Pirkei Avos 3:19 - The Saga and Reincarnations of Rabban Gamliel, Rebbe Yehoshua

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning and good afternoon rabbi sai this week's pirkei gimmo we have a very interesting mishna para gimmo the simple understanding of the mishnah is that if you don't have torah you don't even know what derek harris is people people think that um you know i'm a nice guy i have good manners i have good etiquette not all manners is correct not all manners is allowed that all matters people say yeah i'm a well-mannered guy i'm going to hold the door open for a woman you're allowed to do that the gemara says you can't you can't walk behind a woman so what you're going to hold the door open for a woman and you're going to walk behind her you now do that so it's very nice that you have uh derek hearth but you don't have darakarats because that's not called darakarats a main torah and there are carrots so you have to know what derek hearts is you have to know how to do it maybe you could hold it open but you can't follow her into the door what if it's my own wife consult the shukha narak don't uh don't make up your own halachas so if you don't have torah don't well you know i once read somewhere where did you read it exactly in a newspaper so it's a main toy right in their heads if you don't have torah knowledge that is not permitted oh you're now to walk behind a woman you know how to follow a woman you know how to walk behind her you might gaze at her inappropriately gaze at her inappropriately so you can follow directly behind her if you ask i'll give you an answer okay but i'm approaching her on the opposite side too you've got the same issue what are you doing i'm here the share is not about holding the doors open for a while if you want to know you could i'll be happy to answer you amen there are karats in torah if there's no if you don't have proper manners and etiquette then your torah doesn't have value so you need both you can't have one without the other a main era if there's no wisdom there's no fear which means like this people say he's an er guy he's a he's a from a guy he doesn't know anything he's an ammar it's gamor so he has zira shamayim yeah but he doesn't know what to observe so without wisdom there's no era in the main era if there's no euro shamayim then there's no wisdom either because he's not going to keep it what's the difference between bina and das very simply bina to understand one thing from another dialectical debate and that is the the knowledge itself so if a person does not know how to analyze something and compare then even the facts that he knows will be very flimsy so if he doesn't have vina then he doesn't even know the basic tenets and the basic fats on the other hand obviously if a person doesn't have the das and a person doesn't know the facts then aimbina then he will not be able to debate either a main kamaki in torah that's obvious if you don't have food you can't learn and if you don't have torah then maybe you won't get food you won't be to food you won't know how to eat food okay so obviously this mishna is very fertile ground for many different commentaries and many different perushim and i'm sure we've heard many perushim and the mishnah but one thing is for sure you never heard this one okay so here we go the todo shimshon who we quoted from last week from the zara shemshine on on allah he starts off by asking me who could weigh on a scale these great mountains who could affix and measure the spirit of the time meaning which one is more important tyra or dara what do you mean with that one without a you don't have b without b you don't have a so which one how could they both be needed simultaneously if you can have one without the other then how do you get any of them in the first place if you can't have one without the other then how did you get either of them well you can only simultaneously okay one of the most well-known episodes in gemara in shaas and one of my favorite stories the gemara says like this there was a student who came before rabishua and he wanted to know is maharava rashus or is mara do you have the david marav or is it only discretionary so rabbi yeshua said it's rashos by the way which rabbishu is this we learned last week the talmud said but rob yeshua said it's rashos surum gamaliel said how dare he let's wait until all the rabbis get into the base of madhurish when all the shield bearers entered the base ahmed rush the questioner stood up and he asked is mara virus or is mario said and then rangam leo the nazi who he said many times administered and accorded himself the the the rama with with pomp and ceremony so to speak with a very iron fist and leo did not allow people to challenge him and that's held with the proper way to accord oneself as an assi and yamil said that does anybody argue on me and rabishua said oh not me and uh now we're sure didn't say anything so i'm gonna challenge him i said uh but i heard you you argue on me so we should have said look if you wouldn't be alive and i would be alive i would be able to basically wiggle out of this one but uh you're alive and i'm alive i can't deny so leo continued to darshan and he did not let rabbi shaw sit down and the people were very upset haldiram gamli on the street rabbishu this is already the third time around gamlia's mistreating rabbishua if you remember the story in rosh hashanah where in gamlia held yum kippur was one day where she was one day be sure that it was a different thing leo ordered rabbishua to publicly desecrate yom kippur right kazum to publicly desecrate yom kippur no kidding isn't good right so um and that's what um that was the third time now is the third time that ram gamlial was basically showing authority over rev yeshua and they decided that he ready he already insulted him in the marauders with the story around sadhuk and now he's he insulted him rosh hashanah and now he's insulting him again so they decided we're going to depose them we're going to point the new nasi so they said who should we who should we appoint so the logical choice was who of yeshua rabbishua was the uh then right so the gemara says no we can't appoint rabbishua because the baal maisa now what does it mean he was the baal maisa rashi says ram gamlia would be too distressed if they appointed rabb yeshua i mean here yeshua was the bao plook day of ram gam leo he is his counterpart he is he's the one who is exercising authority over it would be too painful for ram gamleel says that no that um if they're going to appoint rabb yeshua then people are going to say rabbi yeshua only started up with um leo because he wanted to be the nasty element akiva kiva would be the logical choice is one of the greatest tanaamu ever lived in some respects he had some kind of awareness that maybe mashabenu didn't whatever that means even though it's our principle of faith that moshe was the greatest in all respects but there's a concept that rabbi kiva may be new to the shah nun but rekiva did not have khosavais and what do you need is for because if a rabbi looks at you bad you disintegrate and evaporate if you don't have khasabas so you know you never want to start up with a rabbi it's always a bad bad choice even if you're right you don't start off with rabbis just for your information okay and then they appointed they decided they're going to appoint rebels arya why should you appoint rebels because first of all he's you can't be the nazi number two he's the oyster it's important for rabbi to be in osha why because if a rabbi needs your money then the rabbi is in trouble okay not a good for a rabbit to need anybody else's money so if the rabbi is rich ma man how he got rich that's a different story ezra and azariah he's 10th generation from ezra he'll be protected so they asked him they they presented him the job and um he said let me go ask my wife so questions was he asking his wife for the answer was that exactly it didn't matter what she said but he still had to ask her okay um that's a rule in the gemara no i'm telling you halakhah by mili deshmaya you know only by meli the ara you listen by exactly that's why he wasn't going to listen he was just going to ask right fine but anyway because you'll see he didn't listen his wife said don't take it he said no it's kadai to take it so what did he ask her for right the answer is it just it's like when god asks the angel should he comma make man the angel said no and god did it anyway the superior always asks the advice of the inferior it doesn't have to listen okay yo one day um fine vector so she said but you know you don't look the part you don't have any white hair so that day he grew 18 rows of white here and uh that's what rebel elizabeth azaria said hare anika then shivam shana right we all know the story comes the told shimshon and he says this whole story is alluded to in this mishna the whole account why because who's the tanner of this misnomer said the story in response to the story of gamblion they wanted to know who should we appoint they said we can't upon rabbi shub because he's the baal dava either in gamlia would be insulted or we don't want to say that they he only argued on him to get the job so why didn't they pick rev yeshua bottom line rabbishua was more qualified than herbalism azaria ah what does that mean derek but rabbi shaw is more qualified no there are hearts they had to depose them he wasn't fit for the job but you have to worry about his feelings right it's one thing you want to depose uh one school but you can fine you want to say um can't be but you can't oppose the uh the you know you can't put the brother in you appoint somebody who's not not relevant fine and the other thing is now rebellion nazarya was only able to be the nazi because he was if he wasn't then he couldn't get the job because uh you need to have some so this is this is what it means we wouldn't care about the fact that it wouldn't be dark to appoint rabbi yeshua because if rebels of nazareth didn't have torah then we wouldn't be concerned with the fact that it's not their heritage to a point where yeshua because they're blessed he's not qualified and the main there are if we don't care about their character then a torah blessed would never have gotten a job he grew right here yeah nobody knows your age okay now rebel elizabeth azaria had torah and he was roy but i have a question did rebel elizabeth azarya have enough to be appointed for the job yeah so why did he need new right here no why didn't he have white here why did he need the white here why did hashem have make a miracle that he should grow right here the answer is because if he didn't have white hair it wouldn't have been darakarats so that's the shot in main darakarats without following the needs of the entire meaning the ribanus shalom this is what it means in that he has a beard if he didn't have the beard he would not be able to be appointed as a nasty right here right that's right symbolic of age yeah symbolic of age in other words uh to get to put in a whipper snapper people won't be macabre but they think if you have a white beard that definitely helps for the business okay um then the toddler shimshon takes it further and he puts it in the kuda that we once spoke about um at length in the past and he says like this this comes from the arizal brought in the safer gogulain of the ramami panel and that is these three great tanoam revelations yeshua where the gogulim respectively rev elizabeth azaria was the goggle of ezra hasafar elizabeth azaria was the go-go of ezra hassaifer because the gemara says he was a cayenne and he was 10th generation from ezra but not only that he was the gilgal of he was the goggle of ezra furthermore and who was um rob yeshua because remember in the gemara when gam leo comes to ask we show up from he says from the walls of your house you look like a blacksmith and we know that yeshua kangado in the navy was thrown into a fire because his children intermarried so so the speaker ramil said i see that the walls of your house you're a blacksmith he saw into his soul that he saw the singed he saw the burning the ashes okay so let me speak out very quickly nifla we know that the gemara calls safer ezra we call it what for ezra it's called say for ezra how many books in tanakh we don't call it we call it ezra but today we call it so ashamiyah sanhedrin asks why is safer ezra called say for ezra when nahamiyah wrote the majority of it says the gemara because mahemia said hashem zakhar ali latoya remember my good deeds remember my good deeds took credit for himself so god said if you take credit for yourself i'm taking credit away from you and now no longer is it going to be called it's going to be called safer ezra comes that's because nehemiah became ram gamliya was the guild goal of nachemya and just like nehemiah took credit for himself exercised authority over other tanoem and when they deposed rabban gamaliel that was the tikkun for nakamiya i wanted to be myself if you look in the navi it says that nehemiah took credit for himself three times therefore we all exercise authority over rabbi shaw three times but ultimately they put rev uh morgan leo back when he asked for makila that's why he says his name back okay fine by the way in the chakravatario there it talks about how nakamiya had a deal with converts from mayov and in the story gam leon rabishu one of the shylets they had to deal with was do we allow a gareth from maya so what what does this have to do with anything i have a question for you do you remember do you remember the story that rabbishua says that that rosh is this day and gamlio says it's a different day and leo ordered right yeshua to come violate yom kippur did anybody else agree with rabbishua of course deus van horcken has agreed with yeshua so why don't we run gamlial order of deus even hornets come violate your young kipper why isn't family always starting up with rabbishua he's always rabbishua says it's the rashaus oh you said rashos i'm not letting you sit down like has it out for yeshua why is rabbi yeshua always the the brah takes the brunt of gamlio's wrath so to speak so says it told the shemshine to understand this you need to know that ram gamlil is nakamiya and yeshua is yahshua in gada and yeshua that kind god was thrown into the fire because he did not reprimand his children who intermarried and therefore because he had this khasarah in raven gamlial nehemiah is constantly badgering him as a tick on that that um yeshua should get a tikkun for being yeshua kangado okay take a look at number ten this is why ram gamlio he doesn't care about the raptors and hercules he only cares about rabishua you're sure you argue on me i'm going to put you down there was a tick on that rang leo had this awareness that rabishua needed look at number 10. we're going to raise our eyes to the great masters of saud to try to recognize who was ram gamlial who was rav and what was the great light that emanated from him he quotes ramamani panorami was nakamiya and because he took credit for himself he said zachary alakaz or because he disparaged the earlier generations he lost the name of a safer and around gamlio his nacious was similar to and therefore he was nitra mean suase that i just realized that there's only one tana that's not mentioned in percyavas not mentioned half of a fella his hillel is mentioned mentioned there's seven generations from hillel to rebbe and there's only one who's not mentioned rangam liao maybe it's because since he's nakamiya he was uh taken out because who knows but um now rabbishua was the girl of yeshua then you're sure benjay sadak it says about him is that wood and that's said now who is revelation he was ezra it was decreed on him that ezra should live seventy years it was decreed on ezra that ezra should live seventy years but his life was shortened and he was nascar goes blasphemous and when revelation was eighteen ezra was considered now as if he made it to seventy that's why where allah says hare anika ben shivamshana meaning now ezra is kailua he got to 70 years two years no but somehow the arizona writes that ezra's life was nishlam when azaria turned 18. okay so let's come to the mishnah in torah in their hearts meaning why is rabbi yeshua bengali or rabbi yeshua constantly being embarrassed by iran gamlial why is room gamblion yeshua usually tame with each other even if they they don't agree and even if they uh disagree but tamika are accord each other respect why does ram gamble never record according to show respect even rab deus van horcunos argued on him and rabbisman says there is says if if you saw the moon over here it's like tesla might a woman um that she gave birth and tomorrow she's still pregnant so if this were going to spoke harshly against singapore and say boo and rabbi rabbishua just said i agree and rangam leo said go that's great yum kippur the reason is because you're sure benjalic did not keep the torah because he was not maisha when his children married women not they're different versions that they were kahanam they married women who are not roy lukahuna therefore a main torah if you're not going to keep the torah ain't there harassed leo is not going to give you darakarats but a main darakarats in torah why did ram gamlia lose the nasios why couldn't he darshan anymore because nahimiyah was not noyek with because he said god remember my mitzvahs so i mean there are kharats ramgam leo is going to lose the torah okay viktor what happened on that day what happened on the day that ramgamil was deposed so they um a certain person lost his job who lost his job the gatekeeper because the gatekeeper used to come in and the guy would want to come in and he said look i should come in i'm a lambda and i know all the rep chains all the rebar bearers all the rep shiman you learn muscle you learn me though no i don't learn my story get out you can't come in only talmud right so basically nobody came in the basement was empty but that day remember zarya opened up the doors and he said um there's a macholic is how many benches were added to the basement rich either 400 benches or 700 benches and garlic felt bad let me alphabet basically the the gemara says that on that day idios was taught why so what do we see from here let's continue look at number 12. a we say on that day the guard of the base of the base of madras was removed and everyone came in the question is what rangam leopascan you can't teach a talmud hagon you can't teach in a talmud that's not worthy what rebels have been as i hold that's only if you know he's not hagon but if he's just you know learning from ulterior motives we apply the principle mitochondria wanted everyone to be able to come in otherwise you won't be kind of era you'll and we know that by learning torah it will be le manile madu le maniro so we say like this you're not going to learn if you're not going to be allowed into the basement in era you'll never acquire your shamayim but that's if we know you're islamic guy but if you have no yara we know you have no ura in taro we can't let you in meaning that's why the door is closed we have a guard we have an i don't want to say who he is he makes sure that in this year only eurasia miami come in he has a test like you know in the battery case we have this thing where it tells you how much juice is in the battery we have something similar to that and you don't have to have a lot of your uh even a little bit you get to come in the show in the shira and the people who don't get to come in this year okay we can't say exactly uh they didn't make it in good you're with me everyone everyone's having a good day so far good hour of shabbos sunday is pesachini yeah okay i have a tradition from 72 zakaines the zuckings on the day the vlogs of nazari was appointed how many zakins 72 the problem is the word zakiyan is spelled wrong it's not why does it say zak gain so the barotenurah says to tell you that on the day that rebel elizabeth was appointed they had such unity in the yeshiva it was like one base hamadrish and it says shivam ushnayim zakin let me tell you another interesting gemara agamang subhasandhaf zamabez amarava hai milsa this matter kashaba rabbavir of yosef essen vitar tension rabbi and rabbi yosef had a question about this teaching for 22 years the li ifrich and it was not resolved at the yas of rabbi yosef beresha until yosef became the rashashiva uparkai and he resolved it what does this mean rabba was a rashiva for 22 years when rabbi died rabbi yosef became the rasha shiva and mina shamayim they assisted rabbi yosef to explain this teaching now the truth is rabbah was very sharp and he was an oykar harem but rabioiseif was a more of a bucky and not until rabbit died and rabbi yosef became lost yeshiva this matter was was not resolved but rashi says that even though rabbi yosef was a bucky it was only resolved because god assisted them to resolve this so with this and the above introduction comes the toddler shimshon and he explains the main bina das what's bina bina is when you extrapolate and you figure a from b it's havana to be made in your mahadesh through the dialectic what's das das is clear logic swara yashara knowing to be able to come out with the proper outcome in halacha like it says about david that god was with him what does it mean that god was with him that the always like him but shall he was always in error why because god wasn't with him it wasn't that he wasn't smart enough god was not with shall god was withdrawed now we say that in the story realm gamlial what masaka was taught the deram gamliya was the posed idios whenever in shasta it says that refers to that day there is not one halacha that they had a question about the base matters that they could not explain because since so many tamidim entered the base madrish there was a lot of there was a lot of people and because of the people they were unified and the shrine was among them and they're able to come to the proper conclusion like is similar to what the bartender says and then the day of elizabeth i was appointed zoccain they were all unified they were all one so it means like this meaning if there's not pilple and there isn't a lot of tamidim they would not come to the right halacha and they would not have the siata desmaya to come to the right conclusions from in bina sometimes if you don't have toppo and you don't have the community of tamidim in the back and forth you will not come out to the right however because there was so much bena and pilpal and we know god rejoices with the people of the torah therefore hashem was mazaka them and hashem assisted them that they should come to the right conclusion and because popo comes from the bina this would not have occurred had hashem not helped them so this is what it means like this vina if you don't have people you won't come to the the proper halacha but in das if not for the seat of the shamaya then offer them which is also a reference to das then they would not have the bina hashem would not have uh given them the siata the shemaya to increase the basal medicine to have this pilpal um because it would have been a without hashem seattle it would they would have been hard-pressed to have success with rebel elizabeth zarya such a young man as the nasi like we find that you need siata the shemaya to come to the right conclusion because rabbi yosef was able to come to conclusions that even rabbah was not zaikatu so this is what it means and now we finally get up to the last stanza of the mishnah the gemaran sanhedrin says that ezra was on the madriga that he could have given the torah to claudius i am a number 18. ezra was roy that he could have been the noise in a torah the only thing is maisha beat him to it so there's no to give but he was fit for the job he was qualified it says by moshe umaisha allah el hola kim it says by ezra who ezra allami babel one more piece of information ram gamlia and ravishua were on a boat number 19. they're on the boat together i guess this is before you know we don't know was this before before the three stories after the three stories they're on a boat ram gamlil had bread rabbishua had bread and flour rengam leo finished his bread so gamlia had nothing to eat so he started he asked to be sure for some flour he said how do you know we would be on the boat so long that you brought so many provisions he said rabbishaw said what do you mean there's one star that rises once every 70 years and confuses boats so i said maybe that star will rise and we'll get confused then we'll be on the boat longer so rev gamlio says you say you have so much and you need to go on a boat why do you go on a boat why do people go on a boat for to make a living if you're so smart why do you need to be a wayfarer get a real job so rabbisha said instead of you asking about me why don't you wonder about the two students you have on ya bashar revlon they know how to count the number of drops in the sea and they still can't make a living they still have no clothing they still have no they have no uh food so i said i got to give them a job i'll make them a rebbe or rashiva or something so what do we see from here that ram gum lil rabbishua always felt and this is not the first time there when gamaliel was not aware of the financial status of tamiya that's why rangam leo says i see you're a blacksmith says to the generation where the leader is not aware of the financial struggles of tamika so look in rashi rashi and hariya says you have so much wisdom and you have to go down on a boat for skyra to make a living comes the todo shemshine and he says very interesting he says in number 22. revelation azariah was the go-go of ezra and on this day like we mentioned ezra's tikkun became complete and the gemara says ezra was roy that the torch should be given through him but moshe beat him to it by the way the gemara says even though um the torah was not given through ezra far but the torah was added by ezra seifer because he made many takanois and so on therefore that day the torah increased in claudius and therefore it's called the hirasa it's more khashv than any other masaka the most harsh is idios like until four hours why because we learnt in istanbul like him but they're abundant argue and we know the of the rabbanian is more hashem than esta mishna only then it's only more hashem than stam esta mishna but it's not more established in idiots and islam mission idiot says like therefore we say like this in torah what does this mean ram gam liao looks like you are a blacksmith he said woe to you that you're the leader of the generation what's this back and forth between gamblion the answer is in high realization on a boat and ragam leo needed food he took from rabbishua he said rabisha had you know he needed all this food he said you know you never know and the truth is so gamaliel said why are you on the boat he says there are many tamil common that don't have food to eat sure yeshua is now telling ramayana woe to the generation that you're the leader because you're not masjid you're not aware who is and needs messiah noise to be messed with and therefore all these they have to take off time from their learning to make a living meaning the same way if you were the captain of the boat you you weren't careful you're not careful to make sure there's enough provisions you need to make sure that the tamiya have enough provisions so this is what revelation is saying ifram gamlio the nasi is not careful who needs the zionists there won't be tyra there won't be time why did he pick kamak because kamak lasts longer that means like this people think that you know i'm going to be i'm going to give tadaka to tame you know i'll give them a few bucks i'll give them some money avado they're going to still live like a mouse but you know that's the life they chose no that's not enough you have to support mikhail because the covenant in fact because the primagan prime minister says that even to give comfort to tamil torah if you don't give something worthwhile something sustainable then there's no torah but it works the other way also a main torah in kamak meaning even though i am mako to bring everyone into the bay sahmadrash because mittal shalom ah but here's the difference not everyone's gonna get kamach only someone who really is about torah who's not learning shalom someone who's learning for ulterior motives to ultimately learn the shema we don't give them kamach we give them bread the akrahi you give them abyssal tadaka the din of emain kamaka interior there's only someone who learns torah besh okay so this is a very interesting mahalak of the tall destruction that this mishnah was said by rebels and it somehow it captures the episode where ram gamlial who is the gilgal of nehemiah was demoted because of what happened with rabishua gogoveshwa um and your blessing was the girl of ezra roy shatner he so to speak is reporting all the various episodes alluded to in this mishna wishing everyone an amazing shout out you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com