Q&A With Rabbi Efrem Goldberg (Hosted by Nachi Gordon) - Part 11

in this question and answer live with robbie evan goldberg you will hear about three topics one right goldberg has been called a heretic he's been accused of bringing a missionary into his shul he addresses those statements he addresses that whole idea and i think he pretty much clears things up number two the kosol there's a big campaign to be united to stand as one and to reject any mixed prayer section of the call cell a question that was sent to my subscriber was should we sacrifice what we want to avoid mahlokas and number three a few weeks ago of hershel shakhtar wrote a letter the only issue is is that he didn't write the letter a letter went around everywhere condemning her by goldberg but it wasn't him who wrote it was forged and a day like today where forgery is so simple and so easy how do we know what's true and what's not true many people go through the doors of kanyevsky and a lot of letters come out a lot of signatures come out is there a way to figure out okay well this one is real and this one isn't we discussed all these topics in this video if you enjoy please go ahead and leave a like comment and of course subscribe welcome rabbi f from goldberg back to the hot seat how are you well thank you it's good to see you it's good to see you at a successful event this weekend in brs i heard we did and i want to give a big thank you and shout out to you and meaningful minute for your partnership as well thank you work on it and do it together we had a packed house in person i understand we had a packed house online and uh it was it was really great partnership and a magical magical evening we're still flying high bark hashem is beautiful it's really an honor to pleasure what do you say we jump right in let's go do it okay abby goldberg you have been the subject of a lot of criticism lately um a heretic um hitler's rabbi some headline online which would show some awful awful things uh were said about you for um an event that you had in boca raton a couple of weeks ago uh featuring ben shapiro david friedman governor desantis and one other individual i don't know his name even but people are are saying that you invited a missionary to your school i just want to give you the opportunity to to speak to that and um yeah so um it was an enormously successful event we had a thousand people there and the pack of jews and non-jews it was done together with the latino coalition for israel and it was an evening to combat anti-semitism to stand up for israel um and i'm really grateful it was an enormous success we did it in worship i said with the latino coalition for israel and it did attract some negative attention um look the attention it attracted was from people who are not let's just call them mainstream not accepted eve uh everything we do at boca raton synagogue we believe in das torah we believe in arabian we believe in tamil we live in gaddafi israel and we believe that even if we are inspired to be entrepreneurial or creative in doing a program for a good reason i promise you i got nothing out of the evening there was no money pocket there certainly was no honor or fame uh what i got out was needing extra security uh death threats protection and so there was no agenda and there was no motivation other than to stand up for israel and to stand up against anti-semitism so well even we have creative entrepreneurial ways of doing things that we thinking of doing things we do everything asking rebellion i speak to mairabi mauri varabi of shefter i'm very close with other great rabonum uh and on this topic that we speak to review who is a muslim torah talmud the director of interpreters of the wizanto center and i refer you anyone is listening who wants to understand more in-depth interfaith issues and the difference between dialogue which we don't believe in we don't believe in religious dialogue we don't believe in religious engagement religious study comparative religion we don't believe in any of that but cooperation not only do we believe in everybody believes him i hate to break it it was the the two individuals and i will not stoop to their level by khalil calling them a name or or anything like that two individuals who i think are severely misguided and and have whatever agendas they have um they you know they turn their ire towards me for whatever reason but they could equally point it towards and i can go on and on i don't want to take up all of our time right now but telling you the recipients the beneficiaries or the very people who cooperate on a regular basis with other religions whether it's our goodness israel cooperating with the archdiocese of new york to help for parochial schools or reopen schools and schools during corona you're helping reopen churches you're helping getting money for churches why were they allowed to do that they operate whether it's mig dolor of gross mcdonald who received money from pastor e on a regular basis and whether it's just a few months ago a hospital hospital in tanya led by and with the consent of the uh the sons cloisenberger received incubators other important medical equipment that was sponsored by christians evangelicals in america the cooperation is going all the time it doesn't often go on in a school it goes on at a package a f at uh other venues or they just receive a check from those places or i go to show there are meetings happen behind closed doors in our case we felt um we had an agenda this was before anyone was held hostage in texas this was before anti-semitism has come back on the agenda but we all know that we're afraid of it and it's a great concern and and we need to turn to those who care and are sensitive and are willing to step up and stand out on it so the event and the person that we did it with the person who was vetted by the way pastor who leaves the latino culture for israel was vetted and does not missionarize and um i think that's an important thing right there i um i can't and we've discussed this i can't even tell you how many messages i got um you know about the situation over there and and people would you really go to and say are we from goldberg brought a missionary into his shul there are people who are uh susceptible to being converted to evangelical christianity in boca raton and robert from goldberg is is bringing that person to a shul um that statement can you yeah either agree with it or squash it like go never ever ever ever ever agree with it we would never ever bring a missionary to our show of course not we combat missionaries we once a year twice a year every other year i find out there's a missionary in the neighborhood handing out literature and knocking on doors we drive them from the neighbor we raise our voice we say not in our backyard get lost because those people are actively trying to missionize and convert and that's a real issue and the jewish people have to be vigilant we need to care about we have to confront that issue there is a fundamental difference between people who missionarize and evangelicals who we can cooperate with when they have been properly vetted again i refer you really to the behind the beam on the hour interview with robert anderson where he really unpacked it but i'll just tell you because this is the real kinakuda this is the key point that not only should people listen to but you should see the emails i got today apologizing not not the actual main agitators who would never apologize they continued to forge letters from um embarrassing shameful they would never apologize but some of the people swept up in their mob mentality have come to learn more about the subject and realize that they were wrong and have actually come out and apologized interest chose to apologize and asked to preserve the anonymity even though they had no problem using their name when they you know posted and emailed and uh spread whatever that they did so the fundamental difference is is the following evangelical means to to missionaries in the sense that just like every jew who says eleno and talks about at the end of eleno our dream and our hope that every human earth one day we'll see hashem we have a vision for bane now after they should keep the second laws so nf they both have a fundamental belief and a vision for the way every non-jews live and yet we don't missionize we don't knock we don't proselytize we don't actively recruit to convert so similarly there are missionaries who we should combat and oppose and confront and then there are evangelicals who have a vision but yet they do not missionize what's amazing is the following evangelicals believe in the land of israel genesis 12 1-3 they believe whoever blesses the jewish people is blessed whoever curses is cursed most of our people they think that's a nice idea it's a nice thought it's a good fort they believe it to their core if they attach themselves and they bless and they support the jewish people they will be blessed and if they do the opposite then they will be cursed they believe it they believe it to their core so they are committed first of all they apologize for the history of christian persecution and oppression they take responsibility evangelicals they recognize their role in it and they believe that they need to bless the jewish people and protect the land of israel they fund them they they their commitment to support the land of israel the state of israel supersedes its more important to them than than missionarizing so and they understand that if the cost of cooperating with jews and supporting israel is that they can't missionarize they won't missionarize so nash i want you to listen to this irony and everybody listening when you engage and when you cooperate and when you combat anti-semitism stand up for israel you are neutralizing the missionary activity and when you call postcards and threaten when you dismiss and when you mistreat then you are actually encouraging the missionarizing so if anyone is confessionizing there are certain outrageous behavior which is only promoting and increasing it versus what we did which was to speak to arabian yep to work with rabbi adlerstein bentoro colo graduate who was the director of interfaith relations affairs for wiesenbaugh center who vetted the people that we work with and stand up for israel a thousand people and it did not discuss the bible or god or christian or any comparative religion they heard from ambassador david friedman from yid they heard from ben shapiro affirmid they got great opening remarks from governor desantis and senator scott who are not from yidden but they are very uh devoted to israel elected leaders um and we honored our congressman ted deutsch and he wasn't able to join us but we recognized his leadership and in the end we made a major major um effort that there are two bodies of haddad golden and orange that have been unjustly held by seven years and after a ceasefire hamas came out and shot and killed these two young men took and kidnapped their bodies for seven years have refused to release them against all international law against all human rights against everything so we got a thousand people in the room jews and non-jews to reach out to elected officials and to say no money can go to rebuild gaza unless it's conditional on the release of those bodies the united states should not put one penny congress must not approve one penny going to gaza rebuilding unless it's conditioned on the release of those two bodies do you know what it meant when i sent that to to hadar golden's parents to leia and sinclair golden when i sent them the video when i sent them a thousand people in a room standing up for their son for our own show fighting so you know the people who have postcards the people and i don't want to make this the conversation but the people track down my children i'm not talking about married children i'm talking about my great daughter's cell phone number and harassed her phone numbers that are i'm talking about i'm talking about yeah that happened the vivid graphic death threat that i received and that i shall receive that the fbi is still investigating and will track down and somebody will go to prison for the federal crime of the email with threat that they sent the behavior forging a letter from a shechter all out of ignorance we did nothing wrong speak to godot israel speak to the shepherd speak to her by other scene become educated on this issue and it doesn't mean you have to do it a lot of my colleague friends they're not doing this and they're sure i respect that it's not for everybody not everybody needs to run a program like that that's okay never did i ever take to the airwaves and say everybody must do this even again i go to cooperates and if grossman cooperates and uh countless other examples i can give you of cooperation but i'm not suggesting everyone needs to i am suggesting that if somebody who has worked hard for the community for a long time who has wonderful rebellion and tries to live within their boundaries they set give that person the benefit of doubt educate yourself don't get swept up in a mob mentality don't call names don't post lies don't promote slander and certainly don't connect or associate with people who issue death threats and harass young children it's shameful that's awful i mean wow that's really disgusting i mean we know the people who are behind you know leading the uh the opposition to you and those people are very vocal on on social media and their followers are very vocal and i hope that you know i hope that the fbi does find who is responsible for that because there's there's like no place for any of that in this world that's disgusting correct and you know what their mission now our mission is key role we want to bring people close we want to model respect and unity and love we could disagree we could disagree we have important disagreements you and i don't agree on everything we certainly don't agree with every jew with everyone within orthodoxy and certainly outside of it we don't agree with everyone but but why don't we disagree about ideas you know if somebody made a video and they said i heard about this thing's explanation i heard goldberg's explanation i understand he has good motive and i understand he's following israel here's why i still do that's okay we have disagreements about brain death and land for peace we have disagreements about beaure and opening cans and bottles of chabas we have a lot of disagreements are perfectly okay but why we but why you know what i i had with something i was dealing with today i had um what you're describing a similar scenario where um i was explaining something to somebody and they weren't hearing the explanation they were just oh well it said this well let me explain to you what it means and they don't want to hear like why why what is that why are we so quick to to judge and um i don't want to get back into the sort of canceled culture discussion but we sort of like write it off and i'm sorry i'm not getting involved i'm done that's not for me close finish it's awful like we're again we always come back to the nuance but time and time again we're we're like there's an issue i don't think there's an issue for clients industry for the whole world but but like what could be done about this because it's not getting better listen i think whatever's happening in the world around us happens within our world as well it sweeps in so whether it's the media or whether it's politics or whether it's even the way people root for sports the level of divisiveness and the partisanship people dig in their heels and you know they're very they're very stuck the world right now is very stuck in a model of win-lose meaning for me to be right you have to be wrong it can't just be i believe what i believe what you believe but for me to feel good about myself i i have to show that you are wrong and and that's horrible i'll tell you why i'm heartened and i'll tell you why i'm optimistic because i really believe in my core and what i've experienced in my life is that the fringes are fanatical in both directions in both directions politics in both directions and religion in both directions and almost everything the fringes are extreme but i believe that the majority who mostly are silent i have some thoughts about that it's time for this but the majority who are mostly silent they get it and they're as turned off as you and i and they watch it and they want to see messages why are you and you and i become good friends and we don't need to exchange platitudes so these aren't empty words you know i already got your sponsorship for our weinberger event i don't just say nice things about you so but meaningful minute is so successful why i've never seen one minute video that goes out that says this person's heretic this person is going to burn and get him this person is going to drop dead this person needs to be out there's never been one minute that's been negative that's been critical one minute has put anyone to every minute is about being better being our best selves unity love faith observing torah mitzvos everything so that's why you've got a gazillion fights and that's why you know getting out because that's what people are desperate for and that's what they want and that's what that's what heals that doesn't mean that rabbis and and platforms don't also need to get messages across sometimes about accountability and being better and living up to who we could be of course we have to get those messages out but do we do it with love we do action do we do with credibility or are we doing it with hate knocking people down my father just texted me as i guess he's watching this live he said he said uh in regards to what you were mentioning um that's it's a big reason why uh people can only be happy with the weather in florida as long as it's freezing in new york like if they're from new york and they go to florida and it's 75 in new york and it's 80 and even florida doesn't it doesn't cause you know because they need a anything to be right they need to make the smart move exactly it's gotta be a win lose i've only won if you and come here come he talks about in the seven habits win-win that's a great model for life i think a level and shin panel torah is all about a win-win we can disagree as long as your das and i have das torah and we're not either broken out of the boundaries of what's okay we don't have to agree we can both win there's a book i read about uh from a famous um attorney his name is robert shapiro i believe not shapiro shapiro he's always asking he's jewish he said no it's shapiro not shapiro all the things i think it's the same spelling and uh he wrote a book on negotiating tactics and skills and his big thing was um no a win a win lose is ultimately a lose for the winner because you'll never win again with that person who lost in negotiating if you negotiate so well that person lost they're never going to go back to the table with you it needs to be a big win versus small win everyone needs to win in order for it to be successful um after kodak's rebellion performed several miracles in order to eliminate korach and his cohorts and in order to elevate to show that aaron in fact moshe were the chosen leaders and then at the end all of a sudden he's got you know one more with the with the staff with the almond the blossoms why why was that necessary the ground had literally opened up and swallowed korach so i saw an insight once that you know you can be you can be higher than someone either because you knocked them down so they're lower than you or because you took a step up so don't be don't be taller because you've knocked someone else down be told you're rising to the occasion and rise to the occasion preach teach stand for values take on ideas i've written some controversial articles or said some things that i believe in but i've tried at least maybe i failed and for that i would be accountable but i've tried to not make them personal they're about ideas but values we're debating big a people never about name calling never about knocking people but are trying to rise up there's a couple more a couple more questions i want to get to there's one in the question box um it's one of the question boxes i want to highlight with the recent story about the coast cell um is it a good idea to compromise in a separate prayer area in order to end much like deceptico for those who don't know there's uh the coast is at risk of having an area partitioned off that will be used for mixed prayer and run by reforming conservative rabbis um so this question is is it a good idea to compromise on a separate prayer in order to end the mahalaka septic islam i'm assuming that this question the questioner is saying should we just give in to like us it's a great question i don't even feel adequate appropriate to answer to a certain scent i think that our brothers and sisters in israel as much as the coast of the kotel whatever you call it belongs to all of us and we all go arguably we from spend more than most of the people who live in israel um but we're citizens and until we have our skin in the game and until we're on the front lines i'm not sure um on the one hand on the other hand it does belong to all of us and it is a holy place i will say that and here's a perfect example of what we were just talking about we can stand up for our values we can say why toras ms toras moshe why we believe this is true since this is precious israel since the torah was first given 3 300 years ago this has been our path and this is the torah and any novel those are reinterpretations or misinterpretations of torah for the last 300 years they don't have a right to uproot our hazaka on truth and we can we can take that stance and we can defend that value and we should we should and i often say that you know we have to be sensitive to reform conservative unaffiliated we have to be sensitive to other jews but we also we're also in a relationship hashem is also our he's also our friend he's also someone with and so as much as we have to be sensitive in care of people and feelings we also have to be very sensitive and rise to the occasion of what hashem depends on us for and depends on the spokespeople and advocates for so uh on the one hand on the one hand the ribonuclearm is counting on us to not dilute our values in our torah to not allow it to be distorted or corrupted to not allow it to more for change into anything which khalil assimilation into marriage the experiment the experiment of other denominations is and has been and i apologize i'm sure i'll get in trouble and offend people for saying this but by any objective measure it's an abysmal failure reforming and conservative there is a more than 70 marriage rate in america assimilation i did get in trouble and i wrote an article with a lot of love a year or two ago and i talked about you know the level of assimilation into marriage and other denominations that simply move the goal posts instead of mourning and grieving instead of recognizing maybe we got it wrong by abandoning or reinterpreting uh torah and mitzvos maybe we got it wrong because it's not working 70 are not just not observant they are they are marrying out they're intermarrying and the disappearance and hemorrhaging of our people at rates and speeds we've never said what does that say about the reform and conservative movement yeah listen i think the here's where i think and again nuance i think we have to differentiate between nuance a nuanced zone no one you know like don't worry i think we have to differentiate between um their ideology and policies which we have to oppose and we have to confront and we have to differentiate with the people who we have to love because because they're jews it's not easy to do that not easy to do that i you know i put a picture of myself with a reformed rabbi that i have a relationship that we have collaborated on things that we can have in common and who knows he knows what we disagree with about but there are things that cooperate there's a woman who emailed me she used to listen every share i gave she could never listen to me again because i posted that picture and i didn't put that picture and say you know it's a legitimate denominational ideology or alternative that he's a jew and he's a friend and i'm not the first history day she had a famous reform colleague he exchanged letters with somebody just sees that picture of you and with him with him in no context and they could go ahead and think oh man from goldberg is buddies with this reformed rabbi oh he must think that what he uh what he preaches and what he's about um is is just and it's okay is that a concern is that a reason especially nowadays when there is no nuance and when people are so quick to judge maybe a picture with a reformed rabbi could end up uh rightfully so spiraling out of control and lead to the wrong stuff would you agree with that let me ask you a question do you think what's the greater likelihood the reform juice he's an orthodox who's willing to say that this reformed person is my friend and now they're willing to be open-minded about orthodoxy now they'll accept the invitation to partner in torah now they'll accept the invitation for share one shabbos of the shabbos project now they're willing to open their mind or are you more concerned that one of my orthodox con congregants bespol and friends is going to say goldberg who we know is a bentora is able to to have a friendship with their foreign person so it must be reformed judaism's okay i don't have to keep shabbos anymore i don't exposure is that a real fear is that is that a real concern where's the upper back i agree with you i agree with you and and not to go back into the whole um you know missionary discussion when i was sort of discussing with somebody my my stance was do you really think that somebody from boca raton synagogue is is going to be converting to christianity because this person is speaking there do you really think that rabbi from goldberg is a missionary like you think he's a missionary like come on like don't you think it's a little about outlandish do you think it's a little bit of a stretch or a little bit of a reach 12 13 years ago there was a woman's learning initiative in town that was done by a mix of conservatives orthodox women and they invited my wife to speak ontario and it was not taking place in the north actually we wouldn't have hosted it in our shul and they invited my wife so i you know on the one hand how could she participate in a program that will also nominations on the other hand what an opportunity to speak affiliated about tyrosine about mikvah so i called himself actually for the glue who is one of my post kim on many of these issues and again it's easy to shoot arrows it's easy to watch a meaningful minute question and answer it's easy to be on the internet and you know spew hate but don't let you struggle with broad shoulders they're the real deal psycho of david cohen again das torah i don't make a move without das torah from brooklyn what from from brooklyn from brooklyn i have david cohn from brooklyn the voyage it's one of the world-class post game in america preamble and a postcard in the world very very close to the grand canyon everybody knows where david cohen's a huge huge problem i was his waiter for a few years in cameron there you go okay so so he tipped very well he tips are you up i'm kidding i'm not kidding he does i don't know whatever go on hey i'm sure he does i'm sure he does so i was 100 ready for david cohen to say to me are you out of your mind your wife a firm woman is going to go speak in that joint program and and her name will appear on a program that also has has speakers of other denominations absolutely not what are you thinking you know what he said to me to go i said to go he said listen to me listen to his insight listen to why he's from david cohn he said to me if an orthodox jew wants to hear a female reform rabbi today he or she can go on the internet and listen to them all day and night the fact that you're on the same program is not what's going to introduce them he said but on the other hand an unaffiliated jew is going to hear your rabbitson speak about and she might go to the mikvah once and she might save herself with her husband from a minister she absolutely should go speak i was blown away i was shocked i didn't see that coming whatsoever i wasn't even sure why i was asking the sheila i was sure he was going to say it's uh sir but that's what he said that's what he said so we have to rely on our gadoli straw with their vision with their breath with their broad shoulders they're able to see deeper and they're able to see further and farther and they're able to guide us whether it was that issue 12 years ago or whether it was the issue two weeks ago whether it's whatever issue you're going through today but we can't act on our own we can't be creative on our own and act outside the boundaries and and not have verbatim and das torah that we consult with and they're not always going to say yes they're going to push back and say you're going too far you're pushing too hard coming back to the coast of the coattail for a minute what i'll say is on the one hand we represent the ebony shalom he's counting on us to preserve and protect his vision for his world on the other hand we just have to do it with sympathy and sensitivity again to the people who have a lot of ideas i don't know how if you have relationships with any unaffiliated or a former conservative jews there are very passionate reformer conservative jews who have no background there are tinucsinishba no jewish education no upbringing with jewish observance they do not have the same things that we took for granted and whatever connection they made they're incredibly enthusiastic passionate and they're very devoted and often selfless about and they feel hey you know isn't that all the jewish people space and can't we all go there and and can't you accept me and so on and so forth no we can't there are lines that we draw and there are lines that we cannot blur there are lines that we have to protect and defend but we got to do it with some love and some sensitivity you know when you cut the patient open for the surgery or when you start mode dripping to their arm just because you need to put the poison just because you need to cut them just because you need to heal something you got to do with love with sensitivity with warmth with connection you have to feel the pain you want the surgeon to feel the pain of the patient they never have to cause this pain i feel the pain so sometimes we have to in order to heal we have to cause pain but at least we should share and feel that pain i wanna i wanna sort of end up with one question last uh two weeks ago um there was a letter going around that was uh signed by herschel shafter of course which was a fake letter which is forged and it's not a real letter um i think of course that is something that's very troubling and upsetting that upsetting that someone would do that and that that could happen but my question is sort of you know uh step down a level we hear a lot of a lot of stuff coming out of eric cicero um supposedly coming out of the office of rakhine kaneowski the house of hong kong skin other dome and i sometimes think and i know i know others as well who have become very jaded and they question well did rakhim really say that or what was explained to rakhine that he that if i'm answered this way um the fear of agenda-driven people trying to get signatures or get certain hassamas put i think us all in a very vulnerable position when it comes to leadership from das torah across the ocean what would you say uh to that do we you know i'd ask to someone else and the person answered me uh no matter what no matter what how something is asked to refrain he has a certain welcome kodesh which whatever he answers can already see you know what the person asking is i'm curious what you think about this about this topic i think that we have to be educated consumers of information and whether that of what i went through the last few weeks and this fake letter of schecter were the names i was called whether it's true of people known as a negative thing to say about meaningful men under you but whether it's true about anything someone could say about you we all the burden has to be educated consumers of information fake news is a real thing it's it's real in the news and it's real in the jewish news there's a lot of faking so that's why you have to rebel him and and count on our real-time offline rebate to say hey whether it's on health and wellness and vaccination whether it's on hashgaffa whether it's on halakhah whether it's on whether what we should be doing about the hotel issue we have to have real rebellium and real teachers offline that we have relationships with that we have access to that we speak to and allow them to filter what they're receiving and to be able to transmit it to us accurately you can't you know the internet is a beacon of light where would you be what would this platform be they wouldn't exist what the internet's done to share torah and to share inspiration and to bring comfort and to bring light it's just it's extraordinary but it's also an enormous danger because anyone with a keyboard and an internet connection can say anything they want to say they can lie they can manufacture they can distort they can slander anything they want to say in anyone's name and we know it we've seen it we've seen it recently from muriel there's been countless forgeries of things distortions of things he said the family corrected he corrected and throughout the ages we've we've had these this history we've had these distortions you know there's a there's a base then there's a base in somewhere which is an illegitimate based in and they faked a letter from kotlin bmg a beautiful letter on his stationary to them saying how much he supports them and loves them and how wrong it is that other people don't recognize them so someone sent me rav maquila in his own handwriting on top of that letter wrote this is a zeal if this is a forgery this is fake i never wrote this this is not real whether it's whether it's her the burden therefore becomes on us in this information age secular information age jewish information age the burden is on us to be educated consumers of information the fact that somebody writes something starts something and you see the way it goes viral it's unbelievable like wildfire spreads and then somebody later says it's not true they didn't say it it's not true the person wasn't missing it's not true they won't miss anything it's not true with so many examples in so many cases so i guess i'm not being critical of kaim or his khatsar i'm not being critical of the people who's got him around him i'm putting the burden on us let us let's be educated consumers let's be careful with what we read and how we filter it how we confirm that it's true before we believe it let's be much more careful with what we're seeing and who we choose to see it from let's filter there's so much that comes down it's like unbelievable wide on top filter it down and only let in okay i trust this person i trust this platform i trust this jewish media i trust this and others have lost my trust they've been willing to promote or share or write or say things that aren't true so we have to become educated consumers go over before i let you go i want you to um let's assume that the person who threatened you and threatened your family with death is watching this live i want you to speak directly to them what would you say i would say that you must be in a lot of pain and you're very ill and for that i have sympathy for you and i pray for you however you have to be accountable for the threat the danger that you caused and turn yourself in before we find you because the fbi will look anyone who can do that kind of thing you know there are people who with good intentions do bad things and there are people who are bad people doing bad things right we there's there's a line you draw when you harass ninth grade girls harass them on their cell phone personal cell phone when you harass you know the bender was here last shabbos are you a dark boy yeah oh you are dr boy because i watch the meaningful for high school but depends depends where i am meaningful people i'm meaningful people vendor said you were a good boy so we're gonna we do not that is not fake news that's good news that's real news so rebender was here do you know that these maniacs they got to hold the rebender and they harassed him and told them not to come to boca barca shimmer bender is a very big person he's phenomenal he was unbelievable community's still on a high we've been during the waitress what a week it's been unbelievable but bender's a big person but can you imagine they get a whole hashem hashem they've caused hashem is just it's mind-boggling so i love all jews i even love the jews who hate me maybe i love them the most i love old wish well for all jews and i want him to be you know i don't want to violate anyone's confidences but we spent two years fighting for get i think we spoke about it on this program we spoke about a meaningful minute of questions and answers and about six weeks two months ago now that get was finally given it's a long story it's a complicated story i was given it was an effort of a lot of people and barack hashem was given and after they get was given the person on the other side who had acted in certain ways against all those who were trying to get but after the get was given the next week i had the opportunity to do something to help him and i did he gave it again he stepped up he did the right thing so now my responsibility for a person who very publicly um acted in ways that were not appreciated but i had an opportunity to help fellow jews so i did and i want you to know that after i did that day i was able to i was in a position to be able to help him i'm so grateful that i was he came over to me and we had a conversation which i don't want to divulge i don't want to divulge because it was private but you know he apologized and i told him i'm sorry if i did things i could have done differently we hugged it out we actually met again today trying to help him with something else i love all jews everybody and and i hope people love me i'm not perfect i've made mistakes i make mistakes and i will make mistakes um but there are mistakes within boundaries and sending graphic vivid descriptions of the death threat of what you will carry out um and harassing children there's there's a line there's a line that even unworthy of love so you know i just pray for i diamond for those people that whatever illness mental illness even for the even for the people who are using the gift of the internet to promote hate against me and against rabbi sacks all of a sudden and against many others i diamond for them i doubt for them that they should wake up healthy and well they have a co-op i'll tell you this maybe we'll end with this if these individuals would pour their energy and their ambition and their creativity into in fact spreading light and amunah and love shh they can bring mashiach definitely definitely a lot of energy that's what we diving for all right goldberg thank you so much for joining us once again this live will be up here on instagram to be rewatched on youtube as well so um i hope everyone has a beautiful chavez thank you for goldberg thank you nachi great to see you thanks for the opportunity to join and uh welcome to the world of nuance we're creating a movement thank you hashem the nuance movement so thank you fantastic showers everybody i hope it's i hope it's warm in florida and in new york oh thank you well it's not but thank you all the best you