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started out with me doing custom one-off projects for lots of different clients uh from tuition systems to gamach to um voting systems, you name it. So we started out at the time like development probably started out in 2005 or somewhere around that time frame. Uh it was at the innings of the internet. Uh browsers were just just you know just a vehicle but it was just flat pages. At some point on the journey, we started getting calls from companies like Schlam who's a public company, massive company, uh, oil and gas, like I think they're the largest in oil and gas. Everyone knew about the deal. We actually wanted to keep the deal confidential. Microsoft said like no way. You know, we can sit here and talk all kinds of techniques, ideas, things that happened. I am absolutely certain if there was no Shaya, there was no way, no chance something like that would have happened.