R' Pinchas Horowitz: The Hafla’ah, His Life & Works

[Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr elzar brat we are here in the US on the eve of Kaneka I believe where you are in ER it's already Kaneka I see the light on your face you've already lit the first candle of kanaka so we could say and any other Kana greeting we would like to share we are here to do an episode on the we have done episodes besides theas that we've done to theas you going through the history of some of the on the we've done a few biographies we've done the AR the which hasn't been released yet but but we are here to do the ha many people have heard of the ha he has a safer hak on kin that's where I think the impetus for this episode came from even though we're already in bakama a ofer so those are some basic biographical details that most people know but as always the rabbi doctor will take us down a highway of information that I at least don't know and I'm sure many of the users from the feedback we've gleaned don't know either and enjoy listening to so this episode has been 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life story is shrouded in mystery until today it's even a Hot Topic as I will discuss an excellent work on the ranam of Frankfurt which is where the FL ends up the last 33 years of his life becoming the r the r at the time Hartz writes w about the ranim in 1882 he is a son-in-law of Dar in his own right we actually mentioned a little bit about him in the episode NE of cleaves and this Martz in his book on Rani Frankfurt he deals with he's the first big source that deals with the materials about AF and he had Pim of Frankfurt which we'll discuss shortly and um but the problem is this work was written in German in 1882 so it's only first translated into 1972 into Hebrew so it's not able to be used as much for the most part until the 1990s no serious material about him was published then in the journal kid space AR Isel which is based on amongst other things publishes manuscripts from that is housed and the stallen the Reb was incredible swarm Library tons of materials of the flow not tons but very important materials of the flow was published and series of Articles dealing with him again around 2010 till 2012 some more new real serious documentation was published from him previously most of the material written about him was based on each person copying from the other without checking into things saying things that get embellished over time and they're not based on real facts as we'll mention a little bit shortly some of the recent discoveries are just fitting into the previous outcomes even though they're not based on proper out not based on proper sources they're not even using materials published back in 1882 even when it was translated in 1972 now in 2002 in sorry in 2010 2 to 2012 soav ketki son of ketki publishes four articles about him first in yu then two in yurin and again Inu defending some of the sharp attacks that took place about what he wrote in some of these articles two articles of ketki are based on the pinkas Sim of Frankfurt which still has not been published in its entirety now just to explain briefly what does it mean pink kasim of Frankfurt so we know wealth of material remains on many cities they had different pinkas Sim they could be pinkas Sim of the bzden the protocols the back and forths of the diim there's all types of different pinkas many were destroyed World War II but many survived and they exist to jump in our friend Naki Weinstein has had at least one that I could recall episodes on Pim I believe he had Professor elisheva kbak is her name who has studied this and it's very fascinating information yes yeah yeah now early historians before World War II A lot of times had access CU they a lot of times researched their own cities so they could used the pinkas Sim some of those materials have been destroyed but some survived and in recent years it's been a Revival not only Professor Alish also there's just to mention a pinkas of Mets 20 years of the Bez of the Shas was published in a beautiful massive T of an addition from Professor J burkowitz Professor Mo Kahana who worked a lot on Prague and theud Bas M and theud discovered incredible documents about coffee which is is a fasc story and as we know cof is very important but the story that he he able to uncover from these Pim is incredible buter Pim has a lot of times information a lot of information is boring but there's a lot of exciting information like a lot of things you learn and you see you could sometimes make Amazing Discoveries DAV ketki publishes the parts pink of Frankfurt that relate to the and theur journal I was told that Goldberg when he received this volume in in 2000 in those years he was very very excited everyone knows wasw was a tremendous D and he felt these and the materials in these pinkas Sim were were fascinating for him personally I think based on that it's very useful for danim to use these type of materials for various reasons something I hope to deal with an article that's hopefully coming out shortly one last source that relates to this city Frankfurt is and also pink is that Professor Edward Fram published from a D in Frankfurt that was on these this of that flaw during these years which also gives us to a window into issues of many different things that were going on in daily life at that time and we'll get back to the points that one of some very brief points about it shortly now what's the basic information about the flaw so we don't have to look any further is that he himself in his introduction to the of his Masterpiece published in his lifetime 1787 he writes basically who does he learn by he says my a and he learns by him it sounds like he doesn't mention anyone else until he gets married and he to sit and learn um without interruption and he has a brother who his older brother and he learns with him for for a year this this brother gets a job as a RV so he ends up going to his other brother his this brother is a famous and they learn he learns with him he says this is the saying this they learn to learn the the of and they get the Torah they learn ezar also a lot and they a lot into all this is found in this introduction okay fine so he's clearly listing out who his rabim are and then he says that he publishes the safer um this is in the country this is in the back of his work onus which we'll discuss what that this kous aan is in a moment in the to the actual safer and now is a massive safer known as sh which we he he actually talks about in his introduction calling it chatan he writes in a very very incredible Hebrew a well-written introduction about his life more details talks about that he was a r in two different Kil eventually he gets after two small kilas he doesn't we don't even know much about it but it sounds like he had there and he was learn and he learned a ton from his tal and we're going to get back to that point to and then okay fine eventually there's Wars there's danger he gets he gets offer the Stellar in Frankfurt and it's a famous city he says and I take the job okay um he writes that he loves the job here a lot of times ranim did not necessarily see eye to eye with the Kila from documentation the pink Sim already from DAV ketki and others um we see that the kahila loved him how do we know this they raised his salary more than once this is also some are familiar with the history of rabim in general this was not the case Okay anyway during these years he learned with he has AA there and um and you see from him that the main thing was that he's able to learn with and they they learn he tries to learn the MS fine he decides to put out his starting with says I learned in Yesa um and he did great intense un it it's a amazing M as he calls it which we dealt with the origins of this pisam so to speak um he was a source that we mentioned and eventually he hopes to print his other on the rest of other and also he says he has writings okayer he deals with the name why he gives it a flaw he has a RM himself his his mother his father all these types of things and mider publishes the sa fine um he also says to make sure to be in carefully into what he says um and you okay mean say Don't just if you found a mistake don't assume it's a mistake first be then in the back going back to the the um he writes that not only did I feel that I have to learn um right sorry about CH but there's also an aspect of and that's what is int he goes through and it's remains a classic and he writes in this um introduction the importance of learning not only it's not only enough to just learn the lus you also have to know and come out with Mascus okay fine now this work becomes a classic and we're going to analyze it more in a in a few minutes now but it's first published in 1787 the question is how does Frankfurt in the 7 early 1770s when they're seeking out a RV how do they hear about him how is he so well known he's a RV as I said in small cities that no one really heard of um he's not a talmid of any as far as we know of any famous people so why does this city of Frankfurt which is a prominent City decide to pick him and in general this is a question I've mentioned in the past how does a gole become famous so at times we know he writes a classical work but as I said it's only published 15 16 years later some he has tell me them okay but we don't even know much is tell me them sometimes it's through a controversy and that gets us to is there any controversies that we could link possibly to that flaw that could bring him his him to get to the ears of the of the search committee of the ear of Frankfurt okay so here we quote the famous RAB rabid doat um you've mentioned his uh different podcasts of his so here he his Doctorate is devoted to theud and what's very significant to the doctorate not only is it about the nuda it gives you a lot of times picture of that so he brings out that there was a massive controversy one of the many controversies was involved with something a pulus that started in 1755 I'm not going to go into all the details of this pulus because I hope to devote an episode about it at some point um but the point is that there was a Rua Hartz he was married to a woman and sounds like it wasn't a happy marriage he wanted a divorce she didn't want a divorce they didn't have children but kiter the uncle is rabit hamburger rabitz hamburger is a very good friend of the Yuda from the from their days learning in the clo of bra okay he's a r at the time and he he he holds in the end that that that they could give a g and they have to give her a get in a very which basically is they she doesn't want to take the get so they have a get written up by the son of the Yeshua and a is made and basically she's the this is says according to words of Rabbi cats she was accosted on the street and her arms were forcibly held by two polish s soldiers hired for the purpose at that point the agent thrust the G onto her person even as she screamed in protest okay she's divorced this this this yid Rua hesel he's a in Galia he gets married okay she was still very opposed to this she said she had no right to get married and she also throws in that she has a complaint that the document as it was during this holding down it got ripped and there's a whole de that the the get is ripped okay anyway this was a pulus a lot of trist written about it many years later the it seems around 10 years later the nuda writes a chuva we don't know why he does but he's a this is his nephew and he writes a chuva saying that it's not a good get basically the is not a good and and the course of this controversy various andan and come out Yuda and what other at the time such as that we just the reab hamburger who is his friend he's not only that he's also his who why the son ofuda is married to him so this is a family feud as they say and a lot has to been written about it okay who gets involved at one point writes a whole Chu about it arguing on so the theory is this theory is proposed by hars and R Frankfurt that this true brought he this was a big pullus at the time and this got the ran Frankfurt not and the and the city they heard about him through this writing against so they realized he's he did aov and everything so he's a person to look out for and to try to get him to be the r the problem is it's a nice Theory but how in the world do they know this do they had they had they're not the Frankfurt City although they sometimes did get involved in different controversies they're not involved in this particular controversy the true cha is not printed till many years later 1837 what happened they got the chuva they found out that the the the news said oh the wrote this chuva going up against Yuda now they said ah we see it's very strange but okay we don't knowa he downplays herts downplays the relationship between the and however they the and the besides for being related are close what does it mean close the re back of land right about father at one point it seems wanted to write a on his son said him what do you mean is already and he says even though that still I have what to say and then he says he mentions basically with great C he's constantly mentioning him this is what Rando says he remembers all the years when he whenever will come up about him fine anyway as far as it goes this is there's a famous Legend which I did not have time to discuss what's the legend the legend goes to the get of cleaves in the get of cleaves episode which I try to jam in as much as I could in the one hour but there's a a ton more to discuss one aspect is that who becomes the r of of Frankfurt our hero of today why so they say is like this they were fuming atud who's one of the against the the the whole who caused the whole TL so what happens they made a Tak that the that the we spoke about this that he can't become a RV in the city of Frankfurt now you'll say what okay we'll get to this in a moment actually but the point is that so they didn't want any GLE that rode against the bezin of Frankfurt a TR so now they looking for a god of major stature everyone as we spoke about in that episode pretty much came out against the Bez of Frankfurt so who are they going to pick turns out the only person that didn't write a chuva on the topic is th Story Goes that he sat down to write a chuva against the same thing like the Yuda against Rani Frankfurt not once not twice not three times the ink tried up he took it as a sign not to write it so The Story Goes RAB shus and this is is why he um he did not this is why he ends up getting the job because he didn't write a Tru about it okay and they when they spoke him they didn't ask him what do you hold about to get a Cleaves okay so now I have to hear the rabbi Doctor's real thoughts on the story I have no idea but I'm gonna tell you Mish this is a thing you can never you you this story is is a very funny nuda with this story what's the story a friend of mine tells me in America I'm not I'm from America there's a named okay so it seems people start writing up tons of suak and shum of his and they publish different Contra of his I so the guy tells me this is a very interesting stuff so I I pick one to buy to test out okay I start reading it and fascinating material m m fascinating and what do you I find there he's talking about Kamas okay so sh is if you can make a kameha so basically he brings the whole story there was someone in Thea who was very sick he says they asked him basically to write a Kam so I wrote aeh him he says I wrote it three times for him but made a mistake every time so I saw it was aim should not get involv with this I didn't write try to write Kus again and I don't do it anymore so you'll say to me this is speaking it's for me to stop writing I just made a just because I made a mistake three times well there's the story of that flaw the he brings down our story there's some inaccuracies in the way he talks about the G of cleaves but he brings down this that he wanted to write it and the ink ran out and he says like this that FL was the most unlikely candidate to become the r of Frankfurt why he's a talmud of the Mez mag who a and Frankfurt there's no connection soer he's even get the job but so what happens the ink spilled over the cha he took it as a and that's becomes the R so he uses this as aack for himself he's not gonna write he and he doesn't write Kamas because three times the kameha got messed up so he doesn't write it anymore so this is a that I I find this hard to believe that anyone came I mean people in Baltimore that heard the sh probably know it I randomly came across this story okay anyways um fine but what about this connection to the maget of Mez we're going to get to it shortly okay be that as a May the city of Frankfurt picks him as the rough why no idea you have to understand and this is a very important UDA in the story that we're going to get to now and that is Frankfurt is one of the most cities it's not necessarily the largest city Prague is much bigger but you want to know something I come across that in that a few years before the get of cleave controversy before they got to Frankfurt who becomes the of Frankfurt and the Su of of of against the get they wanted the after his R of prag they were trying to get him to become the RV they were scouting out for a RV and this is in the years in um n in sari 1750 and 1759 so they were this is a city that's looking for good raban now they got great raban one of the over the centuries was the not not at the time time without getting hopefully we will devote an episode just to him he's one of the rabim of Frankfurt for years so this was a city that had the Superstar so they had right and that's what they were looking for in this Goa and there's a very very important Point that's been over shadowed it's been not been emphasized enough at this time when that flaw is there it's a City full of tremendous lists out a bunch of them there's a full of more than six or eight and there's clo at the time if you look through the documents thatav kamki publishes there was at least two CL that were run where people learning like K this is a whole story of the CL in in that period of time this is like small little kyos that they had where the bre CL we once mentioned in an episode it was very people was funded by some rich people okay anyway bottom line is he must had a great reputation we're not sure what it's based on but they definitely checked into him and this is very important they checked in him and in 1771 he gets the job okay not only is he the he's the and he has a Yesa he always mentions it in as I said even when he's handling the introduction ofus and everywhere he's talking about now we don't know how many people are in thisa not only that we don't know any of his that learned there which is now it doesn't mean just because he had a Yeshiva that it's this massive Yeshiva 400 or something but he had a Yesa okay okay now let's um before we get into more let's go specifically into for let's just devote very briefly a few minutes into the actual two famous they published many times the was first published in 1787 and 1801 comes out we have from Fran and you see already a few years after 1787 writing to him and saying in TR in his truis that we have of his give so we see that they say oh you're an expert in ezzar we saw in your on Onis so writing to you this and this chuva okay so we see right away the safer is being accepted and one of the that's one way of seeing that it's very popular another way is it was published many times buter in recent years discovers much more material of for they publish it they have ofus who you'll have to wait to hear the episode on him but in in the episode on him we discussed briefly there's a he's done a lot into the words so you see right away his his material is being handled the great great writes in a letter about getting it's a famous saer everyone's using it out fine what's the the so just to mention briefly when you look through it carefully you'll be able to find there's a major emphasis on he uses at the time he's one of the first that are using that were available the r this is these are that we spoke about in the episode K and on he has them and he uses them CAD this opens up many doors to new Tyra and this is a whole discussion after now he uses the so much so at one point he says I just got the he the saer is done T into the Shak of the gash tons into the mar which we spoke a little bit the significance of this in the episodes hundreds of times he quotes the mar but we'll see more about that now the Yeshua is written in 1739 not so much earlier so you'd say what can you add and you see already the sa is a massive to and he deals with theu hundreds of times so we see a the impact of the P we see that he still felt he has what to add but he does it no um Z okay and we see it's he also brings the which is also unique for also a different story also as I said he's very in he even devotes in both the sections completely dealing with K fine just to mention the introductions that he writes and publishes for the and the are incredible with full of to relating to Li other aspects which we'll touch on shortly okay does he have any other so the answer is me say did he write other from it sounds like he has okay someone recently sent me a recording a recent recording of R alter from G and R alter was giving a Shear in front of gam this is this is taking place rashash time Al me he says he's telling them Masha from he says he says I'm call that it's really then he says did you know wrot called and he says um now interestingly enough I was not able to find that he wrote a like this mean to say he cross references in his writings all the time his other but it's possible that there that he does mention even by name the saus but he says said that he heard a dealer had theor of re 40 50 years ago and then suddenly got lost sadly he was bought by someone who knows what happened he doesn't care what it's worth just publish it it's beyond important says then he says telling this to tum 16 17 year olds you don't you don't know that the is so sweet the in it is amazing and then he says on you could dip the into the safer it's he keeps on saying this and he's looking at these B and he's saying it looks like I'm the only m know that knows about the safer that understands safer no one no one understands it but then he goes on and gives a whole thing from the the H anyway is there other masas from that FL over the years published and the answer is yes they found the different masas nice amount of material even on bab so that justifies us even though is already learned bakama we're doing it during the bakama time so there's material a nice amount of material and Prince this massive set and in this massive set they have all the stuff like it's eight volumes fine okay um and then as they said in 1837 a chuva safer of his is published now interestingly enough to throw out there I always have to throw out says that it's interesting sometimes you can have that one particular safer there becomes famous and a different saf there is not known he says unbelievable impact it's much less used barely anyone even knows that he has a Chua safer let alone what the name is but his safer and everyone knows there's different times different reasons behind why certain writings of different get more accepted there's no real reason behind it's all tot in in okay anyway up till now I'm obviously avoiding and now we're getting to the action over here as they say what's going on did he write anything else the answer is everyone knows that he wrote a work he mentioned in the introduction to us called so through the safer we're going to get to what the controversy in recent years has been about FLW and we get to a whole new that made him also very very special and this is like this when I mentioned just now that he has these Hamas and these hdas to theas and and the to kadan which are incredible they need to be learned over and over they have tons ofas with about and for R also should learn them in general which I'm going to quote this time one or two things from there but I mentioned he quotes the now looking through the work you'll find that a is beyond important for him not only is he concerned with every but he's also every from and K which has a nice amount of a he deals with it equally and the t is beyond important he always throws it into the mix okay fine so not only in his and his but in this it's a tremendous work in the world of beyond beyond important okay now this gets us to the story of the I mentioned his brother he says he learned by his brother everyone knows tremendous one of the great early and we have to be clear I'm saying this at the outset we have linkage of the flaw and and where do we have this writes this in more than one place and we have from a great mag and in his he mentions that he who did he see when he was by the mag he would say these two brothers ofka and afla so no one is denying that that he saw mean say no one's making up and saying the a never saw the m at all has nothing to do with him what are you talking about okay as the stories go and in in different parts some people like to some groups of people make more stories than others or really I actually think all groups like to make stories about their so there's a whole genre of stories with and and if you look at the beautiful para um weekly paraa sheets that comes out Alum L trua from Bells from antp so they have writeups in almost every issue about all types of not only and they're excellent they're excellent writeups always so they have two articles way back about afla so right away you could you have to understand I just want to stop you here for one second this may be one of the first times you are quoting from paraa papers and parha sheets so people should take notice that you're you're um suggesting and encouraging certain par sheet Tru which I agree I don't see it around a lot it doesn't get put out of my but fascinating content for years and years and years and I see that happy to hear and see that you read them yes so the truth is that it's not always accessible for me I I wish I had access to it on a steady basis a lot of times they do get to my Shool but a lot of times they don't sometimes they're available online sometimes they're not they're very not it's like you have to have to get on their email list sometimes they add people to the email is not some not and sometimes they have M incredible material related to other things also so if anyone here is listening and has pull and connections to get Rabbi Dr elzar brought onto the alua email list please reach out help help him out help him out he doesn't have enough papers in his house just my wife might not be happy with you anyway the point actually you could get in PDF so then it's fine anyway so in this in this essay on the FLW right away you could see the do of this great and they bring makus now m are real the balatan and the and others are much much later and their heart again doesn't mean that they're not real they're okay fine if me say if they were just those sources we wouldn't even link him at all to the mag okay fine now which I'm very fond of the aliar I quot um I quote her every once in a while was a r in in um T and this person was a r who had a massive swarm collection and the whole swarm collection was donated to the Li there and you could see till today it's so he had May in and he brings also a whole thing about the pmy office it's published he writes the year it's published he has the wrong year but he says it doesn't have in it t of the B it doesn't have anything of the the Magid what's going on everyone knows that that flaw is from the of theal of the mag so he says someone told him a r in in in um R told him that it's said that in V they saw the kavad the original kavad of the py office and that they had and in there there is material from the B and from the m and it was taken out it was censored and he says there's probably much more and he says um this is a terrible censorship and um and there's other fed that also mum do censorship okay they're fine um he brings down that someone mentioned to to someone over here in Tel Aviv about a manuscript to the he didn't have money to buy it okay fine so but this story I'm quing from there's other um um sources there the different that said this that it's had in it tons of ofas it was taken out okay fine now I have found in my life many times people claim something and simply careful searching proves that these claims that were said are not really true we have a massive safer in front of us okay so first of all um let's go with the aspect of censorship now no one is denying that he he was by the Magid we don't know but that's all we know he went to the mag how many times by the mag he sat by him for how long what did he exactly learned by him what was his connection but the the the sentiment that they want to make into him that he was a hidden all those 33 years that he's a in Frankfurt is a little stretch but they we'll see a little bit more about this shortly buter it's taken out the materials are taken out the question is who's taking this material out so at one point they say his son took it out okay now his son we know is already in frankt with him a tremendous WR close correspondence with him even does a and his daughter marries his son I think it's his son if not it's his nephew and the point is we have his truis and we have his drush and we know he became he took over his father Stella and his father dies unbelievable es and materials in those for but the point is there's no way in the world we don't have any evidence whats that he had anything against that he's going to censor his father's work you have to understand the censorship is also more because we said the afla writes his introduction who's rabar so the censorship took place in his lifetime he didn't write who his re the mag mezich is he only says his father and his brothers okay now the problem is like this when does the SE come out and how does it come out so this is a fascinating thing and this is actually what sparked my whole interest into going deep deep into that flaw is like this my hero as you like to call it he's always somehow gonna get involved over here buter as I mentioned in the past he made it his business to have to do with the before him at a young age he's already in correspond with the he's into the he loves the okay when the dies he makes sure to get the manuscripts of the he gets the manuscripts of the pal he is the person who publishes the funds it edits it puts it out in 1825 now what's the problem the problem is without getting into it right now is according to all one of the great that's sympathetic quote unquote to use graba terms with so who's doing this censorship so you mean to tell me didn't realize that this work was censored because it came the way he describes it was a mess tle was a mess so someone went we don't know who this person is but we chalk it up to the city of Frankfurt is this evil city but I already mentioned the out the city of Frankfurt at this time this is not a evil city it's a k of a city who are in love with their R so they're not no one's tampering with the materials of that flaw that he's really bringing materials what's another they say there's tons ofas in there but you can't see it he the the rashis and the initials and all the pieces so I I challenge and I I'm be more than happy I have no problem whatsoever if it is AER tell me take a a bunch of pieces and show me these pieces are straight up from only found not if I find that also also go with that other people before did which has been proed cader take a piece many pieces let's say known Ty which is New pieces of the maggot so to speak and show as it's yet to been done yes at one point they try to find a few such pieces but a few pieces doesn't make a difference but we're going to get more into this in a moment my point is the censorship is a problem you're you're accusing the son of the FL who's or these are not people at least for me don't start up with them fine but you whatever it is you could always blame it on these unknown people which will get back to they have work out for them that they do have something possibly to blame it on anyway the point is let's go focus a drop on this work what is this work so the law is incredible I I recently made a s there to try to learn it weekly and it's full of everything tons ofas I have no idea but cabala AR yes those pieces go way over my head but there's tons of regular fascinating ideas and tons of stuff handling in the everyone knows I'm I'm going to get to an example of that he says shortly all the that we have endless amount of literature from the prous and onwards how did the based on thear and about it and he has these three famous trashes and we have reel much later on dealing with it and M endless literature about it and I hope to deal with it in episode shortly but the point is that the um the point is he in the C he's constantly dealing with it and how he's learning it up and he's showing and he's showing of his his and his unbelievable stuff going on how he's careful reading the okay Rashi ra he deals with all these things okay but what makes this that it's so incredible so interestingly enough I one day a few years ago I decided to pull out the safer and I start looking at the safer I'm trying to like forget about at the time the all the articles about it so I shouldn't have any try to remove myself from any bias whether it's a work whether it's a work whatever the work is it's a work it's an unbelievable work okay what is the work and all of a sudden I'm starting to look at and I see tons of times it's handling tons of times handling okay also again tons tons I recently decided to do a computer search hundreds of times okay not One V two vs okay have nice what pass sa fine so I go back to my hero sois as I said he's the person who publishes the safer and funds the safer he's trying to talk and he's and he's a of that for someone wants to read the three four pages not three pages it's close to 10 pages that he wrote about thew and the and the saer and his own tyus throwing it in he then he says about the safer what is the safer he says then he says okay and then he says I don't have to go any further I was to my hero I look further in the now you have to understand as I said he's this guy who does make sure that I think he must have been behind and getting so first of all the first has SC of the sfers from the up writes so we see again the point I'm bringing out the ties he doesn't mention anything you're putting out the mag's biggest helm we nothing fine say then we have a beautiful and we're gonna see and shortly about it we have theas again we have writes it was given to puts it out it's not a big deal we're g get the tal okay who do we have another as from T Frank again what does he say again Frankl is very very sympathetic to his ties to the S through M so the point is the safer they learned the safer they knew what the safer is and that's what they say the safer is so even if you can say there's really these now I can't talk about it first admit these the pieces are above my head in the first place so but the point is this it's not um it's not okay one minute but what what's going on what happens over here so first of all we have to understand is there any conclusion to the story of these missing pieces and more than that what's going on over here so the answer is like this um so first of all oneuda I really need to be Mish so sorry oneuda is I'll fast forward to the end and then we go back to the theory because the theory is important anyway and that is like this the fast forward to the end is 2010 it turns out there is a manuscript of the Pam which has materials not found in the Pam a whole volume of material there's a a journal that came out for a long time from the B ofas called and there this Cass there were many pieces of that flaw that were not found in the P turns out there was in Belgium that had the p in his collection how he got it is mysterious I can't get into the details right now um but the point is that he had it eventually it ends up it seems it's in bar Park and located the manuscript a copy of the manuscript and what happens is in 2010 2012 part of the set on the PanAm office put out by from his name is just this person needs credit for his job I believe his name is R gross um and this his name is R gr gr decides to learn the Pam and he puts out five volume work on the p and is like this the p is CAD throwing himself all over his this all over and he's and he writes very so he throws you if there's a if a if there's a pamas somewhere else that could help you understand it it's incredible to use this work it helps you understand the pamas because a lot of times he could write few more lines in a different place that sheds light into it other times it's based on that he said elsewhere so this fellow kamki hooks up with him and he publishes the the missing work the edited piece volume of the P again what do we find here so this is a he claims his in here it's yet to be proved it seems it's heavy cabala um part it's very hard again there's no names there's no nothing okay and the answer is it's it's not true at least in my opinion my biased opinion that there was no censorship whatsoever of taking out names of the Great beforehand or materials that might be claimed to be okay but now what's going on and this is we get to the last two NAS that we have with we have three more Nas with I'm sorry to reach the end number one I keep on saying that this city is a city you have to understand people that read the is proud is born in Frankfurt that's where he gets to meet the AF holding calling him one of the main people he calls myi is the AF from these years he never goes back when he leaves at 19 and he's proud of this city he holds this is aush of a city so we have to understand we're talking about this is the period of time that flaw is getting higher this is the time that flaw is active it's a k City it's not a problematic city as I said in the city okay and the always called himself a frankurt city frankurt okay so what's going on over here turns out like this a tragic story happens and this story is like this they discover a letter from the great God which we mentioned a little bit about him in the episode The get of cleaves steinard so this great y basically wrote We they found a letter where he's writing to who we also spoke about in the get of C's episode about what's going on there's something going on in the city of Frankfurt when is this happening a few months after thew is in the city so the understanding is that basically that steinhardt was writing to theud telling him to tell the you're pretty much so you're coming to the city of Frankfurt Casas is not for the city and don't do or act do things openly don't have anything to do now in those years what's happening is and this mentions it and has it there is a floating around this is right when the first against came out which talks about the variousness that the people in L and Galia had against so the fear was by the mag is coming in and he's going to fear ice and he turned Frankfurt into City so tell tell the okay you know write him a letter we don't have this letter the problem is like this when you read this letter carefully this letter is talking about something else most of the letter is dealing with Adler who's Adler so anyone who knows anything about always knows is is this tremendous who did all types of he reinstituted daily in his CL where Isler from the city of Frankfurt he's born in Frankfurt he's a talmud amongst others I think from leaving from the Yeshua um and also a talmid of a friend of from descendants of ram anyway this time explodes a controversy against rosan Adler which we're not going to get into all the details but the point is that he was doing all these like hugus and these materials and this pulus was happening literally in those in that kufa and they were getting very nervous about it Ras ma in Frankfurt was getting very nervous from rnas Adler and you have to understand they're come from the same Bas Med so this is fascinating they're seeing it and they were getting nervous he was learning they were doing various things that they're mentioned in the on this topic um that came out and we're not going to go into all the details of this pulus but they basically rocked the city of Frankfurt at the time M that were raised in the which was for a different there was called like in the term people that were being in his private CL which the city of Frankfurt they got very nervous from so basically it's not that the flaw was the one that was being accused if you read this document very carefully as far as I'm able to see has nothing to do with that flaw has nothing to do with them shutting K they want to say that what happens is that fla comes in G no no be quiet don't talk about it so basically he gets the job they now you have to understand who's the against he's the one behind them him ra getting the job so they know he's a person or so to speak and they still take him but then they right away shut him down and say make sure don't you ever say a word anything mget I don't want to hear a word or you gonna get booted out ridiculous thing to say that they're GNA say this on the god that they hired Beyond but not only that tons of things are me this pink has in depth about the never once does it say by the way we said to that floor when you come by the way you didn't realize you're getting a job over here don't say a word anything kidish over here we're going to throw you out this is a city a city they didn't know anything about they had nothing to do never came to this area of in Germany okay anyway the point is that there's a lot to say about this a lot written about it the is its own episode we're not going to do that let's just um conclude with the last three Nas briefly and that is as follows um number one the Pam y as I said it deals with the so um as I said there's a ton of literature about it so there's that that FLW says numerous times and this plays out in controversy that took place few years 20 30 years after he was that as as follows we know how do they do shabas says like this that we know how does the Jewish calendar work it goes the night and then the day so the way the other kept shabas is they did the day and then the night so then it's not a problem because they weren't doing shabas the way it was after Mountain Tyra there's a few places this himself now this actually plays out in a whole famous controversial deal between one of the controversial pieces of the and we're not gonna get into that but does this have any turns out it does basically in the 1840s there was a gedc a guy who was who's looking him to be M and everything and he on Thursday it seems in the beginning of the week he gets the MAA but it wasn't healed properly so um he couldn't go into the mik yet come shabas what are you going to do was away fundraising this is taking place in 1848 he's fundraising and the Shila was this this G is getting sick what should you do and the point was he said what do you mean you didn't you weren you did the but you didn't do so you have to so you still don't have a dinner of Yi this he gave a whole and that time in the journal which we spoke about everyone mixed in fine the great J RAB J in contemporary problems has a whole mass of piece about this n different about this he over here that that what someone wanted to this that you see that before what what a that this person could have done that he wouldn't be considered would be to keep in this he says turns out doesn't like this he says has this which is anyway doesn't mention but it turns out it's a fasing Chua because it got mistaken to be in the CH whatever not for now and bottom line is the in the back writes that the P he brings down this P he says he doesn't like it he has why not fine anyway point being that the P I'm just throwing out Auda how the p is okay fine just fast forward the pulus is one of the famous pulus that the does get very involved with he's antiel Wesley whoever you want to call him the beer of Mendon he gives a famous published first by the Pam this new edition this new volume that they discovered in 2012 so to speak they put it in from manuscript har okay anyway lots of different things about it um we're not going to go down this thing because I hope to actually in a series of mine that I hope to um start releasing on the eventually to deal with the whole pulus of of and the beer and what roll and this was okay fine but the point over here is and this leads us to our end is the and that is like this as I said just now he's anti he's anti the beer he's anti Wesley so there's a a v is supposed to say over that he heard from his reab that if you find a person wrot but he doesn't publish anything on or on but he just writes about Tyra it's a problem and he says this is when when did that FL say this in the times when the SPM of Mendelson and Wesley came out okay so fine so we see that and possibly to what we know about the of Menon which is is also it's a massive Own Story okay fine now the once it comes out as I said he gives this beautiful as to Salman and the point is that um he's using it all the time there's even a m that says that he quotes it in all his Dres from the 1820s and 1825 when his published he's quoting it all the time interestingly enough when he talks about his Reb he says he never heard them say publicly the say in a interestingly enough in that D that he said that was published which is one of the only Dr as we have that against tal there he quotes a few times as I said in the pom off he says that a bunch of times but who said he said those names when he spoke on and but in this that's published that he gave in 1780s he quotes a few times I okay but there's a famous thing of the now this is and this to conclude with this and this is as follower is the tal of the we don't even know exactly how much he learned by him when he learned by him but what famous is and and as I said we don't even know who the other tal of the FL is and this is you saw these two last two sentences is Insight in general that says number one I said is if you look in that so he talks about a question that many people in grapple with first some people grapple should you go into because it's gonna affect in their learning when you learn not it's not the same that should not be when you learn with you have to understand that you're not going down in a d through unbelievable and you get you don't go down at all don't worry about it says the in beautiful ter beautiful language then says in his in his introduction this is I believe in he says that um you should know that you get much more from the tal than the t gets from you and we find this concept many times with different gum that they say that the that they had being a rebi is unbelievable so to conclude that we don't even know we know that he's a rebi rash we know he had but who is the person that we know who's no one is under D to talk about him but if that's your tal was definitely worth it and we see the words that flow were definitely with this anyway obviously that flood is many more things to go down the Pim that I said publishes we have mercy on the audience but these are just some of the issues with the great to discuss with the great G of a and some of them hopefully we will return to in the future wow this was a packed episode I haven't seen you animated and excited while discussing a topic I have to be very careful I might get banned from this episode you know yeah yeah know this this really brings out your fire and passion a lot more than discuss manuscripts manuscripts I'll tell you I'll be honest like this I was very controlled just to be honest because I'm being recorded I have to be controlled if I wasn't being if I wasn't being recorded forget about it but anyway that's exactly my point this is with being controlled correct correct anyway do you want to quickly turn around and pull out a safer yeah uh give me one second as we're talking about the the K Journal so it's still current today one could sign up and I think you can get it it comes out once every two months so over the recent years I see a fellow YF sapron he's writing about Kadesh everything about Kadesh these massive articles okay all of a sudden I see and this not the first work but I see a five over 500 page work from this fellow all about kades everything from and it looks beautiful where he basically goes through the he deals withad all the Alles everything he deals he has sections devoted to that go like him the r the everything cabal the world when you say it when don't you say it all different aspects it looks like a very well done liot it's printed very nicely and looks like it's worth um mentioning it looks like this and as I said since we quoted a bunch of things from the Isel some of the Articles of this were published originally in the Bas iron V okay excellent thank you very much this episode probably won't be out and published on Kaneka but I could wish you a happy Kaneka anyway and thank you very very much