Daf Hashavua - Nazir 14a

This Torah class is brought [music] to you by tora anytime.com. Okay, good evening everyone. We're continuing infra had the following sh. Somebody says I'm going to be in Nazer in 20 days. Meanwhile, I'll take upon myself a 100 day Nazeros, right? I think I mentioned a couple of times I get a kick out of this guy. This guy really I'm I want to meet this guy who came up with this plan of starting Nazerus in 30 days in 20 days a regular Nazer and meanwhile he'll do a 100 day nazerus how in the world he can get 100 days into 20 days that's exactly the dilemma that was rail do we say well he can't get 100 days into 20 days so he's not he's not going to start yet or do we say no he'll count 20 days he'll do 30 and then he'll do another >> [snorts] >> So the garra says why do we have to come up with such such a convoluted case? Just say very simply the guy says in 20 days I'll take on regular nazerus. Meanwhile I'll do regular nazerus in these meaning in 20 days I'll start a 30-day nazerus and right now I'll do a 30-day nazerus. He obviously won't be able to do 30 days in those 20 days. So he'll do 20 of them now and maybe 10 later. >> [snorts] >> or maybe not. So the garra says why don't we have a shil about a smaller says no one question the other question he asked meaning one on top of the other. What does it mean one on top of the other? ask if you're going to say about a smaller Nazeros who did train [snorts] since there there are 10 days left right the way you read it as since there are 10 days remaining they're not going to count meaning um he's not going to count 20 days in order to finish up 10 days later because 10 days is so in insignificant. So we say those 10 days don't count. So we assume he doesn't start the before the 20 days. So then then for sure for 100 days he'll have 80 days in the end that that would be counted and therefore he'll start immediately the 20 days. He'll then interrupt it for 30 days and be mashed the other days. In other words, the Shila of a guy who says I'll start in a in 20 days. Meanwhile, I'll observe 100 days was based on a previous Shila. The previous Shila is a guy who says, "I'm going to observe a Nazir in 20 days and now I'll do 30 days." And if you say in that case, he would not start observing now because he'll only be remaining with 10 days after. What would you say about somebody who says I'll keep a 100 days now because then he'll have a consequential nazer after namely of 80 days. [snorts] So that was the shila that raba askedim and even if you're going to say that a 100 days will take will devolve. Now what about somebody says what if somebody says now I what if somebody says I'll be a after 20 days but now I'm going to be a presumably this means a permanent nazer we learned that a permanent nuzer could shave his hair every 12 months as opposed to Nazer is just he's always going to be a nazer and he can never shave his head. So if a guy says in 20 days I'll be a nazer and now I'll do 100 days. If you're going to say that 100 days areal now and he'll start it and the rest will take effect later. What would you say about a guy who says I'll take ner in 20 days meanwhile I'm [snorts] on that the garra says if you're going to say that over here since someone could matter then of so therefore he'll I'm sorry. Since it's possible to be m the 30 days, in other words, what the guy say? The guy says, "In 20 days, I'll be a nazer a nazer for 30 days. Meanwhile, I'll be so if you say, okay, well, let him start the nazeram because you never know the 30-day nazer will start in 20 days. He could go to and be and he won't even have to interrupt the nazam." So if you're going to say that the now because he could always undo the nazer in 30 days. [clears throat] What if what if somebody says I'll be a shimshine after 20 days [clears throat] of and now I'm going to be a nazeram maybe in that case the he won't observe because you can't be m you're stuck with it your whole life you need to be very careful do not wake up in the morning and say you know I'm having a really good day I'm going to another I don't even want to say the last word. Don't ever say even as a joke that you want to be a nazer shim and I don't want to finish up the statement because if you accept your upon yourself ner shimshine that is a lifelong decision [snorts] there's no ad of it there's no add of the naz shimshine now we have someus to do the tyus begin the final words on coming says the holyis [snorts] first namely I'll be a nazer in 20 days and in the meantime in the meantime I'll be a nazer and after that he had a sh about a longer asim even if you're going Since 10 days alone, these 10 days will not count [snorts] to be them after the 20 days. to join up with the original 20 because those 10 days are not fit by themselves and that's why he wouldn't want to interrupt it but rather the first 20 days he wants them to be vacant this way he could drink wine and become even [snorts] if you're going to say that he will not start observing a 30-day nazerus. Maybe he will start observing a 100 day nazerus. Why? because by the 100 day he'll be able to have 80 days afterwards [snorts] because if 20 days he'll still be left with 80 days after 30 days they're fit for by themselves and they'll join up Well, for those 20 days [snorts] to make 100 days, he'll count 20 days. Then he'll count 30 days and he'll bring a carbon. Then he'll count 80 days to be the original 100 days. He'll bring a carpet sucker and he won't be mbed for being mafic in the nazer or maybe the original 100 days he doesn't start observing it because he cannot complete 100 days. Believe me, I would love to do 100 days and 20 days. I'm still trying to figure that one out. But it's impossible to do 100 days in 20 days. You can't even do 21 days in 20 days. [snorts] If you leave your phone out of the shul, at least you'll be maximizing your time. You know, if you keep your phone on you, the more you keep your phone on you, you won't even have 20 days. I don't know if I ever mentioned that one before. Also, my battery was about to go, so I needed to, you know, to segue onto that go-to topic, but it's true. Anyway, um, probably when he accepted the original 20 days, probably when he said, I'll do a 100 days, he meant the first 20 days will be vacant to drink wine. Then he'll do 30 and then he'll do 100 days. Okay. We could skip a couple lines ofis but not that much. Okay. Um, next you see now like I said I was going according to the garam to say [snorts] the is if you're trim your hair with a razor and bring three carbon However, what's the ma is it? Why? How do you explain this question? Why would it or would it not? So let's see twice. If you're going to say whether you accept a 30 days or 100 days, you start counting because once you get up to 20 days and then it's not such an interruption. [snorts] us. If you're very important, if you accept now, then your 30-day nazeros is a completely different brand of Nazeros. You're going to be segueing from one Nazeros to a categorically different brand of Nazeros. you might not want to do it. You see, if you accepted a 100 day nazerus and you started it and then you interrupted for a 30-day nazerus, it's fundamentally the same brand of nazerus. Just one is longer than the other. As opposed to if it's a nazerus, nazeram is just a completely different monster of nazeros. It's not a nazerum at all. And he doesn't he doesn't start the at all until he completes his nazer. And in the first 20 days, he would be allowed to drink wine. And [snorts] maybe you'll still say now when day 20 comes, and he'll be able to shave. Now you say what? He's a nazer. How could he shave? The says according to the Omar that aeram could shave after 30 days. There different opinions. By the way, here it's a noter. There is an opinion that if it's heavy, you could shave after 30 days. There is such an opinion. You're fit to start observing. The interruption will not be uh of value because the truth is you could always undo the nazir of 30 days and continue your Therefore, you would be as even if you don't end up [snorts] being 30 days says could have asked by the same token he could have said after 20 days I'll be a and now I'll be a regular could have flipped the the two the two nazeres [snorts] and now says and even if you're going to say well you could have always been mater of 30 days after 20 days after 20 days maybe now You could have been after 20 days without it being interrupted. But what if you say that you're you after day 20 are accepting shimshine [snorts] says here. You for sure cannot be that's after 20 days. So maybe [snorts] now the won't be in the beginning because he cannot complete in these 20 days. So therefore what he wants to do is he wants to be vacant to drink wine. Then he'll begin the nazer shimshine and then the stam nazer will be pushed off forever because there's no way to complete the nazer shimshine because he doesn't want to be mapsic his nazeras or maybe [snorts] in the end the regular nazirus isal in the first 20 days. Now it's true he won't be able to shave after 20 days because after 20 days in but maybe at least for the first 20 days the regular maybe he should need to observe as much as he possibly can. He's not going to shave interrupted because maybe he's maybe a guy is never mockbid about interrupting his nazer. [snorts] Now after all these shilas the garra seems to ask a most one of the most random shilas you could possibly come up with. Now I have to say [snorts] I've fielded my share of random shilas. Rabbi, oh you mentioned Hashem. I was just wondering, you know, because uh the other day Hashem said, well, wow, that's a really specific question on the you know, but listen to this question. This is Let's see if this one is connected. What if somebody said like on the seventh day of Adar? What in the world does that this guy mean? I mean as interesting as the guy who accepted a 100 day nazerus in 20 days. This guy is more interesting. A guy says he gets up he gives a dasha like Moshraenu on the seventh day of Adar. What what does that mean? Mosh Rabinu his birthday was on the seventh day of adar his yard is the seventh day of adar so on the one hand it's a happy day so the guy says I take upon myself like mushain on the seventh day of adar does he mean that he wants to make a kdosh and a day of celebration or does he mean he wants to uh he wants to mourn the patirau by accepting upon himself an azer what does guy mean who says like the like mosh ra on the seventh day of ad. [snorts] Now what in the world does this have to do with anything we mentioned here in any of or anything we said until now? Looks they rejoice greatly who rejoice greatly. Really? They rejoice greatly. It says [snorts] there was light. But who rejoiced? >> What? >> They also hid him right away. I don't think his parents were rejoicing. Vatit [snorts] I think we once discussed this in one of the most alltime controversial shirm called who loves you more your father or your mother um [snorts] you know we say on the other hand we say so by the way to answer that question as your father. But when was born on the day he died probably on the day Mosha died many people made and many people became they wanted to pull their hair out. They were so upset. Many people became nazu. And this guy said, "I'm going to be like on the day of." Do we say he's accepting or did he mean like the day Mos was born and he meant to make a birthday party? So the Garra says well regarding all these questions we could only come to [clears throat] a conclusion regarding one of them. We could bring a a resolution to the first question namely the if a guy says I'll be after 20 days and now I'll be in for 10 for 100 days he'll count 20 and then he'll count 30 I'm sorry and then he'll count 80 in order to complete the First Ner says and that's it. Just quotes it. Ah, now we're going to go back to our previous case. Remember a guy said, "I'll be a nazer here." Let's go back to the Mishna. I'll be a nazer and I'll be a ner when I have a son. So [snorts] the guy accepted upon himself stam nazerus also he said when I have a boy I'll be a nazer. So what happened? He starts counting his own. If he has a son he completes his nazerus and then he counts for his son. But if he says I'll be a nazer when I have a son and I'll be a nazer. He starts counting his nazerus. When he has a son he stops his nazerus dead in its tracks. He observes the nazerus for his son and then he goes back to his regular nazerus. What's the if he became tame during his son's nazerus? Meaning in the second case of the Mishna, he says when I have a boy, I'll be a nazer and I'll be a nazer. He started counting his own nazeros. And then [snorts] he had a baby and he started counting the nazeros for his son. And while he's counting the 30 days for his son, he comes into contact with a dead body. So the is when you become as the original days fall away. So do we say okay let's say like this [snorts] the guy says when I have a baby boy I'm going to be a a nauseier and I'll be a nause. So he starts counting his own as zero. let's say 20 days and then he has a baby boy. So he started counting I don't know seven days for his baby boy. He then became tummy. The seven days he counted for his baby boy are done. They have to be uh started over. But does he also have to do over the 20 days that he counted for himself? Yeah. says the Gomorrah. It's a guess. You know, I feel has to we need to give Raban extra extra attention this week cuz he had all these people assaulting Raban last week with um you know this so-called that So they like to say this fluffy fluffy nutter that the the the people who speak positively they're rabbi but the no no they're just they're not our rabbis they're not part of our mess excuse me that that is you know so anyway I heard from very big people it's it's forbidden to say that over Anyway, so we have to give Raban his due his due credit after parak. Anyway, I just thought I might mention that says when you become not only does it do the nazer of your son, it undoes your own. I'm sorry. Says it doesn't undo it. It's one longer says it does not undo it. Why? His Nazeros is separate and his son's nazer is separate. The fact that he became tame and it undo the nazir for his son but his nazir is standing [snorts] says the holyis it's going back on the he interrupts says he starts to count for sonish according to the is when you start counting for your son [snorts] that If you became in the times of your son, it does not undo your your own [snorts] says it is. That's only if you interrupted it and you left your in middle. You're middle of counting yours. Because then when your son, why? Because you didn't finish yours. You You only counted 20 days. Let's say you would have counted 30 days and then your son was born. [snorts] It would not undo your own counter says it's only but in the case of the listen carefully let's say a guy said I will be a nazir and I'll be a nazer when I have a son where he observes nazerus first for himself. And when he finishes observing the for himself, he counts for his son. [snorts] Everybody would agree. It doesn't unseat the 30 days that you counted for yourself and it only undoes because you already shaved for your 30 days says it's one long because he's not shaving. Think about it. He said when I have a kid I'll be a nazer and I'll be a nazer. So he started counting his own azerus and after 20 days he had a kid and then he started counting for his um for his kid. He doesn't shave until he finishes his own and his son who I made. He's in the middle of the nazir. But what if the what if what would have happened is like this. [snorts] He would have observed 20 days for himself, 30 days for his son. And in the middle of the 10 extra days for him, then he becomes tame. It only undoes his naz. It doesn't undo the son. Okay? And even though that was like a pretty big page of tyus, we did it. We will uh I'll see you tomorrow night 9:15. Have a wonderful night. >> Good night. >> Recording stopped. You've just experienced [music] another Torah class brought to you by to anytime.com.