Can You Wash Your Hands After You Heard Hamotzi - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 167 Seif 7

Okay, good morning everyone. We're continuing daf siman kuf sameach zayin seif zayin. Reuven was washing his hands to eat. Yaakov was making the bracha of hamotzi. Yaakov had in mind to be motzi all the listeners. Me gave Reuven yadov. After Reuven washed his hands, he then dried his hands and he made the bracha of al netilas yadaim. So, for Reuven, think about the order of what happened. Reuven washed his hands, he heard someone else say hamotzi, he then dried his hands and made the bracha. So, in the world of Reuven, there was a major hefsek between washing the hands, drying them, and making the bracha by listening to hamotzi. Lo ya'aveh hefsek. It's not a hefsek. Ve yoitzei be bracha's Yaakov. He's yoitzei with Yaakov's bracha ve ein tzorech lachzor ul'varech bracha's hamotzi. He doesn't have to make hamotzi again. It happens to be that I have ha'ara'ah on this mechaber. I've been waiting for this for 6 and 1/2 years. On this mechaber. In parsha's Vayechi, there's a major discussion in the acharonim, what exactly is parsha's Vayechi? Is Yaakov rebuking his children? Is Yaakov speaking nevu'ah? The Abarbanel has his classic p'shat. No one explicitly calls what takes place bracha's Yaakov. In the yeshiva ketanas, they make you memorize the bracha's Yaakov. Although, there's no source to to a subject or an a partial of the Torah called Birchas Yaakov. Except for this Machaber in Siman Kuf Samech Zayin, Sif Zayin. You think it's a coincidence that the Beis Yosef set up the case that Reuven is washing his hands and Yaakov is making the Bracha and he refers to it he's Yotzei be Birchas Yaakov. That's the first Torah. Ha'arah number two. Reuven never got a Bracha. Reuven was lambasted. Pachaz Kamayim al Toisar Keil Lisa Mishkevei Avicha al Chilalto Yitzui Allah. Yeser Seis Yeser Yeser Yeser Oz. Reuven, you lost everything. You lost Malchus. You lost the Bechira. You're impetuous. You defiled my bread. What did Reuven get out of it? Did he get a Bracha? So, the Machaber just wants you to know even Reuven got Birchas Yaakov. You know, even it's not a coincidence that he picked Reuven either. Okay. But in any event, why not? Why is this not a Hefsek? Let's see the Mishna Berurah. Lo Itzi Hasoymim Ve'gam Hasoymim Kivnu Be'brachasei Ve'ach Reuven dried his hands. Ve'hu Ve'hu Hadin Kishakol Hanetilah u'Birchas Hanetilas Yadayim Haya Achar Kach. The same thing would be when all the Netilah and the Bracha of Netilas Yadayim was afterwards. The same thing would apply when all the Netilah and the Bracha of Netilas Yadayim was afterwards. Meaning, let's say he first heard from Yaakov on the Tilsi and then Reuven washed his hands and made the bracha. Gam Kinyan Yada have a hefsek. Why? Why is it not a hefsek? How could it not be a hefsek? How could washing your hands, drying them, and making on the Tilsi not be a hefsek? No, it's a tzaruch suda. It's a tzaruch suda. You're allowed to be mafsik in between hamotzi and eating with tzaruch suda v'chanal. So, why did the mechaber pick this case and not all the others and and only pick this case? Ela l'hureisano to show us that in birkas natilas yadaim b'sha'ah she'Yaakov motzi. If Reuven was making bracha natilas yadaim at the time that Yaakov was saying hamotzi d'lo yatza you're not yatza sarei. Daharei tzaruch. L'havin, you need to understand v'lishmaya mashma ham'varech v'lo l'hafsek b'divrei acherim. V'az shomei'a koheina. So, the Mishna Berurah is saying the reason why you can't be saying natilas yadaim at the time that the mashmi'a is saying is hamotzi is because you need to understand and listen what he's saying. And if you're talking and you're saying the bracha of natilas yadaim, you're not listening. What if the guy says, "I was listening." I would have said to that, "It's not possible. Trei koli lo mishtam'i." Yeah? That's what I would have said. Look in the Sha'ar HaTziyun mem gimmel. U'mistabra d'afילו im she'kivanti oz b'libi l'varech al hamotzi, gam kein lo yatza. Why? Kivan d'masha yoitzei b'shmi'a hu rak m'nei d'shomei'a koheina. The reason you're yoitzei by listening is because shomei'a koheina. V'zeh shayeich davka k'she'shoseik. Imagine if you you said like this. You know, imagine if you braided inter then I don't I don't it's not possible that you'd be yoitzei the bracha if you were simultaneously stringing together two different brachas. Now, the Shulchan Aruch doesn't say my reason. Maybe he's he's giving a better reason. Maybe the guy would say I could I could listen to two things simultaneously. There are people like that. In the biography of Rav Menachem Ziemba it brings that Rav Menachem Ziemba was able to answer a shver Rambam while people were talking to him. While people were talking to him, he would answer a shver Rambam. Okay, so even but in this case, even if you claim you could listen, it's still not going to be okay. What's the halacha by havdalah? If you say borei pri hagafen, then you say borei minei besamim, and you smell it, and by the time while the besamim is going around, you made a borei me'orei ha'eish in between the time you said borei minei besamim and the other people smelled the besamim. Is that a hefsek? I would think so. I would think it's a hefsek for them. They heard borei minei besamim. And before they smelled the besamim, they said borei meorei ha'eish. Is it a hefsek? Do the poskim say you have to be careful to wait until everyone smells the besamim? >> You can't listen and smell at the same time. It's a little different than hearing. You can't speak and listen. >> No, before you smelled, you heard the words borei meorei ha'eish. So, you're mafsik with the the shemeia. Ke'ilu said borei meorei ha'eish before they smelled. That's a hefsek. Let's say somebody says baruch atah Adonai Eloheinu Melech ha'olam borei minei besamim. And then they smell. So, the the bracha doesn't work. So, mali what did the Yankees do? And mali borei meorei ha'eish has nothing to do with with smelling the besamim. Is that a tzorech of the besamim to make lechaim or not? Okay. It's only in this case where al netilat yadayim is not a In other words, you heard someone say hamotzi. I didn't eat the bread yet, but meanwhile I'm making al netilat yadayim. Okay, that's not a hefsek. Al netilat yadayim is a tzorech hasuda. Okay. >> case Mr. Borah says, I was saying I was saying of Arabic. Why is he mentioning kiddush now? I was talking about hamotzi. >> Where does this come from? Yeah, I hear. Where he Where did this come out of left field? >> Yeah. >> So, right. Good point. The mission rule concludes on the center of him. How do we know someone was out below Shabbos Kodesh K'shalah Balabayas Motzi B'nei Beisai B'Kiddush What? >> What? People are washing already and making out this is done during Kiddush. >> I don't know. I don't know what he means. Anyone have a different Gersa? Motzi B'nei Beisai B'Kiddush that the what? The people are doing something else? They're involved They're They're singing the Ratzon? What's going on? Okay. U've on the Tilsi Dyum. Ruben dries his hands and he says Tilsi Dyum. We have forgotten the common lunch in my corner. Even though we hold Sh'may Koinu K'var Pasak Amagaim Al B'sim Kofnin K'sif Y'ra Avdim Koidim Sh'may Al the Tilsi Dyum. B'racham Motzi Lo Yuchal Avarcho Al the Tilsi Dyum. We hold Sh'may Koinu and we already said that if before you made Al the Tilsi Dyum you made Hamotzi you can't say Al the Tilsi Dyum again. Once you make If you made Hamotzi before the Tilsi Dyum you can no longer and you Let's say you washed you like this. You washed your hands. You said Hamotzi you can't say the Tilsi Dyum. Once you dried it If you dried your hands you could still say Al the Tilsi Dyum. But once you said Hamotzi you can't say the Tilsi Dyum. So, in In case you washed your hands someone else said hamotzi, it should be tantamount like you said hamotzi, and now you should not be able to say netilat yadayim. No, shani hacha dol eini give yadav. Here, the guy didn't dry them yet, so he's still in the he's still in the process. Koidem b'racha hamotzi v'lo eini g'mar mitzvah dain. Aval umekvar eini give gam kein, if you're ready to dry them, then taka, we would follow what the Magen Avraham says, that if you dried your hands and you either said hamotzi or heard hamotzi say lo yochal l'varech al netilat yadayim keivan d'kvar yatza b'virchas hamotzi. If you look in Sha'ar HaTziyon mem daled, maybe I'm getting into trouble of saying this over. What if you dried your hands after hamotzi before you said netilat yadayim? He says d'im hanegiva sh'lo haya acher b'virchas hamotzi. If your drying was after hamotzi before you said netilat yadayim, there's a question. Maybe this is better cuz at the time that you said hamotzi, your hands weren't dry. So now the b'racha cannot prevent you from saying netilat yadayim. Meaning the Mishna Berurah is talking about you didn't dry your hands so what you could do is you could say netilat yadayim and then dry your hands. I don't understand what the Sha'ar HaTziyon is saying. Sha'ar HaTziyon seems to be saying that if after you heard Hamotzi, you could make Netilat Yadayim and then dry them, but if you first dry them, then maybe you can no longer make Netilat Yadayim. Right? That's what the Shulchan Aruch Aruch seems to be saying. But I don't understand his question. The Mechaber says openly that the case is after Kacha Ni gave Reuven Yadayim and then said Netilat Yadayim. So, the Shulchan Aruch says you could dry them and then make Netilat Yadayim. If anyone could explain Shulchan Aruch Aruch Mem Daled, Tavo Aleichem Bracha. What What exactly is his Sefek? The Mecha- The case of the Mechaber is where you dry them and why is the Shulchan Aruch Aruch unsure about this? The Mishna In other words, the Shulchan Aruch Aruch is explaining that which I said, you know, the Magen Avraham said, "Once you say Hamotzi, you can no longer make Netilat Yadayim." Answers the Mishna Berurah, "Here it's different cuz you didn't dry your hands yet." But if you dry them, then you can make Netilat Yadayim. >> The The case of the of the Mechaber is where Reuven is not the one who's Mevarech Hamotzi. Uh maybe there's a distinction that this case of the Shulchan Aruch Aruch I The same fellow is not only had had the giver of the water and after that the Motzi place the Bracha, he himself. So, maybe that That would be in theory lies a distinction. Whether he's making the Hamotzi or or or his uh Reuven is involved >> I think the Shulchan Aruch Aruch is going I think the Shulchan Aruch Aruch is going on the case of the Mishna Bora and the mission Bora is talking about our case where he's being you would say how much he from from Yaakov. Okay, let's we'll think about it.