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Okay, good evening friends. Continuing
inf
let's start again from three lines from
the bottom
says we learned in Mishna let's just
review we have a between and
is of the opinion nazerus is a
full-fledged 30 days he learns it out
from the word ya which is a gamatria and
the eon share we brought the rush says
gumatria
is not one of
then
says no it's an legitimate method of
hermeneutic exesis it's a legitimate
method of dasha
uh and therefore all procedures needs to
take place on day 31 however
subscribes to the principle of
part of a day is called that's the
opinion of ramas bar learns about
from the fact that it says
29 times. He holds fundamentally says 29
days. However,
he holds as a gazer
to a case where you said 30 full days.
[clears throat] Excuse me. You need to
count 30 days and do the procedure on
day 31. However, if you did it on day
30, it would be good.
Does not subscribe to the principle of
okay, that's where we're holding. We're
going to start again from hey, three
lines from the bottom
nazeros.
one who dedicated himself to take upon
himself three periods of nazirus.
He shaves the first time on day 31 which
seems straight up like that is 30 days
and you do the procedure on day 31
and then the second procedure on day 61.
Now at first glance that's hard to
understand because if you need 30 full
days
then
and then you do the procedure on day 31.
So day 31 does it count even? Maybe you
need to start
uh the procedure on maybe you need to
start the second of zeros on day 32
finish on day 61 and do the procedure on
day 62. But no uh the garra says of
according to this is all fine and good.
Why the first ner is 30 days. You do the
procedure on day 31. Day 31 will also
count as the first day of the second
set.
So according to this is all fine and
good.
But according to bar who says and say is
29 days it's it's difficult because why
do you do the procedure on day 31 you
should do the procedure on day 30 now as
pointed out we already asked this
question and we already answered that in
the world of bara it's a gazer
to a case where you said I need to do 30
days schllayman
but asis pointed out we the garra dar
is to reiterate points that it made
earlier. If there's a slight kadesh
and what is the slight kadesh?
We'll see that even subscribes to mix
as we're about to see
responds.
Bar responds
responds
tell me the
If you shaved for the first series on
the 30th day,
you could shave for the second ner on
day 60. Now that off the bat supports
bar because that indicates that
ner could be 29 days and you could shave
on day you could cut your hair on day 30
and then again on day 60. So this is
definitely a a toa
that it's okay to do it on day 30. So
RPA says now that we got that out of the
way that I have a support
the supports.
So what's the in the according to that
you need to do it on the 31st day
the is talking about where
it's not we said we had this uh already
it's
where's the
changes the gear the
it's treated
as if you said
meaning we have to make
less you say I need to do uh 30 full
days
okay it's it's treated as if he said I
need to do 30 full days so that's why
you need to shave on day 31 [snorts] so
asa. Okay. So the safa supports
because it says if you do it on the day
30 it works.
So says
it's a question on the safa. Why?
Because the safa says that if you did
the shaving on day 30 it's sufficient.
But how does that fit in to ra
the says you need uh it's okay to do the
gil on day 30
why says garnas
would say
that the reason for the safa of why you
could
uh do the shaving on day 30 the explains
Because the 30th day counts for this and
for that. Meaning the 30th day is
day 30 and
it's also the first day of the next
cycle.
It's
Let's see. Tyus
Tyus. Now, the Tyus, the Tyus looks a
little daunting on this page, but
luckily the daf only allows us to do
certain tyus, you know. So, the ones
that we're going to be reading now are
from
that it says if you shave for the first
time on the 30th day, it's okay.
You see that you could be on day 30
the
it explains
the 30th day counts for this and for
that per now the Maharav Ranchberg now
takes out the next 18 words. Okay, he
just makes a small ammendation in the
text of Tyus. You know, [laughter]
usually, you know, the Bach will change
one or two words. Here he takes out one,
two, three,
23 words. The Marav Ranchberg takes out
the next 23 words of
he replaces it with different words and
they read as follows. If you look in
Ranchburg, he says,
"If you shave, if you cut your hair the
first time on day 30
because for the third day, you could say
part of it helps for the first
need 31 days
the duration says 30 days
like we answer in the
why do you shave the second time on the
60th day
30 works for
the beginning of the
Just like anyone who wakes up in the
middle of the day and says, "I want to
be a that that day counts."
It comes out that the 30th day
is the beginning of the second.
Therefore, listen carefully. It's not
only you could shave on day 60. Now you
could shave on day 60 if you cut your
hair on day 30
once you did that but it's also it's day
30 and it's day one. So therefore day 60
is day 60 is day 31 of the second cycle
even
okay
now
the garra has a kasha
the garra continues
what's the logic over here in the logic
is
that part of a day is like a whole
We already taught that once. We already
taught that from an earlier part of the
Mishna.
The earlier part of the Mishna says that
if you shave on day 30, it's it works.
Why? because oft. So now all of a
sudden, good morning America, we have
this new case that if you accepted two
nazerus
and you shave on day 30, you could it
works and then you could shave again on
day 60. And the mix
what? This is a big discovery. We
already we already revealed that already
revealed it. Um
we already taught that once.
Look back in
[snorts]
my
what's the teaching me?
We learned that from the earlier part of
the Mishna. It's taught.
It says if someone accepts upon himself
ner shaves on the 31st day
if he cut his hair on the third day.
to which the Gmorra answers no
I might have thought
when do we say that's one period of
nazir so if a guy accepted upon himself
and he said
then if he shaved on the 30th day it's
effective why because
now you want to you want to have it both
ways you want to have your cake and eat
it
but to say that day 30 counts as the
30th day of the first cycle and the
first day of the second cycle you want
to pull mix in both directions I would
say not
then in the world of
could work in both ways okay
from the ratio all I see is that part of
the 30th day it works for
But for two
like
that, you're going to count the
beginning of the 30th day
for the end of the first and then and
then you want it to work as the first
day of the second Nazir. Maybe not fine.
So far so good. Yeah. Ellie, you're
good. It's good. The reason I'm picking
on Ellie because that's my brother's
name. So he's, you know, I'm giving him
favoritism. Fine. There we go.
Tan inimas.
Okay. We learned in the Mishna.
This is just we're continuing to quote.
If you shaved on the 59th day, on the
60th day minus one, you're
why?
Because the 30th day counts.
What does it mean? The 30th day counts.
Again, we're talking about a guy. He
accepted two Nazeras.
He ended the first one on day 30 and now
on the second one at day 31. We had
in the previous case
the safa.
What was it? What did we learn in the
you do the second one?
Why? Because
is day one. The the 30th day is count
could count as day 30 of the first
Nazirus. It could count as day one of
the second Nazirus. It's over on day 59
and you'll cut your hair on day 60. But
what if you did it on day 59? So now
what you're doing is you're using mixam
kakuli three times.
You're shaving on day 30 because
that this little bit of day 30 is the
30th day. You now start on that very
day, day one of the next cycle. So
that's to the next cycle. And then on
day 59, which is the 30th day, you're
using once again,
which should work.
Now according to this is great
subscribes to mix it doesn't matter how
many times
but why does it work?
Now
according to I understand not only I
understand the and I understand the
logic. The logic given is
day 30 counts
as the 30th day of the first cycle and
the first day of the second cycle. But
according to
how do you read this?
Why does need to count? But according to
you only need 29 days.
Look at the lion of the bry. The bry
seems to say or the Mishna seems to say
day 30 counts for the cycle. What do you
mean it counts for the cycle? According
to that's great. You need it to count
for day 30. But according to you don't
need it to count for day 30. You only
need 29 days.
This wording this expression is not
correct.
Why does it have to count as a 30th day?
>> That's our doesn't hold of mix.
>> Correct.
>> So you're you're asking or answering.
>> So then the 30th day doesn't count as
the first day.
the 30th day
>> according to bara doesn't count as the
first day
>> well bara may may subscribe to mix
kakuli in the beginning just not in the
end right so but the lush of the Mishna
is it counts as the 30th day well in the
world of bara it doesn't need to count
as the 30th day because you only need 29
days let's see how to understand the
question
The needed to go and say
the third day counts for this and for
that.
The first shaving was on the 30th day.
Uh what is that? Gimmel going on.
He takes out the word Shatimsa. Marav
Ranchberg takes out the wordimsa.
One more time. According to Masa, it's
good. The Tana needed to go out and say
that the 30th day counts for this
direction and that direction. The first
cutting of the hair was on the 30th day.
And the the second cutting of the hair
was on the 59th day when the nazerus
of 30 days finished from the time he
shaved the first time.
He has to explain how could you shave on
day 30 and day 20 and day 59. The answer
is because day 30 counts as the last day
of the first cycle and the first day of
the second cycle.
But according to why would you have to
say that the nazerus
of the 30th? Why would you have to say
day 30 counts this way and that way? It
doesn't need to count for the first
cycle. You only need to observe 29 days.
I'm sorry.
Why was the Tana so lengthy and gave a
reason for his words?
The whole cutting in the air was on day
30 and of course it works. You don't
need some kind of fancy lus why it works
because the 30th day counts for this way
and for that way. No, the optimal time
to cut your hair is day 30. you because
Nazir is only 29 days. Of course, we
tell you to do day 31. That's for an
outside gazer, but fundamentally you
could cut your hair on day 30.
You don't need a fancy logic why you're
allowed to cut your hair on day 30.
According to Ra, you need a fancy logic
why you could cut your hair on day 30.
Mix in both directions. So that's why
the Tana went out of his way to supply
the day 30 counts this way and that way.
But in the world of there's no fancy
logic that you need to explain why it's
effective if you cut your hair on day
30. That's the optimal time to do it.
It's true. We ask you to wait one more
day because of for an outside concern,
but we don't need this whole long long-
winded explanation. You know, there's a
rule in life that if you don't need to
say something, don't say it.
Let's say um let's say if anyone here
just had right when you get up to speak
don't tell people what you are going to
say. No it's bad enough you're
subjecting them to what you are going to
say. They don't need to hear what you
were going to say or you were thinking
about saying. So why would the Tana need
to give this whole explanation in the
world of bara? Of course you could shave
on day 30.
So says the gar
would say no no no
I was also reliant on this.
This is where I based my opinion upon
that fundamentally you could shave on
day 30. Huh?
This is where I inferred the
duration of is 29 days
because it says day 30 counts.
It doesn't mean it counts toward the
first cycle. It means the
don't think what the Tana meant
is that it works for the first cycle and
the second cycle
means it counts toward the second cycle.
And this is where I derive that
30 days means it's only 29 days.
It that that means
The rash changes it from Ella
again.
From here I infer
it just doesn't counter the four first
cycle.
Make boy.
Um,
the Tana, excuse me, you have to put in
the world word.
The Tana is not so lenient.
Yeah, the words are saying that Tana is
so lenient to allow it to work in both
ends. But they they changed the ga to
make you know you see how difficult is
without rashi. You see the abundance of
many many manyo
that have to be added and just to get
through the the tus over here. Okay,
fine. We're almost done. We're almost
done. Okay, this is one of the harder
pages here.
Tan. So basically what the isra is
saying is even though at first glance
the words the 30th day counts seems to
indicate that it counts toward the first
minion which supports rama
is not just the opposite. It means it
counts toward the second one. And from
here he deres that really ner
fundamentally is 29 days.
We learned in the Mishna again same
Mishna
somebody says behold I'm you ready this
is a a great case
and then then he became on the 30th day
the is that if you become while you're
still counting the basic nazeros days it
disrupts the entire nazeros and you have
to count again as opposed to if you
became tame after you fulfilled your
nazeros You don't have to count again.
Okay? So if somebody became tame on day
10, he has to count again. Somebody
became nazer on day 28, he has to count
again. Somebody became nazer on day 29.
Everybody would agree has to count
again. But if you became nazer on day
30, presumably Barbad would say you
already did your time. You wouldn't have
to it wouldn't be wouldn't demolish your
but here we have a says here
He became on day 30.
It destroys and demolishes everything.
This is understandable according to Masa
because on day 30 he's still counting
his time.
Now you say, "What do you mean?"
True. That's only if youap and you bring
the carbon. But if you didn't bring the
carbon yet, then you're still counting
your nazerus. You're not exercising
because if you came to me on the 30th
day, but you already did your time. It
was over on day 29. The only reason to
continue to observe the Nazeros is only
because of a decree to maybe you said 30
full days but it's it's not going to it
shouldn't demolish the whole period of
Nazerus since you already fulfilled your
time in okay this question is simple
take a look
it's one two
11 lines from the bottom we only have to
do like a couple lines
is difficult both in the first statement
of this Mishna and the second one. We
didn't even see the second one yet, but
let's see.
Why
does this demolish the 30th day?
Whether you became tummy on the 30th day
or you became on day 101. We'll see what
that means.
You completely fulfilled your vow.
See? So what do you mean? Maybe it
demolishes the nazirus rabbitically
since rabbitically you need to observe
30 days. So maybe if he became tummy on
the 30th day.
No.
One second.
This wouldn't work out because of a
factor we're going to see coming up.
And the answer is will be revealed
that is
okay.
Okay. Have a good night everyone.
Thank you.
>> Thank you Rob. Okay.
Good night.