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this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com we're going to speak about a very interesting sugya today not a long so yeah uh I mean we I only have a short amount of time but I want to speak about the gemara on base the gemara brought a submit a statement said on the bottom of that one brought up a son based on the testimony of his father to Kahuna one brought up a brother based on the testimony of his brother for La Via said it must be Rebbie was the one who brought up a son based on his father to Kahuna because we learned in abrasa if somebody comes and says beneath this is my son and he's a Cayenne he's Naman he's not Naman to marry him off this is the opinion of Rebbie said if you're going to believe him to feed him truma believe him to marry him off you're not going to believe him to marry off don't believe him to allow him to eat truma cerebi said the reason I believe him to be able to eat Shuma is because it's the reason why the father could testify my son is a Cayenne please give him your truma because the father could give him the truma himself the father could give truma to his kid so he's believed to say and testify he's a coin regarding the son accepting chuma but he's not believed to marry him of to him because to do so that's the that's the uh gemara the sarabiyadhai it would seem like is a star of like Amigo some type of Migo believe me that is to eat to feed him truma because I could feed him chuma okay that's the gemara again one more time um just if you just came the gemara said that red beholds that the fathers believed about his son to feed him truma because it's but he's not believed to marry him off to mirgas because that's not the other so I want to learn with you the tysus or you could look on the screen so the father says beneath that this is my son vakain who that means the master of the father saying two things the father's saying number one this person is my son and number two he's a kind that we don't have outside knowledge that this kid is the son of the father it says from the fact that it says this is my son and he's a claying that implies we don't know if it's the Sun or not and he's coming to testify that a it's my son and it's a Cayenne that he's not a bengusa because if it's already known that it's his son my son is a coin but the fact that he says that means he's testifying about two things he's saying first of all this is my son and he's okay meaning in other words what does it mean if he if he's saying that it's his son then obviously it's a he's a Cayenne because the person testifying is a kind what he's saying is he's not a Ben grusha okay so ptosis is established we don't have outside knowledge that the sun is a kind we only know he's a kind based on the father say so the father is testifying on two things that his son that this is his son and that is a kind vitamah fractis the father should be believed according to everyone to allow him to eat chuma and to allow him to marry why believe me this is my son and he's a Cayenne because I could have said that he's not my son and said he's allowed and then testify about him so tysus wants to know why don't we say Miguel believe me that the kid is a Cayenne because I didn't have to tell you he's my son why right so that's the Kasha what about Migo says even though there is Amigo he's still not believed he's not believed to say that the sun is um allowed to marry to mujases with Amigo that he could have said that it's not his son because at the end of the day he's saying it's his son and he's a karive and since he's a karive he's not believed because based on his own testimony is highlights like we say in yuvamusiata like in the case in her highlights where we say according to you Uruguay the inada sukusi as in a person is not believed to pass a son so let's try to look up this gemara that tysus is quoting where tysus seems to be making a proving that you're not believed to say someone's Kasha with the migu that you could have said they're not your son because at the end of the day you're saying that they're your son so you're a puzzle you're a Karo to them so you're not you're not believed you're not believed to testify that they're kosher to marry mujasis because you just said that you're related even though you have Amigo that you could have said that you're not related similar to the following gemara it's a good morning let's look at this somebody came before of you the um I converted in the best in it's called the best in of the of myself meaning I don't I converted but it's not a good conversion do you have Aiden that you converted yourself I'm really love do you have sons you're believed to pass till yourself you're not believed to pass all your children Rashi there says that since his children were Muslims he's not Neman to pass them Ara um who basically we have xero sarcosum it's called Yakir yakira says that a father has special believability regarding the status of a son so how could rabihuda say your name on for yourself but you're not Neman to say that your son's conversion wasn't good what about Yakir why don't we use yakier says the gemara get this on the screen it got caught up to a guy meaning really there should be a believability through the kayak here the only thing is you're saying that you yourself are a guy if you're saying you yourself are a guy you lose the believability of Yakir so too tysus in subas wants to say tysus's Kasha is why can you be believed to say that your son could marry mujasas because you could have said that he's not your son migu taisa seems to be saying well you're saying that he's your son you're not believed Accord um you're not believed about him the same way if you say you're a guy you're not believed to say your sons geros is no good because you yourself are claiming that your apostle and therefore you lose believability of them Zion so too if you say that he's my son but believe me he's because I could have said he's not my son you're not believed because he's your son the same way being a guy destroys yakier being a relative destroys megu that's what tysus is saying here listen very carefully places bring Araya from evamus that just like saying that you're a guy destroys the believability of Yakir so too saying that you're a relative destroys the believability of Migo now ptosis continues the Africa even though rebbe continues and he says that I am believed I believe him to feed him chuma because it's why my belief that I'm a relative so why could I say that he could eat chuma amigo there you have amigo a philos even if we would know that it's your son listen carefully there even if we would have independent knowledge that it's your son you still have Amigo believe me that he's a kosher because I could feed him but this migu if we would know that it's your son then you don't have amigo the migu of yorksen is believe me he's I could have said he's not my son that migu is destroyed if we know that he is your son so we say you can't use the migu because according to what you're saying you're not believed you're saying you're right you're related machine regarding even if we know he's your son the migu still works even if we know he's your son because it's now this is a very fine split why am I never to feed him truma because I'm Amigo I could feed him Shuma so we see what do you mean but I'm saying that I'm Apostle no but my migu still exists even if we know that he's my son came the migu to allow him to marry me only exists if we don't know he's your son so you could have said he's not your son but once he's saying he once you're saying he is your son you remove your believability because you're not nemon anymore because you're saying he's your son this split is not easy to hear I don't want to focus on this part of Texas I want to focus on the earlier part of Texas the Raya from evamus okay we have to think very clearly for a moment tysus is kasha tosus's answer is just like in evamus you're not believed to say your son's conversion is no good even though normally a father's believed about his son through the kayak of exercise the reason you're not believed is because you say you're a guy and therefore you're disqualifying yourself so to in this case you're saying that he's your son so even though you have the believability of migu being you're passing yourself saying that he's related to you just like saying you're a God he destroys Yakir saying he's your son destroys amigo eager comes along and he has the strongest Kashi ever heard in in your life what in the world is a comparison to ivamis we're trying to the father wants to be believed through Yakir is a father is allowed to say testimony about his son that is destroyed if you say that you're a guy I say I'm a guy you lose the yakier because if you're disqualified for Adis if you say you're a guy but Migo is not the reason the the father wants to be believed over here is believe me that my son could marry him because I'm telling the truth of course I have a rayon telling the truth the proof is if I wanted to lie I could have said he's not my son so what do you want to tell me what Apostle foreign I don't want to be believed as an aide I want to believe through amigo Amigos Migo is a proof I'm telling the truth Edgar here look at this Urban cubego a day that you learned is automatically a good day he quotes tysis with a tices I don't get it foreign amigo is a relative is does someone if they want to be believed through Migo Migos Migo is just indication Migo is just evidence I'm telling the truth so why it's very nice I'm related but I have a proof that we're I'm telling the truth because I could have said he's not he's not my son that's Toby Keith's Bamba of Akasha okay and says basically says I have no answer to this the riot from is not really comparable yakier being spoiled by being a guy is not how does that show that Amigos should be spoiled just because you're related now everybody knows and the oil yeshivas there's a famous how does migu work is it anansadi or is it means like this is migu believe me what I'm saying and give credibility to understand because I wanted to lie I could have said a bigger lie so the better lie the fact I didn't that shows what I'm saying is the truth or somehow famously learns an idea of Migos means not because I could have claimed something that proves I'm telling the truth not because I could have said a better claim that proves I'm telling the truth but because I could have said a better claim I am will consider it as if I get the power of that other claim I could have made so Robert Holland wants to say that this choices proves that Migo does not work in the traditional classic what you would have expected the operation of migu is not believe me when I say A because I could have said b b is much better so it must be when I say A is the truth but rather because I could have said B I am accredited as if I did say B over here yes I could have fooled the best in and said he's not my son and they would have accepted adus but at the end of the day he is your son and you're related to him so therefore you can't testify at him entices is somehow proving this in the governor vamos you know why we don't say Migo let's see if we could figure out what is saying thank you um oh do you have a serum I didn't put this page on you have a cover to your room should I send it to you quickly yeah that's what I'm gonna do could you could could you wait a minute I'll send the kite send it to you okay I'm gonna pause this you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com