They Look Fun. They're Deadly. | The Truth About Electric Scooters with Baruch Guttman

All right, welcome to this. >> I I'm very like I had the roughest week, >> but I feel like I do this for Cloud and for myself because I enjoy Yeah. since the start and uh so I'm just saying that I'm like so exhausted. But >> you know, somebody called me from Yeshiva. They told me that they put on the podcast by launch at night. They listen to it on a speaker >> and then so it makes me think okay like what do I do and you do >> I'm saying all of this because I want to lead into the fact that you're you are amazing at what you do. You took something >> and you you started something amazing that is potentially saving a lot of lives. We'll go into the conversation for feel free to comment in the last message of the hotline or the in the YouTube comments. I always say if there's enough messages we'll come back and make a paren but today I'm sitting here with Gman. We actually met on pum and now that everybody is talking about the scooter situation. And I saw a new video that went out today from I think it's Rafua Health about the scooters also addressing. So more and more people were seeing the ads in the papers, seeing ads from everybody's putting it out. Everybody's talking about it. Influencers are talking about it that scooters how dangerous it is. I saw the video from Yonas taking the scooter, putting it into the dumpster and making Yeah. And making everybody that's giving up a scooter a heater a hero. [clears throat] Making everybody that's giving up a scooter a hero. And so to me I I call this the podcast of the people because here I'm doing every week an episode based oil average mention celebrity of the podcast and uh a hero I guess and you're a hero. You did something amazing. So get us into the let's start from where you're now. What are you doing about this whole scooter situation? Why are you and scooters one? >> Of course. So before we get there, you you gave me all the reasons why I'm not the hero. So I mean I didn't do this by myself. You know, I don't believe I started this. Some people may say I mean it's flattering, but there's so many people that are involved. There's so many people that gave up a lot of time. I honestly I'm just here to help continue the conversation to drive some conversation and you know try to promote educate you know and not force things down people's thro throat but to to create a conversation about it I obviously feel very passionate about about this issue and I have opinions but you know those things as we speak to people those things change you know you adapt you learn you listen um yeah so that's generally uh you know what it's about >> is it's Amazing. Is this scooter dangerous? >> So again, I don't think there's anyone that thinks this is safe. >> Mhm. >> Right. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about this. >> I know. I've done an electric scooter. It felt a lot of fun. >> So, >> what's the unsafetiness? N cut and dry. What's the I'm not I'm asking cuz I'm I'm I'm 28 years old. I don't like I'm not in the age of scooters. I don't have a kid yet with scooter, right? So, what's the give me the the Okay. Give me the dry. What's the >> Okay, so obviously the first thing is speed kills, right? So do you know how fast that scooter can go? >> No. How fast >> exactly? So many scooters can go average ones you see on the street can go 20 to 30 and they can even be manipulated >> to go even faster. And then the heavy duty ones can go even faster. >> So you're saying it hits one bump and you're flipped over. >> Exactly. So, one little one little pebble on the floor, one little crack on the sidewalk, a bottle, you know, it's a wet in the street from one second to the next. >> It's not approved by the government. What do you mean? How can you Everybody can drive around. They're picking up the other bikes that was around city. >> It's funny you say that. There's actually people don't that most of the scooters that are on the street are not street legal. Um, given the fact that the speed that it goes, they're not they're not. And the way that it's being driven is also not street legal, >> by the way. Sorry for I didn't think I'm going to say this, but I I literally have a cousin, shout out to you, without a name, that I think was really hurt by a scooter. Yeah, I literally have a scooter, a cousin that went through hell because of a scooter. My his was upset and whatever. I don't think he's driving a scooter anymore, though. So, I'm It's coming full full circle because now I'm And it wasn't good. >> Yeah. >> So, you're right. You're right. It's dangerous. I'm on your side. [laughter] >> That's it. We're done. >> No, it is. But you're right. And especially in Bur Park where there's no there's not one street that's smooth. There's no such a thing. Sidewalks, st roads. >> It's not a bar park issue. It's not a Winsburg issue. It's not a Kale issue. It's not a United States issue. It's it's this is an issue throughout the world. >> Um people can you can go do do your own research and you'll see that this is a question that all communities are having. People are having it in our community a lot now. First of all, >> we're all together. We're we're one community. We we feel bad for someone else's. Um but also, you know, it's it became very popular very very quickly. No, if you know if you would have said, you know, five years ago, this is what's gonna happen, I don't think anyone would have done it, right? Everyone would look back and say, hold on, let's let's take a chill, >> it became very paper way too quick. And at this point, it became like everyone has it. And how do you get rid of it? >> And do you get rid of it? Is it okay to say to get rid of it? >> Right? >> Who whose responsibility is it? The parents, the the yeshivas. bungle counties are getting involved like it's from all angles and there is no real one-size fit all answer and it's a collaborative effort and and that's what I tried doing that's the message that I tried spreading >> um yes in the beginning we came out full force a ban we have to you know we're not going to let the no scooter left behind >> right >> it's all thing but obviously this you know creates takes an entire community and we we can get all you know into more detail we we can have you know more conversation but That's generally, you know, what this is about, hearing everyone out. >> Now, you have a background in safety, right? So, you do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. Um, I come from the construction real estate field. That's where I come from. Um, my day is split 5050. >> Um, I'm an owners rep, so I I represent developers >> um on construction projects and development. Okay. And I also have a paper consulting company where I, you know, I help businesses and construction individuals, you know, other industries as well. Um, you know, get licensing and certifications and stuff like that, >> right? >> Um, but I I was always very passionate about safety. I was, you know, it's something that I I always felt was was important, you know, the construction industry. Um, and yeah, it's something that, you know, you go through all this training when you see these issues on the sites and it's something that sticks with you and right and it's something that I've always advocated for and >> right and that leads us to the sponsor of this episode that I'm super grateful for, Sierra Safety. Now, a lot of people here might know or not know, I was in construction for about almost four years >> and I was actually a super. >> Oh, wow. and I had to work together with a fire safety, a fire super and a sight super. We had everything. It was 123 Lyndon. 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So okay so now let's go to the to the other side of things when it comes to the scooters. A lot of people are saying I spoke to the guy today. I don't want to say his name. He always has strong opinions. So I don't I don't think that his but he says I don't get this. You're throwing away scooters. Why he's throwing away scooters? You're you're wasting money. You're driving kids crazy. You're taking away their little toy that they have. It's 2026. It's a world of AI. Suck up to it. They're saying basically just acknowledge this is what it is. Oh, if you have an issue with the scooters, make a safety pathway for it. Don't have cars driving at 35 in London. They said it's 10 miles per hour. Have the cars drive slow. If you want, get them helmets. What do you say to all these claims? >> So, there all the claims are valid and they should all be addressed. Okay. >> Um there's obviously both two sides to the story. To address the first one um that you said about kids and about being against it's not anti-scooters. No one here is coming to say where it's against scooters. We're here to promote safety. We're here to promote people walking on the streets and our grandmothers and grandfathers should be able to walk on the sidewalks. We're talking about, you know, people shouldn't cause damage. The fact is right now it's a nuisance. >> That is a fact. I think people will all agree that um that that it it's an issue. >> Yeah. >> No, no one's saying it's not an issue. So, how do we address it? So, when it comes to kids, no one's here to tell the kids, you know, oh, you can't be on uh you can't have technology inside, it's not go outside. The second they go outside, oh, now you can't have school. We're not telling people what to do. It's we're here to promote and I think every parent wants their kids, they should go outside and come back safe. You know, they should come to show them alive. Um, and you know, you can say that, hey, but when they go on a bicycle, they could also hurt themselves. So I'm not I'm not the one that has to tell you. I mean, you can go, you know, you mentioned that through a video and they're saying that right now the medical industry this is the highest priority. you walk into any ER, speak to any ER doctors, you know, do any little bit of research, that will tell you that this is one of the biggest concerns and the the dangers that come out of it is extreme from the speed, from the from the fact whether you're wearing a helmet, all these things are, you know, are not necessarily the way to prevent it. Um, and even this even the helmets themselves, if if you read up, if you go on the on the AAA's website, they had, you know, they have an education guide which literally just came out, I think less than a month ago. Okay. You would think that after many many years of all this talk you would think that there would someone would come out create a safety program create education there isn't such a thing even even the AAA's u manual everyone's entitled we could put a link in the thing doesn't teach you how to ride it tells you safe it tells you some safety tips you know how to make hand signals I when you make a hand signal you're taking your hand off the handlebar and it says you should always have two hands I think >> and with two hands is it safer. >> All these things I the example that I would give is let's say if you were to you want to learn how to ski, you want to learn how to go mountain biking, you want to learn how to at go atving, you're going to know the basics, right? If you went on an ATV today, you maybe you had experience, maybe you don't, but an average person goes on ATV for the first time without any training, he's flipping. >> Mhm. >> He goes on a jet ski without anything, he'll flip. Correct. >> But we're giving scooters to kids >> that are 12 years old, 13 years old. Here, just go enjoy. Do the parents know how fast it goes? Do the parents know what these things are capable of? Do they know the dangers? No, because Yonko has. >> So, okay. So, which training is it safer? Is it more legit? Is it normal? You're saying >> I think I think obviously we're here by a pool, right? So, >> there's things here to make it safe. There's a fence, >> right? >> There things, but these are givens today. >> We're not holding at a point where >> the scooter safety issue >> right now >> is addressed enough where people have enough education to know how to ride it. I think even adults. >> Yeah. If I were to go on the scooter, I also don't know what will happen, >> right? I mean, [laughter] >> no way. Sorry. No. Reminds me of my friend's father who tried out for the first time the segue heistas. The one >> how many videos are online? >> An older guy. And they mentioned and for six weeks he was in a cast. You're right. You can't be an idiot. I mean, Jean Masha, you can't uh clearly this is making enough noise that for me when I see a scooter, I'm going to be very careful when I get onto it or for my brother that I see on it or so. Yeah. >> So, and then this is all before talking about sidewalks, people driving on sidewalks, people driving heavy speeds, >> right? >> This is all before that. forget the legality, the the responsibility a parent has from a legal perspective. Um, you know, there's there's so much. I mean, you can go on and on and on. Um, but I think we we should also address, you know, like like you like going to back what to you said, um, you know, was, you know, all these things taking it away, you know, the idea of don't tell me what to do like like you said, but you know, go fly a kite. Mhm. >> Um, and I think they're all valid and I think they should, like I said, they have to be addressed. Um, and you know, parents have to have enough information to be able to make their own decision. And I think that's what we're we're trying to do. I think Bashem, you know, who would have dreamt that I think about we're like two months into this heavy >> campaign, >> quoteunquote campaign, which is not even a campaign. Not a single dollar was spent. >> Okay, people don't believe me. Not a single dollar in marketing w I'm not talking about KC oil and and Williamsburg they have a general safety complaint. What what you see in in the media no one's driving it. No one's no one's forcing anyone. This is all people that are very passionate and kudos to all of them. All the people that are posting all the you know the websites the social media. Yes we you know I'm try I'm I'm trying and others are also trying to help you know influence and provide some content and provide some narrative. Um but you know this this is this is all the community itself. Um and you know we created this plat this quoteunquote platform. Okay you know we didn't even have there was no campaign like name some guy said oh make a sticker quickly you know. So he said two months in people are still having this conversation and every day I'm like okay how am I going to tap yesterday >> you know. So Ellie Ellie whatever called >> Yeah. Yeah. Ah yeah. So now we have a voice of tens of thousands of people um can hear this. Um I want to go back to the problem for a minute because I wanted to get into all the juicy parts first, but let's address again the problem. What is the problem at the core? What's the problem? Well, you have to name it. Somebody asked, they have no idea what's going on. They're like, what's the scooter thing for for those listening until now don't still still don't get it. >> The the issue is it's a safety thing. um if you go on the street >> no meaning what's happening yeah what's happening physically right now in our communities that we have to raise this not everybody is on status they're not looking at the news >> so I encourage anyone that walks on the street to just pay attention to the people that are driving around >> okay the first thing you'll notice and this is not the main issue but the first thing you'll notice is young adults and children riding with without helmets which we can address I don't think that's really the main point but it just visually gives you that like whoa they don't really care they don't care about themselves that's their problem and we care about them else but >> that's really for them. Then they have they're taking rides with with you know with with you know their siblings their friends they're giving rides two kids on a on a on a scooter. >> Ah so one kid is holding on to the handle the other kid is holding them from the back like zero. It's not a motorcycle. >> It's not a motorcycle. Okay. [laughter] And most of these times they don't even care about their own safety which is which is which is interesting. Okay. And they're speeding >> Mhm. weaving in and out of cars or on a sidewalk where people are with pedestrians, right? Scoo uh people with strollers, babies, kids, you know, you would think that's a place where people should be safe. Um and that's the issue and more and more you're seeing all these incidents, accidents. Um Hatsula has given out um you know, many different organizations have given out their own statistic. Um but a lot of them are very very similar. Um you know, 50 in the last month, 50 in the last two months. um tens and tens of them being transported. >> Um >> so what so Oh, so that's I don't want to get into very scary. We tried to stay positive, >> but what are some of the injuries? What are like the most common injury? Is it on a sidewalk? Is it on the street? And what actually happened? >> So what woke up Kil was there was one kid that had had a had he had a brain injury. >> Okay. So tell me the story. I >> I don't down a block and >> and he hit his head. And no car involved. No, >> I don't recall. There was so many stories. I don't recall exactly the details. If I recall, if I don't believe >> he just, >> if I remember correctly, there was nothing involved. >> So, he was just on the road or on >> maybe on the sidewalk. I don't remember. I think on the sidewalk, nothing happened. He hit something and he fell and hit his head. >> Uh-huh. Okay. So, and from this alone, he had brain >> permanent damage or you don't know. Hopefully, whatever. But anyway, it got to the point where they where it where it injured his brain, which is the most serious injury a person can get, >> right? >> Um, so they said, "Okay, >> they said >> this is not this is not a toy. How can you give kids? >> It's not a toy. >> It's like as as if imagine one day to another, knives are now a toy for babies of one year." Everybody would say you're crazy, >> right? >> Okay. >> Rabbi Bender said it's like giving a kid a gun. >> I mean, mamish. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Okay. So, that happened to Kirio. What happens in B park? Is it also >> bar? So bar part there's a lot a lot of these stories um we have to think this doesn't mean that it's okay but we have to think that that there was no like you know it seems like all the people that are involved are going to be okay >> but that you know it's not there are very scary stories and again like you said it's we're not here to scare anyone. >> Yeah. But there are very very very scary stories and like Rebelli Stfansky said he said in Shia >> he said it's not a question of it of it's a question of how and when >> someone's going to get into an incident. >> Mhm. So, so it it it is a and and it has to be addressed and in the short term, right? That's where the whole idea of, you know, yeshiva is telling people to stop. In the short term, you need a solution. You can't just continue let this on otherwise it's going to get continue to get worse and worse and worse, >> right? >> So, some people have to step up and and speak out and say that this is we don't accept it as a community. >> Where is the step up? Is it to the parents? Is it to the children? Is it to the yeshivas or all of the above? If you ask if you ask um the community organizations, they're going to say we can't tell people what to do. And they they're right. They're not wrong. It's valid valid point. >> But again, they've put out statements. I mean, they've all put out >> and kudos to Sham for retracting the registration. You know, we uh was that was a big thing. >> Oh, they said they're not registering >> first. They said they're going to they register scooters. >> Okay. >> And I understand also why, >> right? because they have community service and they want to be able to find if somebody >> if someone gets stolen but on the other hand >> expensive these things >> but on the other hand you're also >> encouraging >> encourage you're endorsing it basically >> like come register your gun or whatever like >> yeah that's a totally different topic >> yeah whatever [laughter] >> this is this is politics you know >> I you know I help I help helped advocates for that too and you know in the past >> you think we should have guns >> I think every person should uh have the has have the right You don't have to, you know, you have the right. You should have the ability. You should be trained. You should know how to use it >> and you should never have to use it. Doesn't mean you have to go be a fanatic. Doesn't mean you have to, you know, carry it every day. >> I maybe I'm a machinery, but I I don't I don't want to have a gun personally. >> Yeah. But what happens when they take away that respons that you're not allowed to have one from one to the next? So that maybe maybe I feel good that I know that if I want I could have but I feel like having it around and not knowing who can find it. Um >> you know how many people have had a gun and they took their own life like it's >> it's a very that's >> it's a very charted territory especially when you're comparing it to to scooters. >> No because then it comes into the whole convers different conversations politics and and these type of things. Um but it happens to be there there's yaju um there there's people that feel strongly on one side people that feel strongly on the other side and I think people should you know at least know that you can have it >> you should know that it's it's an important fact that you should know that you should remember what our history was you should remember what our rights we we now we remember what our how positive our rights are but if you look back you know not too long ago your rights were taken away and the fact that you have a right to do something, you should exercise every right you have and uh that's where I'll leave it. >> Yeah. Wow. Oh, it's it's interesting to talk about all topics of safety. I mean people are like oh safety okay people start dieting and I agree health is a huge thing you know and Yonison keeps on talking about it um because health is at the core of everything of every almost every illness or or problem or whatever. So safety is a big thing. We I think we all want to be safe and by nature a person wants to play it safe. Clalis rule is very safe. That's why we live condensed in the major cities and alto together so that if if god forbid something happens >> and that's why we have our own shamavatula because >> it's safe it's it's it's safety anxiety like like health anxiety whatever we have a lot of these kind of uh zah but safety is a is an important I mean it's I'm saying it's normal for us to feel unsafe like you said when we have a history has a history That's that's what we go by, right? It's it's there. So you obviously so the title gives you guidelines about how to deal with this and this is I think you know you know I was in touch with um you know this >> okay >> and and they very strongly you know support it this whole this whole council they have a strong and they write over there they cite from uh that it's it's ofus >> why >> not to be not to be safe not to do things and do things that are obvious is uh is to an extent is is the point of apocass. >> Okay. So I'm just curious this question before we move uh on is a kid driving on a track or in Central Park with a helmet with both his hands on the thing is at a with a scooter that goes 10 or 15 miles per hour. Is that considered safe or that's also a hazard and whatever? Unsafe. >> So I'll answer it with in a different way. Okay, there are rules. Right now the rules are what the law is. >> Okay. >> So you're going to say who is a politician to tell me what to do? That's that whole the same people that that are, you know, are saying go fly a kite also tell tell you that that part. But rules, there's a reason why there's rules is is driven by science. It's driven by data. That's why they make these rules. And as a society, if we don't have rules, so it's a free-for-all. You could just do whatever you want. >> You know, I could come in here with a can do whatever I want. So, we have rules and we have to we have to file them. Um just like you have, you can't speed. People understand why you can't pass a red light st because why not? Free choice. I want to pass. Why you telling me when I should stop by the red light? Who are you? They that people understand. So, so the rules are in New York State. Let's just talk about that. I know we're in New Jersey. New Jersey has different rules and different laws. >> But in New in New York State, >> a scooter cannot have a capacity of going more than 20 m an hour. >> A scooter cannot have a capa cannot exceed more than 15. Meaning the scooter can't have the be able to go 20 miles an hour, but you you have to drive it five miles below the speed limit. >> Okay. >> You not only drive it on sidewalks, I think you're think of a park is also is not not allowed. >> You have to be 16 years or older. M >> and and then obviously helmets. >> Okay. >> So that takes away >> that alone shows you a little bit. It gives you perspective. >> Correct. And it takes away if you look on the street, it takes away a very overwhelming majority of the people that are using scooters. >> Mhm. Right. Wow. So now, so I guess when it comes to purchasing the scooter, there is no, it's not like a car where they make you go through a process and a system and age and whatever. Correct. this. You just go on to Amazon, >> you buy it, and you order it. >> There's no training, there's no permits, there's no tests, there's no license. Go I encourage everyone to go on YouTube or wherever you're watching this video and try to find >> educational videos. And I tried I tried looking to be able to spread. There is no there's guys explaining how to with 50 mph bikes how to how to, you know, drive professionally. Dame, go find a video teaching a kid how to ride. They won't find >> Wow. Okay. If the the milliondoll question, we didn't even address it yet, is how long ago did you start this? What are your efforts? Okay, we heard all the opinions and the danger and who's responsible and and everything re around scooter, but when did you get into this? How did it escalate? A lot of people that told me to discuss this topic um told me also that you're like the leader. you're leading this behind thescenes campaign and you mentioned you're in you're in talks with Sarabun you're you're an EMT yourself like you you you you're into safety and medical and you want the people safety so when did you start this campaign when did you see it starting to escalate what are the steps that you took if you can give me a rundown of the things that you've done to till this point till today >> sure so um it started I think like six years ago when I started voicing my opinion >> um I tried to advocate not like whatever I could you know if I see things that need to I've been involved in different advocacy efforts over the years I'm a regular guy what happened six years ago >> um six years ago what exactly happened I was driving >> okay >> I saw these scooters you know deliveries bikers people just I nearly hit one >> yeah Um, again, I wasn't distracted, nothing. I'm driving on the street. Um, one guy hit me and I was like very, um, it hit me. That was like a light bulb moment. Like, if no one's talking about this, nobody cares >> at that point. This was before any of the organizations said anything. >> And I was posting on my status, talking about it. >> And at that time, I was a minority. People thought I was crazy. >> Mhm. good friends of mine that are in the medical field, like you said, also didn't completely understand where I was coming from, >> you know, and and but I continued. >> How did they see it? Did they see it as just a toy? Like it's a bike >> because it wasn't as popular. >> Why is a bike safer, by the way? >> It goes slower. >> Okay. >> Um I think there's more electric. It's more It not electric. It goes much slower. there's more education and the the risk of injury is if statistically is less. >> Why? >> It just is. I mean most kids that come off a bike if they wearing a helmet because it's also slower. >> Mhm. >> Us that that saves them most most of the time. >> You're in control of the bike. You're using your body for the bike. >> It's larger wheels. I think you have more control. >> Um there's a lot of >> It's just a flying machine. >> It's a sh 50 m. Boom. You hit a [laughter] you hit a pebble and you're toast. >> Uhhuh. Angry Birds. >> Wow. Okay. So, you were posting on status. >> I posting on status and fast forward. People used to send me videos. I send it. I was the scooter guy. I don't know. >> Your friends at least knew >> at least knew those. Yeah. >> Um and then fast forward there was some campaigns happening. Um there was a renewed attention to the story. Um and again I was I started again. Um and I felt like at that time the messaging was a little laxed. It was like and and kudos Hatula gets a lot of credit but Barakula came out with a campaign and that gave me like a fire but deep down I was like this is not enough. >> It was a graphic. It was everything like something doesn't add up and I started talking about it more and I and I I started and I was posting at different places and I was getting the responses that I was getting. I was like, "Wait a second. I'm not such a man anymore." And I was reading and I was interacting with people and and I was hearing all the different sides and I'm like, "There's enough of a voice over here that if we just come out strong things." So in the beginning we we we used you know me at least I you know different language you know like banning noise this you know we tried to really drive the the attention um and it and it just took off. I I I would I would reach out I I made it like a goal, you know, to reach out to different influencers, different, you know, different people, you know, to try to get their opinion, to try to start conversation and try to, you know, give them some material >> and and it just picked up. It's just like and I still today I'm shocked. I'm really shocked again. I It's >> I'm taking it I mean it seriously. I Someone told me I heard a story from someone in LA. He heard Bar Gutman. There's another bar gutman in that lives in Hollywood that posts also on his status. I'm not the only guy. >> Wow. >> So, you know, it's not I can't say that I it's not me. I I am I am involved and I am helping and I am pushing but it's not it's not it's not just me. It's everyone the people watching it, the people posting, the people posting on their on their Bungle County chats. Who would imagine a Bunga County chat? >> So, what so where are the efforts right now? I hear the history. Where where we stand right now? Is it banned? Is it legal? Do you feel like your voice was heard and that the people's voice were heard? Meaning, is it less now? Do you feel better where we are? >> Listen, we may have won the battle that it's out there. >> The war, it's not a war against scooters, but just use that, you know, the thing. The war against scooter is not over. >> Why? Because parents are still going to buy it. Kids are still going to get it. >> We're right there. We're m we have to keep pushing it. But we're we're right there that there's still a lot of parents that just don't know how to tell their kid no. Every kid in my class has a school. Why should I be different? >> PE parents need that, you know, that put, you know, need that help. >> Are they not seeing the ads from Atula, the videos from Atula discouraging people about this? >> So I I had conversations with with people around me and they know they say I don't know what to do. I said, "You really don't know what to do." Yes, there are parents and and and and I I feel I understand them. I really do. Let's think in their shoes. You know, there's not a parenting thing, but >> you know, you can go and look look it up yourself. >> How do they tell that they bought it for them? >> They bought the scooter for their son or the scooter there. Their son took their $500 from Kaneka Gel and bought a scooter. He has it for three years. >> Yeah. Maybe he fell. Maybe he didn't tell his parents. Maybe his parents don't know how fast the scooter goes. Wait for one day to the next. Take it away. So you have to have this education. You have to explain. You have to teach and you have to still talk about it. And and some parents say why should me tell the why should I tell my son? You should do it. And yeshiva say why is my responsibility? You're educating your kid. I'm a if you're in your I'm not the >> Mhm. >> So So no, it's not over. Definitely not. >> I think they really have to go old school. No scooter for you. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] >> That definitely works. But that definitely works. But sometimes, you know, it it could also backfire, which is which I understand people that say that it canire, >> right? So, Numushul and Kir, are you allowed to drive a scooter? Now, you mentioned that's a controlled place. They they have >> Kir is an animal for itself. I think we all know that, right? It's the way the community, the government, it's it's it's round that town is round different. And when they make a decision, it's over, >> right? So, did they make a decision against it and it's over? >> So, is your favorite? Okay. So basically said this is this is done. >> This is done. There's no such a thing. We >> it's going to take time to implement but it's basically done. Yeah. >> Uhhuh. And who implements a Dan Hoola the the Kahila? How does do you know the V? I don't know how they did together. >> Uhhuh. As a community they said I'm sorry it's not >> they ran a full-blown thing from all from all angles but coordinated but you can't replicate that anywhere. >> Yeah. I'm just thinking you said it's an animal for itself as a compliment. Just want people >> No. Yeah. I mean like it's a coordinated effort and they you can't replicate >> they're powerful. They're very powerful >> I went to but I I'm not sure. I think they used to have they're very popular into the bikes that you sit on the floor and you have bikes. >> No. >> That's why they had the floor bikes. The three the three-wheel bikes it's called. By the way, is a regular scooter by any means dangerous? We almost forgot that >> there is there is >> I mean I'm asking you because not that you're like the scooter expert but you've you I always say you you hear the opinions you you did the thousands of hours of research >> is a regular scooter >> first of all I would just want to say my opinion with a regular scooter is that if you have to walk or use a scooter walk cuz I recently used the scooter and I had back pain. It was a lot harder for me to scooter, but that's just me cuz Zach, but okay, as a regular scooter, um yeah, >> look, so the the what I was the campaign, the the narrative that I was is really ebikes and e- scooters, um >> I felt like the more you push you do you dilute the message, but I spoke to let's say Dun Rabun and they say, "Why are you stoping by scooters? Take away the e." >> Mhm. So I said because the attention is there and people understand that and it takes away the focus. I think people have to understand this is a safety campaign generally. The focus is on e- scooters and ebikes but it's a safety campaign. >> Um and yeah people have to be safe. People have to do things responsibly and yes that includes bikes, that includes pools, includes cars, includes people walking on the street, includes everything, >> right? >> Where where can I find the most dangerous What's the most dangerous escooter you know of? >> There are so many. Um, I didn't research every manel because I'm not buying one, but there are there are scooters that go 40 50 mph. >> 40 50 m. And where what what's it meant for? What's it built for? >> It became a sport. >> It's really like people they have scooters, a scooter collection. They or they go together, a gang of scooters. >> Yeah. They enjoy it. It's It's Why did it become so popular? >> Why? >> It's not very expensive. >> Correct. 500 motorcycle compared to a moped. It's very cheap. >> Okay. Okay. Um, there's no regulation, no licensing, no nothing. So, anyone that can't drive a car for whatever reason >> gets a scooter. >> Today, I saw someone >> driving a scooter. I was on the way here to the thing. >> I don't want to say what I saw, but you could use your own imagination. He was not capable of probably walking on the street himself, and he was on a scooter. >> Wow. Mhm. So, you're saying a lot of people, they're using this as a means of transportation, literally. And it took off like like a firestorm. >> Yeah. >> And it it came so fast that these big the mail clinic and all these people that would make all this data can't can't even produce it so fast. It took off way faster than the >> I feel like electric scooters are around for 10 15 years for sure already. No. >> But not like this. >> Uhhuh. Because it gets cheaper and cheaper. Electronics get cheaper. >> This you probably remember when when when the ES scooter What was the biggest issue with the ES scooter? They said it was the biggest issue. Look at me that it catches fire. >> Mhm. >> Remember they made laws. It can't be in buildings. It created fires. >> Oh, okay. >> That was the hype then. >> Yeah. >> 10 whatever it was 10 years ago, 8 years ago. And you know that. >> So yeah, it's a relatively new thing. It's not uh >> Wow. >> It's very interesting. >> I there's I think it's very very important to address. Um we we touched the of the parents, right? um they should everyone should do their own research. which I think you have enough information already here. Um the yeshivas I still think you know I still encourage you know I don't know courage but you know every yeshiva should do whatever they should ask their own d I I still personally believe that in the in short interm we need a pause we need a reset um and then there's also you know which I don't think we touched enough is which people always bring up is you know when it comes to you Don't tell me what to do. Right? So, I think people understand for themselves there certain safety things. We addressed it a little bit. Let's say red light, a seat belt. You know, you're not going to give your kid a motorcycle. So, there everyone has to have these conversations. And I think with the education aspect of it, which I think we're very very far behind, which I don't know if we can catch a pass. I think when you bring everything together and you think about it from all angles and the yeshiva pushes on one side, the parents push on the other side, the education kids see what happens to their friends, eventually something will come out of it then and hopefully we can uh put this all to bed, >> right? Wow. Um I have a few interesting safety questions for you in general since you're the guy for safety and we're approaching >> someone asked me who who decided you're the safety commissioner. I'm not >> Yeah, you could you could be safety commissioner. I I you know, >> you know what I'm saying? You never know. You're helping Clai through. >> Um, do you There's a There was a topic Indian. There was a topic of you spoke about guns a minute ago, but about having a gun by every sh. Do you think I'm just curious from one random guy to another, do you think that that's important to have uh Do you have a gun license? Seems like you do. >> Whatever. I have Okay. Um I think when it comes to security, everyone has to be secure. Um having a shield has its own set of challenges. There's legal challenges >> about carrying in a shield. >> Um there's also the safety aspect of kadashm which is very very important people >> to make sure not to drink if you're carrying. Okay. >> But yeah, >> I mean I know I have a friend that doesn't carry when he goes to he likes to drink and he never carries. But Stamzo on a week that he's not going to drink or he does carry. Okay. But do you think it's important to have in our shoes? I mean >> I think I think everyone a gun is a is a a proactive thing when you but the time you call the cops the story already happened. >> A a gun is something is reactive. So yes I mean I think it there is a form of there definitely is many that that say that. Um and I think people I think the fact that how became so popular in our community just proves that you know that it's important >> right >> I mean way Jersey City um Jersey City the Kanek attack I mean that's when people re really woke up and then then it was obviously October 7 and then >> Montreal this week >> Montreal yeah it's it's >> crazy few people died >> yeah Australia >> yeah um >> even if even in 770. You know, today it's a guy with a car, tomorrow it's someone else. But it's it's >> we got to be safe. Um the topic of E6 because I feel like this intertwines. I wish I would have an EIG expert, but >> no, because you were Yeah, because you were saying >> Ellie Stansky. >> Yeah, Ellie also addresses community topics. So yeah, he knows >> Reb Elli uh, you know, he's changed a lot of people's lives, you know, in terms of everything all aspect of his life, but yeah, he did address it. He dressed the the vapes. >> Um, and yeah, it's and he's helping a lot of people together and you know, they're all, you know, it's it's Yeah, it's >> the Jewish kids stores, uh, toy stores, they don't sell these scooters, I'm assuming. So, Yiannis said put out he stopped. >> Wow. >> To him. A lot a lot of uh shooting, a lot of losses he said he'll have. >> Um but uh yeah. >> Wow. >> I mean e it people say okay why' you stop scooters evaping it never ends. >> It's true but you got you know we gota we got to focus. Health is a big topic today. >> Yeah. If we save one life I think and we probably did it's already important. But what the topic of E6 because now you were saying that the number one issue that all doctors are talking about now is the scooters a year ago was EIGs the vapes and whatever. So what's the how does that >> I I I guess they they look they come to the ER and they see that you know there you know there's so many the doctors are saying like you know was I don't even know which hospital there was a lady doctor was saying you know they have a code for you know heart attacks and this strokes says today when they see a e scooter like it's almost like a like I don't know if in reality it's a whole like they see think oh they got to run it's it's a serious emergency. >> Oh wow. >> So I guess I guess that's what's driving it. >> They see the out of the hospitalizations. They see the amount of serious injuries and that's what's driving the >> Mhm. >> And the vapes, why wasn't that such a big campaign? I'm trying to think. I think it's more dangerous because it's a lot smaller. Everybody has it in the pocket. >> It became an addiction. So if you go doing it all day, >> it is an issue. It >> I think it's because and he spoke about it again. Uh Stfansky, >> he you know that from one day to the next people you all of a sudden he didn't wake up. But it's harder to address and identify. I think like a scooter you can see you see someone driving then you see someone on the floor then you see him bleeding he's in the ambulance show them vape. It's not that dramatic. >> There was somebody that vaped and didn't wake up. >> He said and she that a smoker and he the next morning he didn't wake up. >> Oh, so you're saying it's harder to connect. >> Very rare. Do you see you know how he died from >> from longer. >> Oh, vape is a longer effect. Yeah. Yeah. It can take years till you get to the dangerous part over here. It's on your streets and it's happening daily. They had like in one day in two hours three different accidents. So, by the way, but that was also I think it was also they were also making a campaign now about crossing. >> So, crossing is a big is the thing you you look look around. I mean I think we're all guilty of it to an extent. um that you know that you walk on the street and you walk between cars, you don't you don't you walk against the light. Drivers are all distract not all but a lot drivers are now more distracted. >> People are distracted. I got hit by a car walking across the street in FL came boom hit me. >> Wow. >> I was not doing nothing wrong cuz my light everything I went flying 10 15 feet. >> Really? Yeah. Wow. >> So all these things are important. >> What what they're doing in Williamsburg is very good. I mean it's >> what are they doing in Williamsburg? >> They have a whole campaign to they're saying why it used to be when we were kids on the gas. How come you don't hear that anymore? >> I don't know. I guess that people are embarrassed to ask why. >> I don't know. So they like why? It became a normal thing. The kids walk on the streets people. >> Yeah. Everyone you'd be deathly afraid to walk on the street. Yeah. Oh, so what happened now that people are crossing? Right. It's a good question. >> Is there an answer? I don't think there is. >> I think there's an answer. By the way, if I have to think of an answer is like you said, people are distracted. >> Yeah. >> They're busy. No judgment, but they they just don't get to it. They just don't think. They're like, "Yeah, just go out in the grocery, watch how you cross, >> right?" >> Instead of, you know, >> people on the street itself are also very distracted. >> Correct. So, it's a lot harder to ask somebody to cross you if they're on a phone or >> Yeah. He sees his father on his phone all day. His father is ignoring him. I should when I see him on the street, some random stranger, I should ask him. I can't I can't get my father's attention when he's on a phone. I should get some random stranger, >> right? Wow. Very nice. Okay. So much uh we learned so much today. >> I hope so. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for the opportunity. >> And uh yeah, how long are we sitting here already? It's an hour. >> Wow. >> Wow. a closing statement. >> Yeah. Yeah. What is there anything else that you want to say? You know that you thought of saying >> I ask one question. >> Yeah. >> What's your average kid that's listening? >> Okay. Yeah, >> let me let me say his question just so the mic the producer MK is asking that we have a lot of kids listening to this that's why the podcast is PG 12 13 year olds I know they're listening young bkaram young girls and they they are scooter users we we didn't even address these people they are scooter by the way it's funny because we have a lot of kids. We have a hotline. We have kids listening to this. What do we tell them? Like, okay, so Pak the scooter and what's where do I get the thrill? Why? Why? Like, okay, I I want to risk it. It's fine. Yeah, I understand that four kids got injured or 10 kids got injured and one seriously. Okay, fine. Things happen with every sport. Why do I Where is my outlet? >> So, where where your outlet is um is I think a community. You can't There's no one fit all answer, >> right? It depends who's listening, right? So, one guy's going to play keyboard and then, you know, someone's going to say, "Play something else." Um, but what they should know and and I think if they think about it to themselves, they may they may need an adult to explain it to them, but I think they can understand themselves that they know good and well that their parents don't know what this is capable of. Did you know that a scooter can be limited? Just like you can lock your phone, most scooters you can lock the >> speed. >> Lock the speed. >> Why would Why would any kid tell it to a parent? Why would the parent even know? >> So, I think that they know good and well that what it's capable of. And I think they know good and well the dangers that it has. How many near misses the kid gets up where they get into an accident, they just drive away. Hidden runs. Think about it. Kids are doing committing hidden runs come out on a daily basis. >> Mhm. >> So, I think the kids themselves know how bad it is. Um I just think they it's just not being addressed. It's just not being talked about. And to address the fact, um what could they do? Um they could, you know, obviously it's also a scuffle thing, but on a on a safety perspective, they can do whatever they want as long as they're doing it safe. And the reason why we got here is because it's not being done safe. So I think we have to, you know, if scooters are not eradicated from the world, which probably it won't happen, right? it's going to come back in a safer form and if if it's done in a safe way and I think we have to just learn from that I think anything we have to do we just can't do it to an extreme right you can go dance by just don't don't throw 40t up in the air >> just don't what's had a video go viral about me saying I'm think do things normal we have to be normal and we have to do things the way the normal world does it. >> Yeah. I would talk to my followers and I would say be careful. It's your life. Be careful. It's not worth it. It's not worth to be even that one in a million. You know, [snorts] it's funny because um it's okay to do thrills. You don't have to be scared of every moment of life. >> You shouldn't. >> But amensils aren't safe. Unfortunately, we you hear these targadas and accidents and this >> majority of them could have been prevented, you know. >> Exactly. You don't have to do the crazy I just saw on the news somebody died from jump bungee jump. You don't have to bungee jump protocols. >> Yes. You don't have to don't go in a lake when nobody is there. Don't go to the beach when nobody's there. >> I used to like to go swimming alone. And I remember once asking somebody and I was like, >> I'm an adult. Do I think I have to have somebody watch me go swimming? >> And they said yes. >> Why? Because things can happen. You jump and you hit your head. You jump, you lose cons, whatever it is. >> Especially in an ocean. >> So especially in an ocean, but even in a pool. So don't do stupid things. It's >> you're enjoying the thrill, then I then you're not the guy. It's irrelevant even this conversation. But for people, especially the summer is coming now. Don't do stupid things. It's not It's not worth it. Don't play with fire. Don't play with the weapon. Don't play with sharp things. Try to be because that's where my anxious side comes in. I like to be safe. I like to >> It doesn't mean that everything is us. It just means that when things get out of control, unfortunately, you have to pull pull back >> 100%. It's rather to live without a scooter than not to live with a scooter. >> The convenience. I mean, obviously [laughter] it's true. Now your podcast like everyone else with the quotes. >> Yeah. >> All right. We're good. >> Listen, if you have a friend that has a scooter and Yeah. You had a closing statement that you want to say? Anything else you want? >> Yeah. I I think the closing statement is what I've learned from this is that don't be afraid to voice your opinion. >> Yeah. and and don't be afraid. And you say, "How could I change the world?" I'm not going to say I did. I'm I'm not not trying to say that. But how could it make small small impacts can make a difference? And the people that are are talking about it and continuing the conversation and they're doing it because they care. Those are the people that are are are getting the credit. And it's not even only about this. It's about in general when you if you if you see something, you know, say something, right? That's the old old saying. And and if you do that and and you know we don't keep our eyes closed simply because everyone has and we're not afraid and then you know you know we'll only uh see positivity. >> Positivity exactly. Um thank you so much Burak really really empowerful and thank you everybody for listening and and joining this uh episode. Should I do the raffle now? Is it live? Can do the raffle live cuz I started basic comment of the podcast automatically goes into a raffle of a $50 quick pay. We've been doing this for like a half a year already >> and it encourages people. I'm think I'm just going to choose again. Mah just a random >> a swipe. >> Yeah, a swipe mak. That's that's what the big YouTubers do. >> Mam. Okay. Producer is M. >> So the last episode it was a solo podcast. 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