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Welcome to Inside Arts Crow, where the
books that we read and the people that
write them come to life. It's a pleasure
to welcome yet again to Arts Grow
Studios, Rabbi David Sutton. Shalom and
thank you so much for coming again.
>> Thank you,
>> Rabbi Sutton. It's so exciting to see
that you are entering into the realm of
people who wrote Hagadas. The single
most published safer is the Hagada.
>> I hate to correct you. Go ahead.
>> But I have Hagada.
>> You you already have one. Yes. Oh my
god.
>> It's called the Spartic Heritage Hagada.
Co-authored by with Rabbi Eli Mansour
close to 20 years ago.
>> Okay. I'm not totally honest.
>> You were still a kid then. So
>> we won't hold you responsible.
>> So but Rabbi Satank asked you a very
crass question. Why is this Hagada
different than all the other Hagadas?
>> Very good. Well, it's all in the name. I
don't know if there exists a I have to
thank Aaron Zawitz for that idea. The he
told me, you know, you got to put out a
basada.
I said, okay.
>> Which is a slam dunk because isn't that
what the seder is about?
>> Yes, the seder is about that's
absolutely that's that's the goal.
>> Okay. But in typical Rabbi David Satan
fashion, you were not satisfied with
just writing a pirishanda. you gave us a
task, a mission um to prepare for PES.
So talk a little bit about how this
Hagada works.
>> Okay. So I'll tell you where it actually
came from. Um we put out I think you
interviewed me on the uh daily dose of
preparation for the Yamaha.
>> Correct.
>> Great safer by the way a lot.
>> What's interesting is art school doesn't
always believe in me. How do how do I
know when that happens? when they print
a thousand or 2,000 copies and say okay
look we're putting it out 60 for a
shauna how many are we gonna sell anyway
we'll put out a thousand 2,000 and I'm
always happy when someone says we call
the bookstores they're out they're out
of books they did not fathom that
Claudius wants over 5,000 copies
>> to prepare for a shashana and we can
figure out what claustrol wants by arts
girls book sales I was recently at the
gooda convention
And a friend of mine, Dr. Avi Michelle
spoke and he was speaking about Sha Bias
and marriage and how we don't really
have time to put into our marriage and
communicating. And his proof was from an
art scroll book. He said Art Scrolls
Dinner Done sold volume one over 100,000
copies. And he said
>> volume two as well
>> 70 or 80 at that time was 70,000. He
says what is he says I use the book. He
says what is it? He says, "I want to
make dinner with a tinfall bake pan. I
don't want to have to shop for cumin. I
don't want I want to have and throw out
the pan and not have to clean anything."
And it means over a 100,000 people don't
have time to make dinner. That's an
indication that Claus has no time.
And to praise Claus from the fact that
thousands of people went out and bought
a safer
Because they said, "Hey, I want to use
the 30 days before rashana to get
ready." That told me that wants to get
ready.
>> They made the time.
>> They made the time. Exactly. They made
the time. There wasn't dinner done for
they made the time to prepare. So I
said, "Let's try the same thing for
Pes." So besides this being the Hagada
with a daily dose of preparation. We
love that term daily dose because that
way it puts them into bite sizes and for
30 days beforehand and you could ask me
why 30 days. For 30 days beforehand you
can already start getting ready for the
s
>> why 30 days.
>> So what's very interesting is there's
ani that says the reason why we startash
is
30 days before a holiday after prepare
for the holiday. The source for is pes
>> right. So on on pim you're supposed to
be getting ready for bas already. So
this is the ultimate daily dose of
preparation. You need 30 days the grand
grandfather says that starting from 30
days before that there's already the he
says the kak of the sitra the negative
force is getting weaker and we slowly
chisel away for those 30 days. So
there's something in the air 30 days
before pesak. Now, it's a little bit of
a challenge because people are busy
cleaning for Pesak and so on, but we
have to find the time.
>> So, when somebody needs to take a pause
from Pesak cleaning and put their feet
up for a second, they shouldn't just sit
there and veg. Take it out and don't
just prepare your home, prepare your
heart.
>> We also have to be, you know, cognizant
and aware that many people go away for
>> Pesa.
>> So, they definitely have the month
before that should be their pray. If you
can't prepare cleaning your house, at
least prepare for the seda.
>> Rabbi Sutton, I just heard just I'm just
understanding a beautiful marketing
thing. Let's go to every PES program and
they should send all the participants
one month before the safer.
>> That's a great idea.
>> Is that a great idea?
>> I love that. Okay.
>> Okay. I'm I'm going to be on a pesak
program for a little bit. So maybe I'll
give them the idea. Great.
>> I got a commission.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. That's fantastic. Um so now let's
let's take a moment and understand the
importance of preparing for the seder
but the seder itself. So I know that you
spend a lot of time going through what I
think is the important part of the seder
itself. So bring us into what you're
preparing for and how the preparation
gets you into the right mind space or
just the right focus to make your seder
what it's really supposed to be.
>> So uh I can't go through an interview
without quoting Rula who I gained from
greatly
>> and one of his pet peeves were was that
we're not fulfilling forget about the
not [laughter] forget about that. What
are we supposed to be talking about? And
for years I did this in in the Torah
center where I teach is I always started
it's like a lot of times you know you
teach you teach uh anything you teach
previs you always you know the first per
they say let's start from the sixth per
you know you always start from the
beginning we never get to the end so
similarly people get burnt out they
start okay we have our seder you know
we'll give all the on then we'll go to
okay
he's the who's the Russia They both say,
"What's the difference?" They're both
asking the same question.
>> And that Gamatria guy, you know, the
Gamatria guy,
>> Kate equals 190. And and then we'll go
and start talking about all the
different And then when time we get to
say Lamad,
fast forward,
>> that's it.
>> You're out of here.
>> Yeah. Gone. And it starts singing the
song of Hisham. Then great.
>> What is the seder? So it's based on a
PK. What's item
and the malam says this is where the
text was based on it's
the brisk no let's okay then who you
tell which son there are four sons so
we're telling you what to do there's a
thing called hagada this is the manual
it's not every night right good to your
son when
at night
why by okay
>> right it's tonight it's tonight and then
it says after all that laymore tell the
story so I have a manual that tells you
when to who and how and imagine I tell
you why you give a speech and here's the
manual this is what you're supposed to
speak about to whom you're supposed to
speak about it and when and you get up
and you say okay let me tell you when
I'm supposed to speak about this to whom
I'm supposed to speak about this and
what I'm supposed to say but you didn't
say anything and that became your speech
the seder starts the Rambam says this
it's a Mishna the Ram says call is going
on this part of the seder which is
there's four and pareso and we take
those four and we break them down and we
daren every line of those everything
about those
arami ovi and we keep on going down
those we take a
And we break it down and we darian. What
does it mean? Um that uses a term of uh
vanitak. Okay, let's go back to parish
and tell them what it means. So we're
analyzing these forukim. These fourpukim
are the the the the short version the
what's those cliff notes. cliffnotes
instead of making me read the whole
schmos the era the whole the whole
you know what these four have everything
in it and I'm going to refer you back to
when it happened but this is the
structure and that's why for the 30 days
beforehand that's what I did I took 30
lessons out of these four sukim average
of about 10 lessons per pock or so and
that
>> and you're the pic master so
>> I love I told you that I love sukim. So
everything's in those sukim and you can
now again you have 30 days to really get
your material ready. If you have to
present something you know you're
selling a product you want to present
it. You put a lot of time in getting
ready you have to sell to your children.
So now you got what am I going to say?
You got to put in the time and say this
is where it's at. I'm going to
understand these
What does that mean? What's going on
here?
Uh,
what?
>> Where do you even find a sword?
>> What sword?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh,
what does also have to do with a mat?
And this is where it's at. And you know,
>> so so practically how
>> what does miss mean? What does miss
mean? I don't know what's miss
>> I saw that it's beautiful how
>> what's miss I don't even know what it is
the the Ramas says you have to
understand the words you're saying other
than the story what does it mean forget
the drasas that's the story you got to
tell the story so how do we transition I
think many of us grew up for whatever
the reason is we were the generation you
know post Europe post we were you know
we came to America and there was a lot
of focus on learning and therefore we
learn say night we ask questions
and and this and that. How do you get
your mishb to understand that? No,
that's great. We have eight days of pes
to talk about every and
say, but tonight tonight it's about
these and tonight it's about
how do how do how do we get there?
That's what Shabba is for. That's
beforehand. And interesting, I don't
know if we we mentioned this. Um, we
also have a pre and a post.
>> We didn't talk about it yet, which is so
cool.
>> There's a lesson on there's a lesson on
on on on the on shabas and afterwards
there's postgame show. There's a yashir
there.
So, it's going to it'll get you ready
before and continue afterwards as well.
>> That's beautiful. And you know what?
Before I went to tell you this before,
but like if people are willing to buy a
book and prepare for 30 days for
Russashana for themselves,
let's call a spade a spade. What won't
we do for our children? That's our life.
So it behooves us to prepare and
everyone says that if you want to have a
successful seder, you need to prepare.
And yes, even if stuff goes down at the
seder and your children are your
children and that fairy tale sader that
you thought you were going to prepare,
you don't have. But at least you'll have
something to go with or at least you
know what the most important thing of
the entire seder is. So that's that's
great.
>> And it's important to note that ladies
have the equal responsibility of a to
men. There's no difference. They have to
understand it. They're responsible. No
difference. So for those ladies that
like to have daily doses, don't shy away
from the as if it's a man's job. It's
>> at your seder. You use that approach
where you take these forukim and you
really try to unpack it. 100% that's
>> okay I can I can I come to the sentence
for one
>> s this is very interesting can I come to
your seda that's a very powerful line
one of my favorite detra here is if you
look in the
msub
they're the similar that are the end of
mak so you all know the story is walking
you saw this this one in there
>> no but I know it goes walking behel
And he sees he hears the Romans partying
and they're crying and he laughs. Why
are you crying? And the Romans are are
are celebrating like this and I
shouldn't cry. And he says, "So why you
why are you laughing?" He says, "Because
this is what happens to those that
destroy them. Imagine what's going to
happen to us." Then they go and they're
walking onto Harabas and they see a fox
comes out and they cry and he laughs.
And again he says, "Why are you crying?
Why you laughing?" And they say, "This
is the place." And he says, "No, there's
a tunas. If once one will be fulfilled,
the other
two is for both stories and means you
reframed us. You gave it a different way
to look at things." And they said,
"Where did you get that power from?
Where did it come from? Where does all
your come from?" And the answer is the
seda. And they said, "We want to spend
the seda with you."
>> Oh, beautiful. So that's why they came
to Rika because that is the the the
generator and that's why we say again
I'm not going to go all through all the
deta
again
is
52 what [laughter] that's like a staple
you must say that by every say every
rebi teach what in the world you see I
have no idea so now in that
it it gets into it's about regular
keshma by every night of the year. What
what's going on with you? And by the
way, that puk is said by
is said by the sedar night. It's in it's
in the So what do you bring in for
what's the answer is the of the is that
your for the whole year is better you
I'm sorry
of every day of the year where does it
get its energy from from the site. So
therefore Miller said he want to tell
you you want to know how you know if you
did a good job tonight let's see how
your keshma sounds tomorrow and the next
day
>> exactly now we're ready for keshma we
did such a good job now now we're ready
to test it out let's see how our keshma
looks
>> I always thought about this like why
is the reframe they came in there it was
after the came with arvis
>> and they went to say Okay,
that's how I I always understand
>> going from
correct.
>> Very nice. Beautiful.
>> And I think that if you walk out of your
seder and you have a sensation of amuna,
you know that you were a strong link in
that chain. Kasa, another interesting
question which I I was wondering you
this is do Ashkanazim and Sardam have a
different Hagada or it's the same? No,
it's almost identical. There's minor
minor differences. The order of man is a
little different. Um we say instead of
lyricists
to show it's the raam's gear. So not to
view yourself but to show others to act
it out.
>> Do you do you do you walk around?
>> You put it on your shoulders right and
you ask you know where you're coming
from where you're going to to act it out
but otherwise it's
>> and you don't do sharim on after the
seder.
>> We do.
>> Oh you do? I thought
>> we don't do shim on on on I think you do
it on Shabas.
>> Right. Oh yeah. You know by the sader
you do.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. So this because this this
seems like it's a regular straight up
arch curl ashkanaz.
>> Right. Right. There the differences is
uh we make uh we only make a bra on the
first and the third cup. You do all four
cups but but the minor differences the
basic is the same.
>> Okay. Because I I was looking this this
looks like a classic arcohag on one
hand.
>> It is. It is
>> but it's very t not typical in terms of
the pir and the approach and etc etc.
>> Okay. So let's say I have I buy this. I
prepare each day. I come to my seder.
How do I remember like so many beautiful
thoughts different tyra it's just like
it's it's like a a crash course and then
you come to the test and you're like it
all flies away from you right so the
answer really is what I I like to do is
my father by Sherman does this he has
his hagada and he has stick notes with
little notes that he took not he didn't
write it on the side he puts little
stick notes and he has his and every
year I I've gone to his seder for years
I'm talking about I don't know 20 years
every year we see he live I live on East
10th. He lives on East 9th. We go to a
Seda and it's it's an inspiration. You
know, here by Nasen Sherman,
>> I was going to say you have the
editor-in chief of Arts Girl.
>> He prepares every year.
>> Wow.
>> He doesn't just go into it. He prepares.
>> He doesn't say the same thing every
single year.
>> No, no, he prepares. when he goes to he
goes to you know somebody else's house
he brings his other with him it's not
like okay I got it
>> that's that's amazing you know I think
in my own life you know I was I had this
arm with my parents with both sides of
my grandparents so there's certain parts
of the misra that are there and they got
it from their parents we're yaki so we
sing a we sing a German like we sing
whatever this thing temple but each
>> right each of us has our own little
approach but
>> it all has the same purpose which is
>> what's interesting is co I haven't been
to my father's sed for years co he was
in our house
>> so well doing the sed he asked us what
does pesak mean
>> I don't know what does pesak mean jump
>> rashi says
>> a rashi says right exactly means ramanus
and we were like he was asking a lot you
know he's he's my father's a very
analytical person he was bringing out a
lot of things that like he was the one
that brought Miss what does miss mean? I
have no idea. We took out Gadas and we
see and we we you know what we're saying
what are we saying over here you know so
that's the uh and and what you're saying
about Rabbi Sherman and just about you
know let's say have a we prepare so much
for our child's wedding and we do this
and we do that then the hall and the
clothing just so many things
[clears throat] of preparation why
because the wedding is so special if
it's I think it's fair to say that the
single most important night of the year
for the parent child relationship or the
home is Seder night. Doesn't it behoove
us to spend a little bit of time and
just prepare so that the seder to
maximize the seder to the best that it
could possibly be? So, thank you, Rabbi
Satan, for uh helping to make us a
little bit easier like said for giving
us for giving us the cliff notes on
that. Rabbi Satan, as you're as you're
going through the hagada and you're
preparing for this safer, do you think
that this year your pes is going to be
different because of all the
transformational things that you wrote
in here that maybe you didn't know
before or did you know everything? You
just put the suckensator right into
here.
>> No, I definitely uh did a lot of extra
research cuz you know you have to fill
in blanks like you need a thought on
nerds, you need a thought on this, you
need a thought on that. So it definitely
pushed me
>> who's thinking about
>> right or just know what you know what
the what the message of each uh each
section of the say there was that was a
you know a push to you know you had to
fill in every every piece like you know
you're missing a piece on this so you
know you don't necessily have a piece on
everything. So
>> there is definitely beautiful. It should
be with so much. I'm looking forward
myself to going through this. I'm
definitely going to put it on my desk
and use it.
>> And I hope that the landl this year will
have not just a a daily dose. It'll have
a an infusion of betan. And uh keep
writing Rabbi Sutton because we're using
it. Uh we're we're buying it. We're
consuming it. And if they print a
thousand of these, you tell them. Tell
them, "No, no, no. 10,000. 10,000."
Because if we're able to do 6,000 for
ourselves, imagine what we could do for
our kids.
>> Great.
>> Lots of Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.