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>> Okay, good evening, friends. We're
continuing with Sota Nazir.
Tonight, we do Daf Vav Amud
Baze. Daf Vav Amud Baze.
We have a Machlokes Rav Masna and Bar
Pada. What is the source
for Stam Nazir Sheloshim Yom? Rav Masna
says the source is the Gemara Yea.
That would therefore require a full 30
days. However, Rav Masna also subscribes
to Miktzas Hayom K'kulo. A part part of
a day is like a full day.
Bar Pada, on the other hand,
holds
that we learn it out from the the
mentions of Nazirus in the Parsha of
Nazir. It says Nazir and Nizrai.
30 minus one.
So, technically speaking,
you need 29 days. We make a Gezeira
Atu, a case where you said I need 30
full days that
you should do the haircut, the shaving
on the 31st day. However, B'dieved, if
you do it on the
30th day, it works.
Bar Pada does not subscribe to Miktzas
Hayom K'kulo.
We began the question on
Bar Pada yesterday, three lines from the
bottom on Vav Amud Aleph. T'nan, Misha
Amar Hareini Nazir, Nazir, someone who
says behold I am a Nazir, Nitma Yom
Sheloshim. If he became Tamei on the
30th day, So'er S'ar Hakol, it
demolishes the entire
Nazirus. Now, this makes sense according
to Rav Masna because you need to do a
solid 30 days because Nazirus is 30
days. Bishlama L'Rav Masna Nicha, it's
good according to Rav Masna. Ela L'Bar
Pada Kasha, it's a question on Bar Pada.
Why would it be So'er
the whole Nazirus?
You only really need to do 29 days. The
idea of doing 30 days is only an outside
gazelle.
Tosis says don't say it's so so
demolishes and nazirites because mid
rabbinic you need 30 days because since
you only need 30 days
for a side reason, if you became tummy
on the 30th day would not demolish the
whole nazirites.
Answers the Gamara
would say to you as follows. Amos say
for let's take a look at the
the end of the Mishnah.
Rabbi Eliezer the ain so so only
demolishes 7 days.
What does it mean 7 days? Cuz it takes 7
days to become tahor.
Meaning according to Rabbi Eliezer, if
you come tummy on the 30th day
all you need to do is wait until you
come tahor again, but it doesn't destroy
the nazirites.
Now, why do you have to wait 7 days?
Because someone who's tummy cannot bring
a carbon.
Look in the rush. The rush is coming. I
know so so
only meaning Zion you made to my savior
as you become a nice of. I why does tuma
delay you from being a carbon? So just
send them. They have a God that tummy
Michelle a carbon I saw by another is
different cuz we got to put some of the
blood on his hands. So he has to touch
it. So if he's physically tummy, he
can't bring the carbon ice.
Okay.
Um
says the Gamara.
Now, Rabbi Eliezer is of the opinion it
only
uh
it only demolishes 7 days.
The the back puts in the letter of the
Isaac died of solution being on. If
you're going to say you need 30 days Mr.
Kulu
it should
uproot the whole thing. Meaning if from
us now is right, so then if you become
tummy on the 30th day, it shouldn't only
require you to do another 7 days. It
should demolish the whole thing. So, if
anything, the seifa is a raya to Bar
Pada that you only need 29 days of
neziros.
So,
basically, Rav Bar Pada turned the
tables, and he proved from the seifa
that you only need 29 days.
Question. So, now what does Rav Masna do
with the seifa? The answer is
Rav Masna would say kasavar Rav Eliezer
miktsas hayom kakulai.
Rav Eliezer holds that part of a day is
like a full day.
So,
if the person became tamei on the 30th
day,
uh even though he didn't bring the
korbanos,
but he fulfilled he completed the
neziros process, and therefore it does
not uproot the whole thing. So, Rav
Masna could defend himself from the
seifa. What does Bar Pada do with the
reisha? That's going to be a question.
Mhm.
That's still going to be a question.
Now, wait a second.
What does Rav Eliezer hold? I'm sorry.
What does the Tanna Kamma hold?
The Tanna Kamma says it does uproot the
whole thing. Cuz he would say,
what do you mean miktsas hayom kakulai?
But you didn't bring the korbanos yet.
So, since you didn't bring the korbanos,
it is
soiser the entire procedure.
Now, let's see Tosafos.
Kasavar Rav Eliezer miktsas hayom
kakulai.
Rav Eliezer holds part of a day is like
the whole day. Hashta khozeh
leRav Masna. What we're doing now is
we're reverting back to Rav Masna
because Rav Punda says the safer
supports him. So, we want to know, well,
how is
Rav Masna going to explain the safer,
namely that says it only disrupts 7
days? Why would that be?
The we ask him the Rav Lezar Aliba, it
should say the Rav Masna.
The
the Hagahos Ha Tziyunim changes it to we
need to answer Rav Lezar contra Rav
Masna Ki Eichi
Now,
Ki Eichi De Rabbanan Meshech Nezirus
Shloshim Yam.
Let's see how to read this.
Just like according to Rabbanan, the
Nezirus lasts 30 days.
Ulah Hakhi and therefore Ki Meid Mayim
Lamid
Hakol So, it's Hakol and if you became
Tamei on the 30th day, it would
dismantle everything. That's what the
Hagahos Ha Tziyunim puts in.
Hakhanami Rav Lezar, the same thing
would be according to Rav Lezar.
The Adraba Mid Rabbanan from the Rabbis
Nishma Rav Lezar we could infer that Rav
Lezar agrees to Meshech Nezirus
um is 30 days.
Um Lo Pligi
because regarding the duration of
Nezirus, they don't argue. If the
Rabbanan hold that if you became Tamei
on the 30th day, it demolishes
everything, because Nezirus is 30 days,
we could infer Rav Lezar holds Nezirus
is also 30 days. They don't argue about
that. If so, why in Rav Lezar does not
demolish the whole Nezirus? Kam Rav
Lezar Nistar Kol Shloshim Yam says that
the Rashi says Tosfos Kasa Rav Lezar Rav
Lezar holds Miktzas Yam Kakulai.
Va'Afilu Nitma
even if you became tummy before you
brought the carbon ice.
Why the
mix us Nazirite be on the same?
Cuz after
you you observed partial Nazirite on the
30th day.
The
and then you became tummy connect me
beyond
like the became tummy on the 31st day
I'll came in a social Eliza and
therefore it only
demolishes seven days and the rabbinical
hold that until you bring your carbon
ice it will demolish the whole thing
because it's not considered like you
completed your period of Nazirite. So
they both agree Nazirite is 30 days.
They both agree mix us say I'm Kakulai.
They just disagree regarding what is mix
us say I'm.
Is it part of the day even without the
carbon ice and therefore contra Blazer
it doesn't disrupt it doesn't dismantle
the whole Nazirite.
Or is it
or is it
mix or is it only after you bring the
carbon ice? Okay.
Tanan.
We learned in the Mishnah
this is another part of the Mishnah and
that design.
I really know
if somebody says I'm a Nazirite for 100
days
Nitzma
if they became tummy on the 100th day so
it
it dismantles the whole Nazirite because
the guy said I have to be a Nazirite for
100 days and now what happened was he uh
he became tummy on the 100th day so he
he was so he the entire Nazirite.
That everybody agrees to.
Which by the way if you hold mix us say
I'm Kakulai it should not
dismantle the whole Nazirites
because you already observed a little
bit of the Nazirites in the morning.
Rebbe Eliezer
says
Rebbe Eliezer only dismantles 30 days.
Now that's peculiar.
You would have to do another 30 days?
That doesn't make too much sense.
If
you shouldn't have to do anything.
If you shouldn't have to do the whole
you should have to do the whole thing.
But what does this thing
Well, actually if
if
you should only have to wait 7 days
because you still have to wait until
you're tahor.
If
it's not right
so then you should have to do the whole
thing. Rebbe Yishmael says
Rebbe Eliezer
if Rebbe Eliezer holds
you should do 7 days
why should you have to do the 30 days?
You should only have to do 7 days.
Says Tosafot Tanan
Rebbe Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer only
says 30 days Rebbe
Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer
only says 7 days
it should only uproot 7 days. This
is a question
according to Rebbe Masna who holds
Rebbe Masna says 7 days.
Rebbe
Eliezer says Rebbe Eliezer
only says
7 days if Rebbe Eliezer says 7
so then it shouldn't
you should have to do the whole thing.
Rebbe Eliezer
um Rebbe
namely who holds
Rebbe Eliezer says 7 days Rebbe Eliezer
says 7 days it should uproot and
demolish all the days.
Says the Gemara
really we don't say
7 days.
I if that's the case you have to say 7
days all the days
then you should dismantle
the whole thing.
If Bar Pada is right, it should
dismantle the whole thing.
Amora Shmuel said to Reish Lakish,
"Amora Elazar
Amora Krovus Zois Torahs Hanazir Biyom
Milo Shimon Yisrael. This is the
rule of the Nazir on the day he
completes his Nazirus.
Ha Torah Amra
Nidma Biyom Milo if you became tamei on
the last day,
ten light Torahs Nazir, just place the
laws of Nazir on him, namely a 30-day
period. Really, we don't say mix of say
I'm Kukulay. And therefore, becoming
tamei really we should have to dismantle
and
um
demolish the entire Nazirus. And he
should have to do 100 days. Why don't
you? There's a special dispensation that
if you become if you reached nearly the
finish line, then you only need to
observe 30 days, but not the whole
Nazirus.
We learn it from
Zois Torahs Hanazir Biyom Milo Nazir.
Says Tosfos Amora Shmuel to Reish Lakish
Kivar Pada
Really, he like Bar Pada, mix of say I'm
is not Kukulay. V'lo ya mean mix of say
I'm Kukulay. V'hi Taima Amora in a
source of Kulu.
Why doesn't it demolish the whole thing?
Amora Shmuel to Reish Lakish, Amra Torah
Nidma Biyom Milo is
if you became tamei then Biyom Kuf
Shulyom Milo is Nazir ten light Torahs
Nazir. K'lo Amra Shmuel Yasa Eid Torahs
Stam Nazirus. He should observe the
Torahs Hanazirus, a 30-day period. Shlo
Shimyom U'gzairas Hakosuv It's Gzairas
Hakosuv Sh'lo Yistar Kulu not to uproot
the whole thing.
Fine.
Amora Mar No.
Says Gemara
Leima K'tanoy.
Let's say it's a Machlokes tanoyim, a
machlokes of R' Masnah bar Pada.
Whether we learn it from year, or we
allowed 29 days is machlokes tanoyim.
Why? It says ad meloisai yamim.
Until the days are full.
It says, kol yemei neder nizrai sar lo
ya'avor al roshi. Ad meloisai yamim. All
the days of nazirus a razor shall not
pass on his head until you complete the
days.
Okay.
So, I would think days, that's at least
two days.
Shamay shamay
shamani.
Me'ut yamim shnayim. I would have
assumed
I would
comprehend a me'ut of
yamim is two. Tam lomar, no, it's not
two days. Kadosh yihyeh gedol pera. He
should be holy and grow his the locks of
his hair. Engedol pera pagum mishloshim.
Growing locks is not less than 30.
Apparently, he's learning the gematria
of year.
Divrei R' Yoshiya. R' Yochanan says,
he says, you don't have to wait 30 days.
Hare omer ad meloisai yamim.
Until
you fill up the days.
A
eilu hein hayamim shetzarich l'malei.
What are the days he has to fill up?
Hare omer shloshim, it's 30 days.
The days you have to fill up
are 30 days.
What is that? What does that mean?
Let's see Tosfos.
Second wide line on the bottom. Shamay
ani.
Me'ut yamim shnayim. V'yesh stam nezirus
base yamim. Tam lomar kadosh yihyeh
gedol pera engedol pagum mishloshim
yamim k'minyan year.
She'ein tzrichin l'malei.
>> The way we interpret this that what are
what days need to be filled up
it's referring to a month.
Tosis says climate Hadash
sometimes it's 30 days of Hadash
sometimes it's missing one day.
So Rebyosha learns it from Yea.
Rebyoina son
learns it from Meloyis Hayomim 29. My
love
Rebyosha Rebyosha who learns it out from
Yea holds like Rebyosha learns out from
Yea.
29 times he learns like Rebyoina son of
Ad Meloyis Hayomim.
Amralo Masna Rebyosha will say to you
like this no Kule Alma Shloshim Yim.
Everyone holds you need 30.
Even
Rebyoina son holds you need 30.
Everyone holds you need 30.
Even Rebyoina son.
I
Rebyoina son said
Ad Meloyis Hayomim.
So he said like this.
The
Ad Ad Hadash here they argue about
when something says until
is it until but not including or is it
until
and including. That's what they argue
about. Rebyosha said
Rebyosha says Ad means we're not
including it.
So
Rebyosha can't learn it out from until
the days are complete cuz that means
we're not including the 30th day and it
would only amount to 29 days. If we're
in referencing a month and we would say
until, that means until the month, not
the 30th day. So, he can't learn it out
from
ad malaisa yomim, he needs to learn it
out from year.
Cuz that's the only way to get 30 days.
However,
Reb Yonason
ad
Reb Yonason could learn it out from ad
malaisa yomim because he holds ad
is until and including and therefore, if
it's a month, it's including the 30th
day. So, Reb Masya would say, "No,
everybody, all tanoim say it's 30 days."
The question you learn it out
meaning
everybody agrees the masoira is nazirus
is 30 days.
That being the case, they'll only argue
how we get there. What's the asmakhta?
Is the asmakhta if you hold until is
until and excluding, then we won't learn
it out from ad malaisa yomim, we'll
learn it out from year. If it's until
and including, then we could learn it
out from ad malaisa yomim.
Uh let's see Tysus.
Amelakhara Masya, the kul yom shlosha
yom kavasei. Reb Oshia sovar in general
bakhol dukhtin ad velo ad bakhol, he'll
yehei boylim lemeymar yes or no from
year. Reb Yonason sovar in general we
say ad velo ad bakhol. Play its trasha
the year el amei ad malaisa nafka.
According to Bar Pada though, there
would have to be a makhlokes tanoim,
namely, there is definitely going to be
Reb Oshia
would disagree with Bar Pada and he
would say 30 days.
Okay.
Amar Mar, we said earlier eilo hein yom
shatzi khulam alus, what are the days
that have to be filled? Have a Yamim
Shlaimim. It's 30 days.
I mean, what
What days do you need to complete
a month? Because sometimes a month has
29 days. So, sometimes has to be
completed.
Says the Gemara,
Why Why just because Ad Milois Hayamim?
Till the days that need to be completed.
How do you know that's a month? Maybe
it's a week. Ve'eima Shabbos. Maybe it's
Shabbos.
So, the Gemara says, "I can't be Shabbos
Me'ika Hasirusa?" Is Shabbos lacking
anything that it needs to be completed?
Says Tosfos, "Ve'eima Shabbos Shabbos
Memalei Hashavua."
Shabbos
Meaning, Shabbos completes the week.
So, the Gemara says,
What do you mean it completes it?
There's nothing missing about the week
that Shabbos needs to complete. Me'ika
Hasirusa, says Tosfos. "Hakol Me'ushavua
Shlaimim Be'Shabbos."
All the weeks are completed with
Shabbos.
But months, some are whole and some are
Chasar.
So, the Gemara says,
Go to
Zayin Amud Aleph. In mine, you have to
turn it over. Ve'eima Shanah.
Maybe it's a year, because a year is
sometimes missing. A year Tosfos says,
"Ve'eima Shanah She'tzu'cha Lemalei's."
You need to fill up the year.
Department
here schnag, department schnad,
department schna. Sometimes the year is
353,
sometimes it's 354,
sometimes it's 355.
Says the Gamara, "No,
because we don't count years by days."
Says Gamara, "Me manina liyame."
We don't Do we count it by days?
Varabana de Kesaria Ami, the rabbis of
Kesaria said, "Minain shein moinen yamem
lashon. How do you know we don't count
days for years? Shenemar, lekhodshe
hashana,
by the months
of the year."
Khadash emkhazen lashon of layam mashon,
we count
months
for a year and not days for a year.
Says Tosafos, second line, "Me maninan
shana liyamen?
Do we count a year by days? Hakhak siv
admaloise.
Let's see how they
finagle the Gersa here.
Maloise hayomem
khoidesh hu demanina liyamen. It's a
month that's counted by days.
Me shamakh yamina debishloishim shel
khodesh airekra. Therefore, we say we're
talking about the 30 days of the month
of aloi lashana. We don't count
Month is counted by days, so Maloise
hayomem could be how we fulfill a month,
but we don't use days as a building
block for years.
>> Even though by by what they are called,
right? We said
yamem means a year.
>> The year, the word yamem means it means
a year, but now the question is
admaloise hayomem
>> Almost that's why they are specifically
12 months
and not 1 year.
>> Here we're trying to explain Maloise
Hayamin.
Days are completing something. Days only
complete months. Days don't complete
years. Years are not looked at as
building blocks of days. They're looked
at as building blocks of months. Earlier
on when we were dealing with Batay Arei
Chaimah,
that was regarding the Nazir Oilam,
right? By Avshalom, we say that he he
shaved his head miyamim yamimah.
So, it was the annually.
Right? But but it doesn't mean 2 days.
The Gemara says because part of the
gzairah shavah was because of the
heaviness.
So, the hair doesn't get heavy after 2
days.
Okay, that is Vava Meitzia for you.
That is
That is what did we just learn?
Vava Meitzia, yeah.
Today's Tuesday, right?
Okay, shoo. Okay, so we did it this
week. And then next week, what day is it
in San Diego? It's also Tuesday? How
does it work over there?
Yeah?
It's Monday there? What's same?
Okay, have a good night everyone.
Shkoyach.
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