Rabbi Akiva Yosef Schlesinger's Attempt To Reinstate Tekias Shofar on Shabbos - Part 1

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good afternoon everyone we have a really fantastic subject today in honor of rosh hashanahabalina Russia take this opportunity first to express in good health should Grant associated to continue to learn together and alsolet which is the coming year and uh and uh which Israel if anybody would like to be if in the upcoming svarum the next one on the Queue is in English for art scroll we're trying to get it out for Hanukkah time so that's available if anybody would like to participate this year we have a incredible and unique phenomenon it's really not as unique as you may think and it could happen that in the course of five years we could see uh three or four of the five years having Rosh Hashanah come out on Shabbos and then years could go by and uh we don't have Rosh Hashanah that falls down on Shabbos the last time we had it I think it was the year uh of covid uh before that I think it was 11 years before the the previous time in any event this year Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos and obviously the question of the day is the most well-known Mitzvah that were makayaiman Rosh Hashanah is shoifer and yet we're all familiar that there seems to be some kind of not to blow the chauffeur on Shabbos it's known as gazero daraba that were afraid that if you if you one was allowed to blow the shirt from Shabbos where afraid shama yavi Reno dalaramos versus but let us take a look at the mishnah at the end of the Rosh Hashanah that discusses is are there any instances where even this man has there one would blow the chaifa on Shabbos and why exactly is it that we don't blow the chiffon Shabbos um outside of the basement so the mission says number one on your sheets of Rosh Hashanah that comes out on Shabbos Medina in the base how mikh Dutch they would blow shifar but not not in the basement not in the basement is known as Medina we'll have to see what this means so this is very interesting that when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos they would Blow shuffle in the miktas I what happened to the gazera what happened to whatever concerns there are about blowing Schaefer apparently in the base hamiktash it was permitted in the Medina it is prohibited now what does Medina mean does Medina means does Medina mean outside of you shall I am or does Medina mean outside of the base of miktash from the time the temple was destroyed his skin that we Blow shuffle when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos in any place where there's a best then said like his skin only in yavna was only in yavneh so again the Mishra says this was destroyed that you blow shoifer anywhere where there's a bezel said no was not masakin only in yavna they said to him what do you mean and anywhere where there's a Basden so there seems to be a machoikas between the tanakama and the theory that when the basement was destroyed you blow short front Shabbos wherever there's a bazden revelation said no only in yavneh the said anywhere where there's a best then okay so the question is why are you allowed to be to Blow shuffle in the base of mcdosh why did they used to blow chauffeur in the miktash why did they used to Blow shuffle in the miktash when um before when the base coming when the base things were standing why didn't they outside of the miktas why was to blow shifar where there's a bazden and was it only avna or was it anyway so we're sort of familiar with the idea that well there are massaging uh after the basically this was destroyed we don't the reason we don't blow the shoifer outside of the base is because it's xera gazera daraba shama yasaki um that's the common understanding and what's the difference between the miktash and outside of the mikdosh outside of the miktash we make akzera by the base we don't make xera what about the takana to blow where there's a Basden apparently maybe where there's a bezden they didn't make xera the you saw me though has a completely different take on it you know it's very interesting is that Villa that we have we usually say that is do we then we say we refer to Rosh Hashanah that comes out on Shabbos not as yoem tarua but rather because we don't actually blow the shifar but merely we commemorate the sheifer do you xiaomi very interesting you xiaomi do you show me says even amrin makshi they ask what they're asking questions amrin they said taninan we learned of Rosh Hashanah that falls out on Shabbos Medina they would blow in the basement but not outside so the you xiaomi asks the following question in debrate if blowing the shifarism it's a director then we should blow shoifer even outside of the mikdash in if it's not biblical to blow the chauffeur then you shouldn't blow the show from the base question in other words what is the force of on Rosh Hashanah if it's a die rise though you should blow outside of the mcdosh if it's a drop button you shouldn't blow in the Masonic Dash so the gemara says what happened of our Kahana was passing by Armin they said he's a great man let's ask him awesome they came and they asked him he said to them sure because it says meaning he said look one person says it's a day of blowing one plus six says remembering to blow okay when Rosh Hashanah comes out on a weekday I'm sure when it comes out on Shabbos it's only remembrance of Chua so that's the you xiaomi meaning and they're from as Kirin we remember the Titan we don't blow the Schaefer we say the sukum of noise but we don't blow the Schaefer basically what ravkahana said is the reason we don't blow the chauffeur when Roshana comes out on Shabbos is it's a possible it says and elsewhere it says how do we reconcile it when Rosh Hashanah falls out during the week it's Yom Chua that you blow the chiffer when Roshana falls out on Shabbos Rev commanded his friend he said you should always go in here the voice of rablavi darshaning the lesson you're definitely going to learn something new so what happened got up and he said before these visitors when it falls out during the week it's a day of blowing is when it comes out on Shabbos you remember but you don't blow okay so now if I were to ask you when we say in daviding on Shabbos that that when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos that seems to be going like this you shami the problem is you xiaomi asks a bumba the xiaomi asks a bomb and that is if there's Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos even in the base you should not blow and Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos says it's a day not that you blow but you say first so if it's Xerox High Cost of that you don't blow shoy from Roshana comes in on Shabbos you shouldn't blow in the basement either you shouldn't blow foreign they taught there's another example on the first day of the month meaning you know when we say that's when you're in a location where you're not a hundred percent sure if it's Rosh Hashanah but if but it says regarding Young that whenever you know for sure it's the first day of the month you always blow the Schaefer on Shabbos and if there's one place in the world where we know for sure it's Rosh Hashanah that's the base so the reason why we don't apply zikrain to the base of mikdash is because we have another asks if that's the case then you should blow shifar any place where there's a reputable Raisa because we know that is Craven foreign however in a place where carbonus are not brought then when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos we apply the rule zikrain tarua so in other words this is very important namely that according to the usami we have tubeshua applies to when our son comes out during the week applies when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos but when it comes to the base time mcdosh we have a different drasha namely whenever you know for sure it's the first day of the month you blow even on Shabbos and you say but that's only in a place of carbonus but he craft them so when we're going to say this coming Shabbos as yoim um that seems to be going like the usami the thing is the babbly has a different take on it if you look in the babli foreign I would assume it's the same lady that we have in the you xiaomi who offered a difference between marches a here we're talking about Shabbos here we're talking about that falls out during the week so far exactly like the usami the problem is you know who the babbly had that the usami didn't have rava so rava comes in and rava blows this out of the waters amarava images Robert said if the reason we don't Blow shuffle Isa then you shouldn't Blow shuffle so number one ruffa asks if we're biblically precluded from blowing the shelf so then the question is how could you blow in the miktas and the gemara does not go for the answer of furthermore how could you say it's to blow the chaifur on Shabbos foreign said you're allowed to blow the shoifer on Shabbos and the rabbis made of the creek the rabba foreign that's why we don't take a little love when sukkas falls out on Shabbos that's how we don't read the Magilla when Purim comes out on Shamus AI according to the babli why don't we build a shoifer and Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos it's simple it's do we presumably it's because we're not so careful we don't have to be so concerned with rabbinic legislation in the base of ignash does it have anything to do with presumably not according to you xiaomi you're now to blow chauffeur on Rosh Hashanah that comes down rice no it says it's another example and um according to the Babbling it's a simple zero drabanan so you would think that our nusa that we say and when Roshana comes out on it seems to be going like do you xiaomi look in the tourists and toughkeep base the Torah says wrote stay yes if Rosh Hashanah comes on the weekday um that's the customer the custom in ashkenaz is so is that like do you show me not like the babbly comes the base you always safe and the basically safe says and it's not because we go like you xiaomi is just as much now we have to understand if the reason why we didn't okay so two things if the reason why what's the reason why we didn't blow Shuffle into the bubbly bubbly in outside the base of mcdosh if it's a gazera why does that gazera not apply in the miktash and what does it mean Medina is the Medina outside of Earth Israel outside of you shalayim or outside of the base says Rashi what's xera they did not make a decree is foreign so according to Rashi the gazero was shamayavirano in the miktash they didn't make xera because Aina now that's one thing what's the reason why what is Medina mean Rabbi Sai ish foreign convened so now Rashi on the other hand says that Medina doesn't mean like the rambam outside of you shall I am Medina means outside of the miktash loibusin we have a major machelicus Rashi in the rambam the rambam learns that when the mishnah says that on when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos they blew in the miktash but not in the Medina Rashi learns it means they didn't they did not blow outside of the base Medina means the rambam says Medina means outside of yerushalayim Rashi learns Medina means outside of the base hamiktas the rambam says it means outside of you shall I am and the rambam are going lichitase Rashi who holds the reason they were not going there outside rashio is the reason why they were not goizer in the miktash is it because ain't that's only true in the basement but in the rest of yerushalayim where we do have dine durabanan so then you would not be allowed to Blow shuffle in uh outside of the base of mikdash machine came the rambam learns the reason why but miktash they weren't geyser is because the mikdash is under the auspices of esden and bezen will ensure nobody does anything wrong well just like the miktash is under the auspices of besdin the whole yerushalayim is under the auspicious meaning Rashi learns outside of the miktash they made the decree the ramam learns outside of yushalayim they made the queen Rashi learns outside of the basement to decree the only reason they didn't make the decree in the basement is because but that only applies in the basement the rambam learns they didn't make a decree in the miktash because the bezel is there well then the best then is all over yerushalayim the problem though is the basement dish is destroyed and there's no longer a basement there is no more based on mikdash is there any possibility of blowing the shifar when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Chavez that's the subject of today's share now you have the background you know that when the base of Victor stood according torashi they blew in the Midas according to the rambam they blew in all of you shall I am but now the basic dish is not here and the mishnah seems to say where there's a best then you could blow the shifa and the rift brings it down that where there's a bazden you could blow the shifa and the question is why does the Riff bring this down lahalaka why does the rift bring down the halacha that where there's the best then you could blow the chauffeur the Bal hamar and Rosh Hashanah daflamed quotes the riff that when ravuna said before then balamar wants to know why did the rift bring down these that if you have a best then you'd be able to Blow shuffle but you need a bezel of you need a bazden that has genuine smiha going back to my shopping is no longer extant there's no longer anyone who has mikha dating back to my shrabino and therefore for the rift to codify these it would seem because the principle of the Riff is only to codify that are relevant or could be relevant it does not seem that these halachos have any relevance why would the rift bring it down in fact concludes the balham is this is one of the Wonders this is one of the most bizarre peculiar sightings of the rift why would the rift discuss this it has no relevancy it's not relevant at all what would be how is it relevant that if you had a best then you could blow the shot from but we don't have an ordained best then and therefore the balamar says this is one of the times where it's just a pellet why the Riff would discuss these however The Rush empiric dalid he brings that Revelation says that Rebecca menzaca was only musakian and yavna and the said yavna and anywhere where there's a best in um [Music] the rush says that no he disagrees this is not a unusual sighting of the riff to talk about what would the halacha be if we had a best Den you know why says the rush they say about the rift blue shoifer when Rosh Hashanah came out on Shabbos not only do we have reports that he did it the implication is he did it because otherwise why would he bring down what would be if there's a best then he understands whenever it says wherever there's a bezen you blow Schaefer it doesn't have to be sanhajan it doesn't have to be sanheden Katana it's a top-tiered bona fide best then if you have abesden says the rush not only do we have reports the rift did this it seems pretty clear from the fact that the riff cites what the is if there's a best in that in fact the rift followed this however the rush says the students of the myth now the Riff started out in Morocco and then he came to Spain I had the summer to be at the base where the Riff is buried they didn't let us in but we stood in the city of Lucina where the Riff was a RAV where the remagast was above could just imagine maybe to be there this year because this year Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos this is the Saka the murder asra you know if our flight would have been delayed and we would have gotten stuck in Spain for Shabbos I don't know maybe we had a blow shoifer that's the sack of the Riff he's the Marda asra over there this is what the rush brings down the Ritzville likewise says that the rift did this but we don't find other people following suit says that he heard that the rivers in his yeshivan Shabbos and if you want to know what to do I let you know if you will Merit you'll choose the right path meaning doesn't say well nobody follows what the Riff did says you know pick them do what you want it's a legitimate approach you could you don't have to how do we pass again Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos is there any basis to blow the chauffeur says we don't pull the sofa so you would say Okay case closed it's finished the Riff had a maybe a uh unusual practice it's not normative codifies that you don't do it so that's the end of this year Rabbi say it's not the end of the show there was a man born in 1838 his name was Akiva Josef Schlesinger he was one of the rabbinical leaders in pressburg and a talmud movement Cipher known as the sav Cipher talmud of remote he wrote to say for late for every a perish on the Sava of the sofa and he was a very unusual personality he was an independent Spirit he was an independent Soul he did what he thought was right sort of irrespective of past precedent and even though the children we don't blow shoifer and Rosh Hashanah that comes out on Shabbos Schlesinger attempted to reinstate the blowing of the shifran Shabbos not only that it seems like he blew Schaefer on Shabbos when Roshana came out on Shabbos he was known to have made some very um controversial statements for example he was a proponent of razino trelas he even somebody ripped it off him and burnt it and he was the son-in-law of ravilla Calamar and in the year so basically the question we have over here um from the Riff it sort of was not Revisited until about 140 years ago actually it's more more like uh perhaps a hundred and um 80 years ago wanted to reinstate the possibility of blowing the Chevrolet first of all the Riff holds you could blow even in Williamsburg the Riff held anywhere where there's a reputable best then you could build a Schaefer according to the Riff you as long as you have one of the daily Hadar and I go to one of the poiske Hadar whoever you consider one of the places and in his best then it could be in New York it could be in Brooklyn it could be in Lakewood it could be in Chicago it could be in Philadelphia according to the Riff maybe all over the world they blew Schaefer um in England in France so according to the Riff wherever there's a best then you're allowed to Blow shuffle the Riff himself blew Schaefer in Spain or Morocco I mean Morocco is still reverberating today from the Schaefer of the riff e when I don't know when the custom of uh blowing Schaefer and began it's based on pirate but it's first codified by Rama I don't know how early they did it I think it's mentioned in the so again I don't know if the uh riff blue shyfar on Rosh Hashanah and shallow but he suddenly blew on Rosh Hashanah so in the safe area was one of the great poiskim in ushalayim in the 20th century he was involved in a number of halachic issues one of the notable ones he has a very important sheeta regarding the International Date Line wrote the most important safer on Hillcrest known as he also wrote a major three volume set called about all the halachos relevant to the base of its parameters in it he talks about many very interesting issues including the Smith controversy and in the safety area he's buried in the sanhedria cemetery near Herzog and you're a lot a lot of the godlam of yushalayim he he says that at first Schlesinger brought up this issue with until he was able to gather 23 rabbanim because he said even if you want to say not like the Riff that you don't need a bazden I'm going to gather 23 rabbanim and not only that he made sure to get ashkenazim and spardem so because he said you know if I gather an Ashkenazi business well maybe people are going to say well what if mashiach comes and Michelle says you know the sardim are the ones who are right then people are gonna be afraid to blow the shoifer so he gathered ashkenazim answers so he had every type of court and he was primed to blow chaifa and this was in the year 1. so so excuse me it was 140 years ago and again 1881 tough race memale was a long time since the Riff had been around and in 1881 he published a contras to uphold his idea that you're allowed to Blow shuffle Roshana comes out on Shabbos and he made a big Rush and he gathered many 46 and in 1882 the year that Rosh Hashanah came out on Shabbos he was going to gather these rabbis they were going to be present like a sanhajan katana and that's what his plan was it comes chakras and all the rabbis are there all the 46 rabbis are there waiting for him to blow chaifar and apparently Arab Rosh Hashanah his Sanhedrin one by one they disappeared they slipped away they snuck out and when it came time to issue the his practical inflammation to practical to practically Implement his opinion there were like two or three rabbis standing around him all the others disappeared they were afraid to go against a thousand years of Jewish uh protocol and precedent because that he heard from Mordechai eisenstein a sofa um was there in 1880 to that you should blow the shoifer and if someone asks me I would say don't do it but if somebody wanted to do it I wouldn't protest and I wouldn't stop somebody who wanted to go to to go there however says I feel bad that I didn't speak this over with salant but I trust that in fact said that listen he's not endorsing it and if he's not passing this way if someone would ask him he would say not to do it but if somebody wanted to do it he wouldn't stop them so that was taken as like a very quasi form of endorsement you know not the best endorsement you'll find but at least he counts the report is countenanced reinstating it in the summer of 1904 . says I brought my luachov for the year 1905 to the adaras says next year 1905 Roshana comes out on Shabbos who knows if I will ever again but meaning because in uh there's no Schaefer the rice so when Roshana comes out on Chavez and he didn't think he would make it to the next year but then the Adara said next year we'll blow Shuffle on Shabbos I would put on a costume I would I would hide behind the wall and I would go to hear the chauffeur I wouldn't go inside I wouldn't let anybody know I'm going but because I I'm afraid I'm not going to live to hear another takes over there Isa I would go sit behind the wall I would go sit behind the wall so these are like two anecdotal stories that maybe they would not officially endorse reinstating but if somebody would do it they would figure out a way to to hear it the question is that the gemara says you're not allowed to blow Schaefer when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Chavez so what are you gonna say well if there's a best thing you're allowed to it's not so clear maybe you need smuchem maybe you need a business maybe it's only in yerushalayim maybe it's only in yavna Schlesinger composed the countries where he offered 13 arguments claiming that hola quickly when Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos the correct thing to do is to blow the Schaefer I would like to go through with you some of these arguments I remember last time when Roshana came out on Shabbos I read an article by Rabbi Ari zivotovsky and Ari Greenspan and I want to go through some of these arguments maybe Wednesday morning we'll discuss how these in general counter these arguments safe argument was as follows number one he said look the rift did it and the rift didn't even do it in you shall I am but here are some of the arguments the gamaran Shabba says that an aced is how do we know that the gemara says it would allow you to be moving if you have a CLI that's not muksa is you now to put a clean a situation where you will not be able to use it on Shabbos it's called foreign now that's it's wondrous because it's a nice argument but it's against rabba rabba said no you know how to Blow shuffle and of course but then Ruby Cube Joseph adds certainly if the assay devices and I say the Rob him because we know that when it comes to Naseem even uh Mitzvah durabanon of the rabim pushes off in Israel are you allowed to free a slave to make a minion freeing a slave is an israelisa yes that means a Mitzvah drabanon of the rabim pushes off an Issa di Raisa pushes called chicane says here where there's a Mitzvah the Irish so we're not dealing with minion rabbanan we're dealing with shoifer the erisa and you're not pushing off an Esther Die Rise of freeing a slave you're pushing off an Instagram button of carrying I think zero is only going on the individual however if you go in yerushalayim or the makum of abezden there was never such a drabanon so you'll ask but we know the rabbis have the capacity to push off amidstv al-tasa says that's only where we know for sure they did or if there's it sad to say that look they were an oikurit legamre but in our case where if you're not going to blow on Shabbos then we're going to lose the Mitzvah completely You're Gonna Lose we're going to lose them it's a completely and we don't even know if they made such a decree where there's a best then we're not sure is it like the Riff that you don't need smuchem or like the rambam that you need smuchem well if we're not sure we should say the not uphold their gazer on such a situation and Rebecca Joseph brings a very uh compelling argument he quotes the Kash of the Run toasters also asks Kasha Allah if the first day of sukkas comes out on Shabbos in the basement do you take the rule of or do not take the love when sukkas comes out on Shabbos you take the wool over the base you don't take the love you don't take the Lulu love why is it that you don't take the lulav by you do baladashifa why is it that by Lulu love in the base hamikdash you don't take the Lula of if sukkas comes out on Shabbos but you do but you do blow the shifar says the Run blue love is different because Lou love they're not completely being oiker the Mitzvah how are they not completely you'll take it tomorrow you'll be Makai in the midst of tomorrow but Cypher where there is no Tomorrow there's only one day did not want to uproot the Mitzvah completely furthermore Schaefer is more important than lulav it's to be Mala the remembrance the the memory of Claudius thank you so therefore Schlesinger amitsa in a situation like lulav where at least you'll be able to take it tomorrow likewise they'll only be oiker or shoifer on Shabbos if at least you could Blow shuffle where there's a buzz then but they would never be oikered completely to say Don't Blow shuffle at all furthermore you remember the Taja Dua remember the Tas the famous Tas wants to know if you're now to blow shoifer when Roshana comes down on Shabbos because he might carry the chauffeur then you should never be allowed to blow chiffon Rosh Hashanah the same way you can't blow a tuba on Rosh Hashanah why can't you blow a tube on Rosh Hashanah you can't blow an instrument on YouTube so why don't we answer you to blow a shot from Rosh Hashanah you might come to fix the musical instrument if they're not flying in the face of a possible so therefore we can say no don't Blow shuffle you might fix an instrument it's going against the Hamish openly but the tire doesn't say openly Tara doesn't say openly the task says to blow the chaifa on Shabbos so therefore on Shabbos we could say Shema yavirena says even on Shabbos you blow the shifa in that case we're not going to going to just answer you to blow the chauffeur completely furthermore says something really amazing he says even the rambam he doesn't argue on the Riff the Riff says you don't need the Riff says you don't need bazden has agrees the ramen would hold any business that is exceptional and established you could blow the Schaefer the reason the rambam says best in summer right the lotion of the rambam is that uh Ruby Cuba Joseph quotes is you need a business that just means summer is available but if abezen stomach is not available in your era that would qualify furthermore says are you allowed to dry yourself with a towel on Chavez you can't you might squeeze what about if 10 people go into the Mikvah and they want to dry themselves with one towel looking aside the hygienic concerns and some other very um frightening concerns that you might have if 10 guys are using the same towel but it's permitted I you might squeeze no Robin the Robin will remind each other so to here it says we're not afraid especially in you shall I am that caduceus according to the rambam and Laila um the khadu Shazam is kadusha lashita Allah furthermore the whole zero of rabba was at a time when there Wasa the rambam that there's so therefore he said you need a Best In Summer but according to most policegim there is so there is especially in you shall I am there is only akshash when the doors used to be unlocked nowadays the doors are locked so there's no xera furthermore said you know that we're living tragic times there are all kinds of pogroms going on in Russia at the time we know that if they're pogroms if there's tragedies there might be some permissibility that you're allowed to blow an instrument as a form of a listening as a form of like sounding the alarm for people to cry out for him Yosef Schlesinger even if you can't blow Shuffle out the midst of but because we're living in such frightening times so we'll blow it and if it's not chauffeur let it be just a Clarion call because Allah and even according to those who are guys that's only if we're not because whenever we're Bucky because we don't make such Zara like we see by Mila where it's not necessarily necessary to know what calendar date it is so we don't make xera does that make a difference you usually we say not usually we say light plug and then Robert Joseph says is you might carry it after your yard say so here's anitsa let besden hold on to the Schaefer so that there won't be any concern that after you blow it you're gonna carry it or someone in a say use a chauffeur that cemented into the wall this way you won't you won't go anywhere with it said to strengthen the hearts of anyone who is concerned let's say there is everyone in this school or only the Balto Ikea the baltikaya what about the listeners a now what kind of Die Rise it's Now isn't there a principle that it's worthwhile to do a small Avera Not to cause someone else to do a big answer so why don't we just get a volunteer to volunteer to violate the isidra banana in order to be mazaka everyone else in Cloud Israel in the midst of darisa it'll be worth it for him because in the long run you know he might he might get a little bit of a sin but think about the zikoi harabim that he's doing the bottom line is these were the arguments that were Advanced by Robert Cuba Joseph Schlesinger and supposedly when all these snuck out him and a few Rabbi rabbis remain behind and he blew Schaefer privately now who the rabbis were who stayed with him and testified that he blew the Schaefer apparently they did not give up their cover nor did but Legend has it that uh Joseph Schlesinger in fact did blow the shifar in 1842 in 1882. Wednesday morning maybe we'll try to go through and address why these arguments were not valid arguments but in general the general response the icker response writes is you cannot compare you can't say just like you could be lenient with one type of xera we should be able to be lenient with other kinds of gazeras ain't done and Division La martial could we say that where Shani makes a shiny other Thomas do no what the rabbis were masaki and they were masaki and what they weren't masakin were they weren't masaki and just because they're willing to forego the decree that you're allowed to Blow shuffle I but maybe you're gonna fix a musical instrument that they're not worried about but that which you might carry they are worried about so you can compare you might carry then we have to be worried you might carry and just because Hazard might say it's better to violate a small answer than have someone else violate a big answer but they didn't say that by and the bottom line is rabba said and he poskined you can't blow shoifer and Shabbos and even though the Riff said if there's a bezen you could but we never followed that and even though tell me the rift didn't follow that and rather we were concerned for gazerodaraba anywhere where there wasn't a business and that's the bottom line the precedent was we were concerned for xerodaraba Wednesday if we have a chance we'll try to uh address some of the arguments of Schlesinger but the bottom line is like the shulkarnak writes explicitly Russia's so this is our last year of Agra de Perka tuftshin pay gimmel grantas is thank you for joining I wish you could join us today at 4 30 for the State Fair see peace have a wonderful day welcome to the show on Wednesday uh 10 45 10 45. so far in mequila and you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by toraanytime.com