Praying for Heavenly Assistance Shaarei Teshuva 1:43-45 with Rabbi Aaron Dovid Poston

[Music] back to the charitroof of heborah okay so this is the safer we're using you can go back i don't know what uh i think we're in like lesson 21 whatever it is i'll just tell you the paragraphs right we're still in char aleph we're in paragraph 43 which is very short so don't miss it 43 44 and bizrat hashem 45 they're chalk full of principles fundamental principles in judaism in understanding the bible and understanding the tanakh and um okay so here we go i'm gonna put the book back on the shelf i have photocopies in front of me and that's how i uh use that's that's my notes basically so for those that are familiar with that book and have that particular safer we're on page 103 again we're still doesn't matter what book you're using uh we're in char aleph 43 paragraph 43 number before we begin i do want to say that last um last week we were praying for uh rabbi torski who passed away very sad brook diane and that he went on to the next world no questions he is he's there man he was there while he was here right unbelievable um a mood you know a pillar of the jewish community for the last 90 years you know like ever since he was a youngster you know he was what a dynasty that he came from and he left over broke hashem thank many many people anyway we we had prayed for his reports happened to he passed away during the class okay so with the learning that we that we did we hope that helped his neshama i'm sure he didn't really need it but we also are constantly dedicating the shirin to the shalema of ravpinto his hebrew name is yoshiyahu yosef ben zakri okay so bazrat hashem through our learning tonight today wherever you are in the world whenever you're watching this we'll continue to assist his refusal amen now let's start with 43 so the idea here is praying praying for heavenly assistance i want to mention that in our own shemona esre in our silent prayer the repetition as well the fifth blessing is we're asking hashem to actually help us return shivenua right cause us to return our father to your torah the carvenum and bring us close our king to your service we want to serve hashem properly and bring his whole heart back wholeheartedly before you reign right blessed are you hashem who wrote sabbath who desires who wants we already know that's what he wants and we're asking for his assistance so that's a prayer it should mean something to you after after going through however many chapters already now in the 43rd chapter but you know what prayer is not enough yeah we have to do something there's actions and that's what this book that's what this book this chapter is referring to the prayer but it's not going to be enough but let's start with the prayer okay what we're going to be dealing with is that let's say for example we're going to get into these through the class how capable are we of making full restitution or complete change we have to apologize to people who said they're going to accept our apology who says that their feelings will be pacified there's no telling we can do what we have to do and then the rest like where is it right who's gonna help us so that's we're gonna get into this idea you have to do everything you can but who says that's enough so here it goes furthermore what what a bauchuva needs to do is to constantly imagine okay we pray three times a day but do you take your prayers with you after you finish praying like did it move you did it change you can you i'm asking a serious question you know what is meditation because that's really what prayer is so hopefully it's a it's a moment of time that we're in touch with a truer or higher reality and the goal is to take that moment seize the moment and take it into the rest of the day with us right as you go through your day you think about all those things you you actually spoke about that you prayed about that you asked about that you dreamed about that you aspired for through 24 or let's say because you're sleeping however many hours you sleep i have no idea but let's assume the average person sleeps you know seven eight nine hours i don't know it's eight hours so you still have another whatever it is 16 hours i mean is that right did i do my calculation correctly you have 16 waking hours i mean you know what are you going to do with them he says you have to constantly pray right it's not that's just he said that who said times are for the shimony astray but the more even says how have i that we should be praying all day long so that's just one idea now there is a note one must pray for hashem's assistance in fulfilling all the principles of juva because that without hashem's assistance one cannot overcome the yetzara just imagine what it says in the gemara in the talmud that hashem did he created the cure before he created any disease and that's true in every case even with am i allowed to say it you know even with the present circumstances okay so he created the torah before you even created the yates yeah hashem created the satan hashem created all those forces that work against i want to say him that work within us to give us the free choice right we have free will we have free choice that's the greatest gift that god gave us so that we can earn our own so that we can earn actually not just earn it but treasure it and feel that it has value because there was action on our part right to fight against our urges our inner urges okay so the yetzara without hashem's assistance it says nagamura if you don't have god's helping you you'll never overcome it now so what does that even mean he's there for you he's ready to help you but it's got to come the initiation the the is that the word i'm looking for to initiate to start to jump start to have the desire hashem will lead you exactly the way you want to go you want to go in the correct path he will lead you he will even make it easier for you right because that's your desire to go in that direction well guess what the same thing is true the other way which you know i don't want to talk about right if you really wanted to become a criminal uh evil person hashem will lead you that way too so hashem will lead you in the way you want to go the the verse we're going to deal with in jeremiah you're me yahoo 31 17 so it's only the last few words that we're going to focus on but i'll read the whole verse i have indeed heard of fry him complaining saying you have chastised me and i was chastised as an ungoded calf now these are the words he wants us to overhear oh lead me back and i will return for you capital y o u are the lord my god we're requesting hashem lead us back bring us back and then i will return hashem because you are the lord my god i'll tell you the truth this is as far as chapter 43 goes but it's fundamental so what did we learn so far in this chapter this short i think it's the shortest chapter we've read so far just a few lines that's why we're going to cover three chapters today because i'm not going to say 42 doesn't count that we could talk a lot and we are going to talk about um 43 a lot more as we go along because it's really a foundation for the next two as well so he just mentions in the footnote about the prayer we just read in the shimon ashrae that this is let's just say that's the just start there right you have to have the desire now 44. the next three segments we're only going to deal with two of them are also a grouping so hashisha assert the 16th principle sorry so basically in order to fix something that is not straight to fix something that is already bent basically the idea here is rectifying a wrong to the the most possible extent that it can be rectified we discussed this idea before if you had a piece of wood and for many years was just bent right it was leaning against the wall it was bent how are you going to straighten it out it doesn't matter how many times you just try to straighten out it's not going to work it actually has to be bent in the other direction for x amount of period of time whether you need heat whether you need moisture i don't know but eventually it will go to the center but just by trying to straighten it normally it's not going to work it must be bent in the there's effort there has to be friction okay there has to be some effort so this is the idea k indian mr whatever extent we could do it we should and like it says by nineveh by the people of i don't know where it is modern day iraq maybe on the border of turkey wherever ninja is yonah chapter 3 verse 10. now we're going to read chapter 3 verse 10 but then we're going to go back to chapter the same chapter but verse 8 two verses earlier he put it in this order for a reason i don't know why i would have put it in sync would he call it um in chronological order but okay here's his reasons that to rectify the wrong that one did is a critical component component of chuva what happened in vain chapter 3 verse 10 the yar elo kim at maasaim god saw their actions that they returned that they actually transformed they did they changed their behavior from their evil way he used the word shavu means repented they actually repented how do we know look back two verses earlier at the very end of verse eight i'll just read the whole verse but we'll focus in on the last few words and they shall cover themselves with sackcloth that's obviously to um motivate them to do juva maybe it's even part of juventu both man and beast and they shall call mightily to god so crying out in prayer maybe confession and everyone shall repent that's the words of his evil way and the dishonest gain which is in their hands this is implying let's say if there was stealing involved right theft that means to return the objects that you stole this is part of the trooper process so what we're going to discuss now is the idea of there's we already said there's harata right in the beginning right you have this regret what about confession right that's also necessary and the third basically was conviction never to do it again but what about the part of returning or changing the action where where does that take place he's going to explain this is important to take place before the confession remember the confessions to hashem now before we read that i just want to go through another um just a what's the word a little bit of a summary so what we're going to address is before asking for forgiveness you still have to address the actual damage that that had been done and this safer here i mentioned is a fantastic book this is written by rabbi asher baruch webb bright you can buy this online i think amazon whatever feldheym and he teaches in our bait midrash baroque hashem and he wrote a fantastic book and i'm going to quote a few things from it before we get into this chapter so let's say you right when you were working in the king's palace and you dirty the king's palace so before you ask the king for forgiveness wouldn't it make sense that you clean the palace before you ask him for forgiveness makes a lot of sense so when it comes to transgressions there's going to be two types right between man and god there's nothing really to clean up in other words when it comes to what you did to hashem hashem is not a human being that feels hurt or damaged you didn't affect him there's no real true affecting god right there's nothing there's nothing lacking nevertheless there's a certain thing we have to do and what about when it comes to transgressions between man and man that obviously people have emotions anguish or whatever and they are affected by our actions in a real way so he sums up in these two different paragraphs look when it comes between man and god there's nothing we can actually do to repair the damage there's no damage but we have to experience this sincere regret and have our own serious anguish over our misdeeds now what about when it comes to man against man so we must repair the situation as much as possible and now we're going to talk about nothing what happens when it's impossible maybe i should give an example okay there's a halacha that if i stole i just i'm using myself an example let's not use that somebody stole mr a stole something from mr b okay so he should return exactly what he stole right fine what about if it's money there's no such thing as the exact money right it's the exact amount but you don't have to replace the exact dollars they're going to be used right that's what they're used for to be okay so that that that's understood you just have to replace the value and in case it was let's say eaten right it's consumables or was broken you're right i have to replace the value what if about what if i stole iron and used it for beams in my house and it's like the it's the major beam that's holding up my whole house and now i do chew them right wouldn't it mean that i have to take the beam out of my house i have to destroy my whole house just to return the beam so there you don't have to meaning you have to return the value you don't have to take your house apart to return the beam and the reason why hashem knows the rabbis knew because if you were required to take your house down to return that exact beam you'd probably not do truva at all right you're saying no way no way no how i'm not going to do it it's too much it's whether it's the anguish or the the financial loss whatever it is it's just not going to happen so isn't that amazing okay but what does it mean it means that the halacha is you don't have to return the exact beam you just have to go out and buy him another beam of equal value or give him the money that's fine but what he's going to suggest is that one should anyway even though it's not the letter of the law the letter of the law does not require you to go and replace the exact beam nevertheless it seems from he's saying if you want to do true properly right this whole idea of not having to take your house down and return the exact beam is to allow people to do true because if we said you had to return the exact beam many people wouldn't do chuva here you're already in the process of doing doing truly you already want to do the right thing so it wouldn't make sense go ahead and okay do it whatever you could to replace the exact beam and give it back then it's obviously not required but what about la shanhara here's another example and there's a great story and i i was thinking about reading it i'm not very good at reading these stories but you'll get the idea it's told in many different names i heard the name of the website about some some other rabbi but a certain person who is known to be a yenta a yenta is you all know what a yenta is agent is a baalonhara someone who goes around he tells stories about people and everyone knows if you want to know what's happening go and ask him what's happening about the certain neighbor well apparently something did happen in the town small little town and word got out and the rabbi says uh-huh we want to we want to we want to stop this you know this these rumors let's go and speak to mr a and we'll find out what's going on and uh you know he should stop talking about anyway bottom line is the guy wants to do truva right he says yeah it was me whatever i started rumors once you tell one person they telling other people and on and on so at least he says go bring a pillow so he brings a pillow he says now go up to the mountain rip it apart and the guy's thinking to himself wow that's easy i'm going to do trooper for all my lush and horror i'm going to go to the top of this mountain i'm going to do exactly what the rabbi says i'm going to rip this pillow apart and let all the the feathers it's a feather pillow let them all that's just pretty simple so he goes down he bites his other pillow he goes up to the mountain and he says rabbi i'm finished i did my true it now the rabbi says now you have to go back and collect every feather are you kidding me that's impossible he says that's what you did now you have to realize the severity of your sin just helping him understand the severity of the sin you spoke in her once you open your mouth and let it go it's gone you can't retract it it's very difficult it's almost impossible but just understand the severity of course if you know people you spoke bad about you have to apologize to them rectify the anguish on their part but so we need to ask hashem for help even if it's of course against him but how much more so against other people that we really do chuva you can go to someone and say even three times let's say the guy says no i'm not accepting your apology okay there's certain cases where you have to go more than once and if the person doesn't accept it what are you gonna do you need to beg hashem that he opens the person's heart that he forgives you okay so there is a certain aspect of realizing on your own there's only a certain amount you can do and hashem is there for you okay so we will get into david melech i'm sorry yeah not yet not yet not yet that's the fifth 45th chapter so we're in 44. here we go so we just mentioned in yonah chapter 3 verse 10 we did verse 8 the last part and what basically happened god saw their deeds that they had repented from their evil means and evil way and they took whatever necessary steps it was to rectify because as the verse says at the end of the passage they they already returned from their evil way from the ill-gotten property that was in their hands okay that was necessary step before uh before the last step before god um saw that they repented that was part of the process so examples things that take place between man and this fellow like thievery or seizing property by force right the the full atonement for the sin is not really going to take place you're not going to be forgiven until you use you return the stolen items the hate seek love so too if you caused pain or any type of anguish to another human being a hillbane pawn off or you caused his face to go white as hilva means you embarrass somebody you caused him to die a thousand deaths of embarrassment oh see for a love lash and hara or if god forbid again you spoke lush and hard about him you're not going to find atonement until you make the effort to request and try to appease him you want forgiveness from him and receive it so too in bubba come in 92a then it's brought down there are five types you know the whole concept of insurance is in the bible you're aware of this right that if god forbid you cause somebody physical pain you have to pay him insurance right this is what ensures all that you have to pay him the the um you have to rectify by paying him for the pain he experienced and physical pain we're talking about emotional pain as well uh unemployment benefits right if he's out of his doctor bills right there's actually five things so what's nesic the actual damages that's for any physical damage and pain suffering healing doctor bills unemployment unemployment he's out of a job until he heals and humiliation okay so keep this in mind that you want to do truva you you will have to just like buy theft so too by other misties as well and we have a verse in genesis chapter 20 verse seven by avi melech you know avi melek took sarah okay avraham was obviously quite upset nevertheless listen to the verse it's 20 verse 7 in genesis the author is so so now return god's telling you right so now return the man's wife for he is a prophet but this is the latter part of the verse he will pray for you and you will live what would make avraham pray obviously an apology right some kind of rectification for the anguish to be called caused avraham so i know it doesn't say it but this is implied in the verse i'll read the comment because i think it's quite necessary hashem said this to avi malek king of the philistines who had taken avram's wife tsar the the passage states in verse 16 that when avi malek returned sarah he gave avraham money he gave him a thousand silver pieces as what is called eye covering but it really means to compensate for sarah's humiliation nevertheless hashem told him that he also needed avraham's prayer in order to live so what would that help let's say you know the person you just hurt needs to pray for you what are you gonna do you're gonna you're gonna compensate again and say hey here's a i don't know lollipop right here's here's something a new car right that is he needed to receive a full personal forgiveness from avraham to the extent that abram would actually pray on his behalf this is like appeasement even the word appeasement is a beautiful word in hebrew right the pious is lottery it's used for lottery but the the where did it begin and then i'm just off like go on we have a ramp by the way it's parshas mishpati right we're in now you're supposed to have in the last week's partial the very last few words the last few lines are you need to have a ramp that goes up to the altar and then you have either spotty fine so basically that's the end of partial system so one of the ideas where was i going with this one second the word appeasement so unfortunately in our history we had a certain period of time where there was a cohen who was killed by accident what happened was the trumas of the decision the the ashes that were left from the night before it's a very dirty job who wants to clean the ashes from the barbecue pit but guess what whoever whichever coin would clean those ashes would become a millionaire would be guaranteed income for the rest of his life so there was a lot of pushing and shoving you can imagine what a what a school what a great merit to so they had all the young guys were chasing after this opportunity and unfortunately as they were running up the ramp maybe one of them was pushed off and tragically died so the rabbi said at the time we're talking about the sages that's probably the first temple i'm not sure it was the first or second temple but what happened they decided there would be a lottery a pious that's the word to appease right interesting and it really means peace peace to bring peace to situation because it ended tragically we didn't want to happen again and so they made these sticks you take you know in your hand and everyone picks a stick and i guess it's the short stick or the long stick whatever stick is different than everyone else's stick he's the one who would merit so just the word pious is from the word appeasing which is really to bring peace right so that's what you wanna that's what you wanna do okay we are if i'm not mistaken we just talked about what it mentioned in genesis chapter 20 verse 7 that avi melis had to pray for and had had to try to appease avraham so that avraham would pray for him okay so i just want to go through another let's just say i have a few comments [Applause] here no okay so let's go to 45 this is going to be the real meat and potatoes of the class this is the longest chapter that we're going to deal with tonight today this morning as i said wherever you are okay forty-five the royal about the shoe of allah came he's stressing here that before you even do um the confession the best thing is to do the rectification the appeasement or whatever it is you need to do and this is in order to appease your fellow and in order to receive his forgiveness even before saying the confession right because it's not about you're not we don't confess to people we confess to hashem so when you're finally going to come and speak to hashem there should already be quite a lot of the rectification already done this is on your part right our job is not yet complete you think it's so easy just to confess to hashem before you get there and we're gonna learn such tremendous story lesson from a story about david malik and regarding king david peace be upon him at the time of his repentance and this is in chapter 51 of psalms cain also called the mavido he made the efforts before he confessed to hashem look at psalms chapter 51 verse 6. he says to you alone did i sin now for those who aren't aware of king david's sin it's not as x-rated as you may have thought king david never slept with a married woman in fact he didn't even sleep with bachchan until after everything was said and done he inquired of her he found out she was a married woman it's true he asked he commanded he's the king for oreo urya to come back from the front line and anybody who does not obey the king is we call in hebrew of mesa he is to be put to death it's a death penalty this man was very patriotic he says listen they need me on the front lines or they need me at the front so king david should have put him to death himself through the sanhedrin he had the right as the king anybody who's marred by mahrus anyone who goes against the king and he sent him further into the front lines and there he died so king david didn't kill him it wasn't murder but he caused that he should die through the non-jews the enemy as opposed to the rightful sanhedrin that should have put this person to death so he didn't sin against bashar he didn't sin against urya he sinned against god it says to you alone that i sin clears mud the vadasi and the evil in your eyes did i do okay we're going to focus on this word le man a little bit later but keep this in mind in mind now le man what does the mean in order that in order to what's said in order that your words should be charitable right it will be terrible when you speak and meritorious and merit in your judgment now we don't know where he's going with this yet but he's going to say perush what does this verse mean the first part of the verse you alone did i sin means like this to you alone i'm considered a sinner truth is if any one of what if any one of us would have done what king david did we would not even be considered a sinner only on somewhere on the highest level would rightly like moses what do you think he was punished because he hit the rock instead of speaking to rock we're not going to go there right now but just keep this in mind the big um i'm sorry uh ruthane you think rooving slept with his father's wife that's not what happened okay but anyway i am considered a sinner only to you lost and i only need your forgiveness i don't need to go to another human being for forgiveness that's not what happened because if i would have sinned to another human being if i if the sin i did involved another human being another i would have already asked him and i would have appeased him so this is what king did is david is saying if it was this is this is how it's done and i surely would have done that but it i didn't i didn't sit against another human being i don't need to do this but if i would have that's what i would have done therefore it's against you alone that i sinned that i sinned what does that mean means like you alone i'm considered a sinner only to you god i'm a sinner the gomur actually tells us if you think david sins with bachelor you're making a great mistake but he did sin he even said i sinned the question is what was that sin so he says kamohu it's similar to the so to genesis chapter 4 verse 32. okay so yehuda is in a very precarious situation right he wanted bin yaman to come down he put his life as a guarantor um you know yaakov was not happy about this uh situation of having uh joseph uh i'm sorry joseph was already gone so he didn't know jose was alive or not but he didn't want to leave his losers beloved his beloved okay so yehuda put his life down basically as collateral right and he says in chapter 44 32 for your servant assumed responsibility for the boy from my father saying if i do not bring him to you if i don't bring him back i will have sinned against my father forever it doesn't mean he's a continual sinner but as if he would be looked at as a sinner in in his father's eyes so that's the comparison over there um but we have read right then i will sin to my father for all time which doesn't mean that but rather i will be considered a sinner by my father for all time meaning that he would not forgive me as long as he lives he'll continuously look at me as a sinner and the targum explains basically the same the same thing now roberto yon offers another interpretation of king david's words okay this is the author of our book right robino rivera when it says to you alone i sinned oh yeah pirusho the alternative explanation i never sinned against another man to you alone i sinned i never sinned against another human being lo had tarty devry devray olav i never even oppressed another man with words i never spoke la shanhara i never used my words to degrade anybody i never took anything from another human being and i never um stole any property that i needed forgiveness for vain and therefore my atonement it depends on nothing other than your forgiveness that's it because i did everything in my power whatever i could do to do truth i did and of course it includes prayer it includes with thee and confession everything beyond the letter of the law as well i'll just read his words thus my atonement depends on nothing other than your forgiveness of my sin against you in any event it's clear that when david recited vedoi when he actually confessed about his sin against hashem he was not guilty of any sin against a fellow either because he had already appeased anyone he had aggrieved or because he never grieved anyone this is the proper way to approach vidui when you're finally going to come to hashem have under your belt already have already accomplished whatever it is that you need to do rabbina yonah proceeds to explain the second half of the verse le man remember i mentioned the word so going back to this would be psalms 51 6 when it says so that you will be charitable when you speak and meritorious when you judge what is this referring to he says like this kid this is crazy what he's about to say but we have precedence right there's nothing new under the sun if king david did it maybe he was the first but we actually do have precedence in order to show the people he wanted to teach am israel called the goddess how great and mighty hashem's forgiveness is i sinned against you he's saying in order to show the nations the world your charity your kindness basically and the great extents of your forgiveness to the great extent great extent of your forgiveness on the day that you speak and judge when you judge me okay i'm going to show you the precedence what was he doing he wanted the world to know there's such a thing as truva listen he wasn't the first even his predecessor yehudah yehudah he says i i she's more righteous than me he publicly right and not only did yohuda do that but somewhere in between in history we have um what was the case i wanted to bring i have here a note um oh yeah the one who collected wood in the desert okay this was none other than salathod his daughters came and said we want a piece of the land right a piece of the action in there it's real we don't have someone to inherit from he's already gone but he died for his own sin he was not part of the rebellion of korach but the talmud the the medrish the free the straw all kinds of commentaries comments are made about it and that we all know that there's a death penalty there is a death penalty for violating shabbat it was clear clear in the torah but which death penalty you know that if you give a warning to somebody and it's not the right warning right you say to somebody you're going to get stoned and really it's strangulation or it's lashes or whatever it is that's called not a warning the warning has to be do you know what you're doing this is the punishment and if you do it this is what you're going to get and the person goes ahead and does it anyway okay so if you're given the wrong wrong warning so this person apparently as i'm going to show you knew that it was too vague it was too ambiguous nobody knew the exact details because it didn't happen yet so he was like a corbin he almost he did a sin for the sake of heaven can you imagine he put his life on the line so that everyone would keep shabbos properly in the desert i'll read the uh the idea here so who was this guy and what was his sin rabbi kiva mentions it was god and what was his sin so we're not even sure it was plucking or heaping or carrying four qubits within a public domain okay what was his intentions we call it a sin the shame shamayim a straightforward reading suggests that his wood cutting was an act of rebellion against shabbat you read it and that's what you think but some hidrasham including the target myonitan insists that the makoshish acted the shame shamayim for the sake of heaven in snowball self-sacrifice to show the jewish people that shabbat must be observed and of course what punishment what proper punishment and what exactly what the sin was okay so this so there's a precedence king david won now did he really want to in the beginning or after the fact he realized wow so i sinned i'm going to do trigger and i'm going to make this lesson valuable to the jewish people i think i think it's the latter i don't think it means that he intended from the very beginning in order to do this like the mikoshi did and i don't think you did either but let's read on and we'll see how the the rebel young explains it so david uses the expression right on the mon in order what is in order what does that mean in order remember he said to you alone did i sin so that i'm just translating in order but really so that you will be charitable meaning in order to show the nations your charity believe god because of the greatness of the sin he committed is what causes the greatness of hashem's charity toward him to be revealed when he forgives him and yeah we're going to talk about an example another example in history shortly but al-qaeda so there's a um an analogy towards this idea this is this is what david wants to portray as if the sin as if because it wasn't really as if the sin were originally committed by him in order that hashem's kindness and charity should be revealed when he forgives the sin on his day of judgment okay let me just read comment number seven so it's obvi obviously david did not commit the sin with the lost the intention of creating an opportunity for hashem to forgive him and thus to bring out hashem's kindness but once he sinned that kindness would be revealed by hashem forgiving david that's what happened and since it is so david portrays it as if he sinned in order to reveal that kindness example the revelation of hashem's kindness is ultimately a positive outcome of the sin so in that sense it can be called purpose in other words le man is for the purpose of in order that right that's what dovan meant now that it happened i will use whatever it is that i i you know that's what a sin is a mistake and i will use it for the benefit of mankind and let mankind know how kind hashem is and now the example is in hosts hoshaya hosea chapter 8 verse 4 right these people used um they're gold or silver the people the north israel ephraim whatever you want to call up nor the the house of israel up north and um you know it was destroyed so what was destroyed these idols were made of gold and silver but it was really the golden silver that was destroyed what you know they had a lot of wealth and they used it wrongly so their wealth was destroyed which was a good thing so let's look at it with let's help let's look at the verse it says over there they set up a king but not for me right god is saying they removed and i did not know with their silver and their gold they made for themselves idols in order the same word le mans that it should be cut off in order that what should be cut off the gold and silver okay let's see how the roberta yon explains this so a similar usage in that verse we just read the verse from their silver and gold they made for themselves idols so that le mans it would be eliminated now did they actually attend in is that their initial intent that their silver and gold should be eliminated no not necessarily but rather see but since the sin of making idols is what ultimately caused their silver and gold to be eliminated himself so the prophet portrays the matter as if they are as if they originally made those idols in order that the silver and gold would be eliminated here too this is the lesson david's sin would ultimately cause hashem's charity to be revealed and his and by his forgiving him david portrays it as if he sinned in order for his god's charity to be revealed now just keep in mind this was david's way of begging hashem for forgiveness this is all part of and actually is going to be what we're going to talk about next week in paragraph 46. let's just finish 45 and then we'll take questions and have some discussions and so he continues this idea when it says lamont stock right in order to show your charity through your words that you uh will you know be meritorious in your judgment so oh yeah perusal another explanation an alternative explanation as follows so remember david said against you alone that i sin and that which is evil in your eyes did i do la manza therefore this tit stock you god would be justified should you speak about the subject meaning like this therefore you would be justified should you speak about the subject of judging me and imposing compensation or punishment on me okay i want to read number ten according to this interpretation the word la ma'an does not mean so that but rather therefore as tits doc would rather mean not charitable but justifiable and therefore david says my sin is severe and therefore you would be justified in judging me and meritorious in punishing me should you choose to do so but of course hashem didn't the the same interpretation can be given for the other verse that we use in in hoshia hosea for their silver from their silver and gold they made themselves idols le mans so that it would be eliminated again don't read it as so that but rather justified right lemon it means therefore it will be eliminated because they made idols from their silver and gold it will be eliminated okay so that is the the the text that we're dealing with i think we went through all the different sources i just want to see if i had any comments that i might have skipped i think i covered it all okay so what we do now we take questions and answers online i'm going to turn the camera off and before we do that before we do so we'll see you all next week again if anybody wants to join us on live online so that you can have this discussion afterwards you can in the description box below there is a whatsapp number send us a message we'll send you all the information and in the meantime have a great life we'll see you next week [Music] is