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Welcome to Inside Art Scroll, where the
books that we read and the people that
write them come to life. Fascinatingly
enough, today we don't have an author.
We actually have a character, somebody
who is a big part of this absolutely
magnificent book called I'm Not Alone,
written by Reva Pomerance, but it's
really the story of your mother, Aloha
Hashalam. Um, an amazing amazing person.
I read this book. I couldn't put it
down. And one thing that just kept
coming up over and over and over was her
rock solid amuna her and
so
take us back a little bit. You don't
have to share with us the whole book.
What are your earliest memories? Because
in the book you're literally born. What
are your earliest memories of your
mother of the being in Russia?
earliest memories are that
I was born in in in Koutayis that's in
Kafkas Georgia
and uh it so happened that my father was
uh wanted by the KBG because he was a
member of the Kabad community
>> the yeshiva
>> yeah the yeshiva so he ran way to
Georgia. This was far away. Like it's
still Russia but not in [snorts] in
front of their eyes. And there I was
born and u
and when I was actually a year and 8
months, my father was taken to the
Russian army and he was killed by the
Germans in Marshmall.
So my mother was left alone with two
little children, me like a year and
eight months and then my brother is 6
months old.
>> And as you'll see in the book, she
wasn't left in an easy situation.
>> No, there was literally there was she
had no food, no job, nothing. And so she
literally went [snorts] to the
marketplace and went running around in
the garbage and trying to find some
food. And uh
and maybe because of that, you know,
mean
we [clears throat]
[laughter] we have a healthy,
like you say, healthy body because we
had to eat the the leaves, the greens of
the radishes that the farmers threw out.
So I used to eat and cry because it was
bitter, but there was no food. So this
was and then like in the book you see
her mysterious nephesh literally putting
your life in danger choose to be able to
get some bread you know you know and and
under these circumstances
I was brought up and uh when I remember
that like actually a year later after
the war my grandfather my father's
father and his wife and a daughter
escaped from Lenigrad from the Germans
and they were swollen from hunger and
they came to our house and she took the
minutes of one room
and it's going to be funny to say but my
aunt like a step and not really full
there was no room to sleep so I was a
little child and I slept together with
te in the bed in that time there was no
pampers so she used to tell me you made
me always [laughter] sweat.
>> I mean I I mean this was the
circumstances
>> you know it's unbelievable. So
but uh and then I remember as a little
child actually I loved my grandfather.
He was very seldom at home because he
was literally traveling all over
collecting money for the underground
dish. It was unbelievable the serious
snish. [snorts] So, but I loved him and
and there was no food. So, I used to
save some of my food and I remember this
putting under the pillow so when he
comes home we should have some food.
This was four years old. You know,
[laughter]
>> that was it was really it. So it and
then uh
the escaping from Russia, you know,
false papers, Polish papers, all this
>> and that also was such an incredible
story. You have to read the book.
>> Yeah. You know, unbelievable. And then
when we came to lodge to Poland, so I my
mother knew Polish because she was born
in Kenovo this near the Polish border
and it was exchanged many times. So she
spoke Polish. So the Jewish
organizations,
everybody was from Russia and really
weren't so many Polish Jews. So they
asked her to help them to to attend to
certain things you know. So I remember
still is I see it in front of my eyes. I
was very attached to my mother. I mean I
was six years old you know you have only
one mother no father.
>> No father right
>> and no no other relatives you know
strangers. So I
she was going to take like a Uber. It
was called a fight, a horse and buggy,
you know, and I was screaming, you know,
mommy, don't leave me alone, you know,
take me. She couldn't. So, I would lay
down on the street. I remember. And I
still see the people and the policeman
standing over me, you know, a child
screaming and everything. And the nest
was I I spoke only Georgian.
So I was trying to blackmail my mother,
>> but they didn't understand,
>> right? And I said to my mother, I'm
going tell them we're Russians because
we knew already, you know, and that was,
you know, so but nobody understood and
she left. So it was uh so this is the
way I brought up and then the
>> Can I stop you just for one second?
>> Sure.
>> If you read the book, your mother had
countless lives. every time that she
should have been arrested, killed, sent
to Siberia, somehow she pulls through,
which it doesn't seem like this book is
a story of one person. Could be the
story of 10 or 20 people. But one thing
was always there, one thread was
constantly there. And that's a
statement, a phrase that she kept saying
how she believes in the rebal. Where do
you get a young person whose husband is
dead, who has no food, who's raising two
little kids and trying to help everyone
else and life keeps becoming more and
more difficult, but her ammuna becomes
stronger. Where did she get that from?
>> Okay. So I myself tried to analyze you
know as a human being where did my
mother get you know such a not just a
but she was like sure
confidence that Hashem will take you
like with them when we had to cross the
border she said we had no papers someone
took away your papers and everything
she's going where you going they arrest
you by the border and like It's not even
in the book but the so smart
gave you such
they used to check you on the on the
train itself before the border to make
sure you have the papers. Okay. So
right before the conductor came to check
the inspector, she [snorts] went over to
one lady from the lady and asked her to
borrow your papers for 10 minutes. She
gave it. Then she went over to everyone
in the in the in in the the train and
said, "Is this the right papers? I don't
know. Is this the right papers?" to
everyone. Is this the right? Yeah. Yeah,
this right right? Then she gave her back
the papers. Now when the the inspector
came to ask for the papers, she had no
papers. So she said, "Wait, I lost. I
don't know where it is. Ask everybody. I
just had the papers." And the guy went
around asking everybody said, "Yeah, we
saw just before we saw with the papers."
I mean to give such it's not in the book
but I'm just saying the riess and and
the pinch you know to to and I mean and
it's it's you know it's
now I was trying to analyze it and it
was interesting I saw in the
[snorts]
he writes that what is the foundation of
what gives a person between and he says
Hashem meaning not that you love Hashem
that Hashem loves you
>> and he explains very
down to earth he says when you take two
people he says and you you you you want
to create like you say a a trust and
everything how you going to create a
trust it's only if you know that that
person
has unconditional love to you. He's not
out for himself. He's there for you. And
therefore, you would trust him fully.
And not just trust, but you you know
that that person loves you and he has
compassion for you. And that is divine
pony upon him. He will develop by you a
love to that person. He says and
so he says that when a Jew knows that
Hashem loves him unconditional he says
there this is what gives you
if you so so but if he says you don't
have that outlook he says and you think
that Hashem is the you know he's the
boss you know so if you mess up what
happens you you get you get punished,
you get fired. So he said what happens
is that people that don't have this
outlook on on on on lie on on the
relation with Hashem. So when they get
punished they say, "Oh, I did wrong.
Hashem hates me. Hashem, you hear it
from people that something happens. God
hates I did something wrong. I did." And
if God forbid, you know, things get
worse and worse, they say, "Oh, Hashem
rejected me. He want doesn't want to
have nothing to do with me." And
therefore, he says, "What happens is
that you
give up and you give up on everything,
not just on your relationship with
Hashem, but it comes to me." I said,
"What difference does it make? Hashem
hates me anyway. So let me at least
enjoy life. You know,
you know, he's going to die anyway. So
let me enjoy life. So So therefore he
says is so important to know and that's
it is so ise
not that you love loves you.
>> And did she always what did she always
call in the book? What did she call
my father? If a if a person and this is
by nature a little child as long as he
can his father is holding him he knows
that the father is there
he feels he does he's not afraid of
anybody you know so
her upbringing
the way a little bit in the in the story
but not everything it was it was a
person that instilled in her
>> her father
>> yeah ingrained in her she your mother
passed away. She was 7 years old.
Ingredient here, Hashem loves you. And
not just Hashem loves you. You know,
it's a handout. But Hashem
admires you. He gives you a he [snorts]
empowers you. You are so special to him.
You're like a partner with him in this
whole enterprise. You [snorts] you're so
when a person realizes me who am I you
know you know like in in in in a way
Hashem is always to understand the
godless Hashem how great Hashem is
before he dab and the shiftless hello
who am I so and that that Hashem wants
to have a relationship with me I mean
I'm baffled I I I don't know what how to
express my thanks Thanks to Hashem. So,
so this is what he instilled in her
[snorts] such a importance that in the
not everything is there in the book but
such importance. There's a beautiful
story with with with about the way he
expresses that she's about smell like
she's a princess and Hashem wants her to
dress like a princess. She's special,
you know. I mean, it it made everything
lifted it up and and and built it up,
you know. So, this is um
like a little thing he would take her
to, it's not in the book to kiss the
muza. There's only a few misus in the
house. was a small house. But he used to
tell it before you kiss the muza take
your hand put it on your heart and then
take the hand and put it there. In other
[snorts] words, it's your heart. It's
not just give a kiss your hand. Your
heart feel your heart should be there.
>> Beautiful.
>> And so he he instilled in her. and she
grew up with such a pride that she's a
she has an isome she's Jewish that
everything else was meaningless and it's
worthless so to her to bring up her
children
[clears throat]
that was her goal and if you see through
the her whole life she remarried again
and who did she marry
this and she was a beautiful very
outgoing going a lively woman. I mean
there were so many propositions she had.
I mean with money and everything. She
says what's my goal in life? I have a
mission and the mission is to break up
my children
and and you know it's and when she
actually when my brother was going to
the hoop
my brother is younger. I was married a
year before going to Kooper. So
now we're independent, you know, we're
already established from Eden. So she
said to reen
I'm ready take him back. I finished my
job,
>> my mission.
>> I finished my mission that she felt it
wasn't that there's me and I know and I
have some work to do. My whole being is
that I am a a ambassador from Hashem to
to do as a mission for Hashem and I
finished my mission. I brought my
children
now I can go but it seems Hashem had for
more work. [laughter]
You know when I read the book there's I
something struck me over and over. You
know, we're so fortunate. We have so
much. Life is so good. And yet we and we
struggle and even like you were saying
and yet you could have a person that has
nothing. Absolutely nothing. She has one
thing. You know what she feels? I'm not
alone. And that was worth more than
everything we have. And I feel like
today's generation, we need to read
these books cuz what are we really? Who
are we really? Everything goes away.
What's left? This is what was what
should be left. Can I ask you a
question? Do you remember like you know
getting your mother got remarried and
you moved to Cap Denmark? Where did you
move?
>> Uh Sweden.
>> You moved to you moved to Sweden and
then and then your stepfather is Nifter
and then your mother gets remarried
again and then her husband is Nif. Do
you remember like the loss and how she
coped with with so much? On one hand,
she did a lot of great things, but these
people were people who she had such
respect and love for and then to just
the third husband in her life.
>> She was a very
not just unselfish, a very humble person
because she was a very
mentally very smart, very sharp,
>> brilliant. It's unbelievable.
>> Brilliant. I I know people that you know
were very they were afraid to have a
conversation with you because she would
put them right away and instantly I mean
it was unbelievable. It's not she had to
think instantly she had an answer you
know she had but because of that she
really was able to I would say
project and see the the the inside the
premise of everything. So she wasn't get
doesn't get didn't get carried away with
external things you know. So when she
married Robert Hikin the second husband
there was nothing I would say externally
attractive or anything. There was no
money there was I mean
>> there were children a whole household of
children
>> not just that chiplat children we had to
we were sent back to Paris to Shiva
because there was no education in
Sweden. So here she's getting married
that the children should have a father
and now the children are sent back to
yeshiva. So she used to cry every night
[clears throat] because this was her
life but she took it like we know such a
cabola sale if this is my mission I have
to do it. So she she went through a lot
of pain, a lot of crying as a human
being. It's the only human. But the core
was so strong that this over overlapped
over everything, you know, and so she
had the biggest respect and admiration
because he was such a him, such a fine
person that you would think that she's
in love with him. I mean, by her this
was the the person. It was nothing else.
The person was his tail. His adal kite
meas the midas that what to hear was
important and he possessed it and when
she when he passed away she was
devastated
devastated like in the book actually
when she came into the reb after and and
she was crying. She said the reb was
crying together with her. very
but the idea is that she was and then
when she the reb push it didn't want to
marry bishop may finish wasn't you know
but the reb pushed it pushed it and the
reb like a a shotgun tried to convince
her it's going to be good and happy and
she really had the most beautiful years
in her life and
>> in her third her third marriage
>> third third marriage and uh She
I would have said she
she I would she really like say loved
him you know you know and the respect
and
you could think they're honeymoon honeys
you know like they just you know got
married so it she was able to I would
say like I said connect with the essence
of the person and this is with everybody
it was with children. When she played
with children, she was able to go down
to their level. Even with Gohar
Salmon, she was black
>> and in chronites and who who
was going to give her attention. My
mother used to invite me for a cup of
tea and give her support. She was crying
when she passed away. She was crying
like you know she had for every human
being like she was by us in Los Angeles
and she wanted to go to Tijana there to
new to Mexico is near Los Angeles and so
we get bargains there whatever and she
liked to travel. She was very outgoing
and very peppy. So my wife gave her
sanishes and everything, you know, the
whole day. She comes back and she says,
"I'm starving. I'm hungry." My wife
says,
"I packed you up. I packed you up." She
says, "Rael them." My wife is raised.
She says, "Rael, I saw the poor
children. I gave them away the food."
[laughter]
That's what of a type of a person she
was. She was
>> very giving
Em is a you know a truthful and this is
like I said she believed that you're
connected to Hashem and if you're
connected to Hashem
you know
everybody
I want to ask you one final one final
question you know every n every miracle
that she went through really enabled you
to be here today
>> and Kanara if you look at the end of the
book there's Dyus there's generations
There's children, there's grandchildren,
there's great grandchildren, I think.
Um, do you do you live with that mission
and do you tell your children and your
bin to Ben that they need to understand
what she went through and all the NISM
are of them? They obligate them to to
continue her legacy. Is that something
that you live with and that you
constantly try to push further? I I'll
tell you it's not you know it's not that
I want to speak about myself but she
automatically ingrained not by telling
me what to do that I look on life that
the Gashmies you know I mean
>> materialism
>> I tell you I had five children I didn't
have money to buy bread in Canada nobody
knew you would think I was depressed I
was depressed the rape show I I didn't
feel I was never happy tell it the truth
and I'm not trying to materialism never
meant anything you know this this you
know I mean and to me I'll be honest
like my mother it it it is in the jeans
like you say is
to to go and light you know to
like say you know mention
[clears throat]
you know mention
You know so that's the that's the dream
and and bashem thanks god in his house
and others see him you know that work
the king there you know is
you know shall continue you know is that
what my children do I
that they do is
>> amazing
you should have nas from your children
from the dyus they should continue to
keep her a legacy alive.
>> And to anyone who wants to read a book
that's going to change their life, a
book that's meaningful, a book that, by
the way, is continuing to be a
bestseller month after month after
month, buy the book. I'm not alone. I
don't want to say I'm going to give you
a money back guarantee, but I don't
think anyone could put this book down
after finishing this book and walk away
the same person. So, thank you for for
the gift of this book and the story. But
what I want is just one point is that
>> uh
>> she never felt that it's her
>> and she felt that everyone
can tap into this and the truth is I say
I I feel that what actually is why is it
so popular and is because we all have
our our our our problems and everything
And we feel sometimes like we give up
and say, "Ah, this is the life and
nothing will change." And but reading
the book, you see that here's a plain
woman. She didn't she didn't have Jewish
education. She didn't go to school or
anything. And they come she went to
communist school and everything that
anybody
should know. That's what the book is
that Hashem loves you no matter what.
Unconditional. We are his children.
>> Beautiful. And and that's the thing and
that is what inspires everybody because
it lifts up. Like I said, this book is a
very sad book. You cry. Everybody told
me they cried.
>> Oh, I cried a lot.
>> So So if you cry, why would it lift you
up? It would put you down. But it's it's
not a crying. It's a crying of your own
from your heart. It's not about her.
It's you're crying for yourself and and
you're being encouraged and and and and
and get empowered that I can get out of
it and Hashem is there for me
for coming all the way from Los Angeles.
Really appreciate it was a treat to meet
you and lots of
thank you.
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