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they have some form of a grip and some form of a vision and they're just getting it done. But it happens when they start hitting 8 to 10 employees usually is what science has proven where it just starts to get away from them. They start to lose control cuz there's just too many people there. It's not this startup small business anymore. All of a sudden there's a lot going on and there's a lot of things that aren't as easy to control and they start to lose a little bit of control and then start to lose a little bit of sleep and then they lose a lot of time. [Music]