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You look around.
Do I fit in? Do I not fit in? Like when
I meet them like Rabbi, I'm a bad Jew.
You know why? Like it happened.
Turns out
with depression against depression
for us most of what we experience is a
given.
Don't want to be on
shific
The school black and white color.
Um
forestond
finally.
How was it?
Unbelievable.
Happens to be sus.
The time where you bring down the
inspiration
like sitting down you internalize it. So
that's not internalizing. Everyone's
still on a high. Um but unbelievable
hundreds of literally hundreds of people
like from where
to see that their their interest their
enthusiasms
little kids. So
like people people were
unbelievable.
Well the listeners
listen
Mexico is based on tourism.
connected
local
tourist even the tourist
for the
tourist
expats or people that that are staying
there for an extended period of time. Um
but it's run very differently
whatever it is. So naturally
Eping is a just introduce Eping. So like
you said outside London
like 45 minutes
in beautiful forest but a suburb sto
young families um
there's no um it's people was
we didn't know at the beginning but in
the surrounding villages
um the history
in Europe.
>> Wow.
>> I never did my own research.
>> A huge center for Yiddish.
>> East London East London.
>> North East London.
>> Yeah. East is Yeah. So basically
and what happened is over time
directions mainly
traditional
butcher school whatever it is
towards London
Borumwood Milh Hill Shandley like all
those London areas huge huge uh growth
in the Jewish community.
in the Jewish community
going.
Yeah.
Um but without without um judging but
of the tough and the priority
and so on
to school but mention for the local
schools and traditional vine
you know as the generations went by. Um
so this is eping the job is to find them
and everything
local infrastructure for the Eden.
It's a very it's a very different
lifestyle.
Vietnam.
So like
I mean I can speak for myself and most
of most of my fellow
we're going to go somewhere nice and
fun. It's a big decision to make right.
you're giving up basically
when you're young for life,
you know. So, it's a massive jump to to
drop everything and to go. So in the
context in their decision, you know, I
was in my early 20s, seven years ago.
Um, in that context
inspired
like you hear it again and again and
again and
you don't really I don't think you think
about
So in that context
location but it happens to be
there was very tropical tropical
locations which came up but each place
for a different reason and you know and
ultimately we ended up in Eping. Having
said that
I won't be fully in it but um in
retrospect
they have under the challenges
constantly faces and the movement but on
the other hand it's
school
away 20 minutes each way every day. Can
I know how to
food is is next door right we do
shopping
cuz even though it's only an hour away
from
I don't know
mention you know
and suddenly
we have amazing people in who has our
text message they they pack it up in the
shops branch pit different places in San
Phil such good people um easily
community
mention that you're going throughout
their lives. So the investment mention
suddenly they gone right like tourists
you give them everything but they gone
the next day
where you're actually growing together
with the families
Yeah.
What's going on there?
a caveat
basically.
I don't
as a young
Okay. So, one second. So, a personal
question
like what's going on?
Yeah. Okay.
I'm sure we'll get to it. We'll get to
it.
But one second.
So don't forget to take
this off. We're on it. We're on it. So
um okay. So
I know you didn't mean it in that way.
I think that's the first the first
But that's the first misunderstanding
was
>> because
he grew up. Yeah.
>> And and it's true.
I didn't know Eping exists until like
eight years ago when I found out about
Eping. It wasn't on the radar forest.
But uh it's in in our insul community
>> in a bubble bubble
hopefully bubble but um but we
automatically think
Um, but what I've come to see
like that's you know punishment it's
expresses our true self. Um so as much
as you see it the same thing in on on
the ground and that's been my experience
99.9%
for mentioning
accessible for
drive the taxi. So weekends
whatever happens
doesn't matter when
7:15 719
by the fence ers,
you know, the sun's beginning to set.
I was looking forward to the list,
but obviously
whatever.
So,
in the background,
There's no
excitement.
Where was I going with the story?
a personal invite,
right?
Like it was one of the
intentionally could be, could be not.
But
personal invite.
So everywhere experience
most of them
mostly speaking in the to bring it there
to bring make awareness
communities.
Um
like it's not too much. You don't think
twice.
You know, you look around.
Do I fit in? Do I not fit in?
You know,
like when I meet them like Rabbi, I'm a
bad Jew. You know, I'm I'm not I'm not
religious. You know, this is the the
opening comment.
I hope it's okay
back into stories, but I was walking on
the high street
and um
and for whatever reason
he stopped coming
uh let's call him uh let's call him
There you go.
By the way,
it brings,
you know, whatever.
How do you celebrate,
you know,
what do you do? It was a genuine
question.
I got emotional. I was like I was
choking up.
45 minutes minimum.
reasons like whatever
you could live like everyone else
like it's incredible what you do
like we
um but there I was in Harlo Harlo
but I'm
which I look after in
the last few days.
Anyway,
the hose I can't remember what it was
from Harlo. It's far out. Yeah. A
council house
kitchen
a cabinet for the followers
walk-in closet.
This is my kitchen. This couple was hard
nothing dedicated
whatever
it's unbelievable.
I mention but everyone
and on the contr
because they're not getting it a lot. So
when the guest
enthusiastic
Epic. Yeah. So, Eping the the location
based on like I was saying earlier more
or less system
is amazing by the way is a fan. We all
we all love is the Jewish organization
in the UK. people
in the UK in England
the numbers 79 kabad houses individual
moes
79 in the UK
>> oh wow
>> um um 30 of them in the last 10 years 30
mention of
them from scratch in the last 10 years
it's booming it's growing massively
come from
>> the budget the budget
UK
were terrible for some reason.
Yeah, 100%. It's a next door guys in the
city meeting
Hebrew schools. You know it's it's all
happening.
Who are you thinking about?
>> Yeah. But anyway,
Very good.
>> Exactly.
>> Very good.
No problem.
>> Yeah. for the branding.
for the branding.
Coffee
report.
I agree.
So
why
at the early years? So the country got
the couple in Italy in England.
So um um and they started from scratch
you know
and eventually the setup is
Manchester in the early days
you know so it's kind of systemat
like couples was then ready in desperate
to go on, you know, to set up. This is
the this is the the goal in um and and
so how it works nowadays
young couples after
you know
for life for the
um
and how you look for a place everyone do
networking and you
don't know if the follow
but um
but what's more interesting is
caravans RVs I think they call it
in Australia
documentary of them
um I think but anyway so
the guy in the supermarkets. I got in
the the local the city center, you know,
any Jews, you know,
and slowly but surely
unfortunately
100%. Yeah. Jonathan, chief rabbi
as um what was his statement to hunt
down every Jew with love as if he said
the antidotes to the Holocaust where
they hunted down every Jew with hate.
with love um 100% in like the most
valuable thing is a list for name
addresses
but prospects
social media n And
for sure
startups in California
for sure.
But um anyway, so so list you know
that's how I start. So
happens to be and I were looking at
somewhere else in
fell through
going to burn out cuz like I said you
know the family and
move
I remember before leaving like no matter
how much we knew
and you know
um when it came to actually signing the
dotted line, you know, to to likeacking
packing the bags, watering the shipping
company.
>> It takes it was it was a a transition
was we had to actually have a reckoning
like are we in are we in all the way
like we we have to take inspiration from
there. It's a big step. So Eping we were
looking at a different place
after
for whatever reasons in Spain
in Mayora
beautiful place name
I'm not
retireism.
But anyway,
you know, Barcelona, I don't remember.
Um so we you know everything was an
option. Eping came up.
So
compiled
demographics
to
um so he was considering changing uh
moving
so he reached out to us
security meaning the highly Muslim area
basically
>> he he doesn't feel safe yeah he doesn't
feel safe there,
you know,
it's one of our big jobs just to be on
the front lines, you know, when people
people experiencing we'll talk about it
later.
Okay.
Actual life changing
the situation is is
>> in some areas is not safe anymore
of the positive side but uh on realistic
also.
Yeah, I think also
infrastructure community
experience because
neighbors
not like you don't get carried away.
>> By the way,
but before
main spor
which is um the famous Sterns bakery.
Exactly. So
famous brands since 1955 in America.
>> Yeah.
Exactly.
Finally bringing the product
a big variety and a big range of stuff
in the shops already.
So I'm sure
come full circle of the podcast
I don't know half the things
the lines
so
have you tasted
favorite for the
favorite
black and white.
Don't worry
breakfast.
Breakfast. I'm going for months break.
Very good stuff.
Closeup camera.
So, we're passing the the brownies. The
clown.
Oh, get
tomato.
Mhm.
So,
tasting the products from St. Go check
them out in the UK supermarkets or in
America
probably quality products made in the
USA.
and the cost of groceries and enjoyment
mentioned anti-mitism.
You meet it also in apping the noise of
an antiism.
So
advert and sterns and singing delicious
but
segue cut a sharp cut. So maybe just to
to to back step back in terms
but like you're saying flourishing
but it changes very quickly.
armed police outside my house
of the trunk in England for the follow
but in England police got guns right so
so armed police usually armed undercover
police
rifles six seven types of guns
as we all know
terrorism plot against those in England
in Manchester
>> really had no idea
>> I can I can bring up if you want me to
check exactly cleav
um I'll tell you roughly what the report
said. So two men have been arrested on
suspicion of terrorism offense following
major counterterrorism operation
Manchester. The pair were arrested in
the northern quarter on Sunday afternoon
under the terrorism act and remain
police custody. Um yeah counterterrorism
officers have also carried out searches
at addresses in Sford and Liverpool.
H no idea. So
security got you know
um anti-semitism. So I can't speak for
can't speak for anyone just about for
myself but the lived experience
often
I'm out of it. Let's say the city or
whatever jobs maybe it's more I'm not
under I'm not underestimating it. Um,
I'm not belittling the experience, but I
think mostly mostly
growing up in
October 7th issues,
dirty, we got shouts
from
I don't know
but
and we arrive back
and we get egged on
car drives by like it happened but um so
but it doesn't make us question who we
are it doesn't make us couple of whereas
community
you know there's so these people
experiencing
level 100% and I experiencing this
because I I experienced because they're
with
and people say comments especially
people who don't even know Eden
because
let's address
going to school and
you know
mixed. Yeah. Yeah. So for sure their
their experiences
I would say on on the most part
personally first of all personally
local
public
feel safe.
I love
the Jewish people. Don't don't wear the
don't wear the yam on on here. Like it's
not safe. Like he cared about me. So
like
I could put him in.
Um
I was just going to say the
Facebook group
and tag the Facebook group. So the the
post basically
and and the engagement from that post
what's newsworthy
and the engagement the comments with the
likes
but people definitely are experiencing
it
in community and uh
in we prepared whatever shiny event
family
out of
That's a it's a move
haircut.
>> Yeah. In mystical.
That's like So I think that's why.
So she's So we're having this thing.
So
as the meaning
exactly
we're proud
of David
and she never took it off.
the connection with
necklace right but last week of the
underground
the details but
I don't know
physical
for the first time
but like I was like whoa like
You know I was debating are you sure but
yeah
experienced this right
vulnerable
but on the other hand for sure.
Wow. It's like it makes it makes an
impact. So anti-semitism in short um
we have
October 7
people
especially the public events
on the other hand
awakening
the front row October 7th That's not
um um
like it woke something up. because he
came to me that in
his 50s maybe early 50s and his
traditional
and he he when he was 18 19 20 found out
you know he found the world
main problem the holocaust
decades later it's October 7th dining on
the table.
Holocaust
7th,
right? October 7th,
but October 7th
in the books
in the books academically
questions, but when you experience it,
when you when you when you feel it, what
does it do to you? The exact opposite
because it wakes something up inside us.
So from October 7th is
on the other hand is challenges I try
and help and uh the more help the better
like it's there's so much to do. I was
going to share with you as uh since
October 7th from the programs or the
programs the most invested in October
7th is the youn the youth particularly
the the teenagers 16 17 18 year olds. So
was was difficult demographic because
party
difficult demographic to engage
challenging we can but it's more
challenging
dedicated
dedicated under them employees in the
focus not of their age group you know to
to make events for them and to engage
them these people what I realized is
and everything special special
I'll tell you the end from the story but
but
school, secondary school in
16, 17 to school. Who decided valuable m
school? Yeah. Friends, done exams,
future prospects, uni, everything is
school.
Every kid had to make a PowerPoint
presentation
PowerPoint presentation. Again, history,
geography, nothing to do with current
events, nothing to do with politics.
The topic
presses hit play on the on the
PowerPoint.
The teachers
get to school, a local school, but I get
to school.
students
>> in front of class.
>> Wow.
>> He obvious
after the lesson
break time recess. He he goes up to her
deputy headut.
to the beaches in the clouds of
basically again
a big way.
the policies
survivor.
So
the most vulnerable
we don't feel comfortable at work. I
know
I'm not saying it's easy, but it's all
my life.
they they've got nothing else
and it's
so what I did then in the schools in the
leadership was the head teachers
emergency meeting emergency meeting for
sure. So
I'm coming from the parents from the
students
or anything.
skills.
Should we should we suspend them?
Department
which are in your care.
So
students
So
learn
whatever it is safe space
starting point.
So
because of the it's the cool place to be
the prison.
Exactly. Flight
in the school
whatever.
But
My job as a as a rabbi is
system within the system.
Yeah.
Community
like it's going to be
friends but discriminate
the point group
feels safe and
still going to happen.
You know the 21 22
fundraising and a big part of is because
unique as the sponsorship
bridge because
I develop a feeling for them.
pure.
>> Yeah.
>> Because Yeah. Because people
everything
engaged
mention
to come along with their journey to
health.
So
link I'll link the WhatsApp number in
description you can follow along the
story
people get updates
community
inspired and they just love it
absolutely love it
impact Um mention
ready to sacrifice mention
in the community
the way they receive it. Um but also
element this
asping is our community.
Basically, it means
I'm family, right?
But we're all one and we care for each
other.
No one's
there's there's
literally
allergies everything.
So they don't have a network of friends
and they have to do life on their own
illnesses.
for
donations for the shield
membership.
But involved and two months later
whenever it was
obviously
and it was a tough time and I remember
you know
But like what how do you handle it?
But in retrospect
that was happening but yet they got
community
recuperating. But the
um um the amount of support from them
events
local
the stores
and we we run a tight budget, you know,
we're maxing every shing boxes
boxes upon boxes
and everything. So uh so so
delies
few boxes for shabas the next day you
know
beautiful
busy
as I'm putting in the bag,
but I'm putting all the food in the bag
tomato
like I'm doing it on the
Turns out
depression depression
recovery times
difficult complex surgery. She couldn't
get out of bed.
They were doing something. She was in
bed.
But the point again like someone cares
about and there's no one there for these
Jewish organizations
for the community
or
traditional
organizations
center in London Manchester the the main
central locations But was eping was was
handled which is stuck in bed in
kind of
so I was just saying in terms of the
fundraising for
which move people
but
every type of
>> it was the roof the d the
the roof the
It covers it covers
it covers
anyway. So
it is what it is. You know obviously we
try our best and we try and fund raise
more but
now that's it on the ground
to the best of our ability
hypothetically
you know
Hebrew school
friends activities
and he's starting from scratching.
Wow. Family. Seriously.
I had to raise a lot of money.
Yeah. The minute you start breaking
down, it's ridiculous. Like fleet. I
feel when like you're stretching and
you're like putting everything together.
But anyway,
one second. What was I saying? Sorry.
Like I already kind of maxed out.
I was I wasn't meeting anymore
and they gave 360 180 I want to be
parting
to them from
locally
is huge. I don't think
mention mention mine that they're not
doing enough. So,
but unbelievable mention
and it's true. mentioned.
So for sure
thinks
I tell you this. I remind you the story
in
China.
So biscuits. Anyway, we worked it out. I
think it was like uh £15 a package or
whatever it was low cost. And anyway,
the the contrast. I come around
love this. Absolutely love it.
Anyway, couple days later
one second
the packages maybe on donation, right?
Yeah,
for a second maybe expectations or
whatever.
How much I love him.
He approved from them.
Thank you.
This and that. Fast forward a year or
two.
Wow.
Okay. Go on.
I shine in a scene. Same font.
By the way,
okay%
foundations
the average was just average. Everyone
does it in their own way.
>> We listen. We listen. We like to listen.
>> We don't.
>> No, we don't judge. We don't judge.
And also people find different ways of
giving but 100%
guilt is you know
like that's just the way it is. It's
ingrained in us.
Yeah.
the impact of the family. But first of
all um
the funds
>> you have a few kids. How many kids you
have
now from my experience? Um
work involves everyone. It involves the
wife, the kids, you fulltime
exposure to
so
Yeah. How what's the impact on them and
the family? What is the impact involved
on the family? Okay.
Is that what you're asking?
Okay.
So, and you're not unique.
And I get it. I get it. Especially
No, but I get it. I get it.
Question. So,
armed police armed.
But okay.
ever. It's true. It's true.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's crazy. But um
I don't have to tell you
families was for whatever reason
this engaged disenchant you know them
they didn't have a good experience or
whatever it is to
It's like people come to
space
background. So we know we know what it
means. So we we keep our door open.
America
and next door hose two houses and some
residential holes that we used for the
which we couldn't find a space for
years. were looking for a space
community space
planning and enforcement officer
few came back three four times whatever
finds my number online says
in the holes the next door
airport
as I start you don't
enforcement Haring
Stanford
planning and everything
many times. And the neighbors, you know,
the neighbors are supportive mostly.
And I I I feel with them like it's a
temporary and also we very
so we try generally speaking
myself like when in those years
the people the furthest away because can
Um, but you rely on
and also
accept
innocent
like I don't get involved
judgmental innocent
address
the next
okay
sensitive topic. Yeah, let's crack on.
We'll move on. But um
so
he leaves it there. So
busy, we don't
like busy community life.
You have to have special time for the
kids. Yes, it's it's tough
family time
and mommy's busy with the you know with
the kind events and everything
I was checking
last night
the children's service
but um they they grow up
local groceries.
Whatever
which goes into it obviously
parties locally, birthday parties from
friends
whatever different
little do ice cream at the party
next time like we we we there's they
shouldn't feel they've lost out being
>> but um but generally speaking
to school
and you're driving and you're driving
it's a traffic and even today this
morning when you drive they used to
they block the road to cross the zebra
schools
at night another school another school
and every time they
school and they're proud of it so so
yeah that's That's the long answer
question.
Not going to give up on that.
happens to be
an
so
because 20 means they need to be a4 to 9
like we have to wake them up 600 6:30
getting dressed going you know a longer
journey
school I have friends 420 4:15
homework, you know, this time 5:30,
6:00, it's like a
more or less for the next day. So,
So teacher
mind she meant it well but a few days
later
don't want to be on I was like shocked
days what happened like digging turns
out the teacher points
to certificates in front of school
assemblies
general
In keeping of times
this morning
at least two hours later
anyway the car
certificates.
Legoland
certificate
black and white color.
So I'm just saying
because we chose it, you know,
we chose they were born there. So yeah,
for sure you have to be in touch. You
have to be aware of what's going on. But
um
the experience
if anything
let's cover very quickly costs
>> costs. Okay.
>> Yeah.
So in transition phase, it used to be
like a oneman band. My wife and I one
man
especially of the podcast
the manu but the
she's likeness
she's committed 100% like on it. So was
just basically the two of us in the
community
but
basically on us and and also we're like
trying to like make ends meet like we're
stretching thin you know our budget and
um as things are growing
whatever we don't do is not going to
happen. So involved in the fundraising
like
and that's growing slowly. So the budget
250 300
but I'm saying that's
in the next door house soon we're going
to move into space
central high street beautiful space
in
after school activities And it's going
to be a lot a lot's going to happen.
Hopefully our food chef, but eventually
after school activities after school,
different classrooms, different rooms.
So they obviously costs are going to
change and also we got to staff because
you know administrators got youth
directors it's going to grow but um but
yeah currently 250 300 I would say and
>> mortgages
>> yeah
that's money
in talking like fundraising and this is
the annual budget 200 250
family airlines like
the community like we no
but we keep things you know
you know in the community in the
community is is is the way we see it
startup So start
you know that's uh that's the thing you
asking was what what cost everything
cost money everything costs money
packages yeah like I was saying
50,000 last year was 35 40 somewhere
there weekend busy the
Okay,
we need to cover it
mainly
Jewish primary school. Okay.
Gates said gold is green. Okay.
Basically, no problem.
No. No. Okay. No. foreign
very quickly a very talented breed.
didn't music
my celebrity music.
Okay.
Exactly.
Surely green. Surely
in the high streets man or something
the new generation for
sure.
I don't know whatever. So,
hi, I'm hearing you in town.
Point is
everything okay
in the forest
notifications
when you visit
some moving
I don't think
a quick answer to them.
I don't think
like it's a it's a journey.
But um
They got the most unique mix.
So
the journey
Um, and growing up
huge. So, so
tapes. Um, so basically
it wasn't for
unbelievable. Unbelievable.
But uh but
the the the atmosphere.
There was no no cutting corners.
What's going on?
And they all said, "No, no, they love
it."
Unbelievable.
Both ways experience
as it goes both ways
of mention. So basically
podcast
mentioned like it was my own journey, my
own decision.
And then
something very early.
It was a it was a time
meaningful journey emot
move. How was a family response?
My family
understanding you know to say it was
easy
also like yeah back then
in a sense but
you know so
like it's you know they they approve
But my family didn't encourage it.
But
yeah, I can't can't complain.
It's a it's it's everything.
the Turkish coffee or whatever
but mainly coffee
like
different topics
topics Zing, you know, like
right and when I remember like we used
to finish 2 three in the morning and he
woke home from his house to the field
pushing under the belt like was
Yeah.
Anyway,
by the way,
can you can reach out
roadb
experience
touched
and whatever everyone takes it to how
far they comfortable but whatever do
different
people
but
secret is my final question I think
The final
message
outside of the community look
outside the community. vote outside
part of the community.
>> But um
yeah, that's that's a that's a good
question and and
But whatever mention, we're not
generalizing, but
in the system they feel the challenge
from the system. I feel the resentments
like the challenges everyone's got their
challenges with the system
into the outside world. You know,
the picture and they don't know.
you don't mention
you know so maybe
there's all these types of very personal
conversations mention
and I think
uniquely positioned
special Eden which are just they just
want they're just searching for to be
good and to
>> you know
For for us most of most of what we
experience as a given
and then you only experience the
challenge the system for the challenge.
I'm not belittling challenges for sure,
but could share
in the community the beautiful
community
of the
so many different things but community
as a first community is a lifesaver
mention was I mention epif
How do I get him a job?
The community is there to support each
other. Community life is a lifesaver on
so many levels.
um family life
especally
watch this
but families
but in specialamilies
mention
they're on their own basic, you know.
Wow.
community
and obviously the list is endless
100% I was telling you
fundraising American
thousand dollar, right?
buildings.
But
as happens to be in some
separate platform
for the spin. He loved it. But but one
of the game
but
oh so I was talking this person
turns out
a project
but
like gold like
I'm just saying
the beautiful
amazing and this message I think is
thanks for coming in.
It's just inspiring.
I really appreciate
at least.
Wow.
starting from scratch.
>> So that's the next thing on the agenda.
>> I'm I'm inspired and um
and thank you for coming in. Thank you
agreeing to do this. And I also want to
listen
and
see you in the next episode.