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Sasha, I'm Yasi Freriedman, executive
director of project inspire and I had a
the great honor a year ago to sit down
with your mother in kibbutz near the
backdrop really of the kibbutz how it
looked then and I just want to thank you
for doing this interview. I know that
it's it's been a whirlwind since but I
don't think that you could possibly
comprehend how inspiring you are. Not
that you're trying to be and not that
you see yourself as that person, but you
just being you are an extremely
inspiring individual and I know that
myself as well as many tens of thousands
that'll be watching this video are very
inspired by you as a person.
>> I hope I will inspire some people. It's
uh the only thing I can do with what
happened in order to make it a little
bit better because you cannot erase the
past but you can control the future and
what you're doing with what happened to
you.
>> Wow. So I also want to mention that
Danielle Hass who was really
coordinating this out of Israel and she
is a woman who you obviously wanted to
be here with me but she said that your
mother continues to be an inspiration
for her. She is really her hero. She's
in touch with her through the good
through the bad and so she too is is a
real inspiration for many people as
well.
>> Yeah she is much better than me. She is
a very kind loving person. She became
much more connected to her roots and to
other people. She really really really
their only objective in life right now
is to do good to other people.
She really believes that Hashem has a
plan for everybody and hers is to bring
as much strength, hope and good things
to people by sharing her story, her way
of dealing with that. and she always
happy to go to events. Although it's
hard for her this traveling and
everything, she goes and talks to people
and shares her story and it's amazing to
see.
>> She really is trying to reach as many
people as she can.
>> We'll get to you in a minute, but when
was speaking about your mother, did she
become a person that you almost don't
recognize throughout this whole story?
>> Yeah, my mother changed dramatically
before October 7. She was very private
person. She didn't really like to be
engaged with other people. She had that
little team with me, her and her father
and me a little bit. I wasn't so
involved as a grownup and you know I had
my things going and they were together.
They were a big team and that's all they
needed. And after what happened in
October 7, my dad's passing and
everything, h something changed together
with her internal change and her growth
as an individual become a much more
believer in God and becoming much more
connected to their inner self and in a
way finding her course in life and their
her purpose as she sees it and her view
of life changed so drastically. She also
find a lot of comfort in other people's
love,
affection towards her. A lot of people
helped her during this tough time. She
could not do it along. Not only my
girlfriend, which is now my fiance
also.
Thank you.
Also friends who become real friends.
People didn't know her really connected
to her and become real friends that are
still today helping her. Not in the way,
you know, she they see as as a poor
soul. Actually, they see as stronger
than everybody else that but the thing
is that they really are connected to her
and trying to be friends with her and
she's trying to be friends with them.
And you know, it's it's amazing to see
how her circle of people that are
knowing her, care about her, and with
her grew so much. And I think that it's
a reflection of her inner growth before
that. Part of her being so private, part
of her being so not approachable towards
other people made other people not to
approach her and made her life closer.
When she opened up well from within
towards other people when she felt a lot
of confidence of herself of what she is
and to be vulnerable in front of other
people to want other people to feel
better to do good for them as well.
people felt the same way towards her and
it's it became like a thing that feeds
itself and I can see it with my mother
is a great example of a person who
decided I'm going to open up to other
people. I don't know if she did it
consciously or she just did it from her
emotions and how things involved. But I
can say to you that I think that it's
worth work both ways. It cannot just
start from one of them. It's not only
consciously and not only your feelings
and emotions. It should start from
within as a process and it's such a
beautiful thing and she affected so many
people and so many people talk about it
but I think that not many people talk
about how many pe how much people
affects her and how much she learned
from them and how much strength they
gather from them and how she's grateful
for everybody's help and the people who
supported her in this difficult time.
So, I think it's a good time to say in
her voice, although it's me saying it,
but I know she she would say that that
it's a big thank you for everybody that
contributes to her being able to handle
everything she needed to and support her
in this difficult time.
>> Wow. S, could you take us back October
7th in you were living in the Tel Aiv
area and you came to visit uh to be with
your mom for for the holiday? Well, my
mom and my dad uh we came me and Sapir
to the kibuts on Friday, October 6.
Actually, as usual, we would come once
every two weeks, something like that. At
that weekend, I didn't want to come. I
felt a big big a big a strong feeling of
not wanting to be there. I don't know
why. I don't see I don't think I
foreshadow it. Nobody could. But I just
didn't want to be there in the kiboots.
I really didn't. But Sappir convinced me
to come and I agreed of course and we
came. I met with my friends there. I met
with of course my parents. We had a
shishi dinner. Then I went to see my
friends and we woke up on Saturday in
morning when rocket start firing at us.
It wasn't the first time. I wasn't so
nervous about it. It happened before. I
was pretty used to that. Unfortunately,
we didn't have a safe room in the guest
room we were staying at and I knew you
visited.
So, we didn't have any other choice. I
just told relax. It's going to it's
going to stop. And when it didn't, I
say, well, it's maybe better to take
cover in the safest place we have in the
room, which is near the wall in the
corner of the room. And we put the bed
above us because if the rocket will fall
on the on the concrete above, we will
not be hurt or die from the debris that
is falling. We didn't have any other
option. We couldn't find any spare
moment to go to my parents safe room.
And we wait it out.
>> Ju just so that people understand it's
it's like 20 m.
>> It's like aerial 20 m but in Yeah, it's
something it's very close.
>> It was ongoing. I means your your mother
was was looking at your guest room
entrance from the window of her that's
how close it was and yet there was no
break that was long enough for you to
even get there.
>> Yeah. We felt that it's not worth the
risk. We didn't know what is going what
is going on in the kibuts. We couldn't
imagine the terrorist will get inside.
Actually I started getting text messages
from my friends at the beginning. They
were concerned about what is happening.
They saw in the news but they didn't
know about the terrorists. One of my
friends who is in the Greek reaction
force of the kibbuts, the force that is
responsible of guarding the kibuts is
and
there are not many of them and he wasn't
present in the kibuts. A lot of them got
killed and kidnapped or just killed in
October 7 trying to protect the kibuts
and fighting the f the war that nobody
else could have fought because the army
wasn't there. He sent me a message. He
wasn't the kibbutz at that time but he
got messages from this kit and quick
reaction force and he told me there are
terrorists in other kibbuts in kibbutz
berry and then he told me there are
terrorists as well in the kibbuts and I
said wow it's a new thing I'm not
prepared for that but I couldn't imagine
the magnitude of the situation I thought
okay maybe a unit maybe eight 10 maximum
terrorist got inside the kibuts how many
can they be and I thought that the army
will come. I didn't imagine that all the
south like all the envelope sorry the
angaza envelope area is being attacked
at the same time. I thought that we are
the unlucky ones and terrorists came
towards us. Anyway, my mother after a
while sent me a message about the
tourists going in front of their house.
As Annu stated, it's very close to the
guest room we were staying at. I knew
that they are closed before this
message. a little bit. Me and Sabir
started to hear voices uh screams and
and and shots and everything and we had
an argument. I thought the arm is
fighting those terrorists and we are
hearing some Hebrews, some Arabic,
something like that. She said, "No, it's
only Arabic. They are the terrorists.
They are the Arabs." Said, "No, no, it
cannot be. There must be army fighting
them." And a little bit before they
started breaking the door open, I
remember that I heard sounds of engines
like motors. In the beginning, it was a
car, a vehicle. Said that's a little bit
weird, but maybe it's a vehicle of the
army. But then I heard a sound of a
motorcycle. And that's the moment I
said, well, this is a problem. There
shouldn't be a motorcycle driving around
the kibuts at that time. Army don't have
drive around with motorcycles.
And after a very short uh period of
time, we started hearing the the tourist
trying to beg the door of our guest
room. And I remember sincere sense of
fear, shock, unability to think. I
couldn't do anything. I didn't have any
way to protect myself. Of course, not as
well.
>> Just so the viewer understands, the
entire guest room is a room.
>> It's a room.
>> It's a room with a little, if I
remember, a little kitchenet. It was
like a hot water in the front.
>> 6 foot 6 ft or 6 ft. Something like
that. Very small.
>> So there's nowhere to go.
>> No way to go. Nowhere to go. Not there's
nowhere to go. There is no way to
protect yourself. I don't have any arms.
I'm not a position in this room to I
don't know how to operate a weapon. But
even if I had one, I will figure out how
to operate it. But the room built in the
way that I cannot even protect myself.
One grenade thrown to the room. We are
both dead. It's so small. So I knew that
there is no way to fight it out and I
had no means to do that as well. Thank
God because maybe if I did because of
the sense fear and shock and stress and
desire to get out of the situation,
maybe I would choose a stupid way of
trying to fight it out and we'll both
die eventually.
>> I want to ask you one question about
that. What happened is what happened.
But do you ever stop and realize that in
that tiny room with all these terrorists
flooding that little room there were
gunshots if I remember in the door?
>> Yeah.
>> In the how water earn in the kitchen
which means this was like a foot or two
from where you were. Do you realize what
a miracle it is that you're alive? So I
will tell you the real miracle because
the terrorist that came at least as it
seems at the beginning would have killed
us because they couldn't break the door
but they didn't have guns because if
they did they will shut the lock and
they left but after a minute or two they
came back immediately shut the lock and
got inside which means that probably
some ter armed terrorist joined them and
the terrorists that came at the
beginning weren't actually from any
organization They were like civilians.
And what happened in this room is that
the first terrorist who came was a
harmed terrorist from Islamic jihad.
Sappiril was in a covers in the covers.
So she couldn't see but I saw under the
bed
his boot and his got inside the room. He
found us very quickly as you said. It's
a very small room. He took us out from
the place we were. I immediately stood
up and put my hands up and trying to
started telling him in English because I
didn't knew Arabic at that moment that
we are civilians. Leave us alone that we
are innocents. He didn't care. He
started shouting things in Arabic and he
called a bunch of other terrorists that
were waiting outside. As I remember it,
another terrorist armed one came and a
bunch of terrorists that were with not
armed but with knives and things like
that came as well and they started
making mayhem in the room and you know
shouting and screaming and everything. I
understand that he's not going to leave
us alone. So at that point me and Sappi
weren't wearing much clothes because we
slept before. She was wearing a very
small pajama. There is a photo of her
actually very viral on a bike that there
is a girl on a bike holding her head and
there are terrorists in front and in the
back and she's in the field like
driving. It's her and I was very
concerned about being her being taken
this way or being seen this way. I
didn't know what they going to do to
her. I didn't want them to see her this
way. I started to tell them bring your
clothes. Bring your clothes in English
and they were shouting things in Arabic.
I would I will tell her I will tell them
bring your clothes. In the end, what
happened is that they throw a pair of
jeans at me, which is was mine. She
could not wear it. It's much bigger than
hers than her though. So, I put it on
and they told me, "Get on the ground
like tell me like with the with the gun
and with hand gestures." And so, I did
and I kept saying them, "Give her
clothes. Give her clothes." One of the
from behind, the one without the gun,
decided that it's taking too long. So,
he punched me in the face. In that
point, I understood that things are not
it's getting worse and worse. They're
losing patience. They're losing the
ability to understand what I'm saying.
They're it's not it's not going
anywhere. Yeah. They're getting
frustrated.
>> So, I got up and she was taken by the
tourist out of the room as she was and I
got out and was taken by other
terrorists. On the way out from the
room, like on the entrance, one of the
terrorists from behind decided to stab
me. He actually tried to kill me in the
end because when I when I got stabbed
first in the left shoulder from behind,
I didn't understand it a stab. It felt
like a very strong concentrated punch. I
felt like I didn't understand what is
going on. If I would be punched, I would
not turn around because I felt something
weird. I never felt this kind of pain
before. And I turn around and I see him
with a gun with like a face very like
angry and all under terrorist holding
his hand and trying to stop him from
killing me from stabbing me even more.
So for this reason I said before that if
those people will come at the beginning
we will be dead because they didn't want
to take us alive. They just wanted to
kill us. Even when I was walking I
already been taken. There is no danger
from me. He wanted to kill me because he
didn't want me to be taken alive. And I
remember that Sapir was separated from
me a little bit after we got out from
the room. She was taken a little bit to
the right as I remember by another group
of people and I was then my head was
taken down so I would not look around
and I was moved ahead around maybe 30 m
uh towards a motorcycle. Actually the
motorcycle was parked on the safe room
of and near the safe room of Simanto
family which is the family where they
just killed all of them. They killed the
mother, the father and the babies. They
were just 30 m from us.
I didn't understand what is going on. As
I said, I was in very complete shock and
panic and stress and I just thought how
I can get myself and Sappir out of the
situation. at least I can get some out
of it. I didn't want her to be taken
away. Of course, I didn't want to be
taken away as well, but I felt like a
sense of responsibility towards her as
well like I should protect her. And I
decided because I thought that there is
the only group of terrorists that in the
kibuts and we are the unlucky ones. At
least this is what I thought to shook
myself from this group and run the
opposite direction from where I saw they
took appear. I thought that by this way
I will give them an incentive to run
after me. she will maybe can get out of
this group and to go to the army which I
didn't know where it was but I thought
it's in the direction that she was taken
to at least a general direction but
immediately when I shook myself from
those terrorists and I started running
and lift my head up I saw that the
different case than what I felt at the
beginning I saw so many terrorists in
front of my eyes destroying porches
lighting things on fire trees um
everything and only in 50 m run
something like said before I got stopped
in front of my parents' house by two
other armed terrorists. This is what I
saw and I understood that the situation
is far worse than I thought. The group
that was holding me before and took me
towards the bike immediately when I
started running, they started shooting
at me. They didn't hit me because I was
running but they chased me and I was
stopped by those two armed terrorists
and they catch up to me. I turned around
towards them and I lift my hands again
and they just shout things in Arabic and
then they shoot me in both of my legs.
Fortunately, the bullet in the right leg
pierced only the flesh and the muscles.
So, it didn't it hurts but not as much
and I could still stand. But when the
bullet in the left leg hit me
immediately I felt a sharp very strong
pain and I fell to the ground because
the bone broke completely and my leg
bent. At that point I when I fell to the
ground they also hit me with the back of
the rifle in the back of my head and
opened it up. They tied my hands behind
my back after all of this. Although I
couldn't do anything. The pain was
enormous and also I was pretty numb
because all the hits that I got and they
told me like get up, get up and I tried
but I couldn't. I thought myself, I have
to get up. If I'm not going to get up in
this moment, I will die. But I couldn't.
And I said, I can't like in in English.
And they just pick me up and put me on a
motorcycle. And all of this is happening
in front of my parents' porch. And then
they put something on my head so I would
not see. But unfortunately, I could see
everything. And when I was driving
through the kibuts, because my parents
house was in the middle, I saw so many
houses of people that are now deceased
or not all of them, but a lot of them
are deceased being burned. I knew them
very well. They the people that I grew
up with like people that when I grew up
were in the kibuts. All of them are
older than me, but some of them are very
old. Some of them are like 50s.
Perches burning, houses burning,
terrorist running around destroying
everything.
When we got out of the kibuts on the
way, I told the terrorist like from the
back. He told me, "It's okay. You're
okay." I said, "No, just kill me and
that's it. I don't want to go through
that." I thought that I'm already dead.
I was so wounded. I thought they don't
want to take care of me. just going to
take a video of me posted I'm I'm alive
and just kill me because I didn't
thought they would have the will to deal
with me even a little bit. I remember
that. I told him, "Just leave. Just kill
me. Leave. Sappear. Let her go. Just
take me. I don't care. But let her go."
When we got to the border, which is not
far, like a 10-minute drive, even less.
>> You could see it from the back basically
from the back of your mind.
>> I would drive there with bikes a lot of
time. There was a lot of fields and
orange fields. And
>> I think people don't realize just how
close
>> you could literally see it across the
field.
>> Yeah. When I was a kid, I had a
telescope like a small one. It's not
very good. But I would look at Gaza from
Iiky Boots to see what is going on. I
couldn't see much and I didn't
understand what I'm saying. But
>> that's how close it is.
>> Yeah. Very close.
>> Wow.
>> 2.7 km. And near the border the bike
fell. And I don't remember seeing much
because I was in such a pain and I
couldn't really understand what is going
on. But I remember the voices of people
starting gathering around me and
shouting things in Arabic. And only
after I understood that there were a lot
of civilians celebrating and taking
pictures of being on the other side of
the border and everything and they
started gathering around me and they I I
started feeling kicks and punches and
everything. I didn't feel pain at that
moment. I felt so much pain anyway. It
wasn't like anything close to being
>> they weren't hurting you.
>> Yeah. They weren't hurting me as being
shot in the leg and you know it was a
different kind of pain. But I felt the
punches and everything. I said to
myself,
>> well this is the place I'm going to die
but at least I'm not in such a pain. So
I said, "Well, this is it." But actually
the terrorists themselves separated me
from this crowd and they needed to put
me in a vehicle. They drove me to Gaza.
At first they put me in house, mended my
leg. They they bandage all my wounds, my
head, my shoulder, and my right leg. and
the left leg. What they did is put two
sticks and wrap it around with a rope so
it wouldn't move so much. Then they
moved me from this place to another
place. In that place they gave me a sort
of IV h because I was so dehydrated and
I lost so much blood
and they
took out the sticks and exchange it with
a grill piece from the oven. There is a
grill thing, the grill net. They cut it
to shape and they bend it and wrap it
around my leg. And this is the way I was
for a week. And the problem with that is
first of all the bandage itself they
wrap it around with is elastic. So it
doesn't really holds the leg. So every
time I needed to go to the bathroom and
I will jump on one leg, my leg would
move. It will be very painful. The
second thing is that this grill thing
gets inside your flesh. So it's pressing
it and after being like that for day
after day it's get inside your flesh and
it's very painful but the pain wasn't
the problem although it's very hard to
sleep like that it's very hard to go
through day by day like that and I
didn't have any painkillers any nothing
the problem is that in a normal
situation when this this kind of thing
happened to even when you break your leg
you go to a hospital and then you you go
to your family someone taking care of
you helps you a little bit you
understand that you're in a situation
with people that not want to help you.
You understand that you need to minimize
as much as you can the way the the help
you're getting. You actually think about
how many times I will go to the
bathroom. I don't want to eat that much
because although they at the the
beginning at this first week I had three
meals a day. I would not eat much
because I didn't want to go to the
bathroom. I didn't want to to be a
burden and it's very hurts to sit on the
toilet when your leg is bending a little
bit and you need to and you didn't want
to go through that. you didn't you don't
want to drink so much because you don't
want to go to the bathroom and be a
burden because you cannot get up by
yourself. Your other leg is also hurts.
It's not as the the left leg, but it's
still being shot as well. And it's it
takes some time for the wound to heal so
you can jump on it. So, you need someone
to take to carry you. And it's it's
painful. But in a weird way, the pain
was an escape for me uh from sometimes
from the mental state that I needed to
deal with because I also understood that
from now I'm maybe not going to see my
family again, maybe not going to see my
loved ones again. And I knew that Sappir
was taken and I hope that she's still
alive, but I knew that my family is also
all killed or being taken. My
grandmother was in the kibuts. I knew
that for sure she would not be able to
hold the end all of the of the safe
room. So she will be taken and my
parents I didn't know what happened to
them but I really feared that they will
be killed and actually my father got
killed that day. I didn't have nobody to
share this with. I couldn't complain. I
couldn't I I showed sometimes weakness
because sometimes I cried but I tried
not to do it as much because every time
I did it I I felt that I
showing a way to be bugged and I didn't
want to had more hardships on myself. I
needed to depict myself as strong as I
could and it was very hard
>> and I couldn't understand what is going
on because I didn't know Arabic and all
of them talk in Arabic and you you don't
have a way of understanding what
happening. You don't know have a way to
have a connection. You don't have any
way of sharing your feelings or thoughts
and depression and despair. You along
with this with a group of people that is
guarding you is doing everything for you
is the ones that responsible for
everything that happening in your life
right now even death and they don't want
to do the good job
>> which is a very very hard situation.
Yeah, it's very it's a very hard
situation to be in.
>> Sasha, you're you're depicting a a
situation where I think everybody
watching this is wondering like
it didn't get better after that. meaning
the more loneliness and more being on
your own and more not knowing of when
and if this is ever going to end and not
knowing what happened to your family.
How did you find the courage, the faith,
the determination to be able to see this
through? What were some things that
helped you get to a place that you you
were able to handle this and come out?
>> Yeah. So I think that I had a very rough
start and it became harder and harder
and being alone in this very hard
scenario and very hard conditions
actually contribute a lot to this growth
and mental growth and spiritual growth
that helped me a lot because the
incentive at the beginning was trying to
find a way to ease myself a little bit
to find a way to escape from this
hardships in this physical war that I'm
experiencing and my mental struggle that
I needed to deal with and I needed to
grow my strength and I couldn't find a
way. I didn't know how to do it and I
tried every day after the first week I
was taken to a hospital and then was
brought to a new place and I started
learning Arabic there which I gathered a
way of communicating but also I learned
a little bit what happened in October 7
and everything like that. So, it was a
good important step towards making it
better, but it only was a way to make me
feel a little bit calmer, but it was far
away from making me cope with the
situation. And I thought what I can do,
what I can do, and during the days that
I were alone, I thought a lot about my
family, my girlfriend, a little bit
about my friends, what what I did in my
life and everything went away very fast.
And I never prayed before. I wasn't
subjected to any orthodox religious
content before in my life. Only in the
army I met people that are religious but
I never talked a lot about this subject.
A little bit but not so much. Of course
I didn't know how to pray. I didn't know
what is psalms is what is timma. I never
opened this book before. I never I never
seen it in other someone's house before.
I think this kind of not connected. But
I started thinking about them and I
started in a way kind of praying. I
found myself saying I should structure
it around. And I started praying and I
said to myself after a while, why why
are you praying? You don't believe in
God. You never believed in him. But in a
weird way, I I said I was very honest
with myself. I said, I have nothing to
lose. You know, sometimes in life, we
are not honest with ourselves because we
want to depict kind of a picture toward
other people. You're doing yourself a
calculation about what good you are
doing, what bad. And I was very honest
with myself. I said this is maybe my
last moments at least let me be honest
with myself I have nothing to lose I
don't need to show myself towards nobody
only towards the tourists that were
guarding me but I was alone for many
hours so I could just shift what I'm
depicting towards our side and I started
thinking and I said wow it's I don't
know why but it's very helpful I'm ging
a lot of calmness it always recalibrate
my compass when I sometimes frustrated
and everything I kind of escape from
this frustration And I value a little
bit more what I have by thinking about
them, by trying to hope and pray for
their safety, for their wellness and
being and everything and of course for
my own. But I felt it really helps me to
cope with that. And after a while I
started thinking about life itself and
what our purpose in this life because I
said to myself I thought about well I
used to think a lot about waking up
doing things for myself advancing work
how I'm going to what I'm going to eat
and go to sleep. It sounds like an
animal.
>> I described an animal in the end. And I
I'm not about work, but you know, I only
tried to accumulate more to myself. I
look at work as trying to accumulate
myself. I didn't look at it as trying to
do better for other people. And I felt
that all of this went away. It didn't
matter after what happened to me on
October 7, everything. And I saw my life
is ending. It didn't matter. And I told
myself no. I understood that the only
thing that really matters is how much
you affect and do for your close family
and friends but also towards other
people in general and how much you
pursue the things you find important in
life. And I think this is one of the
godliness we have in this world that
everyone is different which means
everybody have different purpose and
different appeals, different things you
want to change in this world, different
things you want to correct. And I
believe that if you are pursuing your
intuition towards it, you are fulfilling
your purpose.
>> And this is what was coming to you while
you were there.
>> A lot of reflection about life, about
what I experienced on my own for the 27
years I had before dealing with the fact
that I'm going to die. Not a lot of
people have a long period of time to be
alone before death.
>> A lot of people actually before death
starts to try and do things and be with
their family. I was forced before death
in a sense to be alone and reflect about
life and do things that will eventually
lead me to these understandings
>> and you were in a position where at any
moment that can come.
>> Yeah, I was accepting that actually
after Sapir and my mother and my
grandmother was released gave me a lot
because every time I wanted to complain
I I understood that I prayed so much for
their release for their return. So it
gave me a lot of strength to say okay I
got what I wanted but now you cannot
complain anymore. You are not going to
complain about anything. And every time
I had hardships and I had so many things
going through when I was there in the
captivity I told myself no you got what
you wanted you you wanted for them to
get out. Your life will be given to you
I hope but if not you cannot be angry
about it. It's not the way the words
works. Not everybody lived to 120. And
you need to try and say thank God you
had the opportunity to be more aware of
godliness in the world and be very happy
about what you did experience in 27
years to appreciate what you have and
the ability to have those was 70 days
hungry days I don't know
>> those days to really do something good
towards your family and for loved ones
because in the end I felt that maybe
because I prayed for them a little bit
and I really tried from my heart for my
soul to do something good for them. It
helped for their release and I said I
did something good in my life and this
one is marked for me. It's like
important and it's it's something that
goes on with me and it was amazing
thing.
>> Sasha, you come out of captivity 5
>> 498
>> 498 days of captivity to a world that
you might not have known prayed for you
every day. So many thousands of people
around the world did everything in their
power and around the world. What did
that mean to you knowing that while you
were going through this all you really
weren't alone in some sense because
there were thousands and thousands of
people who were with you? When I was
there I thought that went on with their
life. I started depicting what she's
doing in my head thinking maybe she got
returned to work maybe she's doing this
and that. After a while, I even thought
that she's not waiting for me anymore.
But if I thought about this for about
Sappiran, I didn't think that anybody in
the world would care so much about us,
the hostages, and will pray for us and
think about us daily. And I couldn't
imagine. And when I came out, I learned
about it in Israel and they told me, my
friends and family told me you, you
know, many people cared about you, you
know, how many people like know you
because they prayed for you, they
thought about you daily and I said, no.
And they told me, "You are famous now."
I said, "Wow, I don't know. I didn't I
don't care about being famous. I don't
want to be famous." But I cared about
people caring for me. I cared about
people praying for me, although they
didn't know me. And the more I got out
there and be interacting with people and
learned how deep they got, they learned
so much about me. They really knew who I
am. They so emotional when they meet me.
I said to myself, "Wow, I believe in
humanity." In a sense, what happened to
me in October 7 and everything that
followed made me a little bit be
frustrated with humanity. I said, "This
is humanity. This is what we have. Wars,
fights, killing, hatred. But when I came
out and saw the love, the free love that
I got from people that didn't know me,
it gave me this hope in humanity, even
more than I hoped for. And it gave me so
much strength to heal and so much desire
to go out there and spread the story to
make people more people aware about what
happened in October 7 and everything
that followed. But most importantly to
strengthen people in their own life
challenges and to make them more aware
of what they may do to improve their
situation and encourage them to connect
more to their soul. It's very important
people go to the gym. It's important go
to the gym but it's also important to
feed your soul, feed your internals like
it gives you more strength than you
believe. It gives you more value to life
than you believe. It gives you a
guidance and in the end everybody wants
purpose. Go and ask every person you
know what is matters in life. He will
tell you family and purpose because this
is what the things you need when you get
to your death time. You want to know
that you fulfill your purpose and you
try to do it at least.
>> I can tell you that in my family when we
were watching the video clips of you
being released in that process, we cried
tears of joy like I don't remember us
doing before and we were not the only
ones. What does that tell you about
Israel?
>> That it has a big family. It is a big
family. It's a family that shows his
strength in hard times and sometimes
when things are good, we do not see it
and we start to fight between each other
as family does and this is one of the
signs that we are family right nobody in
the family always goes along because we
feel that we can say whatever we want.
We feel free to express our opinions but
sometimes we also forget that we need to
love each other. Sometimes we forget
that we need to hear the other's opinion
and not be frustrated about this opinion
because maybe I can learn something from
him and he can learn something from me
>> and this brought that out in a really in
a really strong way.
>> Yeah.
>> Rab Lazar was in Israel for the wedding
of his own daughter. Tell me about the
time you met Rab Lazar right after being
released and putting on film with Rab
Lazar. So immediately when I came out I
think a day after he was in a wedding in
Israel and he came to see me and I came
I didn't know who he is. I saw a rabbi
and his wife and his kid and he gave me
such a big hug like he was so happy
about my release and of course his wife
was so emotional about it and his family
and everything and I didn't know this
this man but my mother told me he did so
much for you and everything and I was
immediately when you see him maybe
because I came out of captivity and I
was used to seeing so many new
terrorists every time I learned to pick
up a sense of who is who when I saw him
immediately I said wow this is a great
guy. This is a good person. This is a
great soul. Like I I saw it immediately
and I hugged him willingly although I
didn't know him and we did a pictures
and everything and of course he said
would you like to put Phil in? And I
don't know I I never put Phil in before
but with him it felt right. I said,
"Yeah, why not?" Of course. And we did
it. And I prayed. I really prayed at
this moment. I did my first
for my heart, you know, to get the other
out. I really hope that they will get
eventually be able to feel the same joy
and happiness that I had with their
families. And the ones who are deceased,
I wish that they will return home so we
can be buried and their families can
close a circle. At least every place to
mourn. I can say about my father that
being able to go to a grave and it's
hard at first when I saw his pictures
and everything, I always cried. It was
very hard for me to hold my feelings.
But it's good that you can feel that you
have a place that you know that he is
there and you can come
>> which I don't know if everybody watching
which wasn't the case right away.
>> Well I don't know I was in captivity but
it took some time to build it. Yeah.
>> Both to find him and to relocate him and
and all that.
>> Yeah.
>> Final question for you Sasha cuz I'm I'm
so emotional from just even your your
journey and I think you you touched on
is that it gives so many people
and whatever situation they're in to
know there is hope and that we are one
family. We might fight but we are one
family. Today people are watching this
on tab. Shabb is a day that we focus on
is because the beta mdash was destroyed
because of
having gone through what you've gone
through the ups the downs the connection
your mother's connection your connection
what message would you let Israel know
is important for them to take today so I
think we is need to be more connected to
its roots and tradition it's first we
need to be connected in order to
understand we are family and what
exactly a family you know even the 12
tribes wasn't getting along all the time
but they knew that they are family and
try together to do something with their
own strengths to collaborate and this is
the beauty of being different a little
bit but being able to collaborate
together to do something greater and
more beautiful and also from the
tradition and the heritage that we have
we can learn so many things about life
and becoming a better person at least
from within ourselves and and you spread
out more goodliness, more um care and
you are because you are healthier from
inside. you'll be able to heal other
people from inside as well and be more
patient and be more tolerant and be more
and be able to listen to other people
and not be always trying to prove your
points which is very important I think
in nowadays when everything is like out
there Instagram you are right you are
right no just listen to other people and
learn something from them come with this
kind of agenda and be more vulnerable
towards people be more out there try to
um connect to people around you. Try to
share love, free love. I got so much
free love and it helped me so much. You
didn't People don't understand how much
it helped me and my mother and my
girlfriend and my fiance and everybody.
And it helps so much. People don't
understand. It's not You don't need to
buy it. It's not a material thing, but
it's worth even more. So, I encourage
people to do that. And I hope that after
what we experienced in October 7 and
this horrifical events and the war that
was going on and so many people lost
their lives, soldiers, hostages,
civilians,
everything. We will take this time and
we'll tell ourselves we have enemies. We
always had and we always will and we as
family need to stick together. This is
our strength. The unity is not about
being all together the same. It's about
contributing each other with each own
strengths and overcome the disadvantages
of each one of us. So I hope that people
will connect more, learn more about
Judaism and tradition and become a
better person day by day.
Sasha, I just want to take this
opportunity to wish you mazalto. Wish
you both physically well, emotionally
well, and you should continue to fulfill
all your endeavors and continue to be an
inspiration to all of Israel.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
>> Kazak. cuz uh