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>> Um I find that the harder I pray and not
see results, um the more resentment
[snorts] and anger I feel towards Hashem
for like kind of ignoring me. And
there's a second part to my question.
What participated this was um I I have a
few friends that are breast and they
they told me about like this sigula that
lovers have of learning for sorry
praying for six hours straight. Um that
comes from Reblin and then like they
have like I've heard stories of like
people like not getting what they were
praying for after praying for six hours
straight without breaks. And um I tried
doing it and I realized when I was like
a few hours in that like there's a part
of me that felt like if it wasn't going
to happen that it would just it would
like affect my my amuna kind of and I
just stopped. So I didn't want it to to
do that. Like I felt like I would have
been too upset if it didn't work. I just
didn't want that. So I was curious also
if some there's something that's more
not a breast love thing but something
that's more like mainstream that's like
a thing that you can do that's like
>> yeah so uh again I always have to repeat
the question uh to be sure that people
hear it online uh there's a number of
questions regarding uh one is uh that um
says that the more he davins uh the more
angry he gets at god because he feels
that god hashem is not answering him and
therefore he gets frustrated it uh he
mentioned uh a breastlift practice uh
that if you dive in six hours straight
uh without any break that's a tremendous
sigula and
>> [snorts]
>> uh you tried it but you called off the
experiment uh in the middle because uh
you were afraid that if god forbid it
wouldn't work uh it would even have a
more devastating effect and ml how do we
deal with the idea that um you know we
davin hashem does not always seem to
answer are felas and what does that say
about fela generally and and and the
like so it's interesting that you know
just a little comment you know breast
mentioned six hours uh you know the vil
mone writes it's interesting uh maybe he
was directly spec speaking about that
practice he says that how important
davining is and davining is not bal tora
god forbid but one shouldn't davin more
than three hours a day so he actually
gives a number of three hours but dafa
not six hours because at some point it
becomes say a bit Torah. But I think you
know the understanding is the really the
famous remark of the puner. Somebody
asked the puner
in Yiddish it sounds betterish
which in Yiddish means uh why does God
not answer me? So the says you put
you're putting your comma on the wrong
part of the sentence effort. He answers
comma nish no. In other words, instead
of saying, "Why doesn't he answer?"
He answers no. Now, you might say,
"Well, what are you playing semantic
games where you're moving the comma?"
You like, "What what what difference
does it make?" But the truth is there's
a tremendous difference. When you say,
"God doesn't answer me." You're saying,
"He ignores me. I don't count. I don't
matter. He doesn't care." That's very,
very painful. He answers no is a
different thing. He looks at me. He
considers me. He looks at my situation
and he determines what is best for me at
a given moment in time, which may not be
what I want, but it's what I need.
Not that MC Jagger is a Macarthur that I
should quote, and I have to say I've not
heard the whole song. I have not heard
the song, so I have not been I anything,
but I know the line. Uh, you don't
always get what you want, but you get
what you need. And uh sometimes kaduca
can come from the most unusual even tame
sources and that is a very very good
line. You know is not about getting what
I want. I don't always get what I want
and sometimes what I get is things that
are very very hard to be makabel but
they taka are what I need from someone
who knows exactly what I need at that
time. So you make a big mistake. You
know the garra says that there are
certain things that are actually sinful
and one of them is called
now to ask what do you mean
to think deeply about your that's a good
thing it says in the Mishna we say every
day that there's no she there's no
quantity
so is a good thing or is a bad thing so
toss answers quite [snorts] logically
in terms terms of cavana and deos and
and you know the effort you put into it
that's a tremendous thing but the iman
that I got to have my prayer answered no
I don't have my prayer answered I get
upset that's a bad thing because you're
setting yourself up for failure God does
not work for you God is not your
employee to kind of carry out your
orders you don't give orders to Hashem
>> you talk about what you need and you try
to develop a connection to
then you'll see what happens. So you
really have to have a different
attitude. Meaning to say I don't mean to
be critical of you. I mean generally we
all have to have a different attitude.
That fela is not so much about getting
specific things from God. It's about
connecting to God by describing to him
your struggles and your vulnerabilities.
And that's the real need. That's the
real need. The real need is that
connection to that fela can can give
you. And if that's the case, then uh you
then get into a modality where you
accept what Hashem puts in your life at
that point and you try to understand a a
gamsu a gamsu letova. And of course this
depends very much generally on having a
modality of satov. You know, sometimes
we're so focused on what it is that we
need that we don't have. And we all have
needs that we don't think about what we
do have. And overwhelmingly, you know,
you think about why doesn't God answer
me? Well, I mean, look at your life for
most people. I mean, I know sometimes
there'll be harder cases, you know,
okay, I need a hundred things. The aster
only gives me 97 of them. Well, that's
not too bad of a batting average, you
know, but we don't focus on the 97 that
we have because of the three that for
whatever reason is deciding that we
don't have at the time. So, the more you
have I think the less angry you're going
you're going to be. But it is
interesting that even the vil nagon, you
know, the ultimate litak, the ultimate
masid, the person who learns 22 hours a
day with only four naps of a half an
hour each did say that up to three hours
of is a good thing. So he didn't say
six, but he said three. So uh it's not a
bad thing to be marila in that way.
Yeah.
>> [clears throat]
>> Is there a concept brought down from
this farm or Gumaras that nishamos
choose their destination before they're
born so to speak into a body? Um, and if
so, like I've heard something where it's
like nishamos choose their parents for
example and then sometimes that person
might even have like how do we reconcile
the fact that that person might have
like a makus with their parents
throughout their lives.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is an amazing
thing. I believe uh it's Rabeno Bakaya
his famous commentary on the Torah in
Zabra the very end of the Tyra Rain
Bakaya says that before a nishama is
born it's like going to buy a car the
nishama looks at the different possible
lives it might have and the nishama
makes a choice now again it's not clear
uh is the does does nish have absolute
discretion or you know hashem you know
gives you certain options
so to speak. Uh but there is indeed a
teaching of which is based on Kambala
that the nama chooses its life.
Now you may say that's a very odd
situation because so many lives are
filled with pain. So many lives are
filled with difficulty. We often think
including conflicts with our parents. We
often think oh if only I would have you
know a different set of parents or
different community or even a simple
even a simple question like you know hey
an is a shama is holy why would an issa
be choose to be born in a non-religious
environment
right I mean choose to be you know may
whatever it would be and the answer is
you see a very profound idea here that
all of those trials all of those
difficulties
is what my shaman needed My nishama
needed it. I needed to be in that
journey. I needed to be in South Dakota
or I needed to be in LA and not in
Mayarim for those number of years. And
uh that was part of my journey. It's
quite quite amazing. It's a remarkable
idea that all of the things that we
think we had to avoid and not go through
or wish we didn't have to go through, we
needed to go through. And that brought
out the potential of our nishamas to
accomplish what it is that we are
supposed to accomplish. Now we have to
factor in
that means the following. Um everything
I was put into I chose and I needed
that. But that doesn't mean I make the
right choices and how I respond. I mean
there are plenty of people who may make
choices which are totally destructive,
totally bad. uh and and those were not
the things their nama chose. The nachama
chose the the environment over which
there was no bak involved on a human
conscious level. But how you then choose
to respond is your responsibility and we
can make bad choices. There's no
question we can make bad choices. Uh but
that's a separate issue. But at least
potentially
anything over which we did not exercise
bak as a human being our nishama chose
that would be the best for us. So what's
important to think about is this you
know um just to make it um in the realm
of psychology you know you come to us
and uh you know some many of you are
relatively new to learning but even
someone that's learned for a long time
it's very easy to get an inferiority
complex right you're invited to a house
for shabas and uh not only does does the
six-year-old speak much better Hebrew
than you or me speak uh you know on a
good day I can I'm as good as an
11-year-old uh But you know they know
Gomorrah and all sorts of stuff and you
know you're thinking to yourself and I'm
going to have to learn like for 25 years
to know what this maybe six years old
and to know what this 13-year-old knows
and you kind of you know feel very
inferior that I come from wherever I
come with my background but you have to
know that the same way that the mayarim
person who comes from 50 generations of
great rabbis
has something that you don't have you
have something they don't have. The
uniqueness of your experiences are
designed to bring out a special quality
in your in
that you know that's good and your
second rate rather your first rate in a
different way needed you to go on that
particular path and your nishama which
after all is of the essence of God made
the choice that this is the road that
will optimalize my growth as as a
person. So again, it's an amazing rebain
of in that way. Yeah.
>> I just wanted to talk about two things
that you mentioned previously that I
didn't understand. The first one is in
terms of prayer
that
you can't
for something to change. Maybe I just
didn't understand what you were
explaining.
It doesn't help to for something because
you can't get a his mind. Maybe I just
misunderstood it. And the other thing is
in terms of you were discussing some of
the things being parables in in
I've heard quoted that Adam and Eve was
was a parable. How how does that make
sense?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh your question about
when I said you can't pray for certain
things to change, I I'm not sure exactly
uh what you're referencing. I mean the
one thing I can think about is one
example is the mission in Brahos that
says you can't pray to change the past
meaning the the Mishna gives an example
if you hear [snorts] you you know you
walk into a town and as you approach
your neighborhood you hear a scream that
somebody is being harmed. So if you pray
may it be your will Hashem that it not
be my family uh that's
a prayer that's uh by definition a
wasted prayer because whoever it is it
already is first of all it's interesting
that you shouldn't necessarily pray it
shouldn't be your family simply because
that means it'll be somebody else's
family right so okay but putting that
aside uh the prayer is not going to be
effective because that's called so lisha
Now there is a
uh is it so
if if it's already happened but nobody
knows it happened and an example would
be uh
can I pray let's assume that my my grain
was harvested and I don't know how many
bushels [snorts]
are in the granary so once I know
there's 100 bushels I cannot pray hashem
please make it 105
because I know it's 100 but let's assume
I didn't measure it yet. Can I pray, you
know, whatever it is, can you make it
more than it is? So that's that's a mus.
Is that called a past event that already
happened or is that called an event
that's not yet and therefore it's to ask
Hashem for a miracle. This is sometimes
an approach that post can take regarding
genetic testing of defects. Uh now
obviously any type of defect that is
correctable by medical science you
should check out and have it corrected
but let's assume right this happens a
lot uh women are pregnant they have all
sorts of tests they have ultrasounds
they have different genetic testing to
uncover things like down syndrome or
other types of genetic illnesses which
they can't do anything about I mean once
I mean it's just a condition so the
question is is it kadai is it permitted
is it proper to check it out. So there
are some postcum that say it is better
not to check out something which cannot
be corrected because once I check it out
and shalom it says down syndrome that's
not going to change Hashem is not going
to change that because that would be an
open miracle and the principle of says
you can't really ask Hashem to change
the past but until I know that there's a
problem even though it's already
happened in a sense
It's still
so some postkum will actually tell you
not to do genetic testing for things
that are not correctable. Others will
say you know it happens it happens and
the like right? So that that is a uh but
other than that once something is ya you
can't be misspo now kineski had a very
interesting approach to this. Let's
assume somebody is suffering
from a disease
that based I say advanced cancer based
on medical science is not curable.
There's nothing they can do.
So what do you do? Are you miss pow that
hashem should just take away the the
cancer. Right? So many say well some say
particularly breastliff say be miss po
for an ace be miss po for a miracle that
the cancer should go away
others take the position that it's not
proper to be miss pow for an open
supernatural miracle but kamineski said
be miss pal that they discover a cure
because cures are discovered and made
the point. Since Hashem never gives you
a a maka without a rafua, there is in
the world some mitsus of cure. And
praying for a cure is not in the nature
of a miracle because that is the normal
process of medical science in which we
do discover cures for diseases. So to
pray for spontaneous remission of cancer
would be praying for a nice nigla which
some say is not a proper subject of but
to pray for rafua well he gives two
reasons why it's good number one rafua
is called derva
and number two rafua this is also very
important rafua benefits everybody not
just your case when I pray for
spontaneous remission I'm praying for my
ka when I pray for rafua
I'm actually praying for all that suffer
and that itself is a great great succ
of parable. Uh this is um a difficult
issue. Meaning uh are we permitted to
say that any particular part of the
Torah of Hashem is meant to communicate
a parable, a mush and is not meant to be
taken literally. Now obviously it seems
pretty pretty clear that at least from a
venu onwards we do very much believe in
the historicity of the events of the
Torah. There was an avam, there was a,
there was a yakov, there was a mitzim.
And even though there are modern
academic scholars, some of which are
even in left-wing orthodoxy that even
talk about the obos as mythical
archetypical figures. Uh that's
certainly not our our belief system. We
believe that the Jewish people other
than Gramm are physically descended from
human beings uh who were of the name of
Avam and Sor and Yiz and Rifka and Yakov
and Raka and Zilba. So I think once you
get to Avramino less mandol there is no
source that would allow you to apply
metaphorical interpretations even though
I'll tell you that even in the left-wing
modern orthodox world or open orthodox
world they do that even there but that
would not be acceptable. The main issue
however deals with particularly Adam in
Yanim of Briasam the creation of the
world and the story of Adam and Kava in
Dan Aen
maybe even extending to Noah and the
Mabble but but let's talk about Adam and
Kava the garden of Eden and and the like
there uh it is understood that there's a
lot of mystery there what exactly is the
Sadas was there a talking no uh what
does the Nash repres Was the nash an
actual animal? Was the no the kok of
evil that is pictured as as a nash?
So here uh even here even here most
certainly understand it in a very
literal sense understanding that there
are deeper meanings. First of all, I do
want to point out that the issue uh is
the Torah history or metaphor in a way
is a false dichotomy because it's not
history or metaphor. Sometimes history
is metaphor. Meaning to say things
happened literally, but they do
represent deeper spiritual truths. That
for sure is the case. That for sure is
the case. That
represents spiritual forces, etc. So
history and metaphor do coexist but the
question you're asking is are there
cases where it's only a mshel and it's
not meant to be to be literally. So the
truth is uh there are some sources that
indicate in theim
the ram suggests the possibility now he
doesn't say yet that it is but he
suggests the possibility of metaphoric
interpretation. Uh so uh
even then if you're asking me can I
point to a reishon that definitively
says something is a metaphor in my
sebrracious I cannot but I can point to
rein that say that this is a legitimate
possibility of interpretation and that
would be various passages in the
>> but then these days it is quoted as that
is that is it based on a real
There's no one that said it, but it is a
possibility.
>> Well, once again, it seem it seems to me
that the def the definition of saying
that something is a legitimate
possibility.
I think definitionally that means it
wouldn't be Epicurus to describe it that
way because because then you would be
making it an illegitimate possibility.
So as a result even if there's no resh
that endorsed it but if a reishon said
it is a an interpretive possibility I
think that takes it out of the category
of epic courses nevertheless um I would
say this for me to interpret something
in a way that the rishim did not openly
interpret I in my own humility I have to
say that I you know I'm very prone to
error meaning to say it's not epic I
don't think it's upourus but but I think
I would have to say that who am I to
come up with something that was not
embraced by the great great vishum that
came before me. In fact, I'll say
something that you you may you know uh
you may again I may may get my hate mail
uh for that is people sometimes say well
only the resham could say it we cannot.
Well I will tell you something that may
sound very very radical but I don't
think it's that radical. If a reishon
said you are allowed to interpret
something then that means I am allowed
to interpret it that way. I that by
definition there's no such thing as a
rehon license. There's not like a
license that said, "Oh, you're a
reishon, therefore." The reishim
explained to us what is legitimate
interpretation, what is not legitimate
interpretation. If a reishonne said,
"This is a legitimate way of
interpreting the Torah," then it's
legitimate for me as well to interpret
the Torah. The only thing is I'll repeat
what I just said. The fact that the
rishim were so much greater than I and
they did not employ that interpretation
for a certain part of the Torah should
be a signal to me that I shouldn't
employ it, but not that it's
illegitimate, just that it's wrong.
Plenty of things are wrong which are not
a courses. I've said uh you know a
million times that uh being stupid is
not aus. It's just being stupid. Uh so I
could say all sorts of wrong things but
that does not mean I'm a co-fair and
that does not mean not be courageous. It
just means that hey you know I ought to
be a little more humble and know that my
is probably not right if the great great
people who came before me didn't say it
that way. So I know that um Rabbi
Jonathan Saxsa
again sometimes controversial
uh in the uh yeshivisha world uh does
make a lot of uh he writes quite a lot
about the story of Adam and Eve being
metaphorical. The truth is his
proposition is not well supported if he
means that commentaries actually say it
but he does have support that
commentaries say it's the Rambam it's a
legitimate possibility of
interpretation. So that much uh is is
sourced. Yeah.
>> Here's a send in. [clears throat] For a
new person interested in Yiddish kite,
how much can we bend or withhold hala?
For example, if he wants to start
keeping shabas, do we tell him
everything at once, each malafa, etc. or
start slowly and introduce everything
over time?
>> Yeah, this is a really really uh
excellent very very important practical
question that is somebody's new to
Yiddish guy. They're exploring. They're
getting their feet wet. Uh, and uh, they
want to start keeping chabas. So, what
do I do? Do I tell them everything
they're not allowed to do on chabas
right away or do I feed them information
gradually and perhaps deliberately
withhold certain information? So, so, so
again, I can't lie, that's for sure.
But, you know, but don't tell them about
uh the toilet paper or what whatever
whatever it it would be. Now, the pashta
is when you first approach this from a
pureic standpoint, you say, "Well, gee,
uh, how can I not tell the Jew all the
information, um, I'm causing them to
sin?" Uh, if I'm not telling them what
is forbidden and they think they can do
all these things, then I'm go
and is it not?
Is it not putting a stumbling block in
front of a blind person you know quite
literally in the sense that I'm
facilitating a vera so that would be the
argument that once somebody wants to
keep shabas you got to tell them
everything the counterargument uh is
this that you have to look at the long
term and that is if by telling a person
all of these things number one even for
the immediate shabas they may not listen
to you but number two even if they're
going to do everything initially, but if
they're doing it too fast, if they're
doing it beyond their capacity, at some
point they're going to break. At some
point, they're going to crash. And when
they crash, they will be worse off than
they were when they first approached
you. So in lifa, we have to consider not
only the immediate effect of what I'm
doing, but the long-term impact of what
I'm doing. So yes, if I don't give you
all the information, I'm causing you to
sin on this shabas, this shabas or
whatever number of shabases. But if this
is a structure that is more likely to
result in permanent shabas commitment in
the long run, it's worthwhile to go
slow. Now the vil nagon in his parish
admish does not explicitly address it in
for shabas actual violations but the vil
nagon throughout the safer mish talks a
lot about the need to go very slow in
spiritual levels that if you try to do
too much at one time you fail and you
lose even the madreos that you have. uh
the analogy is a building right you have
a building of a 100 stories but if you
try to build the hundth story before you
have 99 stories things are not going to
stand and therefore uh one of the great
responsibilities of anybody who's
involved in kiraokim
whether it's with any yeshiva or whether
it's with families or whatever is to
gauge what people are ready for
and kind of give to them in the manner
that they can assimilate it, they can
grow with it in order that they
shouldn't get broken. Now that's a very
difficult decision because sometimes we
underestimate
what a person is ready for. Sometimes
they are ready, right? And we got to
have confidence in them that Hashem will
help them make the right decisions. So
we shouldn't kind of just like, you
know, raising a child, you know, at some
point the child is ready to ride the
bike without training wheels, right? You
don't want uh a 14-year-old kid to still
have training wheels on his bike. You
know, you kind of want to progress him
to the next level. So, that's important
too, not to, you know, under feed the
person, but at the same time, not to
give them too much. Uh again you see
this I mean listen uh you see this in
our yeshiva
quite often uh in which people try to re
reach certain madreos
and then they they sometimes I mean
bashm sometimes they're mats other times
they crash others times it's very very
devastating I mean I I still remember it
I was I was once talking about something
about uh you know that for many people
maybe full-time colo is not the ideal
they need to have a parnasa. Okay,
controversial. So I remember a guy was
arguing with me. He says, "Parnasa,
what's the you have amuna and hashem?
How do you work? Where's your amuna?
Where's your thing? Where's of course
you don't need parnasa. You don't need a
plan. You don't need it." Then then I
said I was retreating a little bit. I
said, "Okay, at least you need a plan."
You know, something said, "No, you don't
need a plan. You don't need a plan at
all. Hashem will take care of you." So I
kind of felt like I was the epicurus in
the room.
Uh I have to say I get no joy in this
but I believe the person is not even a
sham shabas today because he was setting
himself up to the high madrega of
rabiish shiman bario
and he really wasn't there.
So now again I I I I can only speculate
that maybe if he would have been
involved in a plan and a parosa
maybe things could have been different
but but I think that's an example of a
person reaching for a very very high
madrega that can actually be destructive
to them. Now I I want to say your
question is more difficult because here
we're dealing with Madreos. No coll
versus working. Uh you're raising a
concrete question about Kash I'm sorry.
Yeah. Yeah. Kashas and Shabas you know.
Yeah. So that is more difficult because
there you're actually allowing direct
violations. Nevertheless, uh many say
that the same methodology is going to
apply in that type of issue as well.
Yeah. Who's ascendant? I sometimes pray
in a spartic minion here in the US where
I'm the only lady. Their shimona estray
is a little faster than mine. So I'm so
I'm usually unable to wash the hands of
the colony because I'm still ina. Is it
preferable for me to quicken my shona
estray so that I can wash the colan or
better to forego that mitzvah and fray
at my normal pace again assume I'm the
only ley there?
>> Yeah. So this is referring to I guess an
Ashkanazi and his minion although I
don't I don't see that as a difference
here. and uh he's a ley and one of the
few uh honors that Levim still have
today is they get to wash the hands of
the kohanim before they den of course in
sparticim they den every day even in
problem is the ley is still dven
and therefore he misses the chance so
should he rush his amida should he rush
his shona to be able to finish in time
to wash the hands of the levim I think
by and large no I I think that fel is
more important. Now if he would be a
coane that's an interesting shila
because there is a mitzvah say in the
Torah for a coain to to den even then I
think there's a strong that he should
not uh hurry up his his but I think for
a ley for sure uh the bakavana would be
more important on the other hand
everything depends on a measure of
common sense meaning if he's almost
finished and he would just have to speed
it up a little bit maybe a little But if
this would be a major impact on his
kavana
is extremely important and if you miss
some things you miss some things for
it's to miss. Yeah.
>> Um this is the often
mentions
that says there can be no compar.
>> Yeah.
>> Although the rabbi has also mentioned
that there are
um person this question mentioned that
he saw a
ina
I believe 17 uh which say says that
Hashem can overlook Hashem can overlook
um you know the soar idol worship
relationships and murder
but not beta can't be forgiven this
seems to imply this this is a shami
which was long before the seems to
clearly imply that that
only isn't isn't forgiven but
can be forgiven. So how is the coming
later contradicting?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the question is uh the
the famous passage of the zohor that all
aos have chuva except for the emission
of zera levata sperm in vain. Uh so the
question is the shami seems to say that
hashem can forgive every avenor
except for Torah which implies zerata
would have would have shua and
forgiveness. How can the zor argue with
the usali if the zor came later? So
first of all depending you say the zor
comes later. It depends if you are a
mabel that the zo is from the zor is
earlier than the so could be a maklo in
that way. Um but again the short answer
that I want to bring out is was what I
say often is the balatana's
understanding. The balatana says that
when the zor says there is no chuva for
servatala
it does not mean there is no chuva.
That's a do pashut that shuva will be a
capora for everything. It just means
that shuva is difficult. It takes a lot
of effort. 100% there is chuva. Now
people ask me oh well the zora doesn't
say that. Okay it makes no difference.
The balatana says that's what the zor
means. I mean if I would if I were to
say that's what the zora means you could
ask me that the lush is not mashima that
way. The balatana knew the zor very very
well and this is his interpretation of
the zor. And by the way, that's also the
interpretation for the usami. When the
usami says there's no forgiveness on
balora,
it doesn't mean there's no forgiveness.
A person does chuva for that too. But it
means it's a it's a hard process of
chuva. So kazal used the lush and
there's no capara to refer to the notion
that the chuva is a difficult difficult
process. Yeah. Um, is there any macar
for the way the women lear dress and the
part two of this question is how do how
to react to things like lear when people
you know cross the line?
>> Yeah. Lear I haven't been following lear
in in recent uh recent years. Um there's
still a movement le to around.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. I don't want to say things because
I don't remember the prem but to the
degree that there was abuse and all
sorts of other things then it's it's
rishious and uh you know there's no
limitus that we should have for for
destructive pernitious abusive
societies. Now, if you're talking about
the way some women dress, like the full
uh body cover, is there a muker? There
actually is a muker. There there is a
muker. I mean, the Rambam uh in some
passages of the Rambam describes women
dressing that way. But the thing to
remember is that a lot of the
depend on what are considered to be the
societal norms. Meaning, halaka has
minimum standards. So no matter what
society does you know a woman's knees
have to be covered you know that's not
going to change if if society women wear
wear shorts or whatever it is but beyond
the minimum boundaries
what society even the goyam consider to
bea can go beyond the so the raam lived
in Islamic societies that had very very
strong standards of sneas so that became
the way a Jewish woman dresses as well
but when You live in more modern times
where he there's tremendous prizes. So
we can't use prizes. Okay, let me be
sure you understand this. We certainly
cannot use prizes to go beyond our
minimum standards.
But it does mean we don't have to
maximize the standards beyond the
minimum. So as a result, the mccyus that
people bring from the Rambam really
would not apply that much in in modern
modern society. In fact, some have made
the argument that to dress in a way that
is conspicuously different than the way
Jewish women typically dress is in
itself a breach of sneas. Very
interesting sor
because sas is not only about uncovering
body parts. It's about attracting
attention to yourself. So if a woman
dresses in a super sineastic way that
causes people to stare at her as an odd
thing that itself
is a lack of
you're drawing attention to yourself.
So therefore rebel yasha for example uh
other great kdam uh years ago already
said this was not a proper hanhaga of a
basis.
Yeah.
>> So, one of my friends had to get his
filling fixed. So, he went to the
whatever film repair shop and he paid
them. And in the meantime, while they
were fixing it, they gave him a spare,
you know, pair to fill in. So, what is
his status? I'll pay that pair fill in.
Is he a borrower? Is he a renter? Is he
some type of other shower?
>> In other words, uh he a person got his
fill in repaired. So, he was given a
loaner. He was uh given a uh another
pair of fillin to wear in the interim.
So in dina shomim
uh what is his status? Is he a showell
that is a borrower or is he a renter and
there are you know nafkaminas I mean if
nothing gets lost there's no problem but
as you know a show is kayov even for an
accident even if there was a flood there
was an earthquake there was a tsunami
and the villain got swept away a show
has to pay for those damages except for
normal wear and tear called meas
If on the other hand you are a you are a
renter like you're paying you to rent a
car. So a renter is like a shar you're
for geneva and aveda if it gets stolen
or lost but you're not kay for what is
called an onus. So the question would be
the guy that gets the loner fillain uh
is he called a shoel or is he called a
sulker? So the truth is there are two
ways of looking at it. On one hand, you
can call him a shoel because he's
getting the loner fillin for free. He's
not paying for the right to use those
fillin. It's being lent to him, which
would make him a show. On the other
hand, it is in the context of a
transaction in which he is paying money
to get his fillin uh villain fixed. But
I would say this. I would say that given
the fact that intrinsically there is no
on the part of the fill in store to give
them a loan repair. They do it kind of
out of the kindness of their heart and
also to get business and the like. So I
would say I would look at it as a
separate transaction. It's separate from
the money you're paying to get your fill
in check. You're not paying any money
for the loaner filling. So I think you
would be a show and you would be of you
know that's what I would think. Yeah.
Here's another sentence. There's a
mitzvah stated in many places in the
Gomarra to respect the wishes of the
recently deceased. Does this apply to
someone that was killed by a basting or
committed suicide?
>> Yeah. Uh by the way, it doesn't have to
be recently deceased. Uh the Garra has a
concept of mitzvah.
There is a mitzvah to carry out the
wishes of a person who dies. Uh that
refers specifically actually to his
property. He left instructions in a will
that he wants things to be done with his
property. It doesn't necessarily apply
to other things. Like if somebody said I
want you to go to this yeshiva as
opposed to that yeshiva, you're not like
to obey that wish or I want you to leave
yes or something like that. But his
property there is a mitzvah.
Uh so the question becomes does that
even apply to a person who was executed
by the baston who was a Russia who
committed a sin. uh and and and and the
like. Uh but pashas the answer is yes.
Uh but some would say the following.
Some would say that mitzvahim
is a component
uh that applies to children and it's
based on kud of v. It's an it's an
expression of honoring parents and
therefore you'd have to ask the question
am I to honor a parent that was executed
by bast that will get you into aim
is there a mitzvah of on a Russia on a
parent that's a Russia some say yes some
say no on the other hand I'm thinking
out loud even like the opinions that say
there is no mitzvah of ka
on a Russia but when the Russia was
actually executed and did shuva before
his his death he's no longer a Russia
and as a result it would seem that there
would be kib and therefore there would
be mitzvah
even for someone that was executed I'll
be pas okay yeah
>> what's the Jewish perspective on
potential of alien life and potential
multiple universes and those ideas
>> yeah so the question becomes uh what
does Judaism say about extraterrestrial
life whether it's in this universe like
Mars or whatever it would be or even the
very intriguing idea of the multiverse
the mult alternative universes uh so let
me first talk about uh this universe and
you know can there be life on other on
other planets so uh interesting question
uh let me point out that the Rambam
himself says says that the planets
themselves [snorts]
uh can be kind of intelligent life
although that kind of they perceive and
understand. Now scientifically we would
have a lot of difficulty with that but
it would seem that if the planet could
be intelligent life there could be
intelligent life on the planets. Now the
question would be what is the nature of
that intelligent life? Do they have a
Torah? Is it a different Torah? Did God
give different Toros to different lives
in different planets and the like? Um
it is hard to know but Bashtas probably
uh the intelligent life that would ex
that might exist on other planets would
be in the nature of angels.
uh they probably would not be bal
uh they probably would just be angelic
spiritual forces that can exist and
maybe can communicate but they would not
be mugg with Torah. We seem to
understand by and large that there's one
Torah because remember we don't make the
claim that Torah is only earth. Torah
brings tikkunim rectification to the
universe as a whole. Which would imply
that there can only be one Torah that
does that. Because if you're going to
tell me, oh, there's the Torah for Earth
and the Torah for Mars and the Torah for
Jupiter and the Torah for Neptune, then
you can no longer look at the Torah
Sashem as being Msak in the whole
universe. So, I think if we do regard
extraterrestrial life, it would be in
the nature of Malim and the like. Now,
can there be an alternative uh universe,
multiple universes, multiverse uh
concept? Um
I I think we'd have a lot of difficulty
with it. I I I'm not clear how we would
assimilate an alternative universe into
a Jewish uh religious thought because
once you're talking about an alternative
universe, that would imply alternative
everything.
um which could mean an alternative Torah
which would contradict once again the
primacy of the Torah as the essence of
Akadesh B. I mean, after all, you're not
going to posit in a multiverse different
gods. That would be a bodhisora. And
since the Torah is an expression of
God's will, you couldn't really posit
alternative Toras at that point. Now,
the multiverse idea is really
speculation. I mean, there's no it's not
it's not like for sure, you know, we
have a scientific consensus on it. It's
speculative thoughts. And we would
probably say that that's not the
probable direction of where Judaism
would go on that particular issue. Yeah.
In the back here,
>> whether the uh the commentary that Korak
went down to Korak went down in the pit
alive, does Kor have a share in the
world to come?
>> Yeah. So the question is uh does Korak
have a share uh in the in the world to
come? So there are a number of mamar
kazal that says korak does not have a
share in the world to come. Uh on the
other hand I mentioned the Arizal the
Arizal in cabala uh talks about korak
even coming back with the resurrection
of the dead and korak being cohain. In
fact the Arizal is a whole that korak's
mistake that he was entitled to kahuna
was jumping the gun in point because he
saw with kodesh that he would be zoka to
kahuna but it wasn't the right time. In
fact, I mentioned on Shabas that the
Arizal says in Ms. Shabas, we have the
PK sadikar
the sadic will flourish like the palm
tree. If you look at the last letter in
those three words, sadikaru
spells korak that korak will have a
takum will have a tikun even uh in the
with kahuna. So all I can say is there
seems to be a big mlo. Now the GR rea
Basra does say that Korak to this very
day proclaims from Geanim Moshe MS
to MS Misha is true and his Tyra is
true. But the Aizal seems to look at
that as a kind of a zus that Korak has
to be that proclaimer which will
ultimately result in his reunification
to claw Israel. Uh yeah,
>> let's say for example um someone buys
something and um he bought from his own
free world and afterwards he regrets
says oh no like it was a really bad idea
for me for me to buy this. Is he able to
apply the idea of to this
or is um he not able to apply it because
he chose to buy that item with his own
free will.
>> Yeah, this is a very very excellent
question. So we say whatever God does to
me, whatever happens to me is letova is
for my positive benefit. What about
things that I did as a result of my
choice, my bakira in other words uh the
example you gave was I bought something
that turned out to be a really bad
investment. The thing was no good for me
etc. So do I say gamulatva even if it's
something that I don't like you know it
must be for my good because everything
hashem does is for my good or do I say
no it's not gamula whatever hashem does
is for your good this was your decision
this was your
ability to make bad decisions right so
it's not gamula
on uh on something that is a function of
your again it is A very very excellent
question. Uh the way Rav Saddok deals
with it is really through a paradox and
Rav Saddak basically says on one hand we
live in a world again this is not going
to make full sense to you because it
does not make full sense to me. I I
don't fully understand it but he says
that we live in a world of which
combines free will and divine
determinism in the results of your
actions. that yes prospectively when I
have to decide to do something or not do
something I have free will to go either
way
once it's done it was the will of God
that that happened so yes when I have to
decide what I buy I got to be
responsible I got to think about what
the right decision to do uh what the
right decision is once it's done and it
turns out to be negative I have to look
that as part of Hashem's plan as well.
The plan that I would fail, the plan
that I would mess up, the plan that I
would do something wrong is factored in
tokades.
Now, this is a big paradox. This indeed
is a paradox because if you're truly you
are a master of your faith, then mima if
if there are bad consequences, it's
because you made a bad decision. And yet
says, "Hashem does not always allow us
[snorts] to act against our interests."
So the fact that he allowed your
to be carried out indicates that Hashem
had a purpose in that as well. Maybe the
purpose is to teach you a lesson, not to
be irresponsible. That could be the
lesson. He wants you to have that
mistake so you learn from your mistakes.
One could analogize it, give a
superficial analogy to a parent that
will let a child do something stupid.
So the child chose to do something
stupid, but the parent let it happen.
Why? Because that is one of the ways we
learn, right? We learn from mistakes
that we make. And that's part of
Hashem's calculus to let your free will
manifest itself in that particular
particular way. Which means it's really
a practical question. You make you make
a mistake. You goofed. So you ask
yourself, what does Hashem want me to
learn? I the practical answer is very
simple. What does Hashem want me to
learn from my goof? And then there's a
gamula in it. I've learned something.
Right? People say often that we learn
much more from our mistakes than from
our successes. And the reason is very
simple. If I'm successful, I didn't
learn anything because I that just
confirms what I already know. When I
make a mistake, I've learned ah this is
not the right thing to do, right? So, I
learned from my mistakes more than I
learned from my successes. Yeah,
>> there's another sentence. The rabbi has
once talked about why he doesn't
necessarily wait for a second person to
say if he finished dabbing after. Could
the rabbi tell the reason for it? And
the reason why most people wait to say
it was someone else.
>> Yeah. Yeah. the idea that after my
Friday night so we say vulu
uh and if I say it but sour that's fine
but let's assume I finish moness later
so the mishnabura brings the mishnabura
brings that it's a proper minog to try
to say it with another person you go
over to somebody else say it together
even if they already said it because
you're testifying that akaresh is the
creator of heaven and earth and
testimony should be with uh two aim. So
I go over to somebody's to make it an
adus. Now this is brought down by the
Mishna Bura that this is a proper min.
So many many people are no that uh they
want to have Now lice I just want
to point out that even like the Mishna
Bura you're not really dealing with
hilos mish I mean after all uh two
brothers cannot be witnesses. Can I say
by with my brother? the answer as I can
and I don't need kosher witnesses and
the like but okay so the min the other
way is from the kazinish the kazinish
actually says he's on the mishna and he
says that yubafka shouldn't get another
person because that implies there's some
doubt that has to be clarified by
witnesses you only have to have
witnesses when we're not sure what
happened we have to have witnesses but
the fact that hashem created the world
is so pushut and obvious to us that for
me to say oh I got to have a w a witness
to affirm it that's kind of taking away
from its truth so it's really a makus uh
the uh the misha and the and the
kazinish yeah
>> so currently
my mom and both of my aunts either
because they were widows or they were
divorced are with uh non-Jewish
Christian um partners either they're
married engaged or in a relationship.
So, I know that
>> with my mom and both my aunts, I need
to, if anything, be closer with them
than I was before. But regarding the
partners that they're with, I I'm not
exactly sure what kind of relationship
I'm supposed to have with them.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This unfortunately uh
this is a major problem um mainly in
American life form and Eric Israel. It's
not too big of a problem and hopefully
it should never be a big problem here.
In the United States, intermarriage or
the relationship of a Jew and a non-Jew
whether it's in marriage or not within
marriage is enormously enormously big.
Uh in many many places in the US
intermarriage is up to 70%. That means
seven out of 10 marriages in which one
person is a Jew, the other person is not
a Jew. That's mauville. That is
terrifying.
uh because well number one if the woman
is not Jewish the kids are not Jewish
and number two uh if the kids are Jewish
is even worse because they're not going
to be raised Jewish by and large okay so
the question that virtually every fra
you know this is like it says by by Mitz
by
there was no house in which there wasn't
a dead body
this is true in the from world there's
like no family which does not have
either immediate or indirect an
intermarriage issue of how to be miss.
Now uh your first point is 100% correct.
Uh you need to have a relationship with
your aunt your aunts uh your mother too.
He said yeah of course and uh whatever
mitzvot you can help them do whether
it's kdish or whatever it is do for
them. they're they're Jewish people and
even if they're doing something that's
not proper that doesn't mean the other
mitzvah don't count and by all means uh
give give them and and you know learn
Torah with them whatever whatever
different ways you would interact with
them uh in a Jewish setting and as a in
a familial setting as well. So the
question becomes, okay, so that's fine.
That's how I relate to the Jewish part
of the equation. How do I relate to the
non-Jewish part of the equation? Do I
just ignore them? Do I make believe they
don't exist? I walk into my mother's
house and there's this non-Jewish guy
who happens to live there. Do I say,
"Hi, Mom." and just, you know, don't
even acknowledge. Well, you understand
that, you know, maybe in theory that
would be the best way, but in practice
that's not going to work. Meaning, once
we understand that you have to have a
good relationship with your mother and
even with your aunt, then we understand
you're going to have to have some
relationship with this guy. And in many,
many ways, you know, the guy is not a
bad guy. I mean, it's not the goy's
fault. I mean, they don't think there's
anything wrong here. And why should they
think there's anything wrong? In fact,
it is extremely difficult to make any
case against intermarriage uh that's not
based on Torah values. Meaning to say,
if someone doesn't keep the Torah,
what's my argument why they shouldn't go
with the GL? Are we racist?
Okay, if you believe in Torah, you
believe in you believe in religion. So,
okay, these are the halos that we have
to keep. If you don't believe, what am I
supposed to tell a non-religious Jew?
why they can't marry a non-Jew. It's
extremely difficult. I mean, there are
arguments that are made, but it's
extremely difficult to make a secular
case against intermarriage. So, this guy
is not a bad guy. Okay? So, as a result,
I think by definition, you have to be
polite and there's, you know, a big
difference. Before they started a
relationship, you tried to discourage
it. Once it's a fatal complaint, you
have to accommodate it to a certain
extent. Derek Menite, how are you doing?
Hello. Try to avoid
lonos
that know legitimate the relationship
per se like you know don't send them an
anniversary card or something like that.
You know, don't acknowledge this as a
union. But in terms of the derit that
you have for another human being, say
how are you doing? You can ask him about
uh his job or his life or whatever it
is. And in that way, you know, you're
making a kdish hashem as well. They see
that a religious orthodox Jew treats
human beings in a respectful way. And
that's kind of the best the best you can
do. But all I'm saying is if you have a
goal that you want to, you know, have a
good relationship with your mom or your
aunt and maybe bring them to mitzvah,
this is the only possible way that this
could be done. So sometimes you do have
to accommodate in that way. Let me just
point out I I mentioned before uh
Rebecca Kamineski you know the minug in
Europe was that if god forbid a child
intermarried
the parents regarded them as dead and
they would sit shiva and they would
never talk to that child again
that that's what it was ravy kamineski
said that uh in the 20th century uh that
is no longer the appropriate response in
Europe which was
largely a homogeneous religious society
at least until the 20th century. So
somebody who intermarried was going out
of their way to rebel, going out of
their way to spit on Judaism, going out
of their way to reject. So as a result,
we push them away. Today, intermarriage
is not rejecting Judaism. People just
don't think it's wrong. So as a result,
Raakov said it's important to try to
keep a connection to the person no
matter what and in that way whatever you
might be an influence uh for the good.
Uh yeah, a child or young adult young
adult that experiences pain before they
turn 20, can you attribute that to um
his future sins or sins of his parents
or not of a guil?
>> Right. Right. So this is an interesting
question. Uh the garra says that baston
shall mala that that although in terms
of human accountability as soon as I'm
13 a bon can punish me for my aos malus
and the like but hashem the baston of
shmayam does not punish me till I reach
the age of 20. Uh because you need a
higher level of maturity. So the
question would be well if that's true if
heavenly punishment do not befall a
person until they reach the age of 20
how do we understand the pain and the
suffering from shamayim whether it's
disease or or even death that befall a
person before the age of 20 since the
basin shall not punish uh below the age
of 20. So the answer is uh everything
you said is correct. Number one, there
is a concept that they may be punished
for the sins of their father's parents.
But but I think there's a problem with
that because it seems like this. It
seems that 13 to 20 seems to be a
neutral zone because it seems the
concept that you could be punished for
the sins of your parents is only until
your bar mitzvah and that's why the
parents make the braha.
Now there are two interpretations. Some
say, "Thank God I'm not responsible for
this kid." Like the parent is saying,
"It's not my problem anymore." But no,
some say the other way around. Thank God
that my child is not going to get
punished for my sins. I like that
better. That's a more generous type of
braha. Uh so according to that, that
terrorist wouldn't be a good terrorist.
So to say that between 13 and 20 I'm
getting punished for my parents' sins
seems to contradict this in Bakrani
that I'm no longer going to be punished
for my parents sins once I'm 13. Uh the
other possibility Gilgo is indeed
possible indeed Gilgo could Gilgo
reincarnation punishment for pastas our
shak at any age including birth right
after after birth. Now you mentioned a a
third possibility. What would what
>> for future sins?
>> Future sins
like Ben Sora. In other words, the
person is judged uh based on what he
will become. Uh that's possible, but
again that would be a contradiction with
the Ishmael principle of Asher Husham uh
and uh and and and and the like. Now it
also might be like this. It might be
that the rule of Ben Estim
uh is not necessarily a physical age but
it may refer to a certain state of
maturity. So you might have a
15year-old who in understanding is
already a Benim his nishama is like a
benesim and perhaps under those
circumstances the dinay would be meaning
it's only in
that we look at fixed ages
is more looking at spiritual age and
spiritual age may be different than
physical age by the way theam cipher
interestingly enough says under denak
>> [snorts]
>> That's exactly how it is. You know,
under the Mrs.
theam says and the punishments can be
very severe. Violation of the Noahite
code can be capital punishment like even
theft says theam
there is no automatic age of majority.
There may be an 8-year-old who will be
judged as an adult and there may be a
15year-old who will still be judged as a
kam. So theam cipher says the assessment
of culpability in a noite setting is
based on spiritual maturity. It's not
based on a fixed age. Yeah.
[clears throat]
>> How is the t how is the tikun hakli
introduced to revi nasman? And then are
there other um like formulas of tahillim
similar to tikuni that have other
effects?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the tikun kli which is
meaning the general rectification for
sins for all sins but specifically for
are the designated chapters of tahillim
uh that raman uh indicated uh should be
said. Uh where did he get them from? and
the like. So, uh again um it is
cababalistic. He was not the total
originator. It's based on both Ramach
and and Kisal in which certain timug.
Uh now you're asking me are there other
compilations of Tahillim that work for
other things? Absolutely. So many many
many many uh the in particular compiled
a whole bunch of different groupings of
for specific things and indeed you can
get in many it'll tell you you know this
chapter these two chapters are good for
this and these two chapters are good for
this and they're very very specific you
know uh if you have a hangail there's
something you can say if you have a
hangover there's something else you can
say you know uh so over the years the
makubal him uh used to heal him like uh
almost like chemotherapies very
specially targeted medications but at
the end of the day I want to make a very
important point at the end of the day it
is not so much what you say it is how
you say it
>> your cavana is the most important thing
in your t people are always asking what
hillim are good for and yeah we can
usually find what are good for this or
that but the truth is the most important
thing is whatever tollim you say you say
it with kabana it will bring the mercy
of hashem uh into the world so uh we
shouldn't overemphasize
specifically what you say we should
emphasize more of the way that you say
it and the heart that you bring to it
yeah
>> in regards to kob at what stage should
you risk your own level of Judaism to
help someone else and bring them closer
for example like if you missed a garure
to give an inspirational talk or if you
take a care of trip and then you're away
from your family and stuff like that.
>> Yeah. So this is the uh very very
difficult important issue of uh to what
degree do I compromise or sacrifice or
lose some of my own spiritual growth in
order to bring other people to Akadeshu
through Kirv such as missing a Gmorra or
missing a kusa to be macar somebody or
to give whether it's to give a talk or
just to be marov somebody or going on
trips where I'm going to be away from my
family although I think that's may may
have a different nuance and and the
like. So let me just share with you a a
vort a beautiful beautiful vort from
theam cipher uh the chuvasam cyher ina
uh starts with a drash in which au is
referred to by the by hashem in the
as a oavi aim is the one who loved me
and points out that of all of the aites
and really Of all of the biblical
personalities, Ara is the one who is
described as the one who loved God.
Why is Ara called the one who loved God?
So theam cipher says because Arabu spent
his whole life bringing Hashem to other
people. Ara was the first really kov
worker. Ara spent his whole life with
Oodor
to bring them to Hashem. Now surely
Abraham could have separated himself
from those rishim. He could have focused
on his own spiritual elevation. He could
have contemplated God through
meditation, through prayer, through
removing himself from involvement with
sinners.
And yet because he loved God more than
he loved his own ego and his own
accomplishments, he was willing, this is
the cipher, he was willing to sacrifice
his own spiritual growth
in order to make the name of Hashem
beloved in the eyes of others. So theam
cipher is clearly saying it's a great
great madrega to be willing to sacrifice
even some of your own aliyah to be mar
that's what you see from that's why
wrote this moreover we have a similar
point from salanter
salanter grew up uh towards the
beginning of the 19th century the first
third of the 19th century and in Leita
at the time in Lithuania at the time
there were small groups of people. There
were never large numbers who were kind
of hermits. They were called pushim and
and basically they kind of lived alone.
They separated from their families for
the whole week. They only came home on
Shabas and they just concentrated. They
were hermits on Torah mitzvos. They were
not involved with anybody. They didn't
even talk during the week except it was
the Torah. And so Silantre was initially
very very attracted to a life which was
totally focused on avodashem
and spiritual growth.
But then he decided that that's great
for him but what's happening to
everybody else? Meaning there's a
responsibility
to bring Hashem
to other people. So he said he would
give up his spiritual growth that he
could get by isolation
in order to be miff. So that is one side
of the like everything else there's
always two sides of the at least two
sides of the story some by more than
that that is one side of the story
meaning should I be willing to give up
some of my rrook to be mar the answer is
yes because you love god and if you love
god you want to spread godliness in the
world it's both it's both an expression
of loving hashem and loving your fellow
Jew it's a combination of both of those
ideas however there is another side to
the
And that is but what if this will have a
detrimental impact on me? What if I'll
become less religious? What if I'll
become right? It's like a broom, right?
A broom wants to sweep up the dirt,
but the broom gets pretty dirty, gets
pretty filthy, right? So what's going on
here? So I think we have to be mahalik
between a person in the beginning of
their career so to speak and after
they've been learning for a while when
you you have to give yourself time where
your primary focus is on your spiritual
growth. You got to absorb Torah. You
have to learn hala. You have to kind of
be less involved in the world out there
because you don't yet have that much to
give. You have what to give. I don't
mean to suggest everybody has what to
give. But until you build yourself up
sufficiently, there's too much of a
danger that the non-religious world will
have more influence on you than you will
have on the non-religious world. So, as
a result, if somebody were to ask me,
they're in yeshiva and they want to be
involved in Kiru.
It really depends. I'm not saying it's
an all or nothing. There may be
different avenues in which you could
still be involved, but you have to make
your primary focus, [snorts] your
learning and your growth. And if that
seems a little selfish, it's a
selfishness that's an investment in
yourself
to then be able to give to others. When
you've learned, when you've absorbed
Torah, when you have a good knowledge,
when you're very strong in your faith,
then you're ready to give, then you're
ready to share, then you're ready to
even sacrifice some of the aliyah that
you could have gained by focusing on
yourself. But you got to be careful not
to jump too early. You make the jump too
early, you may not have enough to give
and you may be adversely affected. Um
I'm sure people have heard over the
years the famous mashal they say kutler
but I think it's one of those mashal
that maybe many people have said that
you got to be like a kdish cup that
overflows meaning to say you fill up the
cup to the top and then it overflows and
fills up the surrounding cups. Your kirv
should come from the abundance of the
Torah that is within you. Now I know
there are different philosophies. Kabad
may have a different philosophy here.
Kabad may have a philosophy. Hey, as
soon as you know the olive base,
[snorts]
go out and teach. Again, I'm
oversimplifying. I don't want my kabad
friends to but there is a philosophy
that says you know the olive base, teach
the olive base.
Okay? And I and I I can understand that
as well. Whatever you have, go out and
teach it.
But the other philosophy is that you
need to build yourself up because
there's a big challenge dealing with
that environment. Now the only thing is
in your second example there's another
point I have to make as well. See your
second example about traveling away from
my family. See there you're dealing with
a different nuda. That's not simply I'm
giving something up to be mare
rather I'm hurting my family in being m.
Now then you have to realize that when
you have children putting aside your
wife even when you have children your
primary obligation is to be sure that
your children are getting what they need
and if that means to curtail your care
of because of your kids your kids have
priority there's no question um you know
there was a great rasha from the datumi
world but a very very a great manstein
um He he was naive a few years ago and
he was the Russa of Gosetion again
probably the one of the preeminent uh
datomi yeshivas uh in the country and he
used to live in Katamon I don't know if
you've ever been katamon has the famous
they have a certain uh minyanim and
katamon that are kind of around the
clock and and and the like and he used
to live in Katamon and uh every shabas
he would spend a lot of time learning
with his son. So somebody went over to
him and said, "Oh, you know, Raarin, I'm
so impressed that even though you run a
big yeshiva, you make time to learn with
your son." So he said, "What do you mean
make time to learn with my son? My
obligation is to learn with my son. I
make time to run a big yeshiva, too."
That's a beautiful perspective.
My obligation
is to my children. And if they are taken
care of, I then broaden what I can do.
beyond but I can't use my activities
beyond to neglect my children. So that's
why your second example you need that
that greater clarification. Yeah.
>> During
sometimes rooms can get very crowded and
>> sometimes what I didn't
>> rooms may get very crowded and I know or
I've heard you're not supposed to walk
in front of or behind people.
>> Yeah.
>> If you have something you have to do
such as welcoming [laughter] etc.
>> Yeah.
>> Um how far should you go to like to go
do that mitzvah versus stay still and
not
>> yeah this is really is maybe one of the
hardest
uh to keep and and and I I always wonder
myself how were schuls laid out in the
time of the Mishna and the Gomorrah this
idea that you're not supposed to walk
for amos in front of a person for Amos
that's six to eight feet I'm not
supposed to walk in front of somebody
that is dominating Ezra
How on earth does that work? I mean in
any in any minion that is virtually
impossible. It's virtually impossible
unless you d I mean some people are
lucky if I'm dabbing in a certain
position maybe but but by and large
right? So what do I do now? They they
tell a story about Mosha that Ramosha
Feinstein
uh after Mina had to go to a very very
important meeting was a very dolem a big
big big meeting about a a major issue in
Claw Israel and he just wasn't moving he
finished doning and u he wasn't moving
and people were saying well we we have
to go we have to go we have to go and
Ramosha couldn't do it because somebody
was dabbing and he would have to walk in
front of that person Raosha said There
is a wall in front of me. This is like a
stone wall. If I have to wait here two
hours, I am going to wait here two
hours. So took it absolutely very very
humel
if you have a mitzvah certainly like
dening. So in such a case you're allowed
to walk. Uh the question becomes but
what if it's not a matter of dening?
What if it's just a question I want to
go to breakfast? I want to I want to get
out of here like am I stuck to the last
guy you know who's dvening. So there
some people do have a leniency uh if the
davener
if there's a table in front of him. So
the table might be considered a heapsic
which would allow you to pass. So that
would be a that would be a heter. Uh but
it's the luck is very very hard to keep
and if you can somehow circumvent and
take a route uh where you're not walking
in front of him within four amos that
would be the best thing to do. You try
to keep it when you can. Sometimes it it
won't be possible. Yeah.
>> I know the last time I asked you about
the question that turned into kind of a
state of the union on on jewelry
specifically. U this one's going to be
more about uh another issue that that is
is on the rise is specifically divorces
kind of in human orthodox world
>> and so for that what do you see as some
of the cause of those those marriages
dissolving where once
rate was quite low. Yeah.
>> And then second just because we're in a
room of of kind of here
>> in terms of advice for us or or sources
to go to in terms of building and
especially early on um you know kind of
good best practices for you know
relationships and and creating that
early model foundation for lasting
success in marriage
>> right right well you know c certainly
it's the case that the divorce rate has
risen in every segment of society it's
risen among Jews and it's risen among
orthodox Jews so you could be the most
from whether it's
yeshiva nowashem it is lower than
outside of that but it's really really
gone
high even in our yeshiva you know there
there are divorces that sometimes happen
after less than a year uh in in marriage
and the like so there are really two
things I think there's a general issue
and then there may be a specific issue
that may apply to oric populations and
the like the general issue is that
people today and I don't mean to be some
grouchy old man lecturing I'll include
myself too the good old days you know
but people today you know [laughter]
not like When I was growing up, people
today are not used to working for
things. We're used to instant
gratification. You know, our
grandparents didn't always have idllic,
perfect marriages. They had problems,
too, and they had tensions, too. Think
about people coming here after the
Holocaust and the like, but they
understood that you work it out and you
try to do what you can and life is not a
bowl of cherries and I don't have to be
happy all the time. Remember Fitler on
the roof? Uh, right. The question is, do
you love me? Right? Remember the idea
that uh what's love 25 years, you know,
I worked for you and all that all that
stuff. So, there was kind of a sense of
duty. There was a sense of commitment,
meaning I'm not in it to be totally
happy all the time or totally gratified
all the time. We have a longer vision
here and we're willing to work at it.
What happened today is that our our
ethic of that type of commitment is no
longer here. We live in a throwaway
society. if things don't work, you know,
I mean, there used to be a whole
industry of fixing things. In your
Schlam, we still do it, you know, uh,
you fix a phone, you fix a computer. Uh,
that's not the mentality today. Today,
you throw it out and get a new one. So,
that's been applied to marriage, too, in
which doesn't work. I'm not happy today.
Well, let's get rid of it. I want
something else. And part of it is
Hollywood, Hollywood culture, and part
of it is blal a certain selfishness and
egotism.
and uh you know looking after me which
is very pervasive both for men and for
women and and the like. So obviously uh
you try to counter that with an
education that stresses that stresses
responsibility
and the notion that in life there's
going to be struggle and in life there's
going to be hard work and not every day
is going to be you know not every day is
going to be exciting but we stick to it
because it's a commitment. uh you may
want to check Reverend Victor Miller
Miller may be too strong sometimes uh
but what he says about divorce and you
stick to it no matter what there's kind
of a loyalty not even to the other
spouse it's a loyalty to the marriage
itself like as if the marriage is a
separate thing that I got to take care
of now with respect to the unique
problems of balchuva bal chuva have
maybe another problem in addition to
everything I just head which applies to
Balshuas like everybody else. I think a
Balshua has another problem because
their identity is not entirely uh
established yet. They're still in flux.
They don't know exactly
>> depending on the person who they are,
where they fit in. And that by
definition is going to introduce a
certain tension in marriage. Because if
I don't really know who I am, so I may
marry somebody thinking I'm X when in
and therefore I need someone X when in
fact I turn out to be a Y and things
change and when my identity is in flux
and I don't have a clear picture of the
type of life that I want and that is
proper for me. So that's not a good time
to get married. Now I know that marriage
in the f world is kind of a right of
passage, right? There's certain things
you got to do. you know, at a certain
point in Yeshiva, you get a black hat
and uh then uh whatever your way of sit
is out and then you get married, right?
There's a certain progression. It's kind
of a checklist in which I check off the
items of making it in the religious
world. Well, when it comes to a hat,
maybe that's harmless. When it comes to
marriage, that's not a good thing. You
kind of look at marriage as something
you got to check off on your list
is sometimes a recipe for a very severe
failure. So as a result
again I mean in a way you know early
marriage is better than late marriage in
many many ways in many many ways. On the
other hand if a person's identity
is not well grounded yet they may be not
ready to get married and I think that's
a source of a lot of problems in the
Baltuva community. So there is the
general selfishness and egotism that
permeates society and then there is the
identity crisis that of course and
people who are not balu may also have
identity crisis. I'm not suggesting
exclusively but particularly when I'm
making my first foray
into religious life I don't necessarily
know where I belong and who I am and
therefore maybe I'm not yet ready to to
get married. Yeah. when Khazal would
make certain gazeros or takanos, how did
they get widespread so that everyone
knew about them as soon as possible
because communication was obviously way
different back then and like did
everyone have to wait for the new safe
fair to come out and then whatever like
how did it how did it go that everyone
knew what to do eventually?
>> Yeah, that that's a real real good
question. uh the issue of communication
kazal mainly the Sanhedrin inlay made
takonos they made gazeros that are
binding on the whole Jewish people and
now the Jewish people
many lived in Arat Israel but actually a
majority of the Jewish people throughout
the uh this period did not live in Arit
Israel they lived in Bavl they lived in
Mitzim they lived in Italy they lived in
other c they lived in Rome they lived in
other countries
now uh you didn't have instantaneous
communication. You didn't have emails or
faxes or WhatsApp or or whatever it is.
So there would be a lag time between uh
the date of a takana, the effective date
of a takana and the time that people
would hear about it. The short answer is
that they did send messages. We have in
the Gomorrah itself uh stories of Rabin
Gamlo sending the head of the Sanhedrin
sending messages to the Golola about
Roshesh about Yamov. So it did take
time. Not only that, by the way, uh
there seems to be an interesting idea
and we we know very little about
operationally how it worked that many
takas and gazeras were given a
probationary period because you actually
find in the Gammorrah that certain takas
were not accepted by most of the seabore
or uh it did not spread load meaning
apparently a lot of takas were made on a
certain provisional way that they have
to be accepted.
by the people and they weren't always
accepted and then they would be
repealed. So it would be fascinating
that we just don't know the details of
that. We don't know the mechanism. We
don't know how much time did they all
lot for probation to see if the seabore
is able to live with it or not to live
with it. But those principles are are
there.
>> Uh yeah.
So
unique
in that
with
complaining about the month and saying
how
like they're basically tired of it and
they call like
and my question is that I know like
mentioned before says that
um the fact that many were complaining
for water wasn't necessarily a sin
because they're very very thirsty. I was
thinking a similar question also like
here also like and then they if someone
is being served three times a day the
same exact food it would get difficult.
I'm not justifying the way they express
it.
>> Yeah. But I'm sure that they had
different tastes and things of that
sort. But what exactly was a b is that
why did hashem decide to bring the from
the
attack specific like a copper snake? Why
did it have to be in that way?
>> Yes. So the question is that we know
that throughout the bin Israel complain
about water and and lack of food and the
Rambam lays down a fundamental idea that
by hitting the rock we're going to read
in this week's para right the great sin
of Mosha Rabenu actually makus what the
a is but let's just go with the simple
understanding of Rashi that Moshe hit
the rock in anger and he was supposed to
speak to the rock or or like the Ramban
he called some rebellious ones. Uh and
because of this it was decreed that
Misha Rabenu cannot enter Erit Israel.
So the Rambam in the Praim says that the
real Ara was Mosha Rabenu got angry at
the Jewish people. The hitting of the
rock was a manifestation of anger. He
wasn't thinking. Now why was it a sin
for Mosher Rabenu to get angry? So the
Rambam writes because the Jewish people
didn't do anything wrong.
Miriam died. The traveling well of
Miriam
stopped. They didn't have water.
Somebody complains they don't have
water. There is nothing wrong with
complaining because they need water. So
the so the Rambam writes in the program.
I know I'm just giving you the
background that there is no sin for a
person who is crying out because they
don't have what they need to be alive.
Now so your question is so why by the
man when they complained about the man
uh obviously Hashem Hashem was angry
Hashem was angry at them and indeed
Hashem gave them the Slav gave them the
quail
uh which resulted in their dying etc and
the mafa. So what's the difference? So
again, I mean I mean you're asking the
question, but but but I think you
yourself said the difference. The
difference is water is necessary for
survival. The man gave them what they
needed, especially according to Kazal
that it could taste like whatever they
wanted it to taste like. They wanted
steak. They wanted ice cream. They
didn't have ice cream in those days. It
could be whatever they wanted except for
onions and garlic that affect nursing.
So I think in a sense wanting meat is a
luxury. I I I think that's the pious
meaning to say if Hashem has taken care
of you but you're upset because you want
more. All right has a that why don't you
accept what hashem gives you
a wealthy person is happy with what he
has. So to ask between not having water
and not having steak uh you know there
is there is a big a big big difference
there. Uh hashem expected them to be on
a higher madrea. Is this the para they
were asking for for meat also?
>> Asking for what?
>> Is this the para they were ask were they
asking also for meat here?
>> Well well may may not have been asking
for meat but they were saying we
remember all the good maybe they wanted
a vegetarian diet. Remember all the good
food we had in Mitra. So they were
saying the man does not satisfy us. The
man is monotonous. Now again if you
didn't have kazal that the man could
taste like whatever they tasted you know
maybe your tina would be you be more of
a tina even then one would wonder
because they could survive on the mun
but if it could taste like whatever you
want by the way there's a medish pa but
now you um medish pia is an interesting
this just means an enigmatic medish it's
an irregular medish but they over the
years uh aonim compiled books of unusual
midrussian and one of the unusual mad
Rashim is it brings the story of the man
and it says man
Shabas the complaint of the man is the
source for lighting Shabas candles. So
what's the what's the shas of
complaining about the man with lighting
shabas candles? The answer is very
pious. The man could taste like whatever
they wanted. Elm, it didn't look good.
Oh, so you see that part of enjoyment of
food is what you see what you're eating,
not just the taste. Therefore, you light
shabas candles because that contributes
to the onic shabas of enjoying what
you're eating. Of course, that would fit
like the shitos that say that the main
place where you light shabas candles is
the moil, the place where you eat. So,
you'll be able to see the see the food.
>> Specifically, the copper
>> Oh, yeah. The co the copper snake.
This this section doesn't seem like in
the text that that were complaining
about
food and punish them like there's
there's bread or water and we're just
tired
and then comes through the congress.
>> Yeah. Yeah. By the way, that as you know
that is the uh symbol of the American
Medical Association, the copper snake.
Uh and that's from the Nashos. By the
way, just to remind people that was
preserved in Claw, Israel as a
remembrance of that miracle until the
time of Hamel where he destroyed it. He
destroyed it because people were turning
it into a an Aodora type of thing. So it
was no longer a memorial of Hashem
taking care of them. They turned it into
an idol. Therefore, he felt he had to
destroy it. Um well part of part of the
lesson of the is that we have to
understand that the maka of Hashem is
ultimately itself the rafua meaning
whatever suffering hashem sends us is
the source of the healing that will
bring us to chuva and introspection. So
therefore the at least in in
representation the very thing that was
killing us is ultimately the thing that
will bring us to a better place and
that's really a perspective on how you
view Ysurin generally that the trials
and tribulations that I get in life are
the vehicles of purification. Uh yeah,
>> I think we learned in Broncos that you
should respond on men at the volume or
lower volume to the person dominating
for the seabboard. That doesn't seem to
be common today. And is that is that
something we should still follow? And is
that the the fault of the the people
responding to the men or the fault of
the person praying for not praying
louder?
>> Uh well, I don't know. I I don't want to
assign fault. It depends on the
situation. Sometimes the kazan is too
low and sometimes the is too loud. But
you're correct. It's
based on the gum that you should try to
modulate yourself with the with the
problem is though once again we get into
you know each of us has our own a main
style. So we we we tend to answer at a
certain volume modulation uh but the
khaz will be a different kazin every
time. So, so it's hard to consciously
match up, but you try to match up when
you can. Uh, yeah, in the back.
>> Um, so particular this uh particularly a
question for people who um maybe were
were weren't always religious or weren't
always as religious as they may become
later. But whenever somebody um does
grow in life and then they have um
deep regrets about
things that from their that they now
know and really feel were were terrible
sins. Um,
how should they um
like make it an immediate point to go
about doing chuva for those things or
should they just focus on on on your new
your new proper life on that growth?
Don't don't interrupt that to to to do
to do cha for the old life and just take
care of that by your kipper or should
they say no like like you know it was a
serious thing obviously it's something
serious things that that maybe now you
realize you have to do chuba for should
you stop everything and do chuba and um
and the second part of my question would
be and and what about just not for um
chuba just for date things not not this
bigger question of like big old
>> past
when's the proper time to do chuba
should you stop everything in your chuba
Yes. So, so Rabeno Yina says Rabeno Yina
wrote Zarishon. He was the nephew of the
Ramban and Rabenuina wrote the great
safer called Share Chuva. But he then
wrote a much shorter work called Yoda
Chuva which is like a very brief summary
of the principles of Chuva. And if you
look at the art scroll Makur uh for Yam
Kipper, you'll actually see a whole
translation. The whole yodat chuva it's
a very short thing like five pages is in
the arts grar and the first thing raen
says in yodat chuva is a very very
interesting thing he says the first step
in coming close to hashem by chuva is
not to think about your past and regret
it but to forget about your past and
look at this as the as the cliche goes
this is the first day of the rest of
your life because if you think about
things too much then you get overwhelmed
with your mistakes. You feel depressed,
you feel guilty, you feel subraen, you
lose your energy and you lose your
impetus and then you're mired in because
your mind is so connected to that
negativity. So he says that he doesn't
give you a time frame per se but he says
you first have to concentrate on
building yourself up by generating
light. You don't attack the darkness by
taking a baseball bat and hitting the
darkness. The darkness disappears by the
light that you generate in positivity in
mitzvos and masima. So he does suggest
that you don't confront your past until
you've built up a pretty strong
foundation of Torah and mitzvos. Uh
you're well established in in your path
and then you're ready to take on the
challenge. Eventually you got to look
back. Eventually you got to try to
rectify. Eventually you got to confront
the demons. But that's not the first
thing you do. The first thing you do is
your marb or so in truth. Therefore in
the process of chuva there's a certain
element of you put it behind you. You
don't think about it and then you go
back and you think about it but from a
position of strength and not from a
position of weakness. That's
psychologically a very very important
point not to think about my sins that
much at least initially because my job
right now is to build myself up and rebu
says you should look at it as if you
were born today. Today is a new
beginning. What happened yesterday is
not my affair anymore at this point. But
again, as I say, in the long run, you do
have to confront it.
way to know when it's time to
>> you know it it it's hard to know every
person has to do their own assessment uh
but you know and we we can make mistakes
sometimes we do it too early or too late
that's very true but essentially we try
to understand ourselves
when are you when are you strong when
are you good when are you committed when
can you take looking back at a difficult
past and you know you try to do the best
that you can and try try to you know
know yourself well enough and this is
where you know uh your come in and this
is where your if you have friends that
you can fight in can help you a lot in
this in this too sometimes you know we
can't make the judgment call ourselves
we need to go outside ourselves a little
bit but at the end of the day you have
to be the one that makes that decision
yeah
>> um often times toos will
that are
>> I'm sorry who will
>> tossus will quote other garamaris and
he'll make references to them and he
won't bring enough um context from the
other places for us to even have any
remote idea of what he actually is
trying to say when to compile um the
work um was his expectation that we
already know shots that we're able to
know all these different things off the
top of a head did he expect us to go and
check it up um check up or did we simply
not need to know those things that he's
quoting and can understand toos without
those sources.
>> Yeah, that that's a very excellent
question. Um, now it is said no the bal
toos
had yeshivos in France and Germany.
They're called the baltosos. The
founders of those yeshivos were the
grandchildren of rashi like raenutam but
eventually there were hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of tidim and
that's why toos by the way were written
by different people. The toos and mak
shabas are not the same authors as the
toos and mas. That's why it's yua that
you cannot ask a contradiction from toos
to toos unless it's a person unless a
person is mentioned. But but if it's a
tossos without a person you know written
by different people over different times
right so you can't ask a contradiction.
Now it is said though that the way the
tomos yeshivas were structured is each
student was responsible to know an
entire track date. So if we're learning
bakama
I have 35 students in my share your job
is to know brahos by heart and your job
is to know shabas by heart and your job
is to know and kitten and kaducian and
kin. So every line we learn in Bakama,
the Brahos guy could raise accasha from
Brahos and the Shabas guy could raise
the kasha from Shabas and the tovas were
compiled by the individual disciples
mastering the trackct tape. So they
could ask any type of kasha or
inconsistency from that track date.
Right? So you see that it may be that
not every tomat at least at initial
level knew every track date but there
was somebody in the shar that did and
that was the basis of the toos
discussion. So what is expected of me
though I'm learning a toos and I didn't
learn all of these mectos.
Um you know you're right uh that that's
it's a lot of extra work. uh you have to
look it up. You have to try to figure
out the passage and you'll learn a lot.
You'll learn a lot. I mean that's why
Tossis is a way of learning a lot of
Gomorrah because in any tossis you might
have to look up five or six or even more
Gammoras and get into it. Now
without attacking the yeshiva system
this is actually a strong argument that
uh you should actually learn a lot of
Gamarra and Rashi before you even get to
toss. I mean let's imagine we had a
different type of system in which we
spent two or three years just doing
gamarra rashi without any tossus at all
and you kazar
so then you'll find I mean you didn't
finish but you'll find that a lot of
tossim will not be so hard for you
because you'll already know the gamaras
that are being referenced in other words
this may be an argument in favor of
extended plain gammorra learning as a
preparation for tossus but if we don't
do it that way because we want to
introduce TOSS earlier. That means
you're going to have to look it up.
However, let me point out another thing
though. Depending on the toos, it's hard
to generalize. Sometimes
you can learn a tossos without fully
going through the proof texts. In other
words, toos asks a question
and tries to prove the question from a
gamorrah. and Tossos gives an answer and
tries to prove the answer from the
Gomorrah. But sometimes it's only the
nature of a proof meaning you can follow
the argument
even without knowing the proof. It's
like I understand the question I
understand the answer I didn't fully
look at the proof text. Sometimes that
is possible. It is possible to learn a
tossos. I mean it's the second best way
of doing it. It is possible to learn a
tossos without going into the proof
because the proof is simply supporting a
freestanding question and answer.
However, that's not always going to
work. Sometimes the question itself only
makes sense by virtue of the proof text
and then you do have to look it up. You
do have to look it up and spend time uh
in trying to understand what's going on.
Other times you're you are able to skip
it and save it for later later analysis.
Uh yeah.
>> Are there are there a lot of open
references to barba throughout?
>> Yeah. Are there a lot of references to
bar? The answer is the answer is no. The
barba revolt again just to be sure
people know what that is exactly. Uh the
Jewish people uh waged a war against
Rome between 66 and 70 which culminated
in the basikt. It was an attempt to
overthrow Roman rule. Arim were not in
favor of that war. Arim warned the
zealots of Baronim not to engage in that
war. But this was in violation of theim
and it resulted in now the temple was
destroyed. Generally speaking the year
that we give 70 of the common era
between 68 and 70 is the most common
date that's given.
Around 60 years later,
130 we had a second revolt. This is
after the Kurban led by Shimon Ben Kosa
that Rabaka called Barba the son of a
star. Rabika thought he was Mashiach.
And this was a second attempt to
overthrow Roman rule in Arit Israel. Uh
Rabaka thought Bara was Mashiach. Rabaka
actually began building a third base on
Mikdash
uh under Barokba. Baroka was initially
very successful. There were 900 villages
that were liberated from Roman rule. I
mean they're small but 900 villages.
There are coins that were minted. Shimon
Ben Kiva Ni Israel. And yet eventually
what happened was in 135 the barba
revolt was mercilessly
terminated in betar and uh not it's not
not modern betar but the town that's
called betar in the garra and the
casualties in the aftermath of barbar
were much much worse than the bas
mikdash devastating devastating
casualties so the question become now
remember so that's 135b is 70 followed
Barba and the death of Rabaka 135. The
Mishna was written around the year 200
after the Barba revolt. Right? So by the
time the Mishna is written, it's after
Barba at a time at a temporary time when
conditions were relatively okay for the
Jewish people, you know, went and came
and went. So the question is uh does the
Gomorrah make, uh detailed references to
the Barok revolt? The answer is no. Uh
it doesn't talk about it. The usual
talks about it a little bit more than
the Bavi. That's true. The Bavi I
believe does not even mention
I have to check but I believe the Bavi
does not even mention Bara as a person.
I might be wrong. Uh the Bavi talks
about another guy who's called Baroma
and it seems to be a pseudonym for Barba
but there is no direct mention. And
again, I I here uh I permit the hate
mail to correct me if I'm wrong because
I I can't say I'm 100% true. Uh but I
believe the Bobby does not mention Baru
by name. And all of the stories we know
about Barb are from the Tommy Drew Sheli
in Tus Mak's Tinus and the like and um
why Khazal don't talk about Barba that
much is very very interesting but they
seem to have regarded it as a fiasco and
a tragedy.
And you're dealing with a difficult
situation because you had Rabi, the
greatest of the
who put all of his eggs in the barba
basket and that decision resulted in
tremendous tremendous tragedy. I think
the had difficulty how to kind of
>> how to understand well the brings that
when said Mashiach. So one of the said
to him grass will grow out of your hands
in the grave before Mashiach comes. So
don't I mean there were that disagreed
with Rabaka but Rabi Aka was the
greatest.
So Lammya this does raise a question and
I'm not prepared to to really answer it.
I mean was Rabi Aka wrong? Did Rabi Aka
make this awful awful mistake that cost
well the Gomorrah says millions of
lives? All right. said the foresh say it
must be an exaggeration but the numbers
in the garra are astronomical it's in
the millions although as they say I mean
the m before say it this was a gma
so the standard understanding was that
barra potentially could have been
mashiach
the generation wasn't worthy see how do
you the ram's language is this rakiba
thought barka was mashiach
ad shaherag
Bavonos
until he was killed
because of sins.
So there's a little bit of an ambiguity
in the Rambam's formulation.
Does he mean Bara was killed because of
our sins? meaning he was Mashiah but
Hashem took him away
or does he mean barba had his own aus
which shows he wasn't mashiach
which is actually a more difficult
proposition because that would indicate
raba was totally wrong so there are
different ways of learning one is but
rabaka was right eli the generation
didn't rise didn't rise to the challenge
>> so historically speaking it wasn't like
shops where like he went off to and
started doing bad things right
>> well As far as I know, the usual does
not record him going off the derek,
except for the idea of ga, meaning the
idea of attributing the one
that is mentioned is the idea that we
don't need God. You know, we're powerful
enough to do this on our own, which
would be the Ga, but it wasn't like
Shabsite who converted to Islam. It
wasn't wasn't that particular story. So
once again um Khazal kind of covered it
up because they saw the dangers of false
false messianism as we see in Jewish
history later. Uh well starting with
Yashka himself and then of course
Shabsight and a number of other cases.
In fact the Rambam has a whole letter
about false mashiach way before
Shabites.
Okay. Uh last question or finished.
Okay. All right. Thanks a lot and have a
good week.