Daf Hashavua - Nazir 10a

Okay, good evening everyone. Welcome everyone to this year's dafishna. If somebody said parazu This cow said I'm af cows talk. This won't be the first talking cow. You remember in the we have a shir on Purim that there was a cow that they spoke to the cow. So here the cow is speaking to them. So a person said the cow said if I stand up or or this door said if I open now what in the world is going on? The guy thinks the cow is talking. You know we heard about talking fish in Williamsburg. I don't know about but maybe a cow. But what do you mean a talking door? What this means is like this. The guy is envisioning. He sees a cow. The cow is like lying down all heavy, all laden. And the guy, you see that cow? You know, if a cow could talk, the cow would say, "I'm a ner if I could stand up." The guy doesn't mean that the cow says it. What he really means is he is putting these words in the mouth of the cow. It's like he's saying it. He's saying if the cow stands where the guy's putting words in the in the in the mouth of the door says he's aeros. Now this is very similar to the previous Mishna where the previous Mishna the guy says I'm a ner from figs. Now that's an impossibility. The question is Bashame says let's endeavor to try to make sense out of what he's saying and B says no it's nonsense. So it's nothing happens. Um says he's a Nazer and similar to the previous kicks it and he says no even to B you're not a Nazer. He means if he makes a that he's not going to uh eat grapes or if he assers uh wine products even when said that there's an he only said it if he says in my medi the cow is user to me as a carbon if it stands up. So he's assering. This is not a nazerus. He's not saying that I'll be a nazer. He's saying it's I accept upon myself is on the cow. Meaning now. Okay. On the cow. Yeah. Now let us see. Pisces parazu this cow says the the holy tusus not the holy cow right says tyus there's a cow crouching before him it's mashma that it's crouching according to the answer. You could explain the language of the Mishna as follows. Let's go to Ramar says gar um if he says the Misha said if he says the cow said question does a cow speak there are books kids speak there no book cow speak yeah says you know what we're talking about over here the cow is crouching before him and the guy says says the cow thinks that it can't get up from the flesh of the cow. If she could get up all by herself and she got up on her own. Okay, let's go back to for a moment. Second line. We only have to go to about 14 lines down in the narrow lines. I'm sorry. A guy says who sees a crouching cow. He says this paraid the cow thought. It's not that the cow said it, but this is what the cow is thinking in her heart. She's crouching and this is probably her thought. She's crouching so much she can't get up on her own. It's not that the cow's actually thinking this. She doesn't have das to think and to to have and to think. When people pass by and see her crouching, they think to say this. They think this when most people see a cow just crouching all day not being able to get up. Um they think the cow is saying I would be a ner if I could get up. Meaning the cow is making a statement like it ain't happening. I'm not going to be able to get up. Since those who see the cow think this about the cow. When you think something, you then you then um you you shine it on the you you project it. Okay. Projection. When you think something, you project other people are thinking it. So when let's say a guy's domining for the he thinks he might be going a little too slow. He then projects that everyone around him thinks he's dominating too slow. Even though most of the people if they would be concentrating enough they might be thinking that but they're not even they're not thinking about that. You know people they look at they they they put on a suit um maybe the suit is two years old. They think oh I such an old suit I it's so old. What am I? They think that everyone who looks at their suit thinks that that you're wearing a Schleer suit. Nobody knows the difference. There's no difference between a suit that's 5 years old and four years old. Nobody cares about your suit. No one's looking at it. The last thing on anyone's mind is what suit you're wearing. But people project what what they think that other people are thinking. So too now the projection goes so far is that people project their thoughts on the cow. People are projecting the cow is thinking this. They project the thoughts on the cow itself. Like in the We just read that last night. And the boat thought to break. Really? The boat Yona was on thinking about breaking? Yeah. Because the guys on the boat thought the boat would break. So then they projected their thought that the boat was thinking that it's going to break. Isn't that amazing? Unbelievable. People project their feelings on inanimate objects. The person who sees the boat thinks on it. It's going to break. The the people projected the thought on the boat. So the does The guy says, "I will be a ner if this cow gets up." So he's thinking he projects the cows thinking that it's going on the person that's therefore it says It it emits. What does that stand for? Hey Alf Micarini Nazisara in my madness. What? >> Maybe ner maybe. So the toyus is explaining that the thought that the person has seeing the cow is now projected on the cow. Namely the guy says this cow says I'm sorry. Fine. So Gar continues goes according to his own opinion namely of figs have a nazer. You're a nazer. So we try to make sense out of what the guy is saying even though he said ner from groggy. So too when he says from the uh from the meat of the cow have another you're because in this case what's he saying? I'm a from the meat of a cow. If you're a nazer you know how to eat meat. What does meat got to do with nazer? I mean really there are two kadush it's it's it is bashameas that when a guy says I'm a nazer from meat we give him the dinner of nazeros but in this case the guy didn't even say I'm a nazer from meat he said the cow said I'm a nazer but the reason he says the cow says he's a nazer is because he's projecting his thoughts on the cow even though you could ask okay he's projecting his thoughts on the cow But thinking is not going to make you aner. You need maybe this constitutes by you projecting your thoughts saying this is what the cow said apparently that would constitute. Okay. So the gar says okay if it is then we know this already says this one time in the previous Mishna. Now the truth is in B it's a big because it's not just a guy saying I'm from he also didn't say I'm from he said the cow said it but in B hill who says it doesn't um in B hill who says that this does not work it's for sure not needed because bas hill would say even if you say I'm a nazer from Gorus it doesn't work or or um similarly if you would have said I'm aer from meat it wouldn't work says we need two examples and we need three examples also taught we need two examples and we need three examples we need all the examples If it would just say the first of the dried figs and the cakes, the fig cakes said because you could mix up figs and grapes. They're both they're both uh meaty fruits. So maybe you could say that the guy meant to say grapes cuz grapes and figs are mixupable. Nobody would uh say meat and mean grapes. Maybe the reason why when you say figs you're cuz you meant to say grapes. But you can't say that when you say meat you meant to say grapes. Then says you're nazer. Why? Because meat and wine. That's like a good combination. Meat and wine is like peanut butter and jelly. So you meant to say wine. You said meat. You meant to say wine, but you said meat. But you don't eat figs and grapes. Welcome to my house. Let me bring out some figs and grapes for you. You have um cookies and milk, peanut butter and jelly. It's not like a classic combo. The fig and grape combo, but meat and wine, those are like, you know, the main staples. So, therefore, in both, even in the case of figs and grapes, we still try to make sense of what you're saying. Even though you wouldn't it's it's not because you make even by figs and grapes we'll we'll still say you meant to be another said these two that's when said it's an effective but I would think because nobody would say uh nobody would accident mean to say grapes and say adore it's not like no I really meant grapes adore has nothing to do with any anything of nazirus meat could be mix mixed up with wine and figs could be mixed up with grapes nobody mixes up a door with grapes so so the the door is the biggest so just say a door maybe if we just say the case of the door only by the door says it's meaningless only then says that it is not the other two where maybe you could say he meant to say grapes maybe okay let's see second wide line two or three two or three places in the case of dried figs. The case of the cow in the case of the door all the cases explains dried figs because you mix up with grapes or they're both fruits. Maybe in your mind you meant to say grapes and you had a Freudian slip and you said dried figs. Meat and wine are the staples of the And they get confused. Let them argue by the case of meat and wine without the cow standing in its spot. Askis, what in the world does it have to do with a cow talking? Just say a guy said why do you have to have this whole thing where the cow is crouching and you saw a cow and you said to me it seems like the cow is saying I'm a nazer. There's nothing to do with that. Just keep it simple. Just keep it to a case where the first Misha says you make you're making nazerus from dried figs and this Misha is making a from meat and then you're from a door and then and it's could have that's what we're doing just as a is teaching me that the is that if it gets up on its own it'll This will be part of the question that we're ask the person is saying I'll be a nazer if the cow stands up by itself but ra says does the Mishna say that if it if it does get up on its own. Look the says he said but the Mishna doesn't conclude if it gets up on on its own then you're so the question so why didn't the Mishna say if it does get up on its own then you're left that out if it's contingent on the cow getting up on its own why wouldn't the Mishna say so if the cow cow gets up on its own, you're a nazer. Why would it just say that the guy means that the cow is saying if I get up on my own, I'm a nazer? Okay, so the mission should say that then if it does get up on its own, then you're a nazer. of you know what the case is. The cow is crouching in front of him and the har like carbon and the guy says I am going to bring a carbon if it gets up. What does this mean? Let's see. Does it say look at the Mishna? The guy says, "If I get up, it just says if it would say on my own, I would agree." the fact that the mission leaves out. You cannot explain it that that's the case. Is asking that we're adding to the words of the Mishna. According to Rava, Rava is asking why would the Mishna if if the Mishna like means that he's accepting the zeros if it gets up on its own. The Mishna should have said if it gets up on its own. So Ra is saying that the person saying something else. He's saying that I'm not a nauseier if it gets up on its own. I'm thinking that since the the cow is having a hard time standing, then the cow is saying I will be a carbon. Not that I'm saying the cow is saying the cow will be a nazir and I'm projecting my thoughts on the cow. The cow is saying if I get up on my own I will be the carbon of let's try to read those words intois I don't mean I'm going to be a from the cow cuz if he meant I'm going to be from the cow it should say cuz it has Nothing to do with it standing up. So what does he mean? He means, let's see what Ra is saying. I'm going to bring the Nazeros carbon if the cow gets up. Now, why would he bring the Nazeros carbon? because he's going to be a nazir says if it gets up is going to didn't finish it because it's still going to ask the what's the question I understand the cow could be a carbon you could say that the it's like the cow is saying that if it gets up, it's going to be a carbon nause. Well, at the door, the door can't be uh a carbon. So, this is not sh by a door. Okay. So, we're going to hold it over here. Sky reporting dark.