhta? Is the asmakhta if you hold until is until and excluding, then we won't learn it out from ad malaisa yomim, we'll learn it out from year. If it's until and including, then we could learn it out from ad malaisa yomim. Uh let's see Tysus. Amelakhara Masya, the kul yom shlosha yom kavasei. Reb Oshia sovar in general bakhol dukhtin ad velo ad bakhol, he'll yehei boylim lemeymar yes or no from year. Reb Yonason sovar in general we say ad velo ad bakhol. Play its trasha the year el amei ad malaisa nafka. According to Bar Pada though, there would have to be a makhlokes tanoim, namely, there is definitely going to be Reb Oshia would disagree with Bar Pada and he would say 30 days. Okay. Amar Mar, we said earlier eilo hein yom shatzi khulam alus, what are the days that have to be filled? Have a Yamim Shlaimim. It's 30 days. I mean, what What days do you need to complete a month? Because sometimes a month has 29 days. So, sometimes has to be completed. Says the Gemara, Why Why just because Ad Milois Hayamim? Till the days that need to be completed. How do you know that's a month? Maybe it's a week. Ve'eima Shabbos. Maybe it's Shabbos. So, the Gemara says, "I can't be Shabbos Me'ika Hasirusa?" Is Shabbos lacking anything that it needs to be completed? Says Tosfos, "Ve'eima Shabbos Shabbos Memalei Hashavua." Shabbos Meaning, Shabbos completes the week. So, the Gemara says, What do you mean it completes it? There's nothing missing about the week that Shabbos needs to complete. Me'ika Hasirusa, says Tosfos. "Hakol Me'ushavua Shlaimim Be'Shabbos." All the weeks are completed with Shabbos. But months, some are whole and some are Chasar. So, the Gemara says, Go to Zayin Amud Aleph. In mine, you have to turn it over. Ve'eima Shanah. Maybe it's a year, because a year is sometimes missing. A year Tosfos says, "Ve'eima Shanah She'tzu'cha Lemalei's." You need to fill up the year. Department here schnag, department schnad, department schna. Sometimes the year is 353, sometimes it's 354, sometimes it's 355. Says the Gamara, "No, because we don't count years by days." Says Gamara, "Me manina liyame." We don't Do we count it by days? Varabana de Kesaria Ami, the rabbis of Kesaria said, "Minain shein moinen yamem lashon. How do you know we don't count days for years? Shenemar, lekhodshe hashana, by the months of the year." Khadash emkhazen lashon of layam mashon, we count months for a year and not days for a year. Says Tosafos, second line, "Me maninan shana liyamen? Do we count a year by days? Hakhak siv admaloise. Let's see how they finagle the Gersa here. Maloise hayomem khoidesh hu demanina liyamen. It's a month that's counted by days. Me shamakh yamina debishloishim shel khodesh airekra. Therefore, we say we're talking about the 30 days of the month of aloi lashana. We don't count Month is counted by days, so Maloise hayomem could be how we fulfill a month, but we don't use days as a building block for years. >> Even though by by what they are called, right? We said yamem means a year. >> The year, the word yamem means it means a year, but now the question is admaloise hayomem >> Almost that's why they are specifically 12 months and not 1 year. >> Here we're trying to explain Maloise Hayamin. Days are completing something. Days only complete months. Days don't complete years. Years are not looked at as building blocks of days. They're looked at as building blocks of months. Earlier on when we were dealing with Batay Arei Chaimah, that was regarding the Nazir Oilam, right? By Avshalom, we say that he he shaved his head miyamim yamimah. So, it was the annually. Right? But but it doesn't mean 2 days. The Gemara says because part of the gzairah shavah was because of the heaviness. So, the hair doesn't get heavy after 2 days. Okay, that is Vava Meitzia for you. That is That is what did we just learn? Vava Meitzia, yeah. Today's Tuesday, right? Okay, shoo. Okay, so we did it this week. And then next week, what day is it in San Diego? It's also Tuesday? How does it work over there? Yeah? It's Monday there? What's same? Okay, have a good night everyone. Shkoyach. >> Recording stopped.