Daf Hashavua - Nazir 12a

Yeah. >> Okay. Welcome everyone. We're continuing in with Saka Nazir tonight which is quite a page and we begin the newsman. Today is the second day after there's a great revelation of the the 12 days after correspond to the 12 days of the year 12 months of the year and whatever limud or one has during this time sets the tone for the whole year as hashem should be a good sim for sha sha mala Okay. Somebody says to his agent say, "Go ahead and marry a woman. Who do you want? Tall, short, a basy, what do you want?" He says, "No specifications. She just has to be a Jewish woman. is the isser to all women in the world. Why? Because we need to presume there's a presumption that a fulfilled his messengerhip. So we have to assume that he married this guy to some woman and the only thing is the mashik has no idea uh who this person is since the did not say which woman to marry the uh has no idea who he married for him. Therefore, uh he can't marry anybody. Why not? Cuz whoever he marries might be a relative of who the male married him off to. Now, it has to be that this male never came back cuz if he came back then why don't we could ask him, okay, who would you marry the who' you marry the male off to? He would have said sprinty or yenti whatever he would have said who but it's talking about where he didn't come back. Now that's why the bach adds those are two very important words that are omitted and our didn't even realize it's omitted. you need the Bach because without the Bach it's uh it doesn't make uh any sense why would he be user to everybody in the world actually they attribute to the al but I think it comes from other sources that when we say in the love on bikes or es how did how did loan want to destroy everything well love was very smart he tried to poison is an Eleazar. What was Elazar? Elazar Aram said, "Go marry off Yitzk to a woman." Which woman? No details were given. So Yitzk would then be user to all women in the world. And then Yakov never would have came to be. So love. How? By trying to poison Eleazar. That's a very nice lambshhat and for love. So that's this fine that was this is the teaching of Lakish asked on from a Mishna inimbishna if we're talking about if a pair of birds have to be brought for a process of becoming tahar Consusuma. Let's say you had a nest meaning two birds and unspecified. So that means you didn't designate one of them needs to be for an one of them needs to be but you didn't designate it. The toy says by the way the first to deals with a very interesting question. Why if if a you send a to marry a woman stam then why is to marry anybody why don't we say nobody could get married anymore because the woman that you're marrying might be an asas she might be the woman that that married her off to somebody else in other words if someone sends a stam that should destroy all Jewish weddings. How could anyone ever get married? Maybe the woman you're married was already so women are believed to say I was never married. Okay, that's fine for a gdilla. What about a katana? Katana has no idea if her father was mabaka kaducian for her. So, Toya says something very interesting. Toys says even this guy is allowed to get married. Why? Because we follow the ro is that I can marry this woman. She's probably not related to the woman that the married me off to. So why am I user? I'm als but that kas is only applicable to says to the mishak not to everybody else in the world. That'sus's very interesting approach and that's what makes the stronger than the road. We'll follow. Yeah. So, Tyus asks, "What do you mean?" It's you have one woman in the world that's because she's an Asia. Why don't we say like in says this is not a why not? It's only so when the isicker by itself but if it's not by itself we don't say so only therefore for the guy him for the guy himself for everybody else excuse me we're make because it's will follow the ro the kv is only I guess are not going to be to ruin every single marriage in the But on the guy as a will be okay. So what's the shila? We're basically said that if you send out a and he dies, you're user to all the women in the world because they might be related to the woman that the married you to. So here we have this suma. It was not designated which is for an which is for says a all these bring and zava. Susuma means a we didn't he didn't specify which is for an if it's a meaning he said which is an which is a it would have to be speak at length okay which bird flew away the or the katas. So therefore, it kept it simple and it said one of them flew away. The reason why I picked a case of because it could just say one of them flew away or let's say it flew among carbon that you have to leave out to die. Why do the leave out to die? for whatever reason it can't be brought. We'll see. Maybe the owner died or maybe um it became a balum. So now this susuma you didn't designate which one is an which one is a and it got mixed up. either flew away or it flew among or if let's say one of the birds just stom died. So in this case, what's the take? You're going to take a mate for the second one. What does it mean? You're going to take a mate. you have one bird from the original set, you have to add a second one. Uh, and since it was unspecified, it's okay. You could add a second one. But that's by But if it was designated and now you don't know, meaning you designated one for one for a and one of them flew away or one of them went among or one of them died. You don't know which one. Then there's no rectification. There's no rectification for however but that's every other let's say nest in the world would be good. What does that mean? The Mishna is talking about let's say the first bird that remains. So if it's a Kafuras, there's no way to rectify that first uh bird. If it's anes, you could rectify it. But other birds in the world, in other words, the other birds in the world that are flying around, we don't have to we don't have to be. In other words, let's say you have a random bl bird flying around. What do we do? This bird, this bird, it might be the bird that escaped from the Kureshas. Maybe it's an maybe it's a kas. In other words, how could you take stam bird? Let's say you need a bird and there's a bird flying around. Could you take that bird? Why would you be able to take that bird? That bird might be uh a bird that flew away from the uh a kan susuma from the excuse me from the kmures. It seems like it's only the kifures has no takana but the other birds in the world that are flying around have a takana. So why don't we say that just like the guy is not to marry any woman in the world because the woman that he marries might be related to the unknown woman that he's married to. Why don't we say you can't just take a bird in the in the velarin? Why don't we say that it might be the bird that was designated for an oras or according to that it's a uh good according to that really we follow a roy and it's only user for the person cuz he did an avla by sending a then why should we answer all birds in the called. So apparently you have to say that the kas would apply in in this case also. Why? We'll see. Uh first of all, welcome back Dr. Klein. We missed you. But um well it has to be that whatever said in the case of the would have to apply by the case of the birds. Why? I think we're going to have to see a little here that's not authorized. Let's go a little further and twice this while we say maybe the one that fell flew away. It was already established for Ruain's animal. This is your kasha. I thought the same way we don't say that someone in the world is now to get married because this woman might be married to someone else. So then this bird should be able to be used. We shouldn't beesh that we shouldn't be that it's a bird that's designated for a carbon. So says when when we say that all the bird all other birds in the world are okay that's mashma even to the guy himself who let a bird escape and that was negligent of him to let a bird escape. So at least to him meaning we're not asking about a random guy shouldn't be able to take a bird. We're asking about Ruvane who let the birds escape. We should How dare you let the birds escape misgun it's rectified even for if he needs one bird we should the same way we him by He didn't guard his birds. Everybody knows if you bring birds to the base of mdash you got to guard your birds. Why don't we say that he can't just take a random bird? Because uh maybe it's the bird of his that escaped. So I would have said maybe tak we do taka for that guy weas him that he can't take a random bird where do we see otherwise it seems like from the lion of the Mishna that says uh from the weak we say that implies even for the guy himself. Okay, says Gomorrah said back to I'm talking about a lady. She doesn't move. Therefore, what? We can't just rely on the what do we need to say? We'll say and you're talking about a bird that moves. Let's see. The woman doesn't move. What does that mean? The issha doesn't move. The married the woman and we're worried that you can't marry any lady because she might be related to the woman who the married. When the went to the woman, the went to the woman. You know what a what's a case of kava doa kava doa is if someone went into a store and bought meat let's say there are nine kosher stores there's one tra store and the guy went into the store and bought the meat in the store and now he doesn't know what store he bought it from that's because it's coming from a hak in the case of the kaducian the guy went and married the woman in her domain in her place of station. So that should be now >> place like >> like her house like her house. He presumably went to her house. So you say maybe he met her in a restaurant. >> Is that equivalent to the store? Her house is equivalent to the store because look look in the garra the garra says and if you're going to say what do you mean we ask her the woman even in a case where she's moving because maybe he found her in the marketplace and he married her there so then we should allow the to work and the roy does not work. We ask her all the women in the world. Why? Don't say it's because it's because maybe he met her in in a restaurant. Don't say the bird is different because what was the case of the bird? The bird escaped. And now we're afraid that if you take a bird, that bird is the bird that was already designated for a different carbon. Well, that's because the bird was never stationary. The bird you you separated two birds. It was a K uh um you designated them and but that's any other bird that you would take would be uh would be acceptable. So again the Gar says if you're going to say here also by the woman she's moving because maybe you found her in the market and he married her. No, there even though she could be on the move ultimately she goes back to her house after you married her. She goes back to her kios but in the case of a bird the bird is always on the move. The bird is fully nighs. At least in a case where you find her in the marketplace, at least at least in that case, you should have said that you could marry her. Why? Because in that case, At least in that case it shouldn't be it shouldn't be kav in a case where you uh went and married her in the marketplace. It's true if you married her in the home that would be an obvious difference between kaducin and the birds. But in a case where you married her in the marketplace then that should be that should be analogous to the bird. So and if we ask her in the case of the woman we should ask her in the case of the bird. So saying no by the woman at least she returns back to the as opposed to the case of the birds. Look inus the dummy. It's similar to kava. It's not mish kava the case of the woman. If you say the case is where you married her in the market, it's not actually but it's dummy. So that's the um difference between why said that if you send a and he dies your because even if he married her by the way what would the case be where he married her um in the marketplace? How would you know the guy died? How would you know he married her in the marketplace? I don't really understand the Gumar's question. If you look in Tysonis says in a case where you found her in the marketplace. What do you mean in a case? We have no idea. The guy died. I don't really understand that. In other words, if you ask if you learn the kasha, why don't we assume to be lenient that that's where he married her? Then I could understand. But the way to learn that is saying at least in that case we should say that it's mut. What do you mean at least in that case? We have no idea what the case is. The died. Okay, that's the opinion of Raban. Now's based on the fact that if you send the he might have married you off to a woman and now if you marry any other woman that woman might be the the mother or the daughter of the woman you're married to. In other words, what are we worried about? Y uncle sends barl. You're my marry me to ana. Any other any other preferences? No. A Jewish nikva nava is And then the guy drops dead. He has a very nice Leva. Three Russian Yeshiva from the areas him. The problem is he was the male now cannot marry anyone. Why? Because any woman he marries might be the mother of this of his wife. Now if the woman has no children then there's noash. Also the woman might be the daughter of any woman he marries might be the daughter of his wife. If the the woman has no children and no parents then he should be allowed to marry her. Also no sisters. In other words, if the woman that you want to a simple would be marry a woman who doesn't have relatives said a woman that has no daughter and granddaughter, daughter's daughter or son's daughter a no mother a no grandmother also no sister. the now in all these cases you're allowed to marry the woman I what would have been if the woman had a sister when you sent the and then the even if at the time you sent the woman had a sister And let's say like this. You sent Barl to marry you to a woman and at the time there was a sister but the sister was married. So there's no shash that the sister was married. Now what are we worried? Anybody you might marry, if you marry a woman, you she might be the sister of your wife. This in other words, let's say uh you meet the never comes back. So you know the never returns and you meet a woman and you say, "Hey lady, do you have a sister?" And she says, "Actually, I had a sister and say, how long ago?" When you sent out the to get married and what was her status then? She was married. She was married at the time that the was sent out and she was divorced after that lady is Mut. You can marry her. Why? because she can't she's not related to this secret wife. In other words, what are we worried about? Every single woman that you're going to marry might be the mother, the daughter, or the sister of your actual wife. You have no idea where your wife is. Your wife might be in Australia. Now, if you got if you you might actually meet your wife by accident. You might marry your wife again, but you also might marry her mother. So if if this woman doesn't have any daughters, so you're definitely not marrying the mother of your wife. Maybe I'm marrying the daughter of my wife. If this woman you're marrying doesn't have a mother and doesn't have a do a daughter, but what if she has a sister? What if the woman you're marrying has a sister? Well, maybe that sister is your wife. No. So, the is that even if the woman who you're marrying now had a sister at the time you sent out a and then was the sister was divorced after the is that you're allowed to marry this woman. I. But maybe she's the sister of the woman that you married. No, it can't be because the woman that that uh because it can't she can't be the sister of the woman you married cuz the sister was married at the time that you sent out the take a look at. Say you appointed and by all of her relatives that this was to her from her. >> What? Yeah. meaning again per what is this going on even though she was divorced before the day of the kaducian. Rael is M to the M. Why? because it goes by the time that you appointed the in other words let's say you appointed the and at that time the sister was married and then afterwards the sister got divorced and the sister got divorced before the male married uh married you off to a woman it's mut What's the reason why it's mut? This is a very interesting case. Meaning, even if you had even if the woman you're marrying had a sister and she was married and she got divorced after the was appointed. So, you're allowed to marry this woman. Why? She cannot be she's not related to your wife. My listen carefully because when the told get me a wife at that moment this woman was married the kame. So he's only I'm sorry. I'm only making you a for something that's available at the time I point you what's not available. I'm not appointing a in other words like this. I tell the marry me a marry me to a woman. Then the guy dies and now you propose to a woman and you're wor wondering uhoh. I I'm scared I don't I'm not going to marry this woman Rael because Rael has a sister Leia and Leia might be my wife and I'm marrying my wife's sister. If Rael was married the day you appointed the even if she was divorced the next day there is no you're married to Leia. There's no if a Leia, in other words, if a Leia was married the day you appointed the even if she was divorced the next day, there's no you're married to Leia cuz you're only appointing a to marry you to a woman who's available on the day you appoint the little bit at first glance bizarre. Imagine I say marry me to anyone. So maybe Leia, no, Leia's married today. Yeah, but it's going to take you 5 days to get there. And by the time you got there, Leia was available. When Leia heard that I wanted to marry her, she she made sure to get a get from her from her wife, from her husband. You know, there's a Yiddish expression. It's really terrible. Don't ever say it over. You say the woman is dressed to the tea like when Mat went to get her get. What's the shot here? The husband's hacking the wife. You You never get dressed up. You You know, you look sloavvenly. You never look nice. And finally, the husband had it. He gives her a get. She comes to the best. She looks like a million bucks. It's a yiddishm. There's no other language that could capture that phenomenon. Okay, so that's what's going on over here. The mishak only appoints the to marry him off to a woman who's available that day. So if you met met a woman and she has a sister but that sister was married on the day that the male was appointed even if she got divorced after it's a valid um he could marry that woman. Okay. Why? >> Well, you know that he couldn't have done it that day because that was the day he was appointed. Right? In other words, if you know that on the day he was appointed, the sister was married, even if she got divorced later, so he could have married her, maybe he married me to that woman two days later. No, I never authorized him to do that. You only authorized someone to do something that he's able to do on the day of his original authorization. That's >> that's the least likely day that he'll do it. True. But I'm only empowering you to do what you're able to do when I empower you. That's the lumbness. Physically unable to do it. Even if he's physically unable to do it, >> even if he's as long as you can do it in different countries, then it would not it would not work. Have to travel. What would you >> he could it's um it's okay what >> so if I point a ro to sell my plummets and I'm not sure and he disappears and I want to know like so I don't know if my is sold so like so on that day that he was appointed so that I know that he did the job and he sold it to the guy >> no that's if you point someone to do something you could assume he did it >> and even though it's that day it's least likely that it did it on that day. Yeah. So now why did we bring in this whole to begin with one second we have to see I'm sorry my is not that you should marry to a woman that's divorced afterwards even if the guy married me to one of the relatives of Raaless. Meaning even if this married him off to one of the relatives of Rael is not user, why is not user? He never made him a for this. Now the gar feels that that a person only has in mind something that's standing in front of him. Therefore it asks on the What's the garra saying? Let's go back to our Mishna. This whole thing was an intro. this whole case, this entire discussion of and then the dies and the differentiation between that and the bird and that Raban said it doesn't apply if there's no relative or even if there is a sister but the sister was married at the time. It doesn't apply. The reason we brought this in is as a steer to the Mishna because the Mishna says Ruain says I am a and I have to take the responsibility to bring another Nazer's carbon and his friend here and I I have to be and I take the responsibility to bring someone else's says if they were smart they bring each other's carbon If they're not smart, they have to take responsibility for someone else's. If it's true that someone only has in mind what's in front of them, I understand the second guy could say, "And I take upon myself someone else's carbon." Cuz he heard the first guy say, "I'm a ner." But the first guy when he said I'm a nazer and I take upon myself someone's the responsibility of someone's carbon nobody had ever said they want to be a nause it's not going it's going to happen later it's going to happen later. So doesn't that show that when a person says something he does have in mind something that will happen later? So too when a person appoints a to marry a woman why can't that now marry him off to a woman who was divorced after the that's the that's this whole was an intro to this question look to my What is this night my timer going on? Um my oh my to have Okay. What would a case be where a person does not have a sister and now has a sister? I didn't have it shouldn't have said it should have said the reason it doesn't say is because the language in is different. That's interesting. Really it should say but it doesn't. It says very interesting. really we knew that he's she's married to a man now that she was divorced. Let's say we knew she was married but now we don't know. So since we don't know if she's married or not, why don't we answer her? The answer is because you don't appoint a something that's not possible at the moment. Only in something that he could do right now perish. It is certainly the mindset of a person even if it's not in front of him. Oh, is going on the answer on B. One second. Say is going on. I think this is going on the Gumar's answer on Ahmed B. and that we will see bes tomorrow. Okay. So, we'll hold it over here. So,