Pesachim 9b - Gemarah Pesachim #48

the yeshiva dotnet okay I didn't saw him da Feud onward base on the top the Gemara now continues with a ninth and final last scenario of your comments being lost misplaced or having a mouse obstruct the entire process in the last cases he Nia Bisou Bisou multiples of the Sahara's I did because comets I found my hummus and I placed my hummus in one corner and then I come and I discover it in a different corner what do we say now I put my comets in one place I come say in the morning after I get up I want to maybe go burn my comets and I see that the Comets is not there the Comets is in another corner look here again we have the math like instead of shimon ben i'm lee over abana how luck is going to be dependent on a different argument between of shibaemon Gamliel and the rabbits about a different issue in each scenario the uniqueness of this gamora's a scenario was staged and the Gemara found a similar circumstance a reality in a completely different allah and then draw drew an application either explicitly or implicitly which rashly helped us discover the tangy we learnt of Raisa kerim Shah Baba bias an axe that was lost in a home fascinating.i waka how by his tummy the house is considered Tommy all the vessels in the house are considered impure shiny ointment because I say I assume that other than Tommy Nicholas LeSean an impure person walked into the house Anatole and took the axe and in the process may have touched other vessels in the house this is a query fascinating how long what's the law let's see Rashi how biased uh made the house is coming now it's hard for us to appreciate how relevant this allaha was because we don't now live a life in accordance with our losses of two Montara but in the time of the base--emitter purity and impurity was as relevant to jewish life as sakura Smith Amira of today and Shabbos and Pesach and chronic a Hampton who was just part of the daily fabric of Jewish life there were no hospitals a person passed away in a house everything under the roof everything under the same aisle automatically became Tommy any person all foods all drinks and every vessel every Kaylie your pots and your pans and your cups and your goblets and your bowls and your candelabras and your clothes all your utensils all your vessels those that I'm a Kabul Touma not everything is susceptible to tumor but anything that susceptible to Toma became common so this was essential to human to the person's life and and now the person wants to go to the base on microfiche next week because it's Pesach write all the plans have to change yeah you're a col Union you want to eat Roma everything has to change you're going tonight for dinner to your father-in-law who's a Cohen her height everything changes it's just this was my much part of the fabric of Jewish life what do I do with my utensils what do could I make them pure can't I make them pure set etc so here's the case a man I had an ax in the house and it's cool it's gone why is it gone the answer is there was a Jew who needed it right but he doesn't feel you have to ask permission in other words he is capable of stealing he comes into the house and he takes it this person is not careful with to Montara and there was so much tumor out there that if you were not careful with to man Tyrel the likelihood is that you Tommy it's not like tumors rear and unique to me is so common right Anita is Tommy a service Tommy a service Tommy a person in mid see the ball carries Tommy can go into the base--emitter she can eat rumor until he goes to the mikveh if you're not careful with you this kite naturally your tummy so this person who couldn't care less about stealing and acts without a condom on an axe without asking me we assume he's not an airless lead you don't care about gazelle you probably don't care about Touma that means he walked into the house and he took it somebody took it and that means he touched the couch and he touched her bed and he may have touched a candelabra and they may have invited himself to the refrigerator of the icebox too and therefore we say that this bias Rashi says call clayey biased maeín Shandy I may I say other than Tommen is my solution Amish Amish McCall clayey bias because a person is now even though he only borrowed it you now let a borrow something from somebody else without his consent unless I know for sure that you wouldn't mind ah says for example bite Phil and little aylesh love admit supermel minor right right no for sure but if it's a question you know I come and I take your laptop because I need a computer I'm only taking it for three hours or you leave your keys in your car so I take your car this person is called the Gosselin it's called soil shall I made a smile off your now let it borrow something without the consent of the person who owns it this man walks into my house and borrowed quoting quotes he borrowed my axe he didn't ask me this is this in how Lockett called kaskus Russia this basically assume the person who was careless about morality about the interstate and therefore he's even inferior Tornai Moritz uzbek asked a stomach and I Moritz is a Jew who was not literate and not scruple as without loss of torment IRA here it's more it's basically his behavior is completely inconsistent with Allah huh so therefore he could steal he can borrow not steal he can borrow my axe without permission and therefore they we say the house is considered Tommy fascinating Aloha I don't penalize Toma is not a penalty to him as a fact yeah it's not a penalty granted the answers first of all Suffolk Tommy Burgess a yahoo this Tommy even aspects fake according to most opinions besides that we don't consider it a Suffolk of somebody's tummy but saying in the ancient world in the ancient world unless you were scrupulous a person became Thomas he's because family right which is not like a Suffolk I mean we can't say it's you know we can't say it's a hundred percent right it's an evidentiary presumption very good evidentiary presumption yes yeah exactly yes yes yes yes language of a lawyer so therefore we assume is Tommy the Birmingham leo fear fear fear in yeshiva if you're in a dormitory these are concepts if you're living in a bungalow colony in the olden days bungalow colonies it's not so yes everyone is living in their own mansion with locked doors and video cameras yeah we know it doesn't happen nobody comes with the mouse we're talking about a place where these things happen so then he needs a therapist to help him I mean obviously if Jimmy minimally alone made up Shulman Gamliel says how biased are wrong the house is pure Shani i'ma because I say sorry you're a little absent-minded I assume that the owner is she loyal Arthur the owner lent the axe to somebody else with Shaka and he forgot some people are not so conscientious you know again that's more the loose type we spoke about earlier and he forgot OSHA Nakhla Mizo Vizu or he may have taken the axe from one place in the house he put it in some closet he put it away and vishakha he forgot both of these situations he forgot but may let because that is what I assume so that you're right because I can make an assumption that it was not taken by somebody else who is careless about other people's property and other people's items and therefore he must be careless about Toma and there we see a very interesting you saw if you careless about other people you're also careless about God it doesn't work Lenny this is for you it's not shot when it comes to torment IRA he's very very Froome when it comes to conniving sailor why don't we just say a lot of people are like this when it comes to other people's property they don't give a hoot when it comes to to man Tyria crazy of course I went to the mikveh that's not an assumption you know what yeah if you care if you care you care if you're if you're careless if you're negligent and apathetic and indifferent to other people's property you're indifferent to two men tyrant so therefore the biases Tommy comes if something I'm Leland says you're right I'm not arguing with you but why do we have to assume it was a stranger let's assume that you're just a little absent-minded and your wife will probably agree and therefore you were out for lunch and you lent it to somebody and you push it forgot and that's why it's not here you forgot to ask him or you forgot to bring it back or you put it somewhere in the corner now the axe is gone the calum in the house would be well the ex is gone so we don't have the axe nothing was Tommy we're just assuming oh yeah he's a guy who touches things obviously he touches things yes yes yes yes yes yes the Gemara service man the harsh may the last was aluminum leo seems strange who's talking about a corner the assuming of Lille should say the cardem is gone right so you're saying we can assume that I lent it to some and I forgot that I lent it who mentioned anything that it was in this corner and therefore I'm the one who took it from this corner to that corner in other words the first scenario is very clear I forgot that I lent it to you but then he adds or I took it from one corner and I put another corner who was speaking about the fact that the ax ended up in another corner of the house we were talking about the fact that the axe is about it's gone that's what time the camera was talking about not the axe which location its location was changed in the house and the question is who did it that's not what we talked about we're talking about the axe that's gone from the house so should my cameo should say it's not a thief you lent it that you forgot about it why is it assuming I'm will bring in this whole concept that you took it from one corner put another corner Doug the demolition sorry master it's as though there are words missing in the price of Ithaca Tony this is how it should be learned whenever it says sorry master doesn't mean that we're amending the text and we're saying that words are actually missing it means that the Mishnah stand the prices were written in a very brief way and they were assuming that you will fill in the gaps in other words there are gaps that you have to fill it it's like you know short it's it's short speech short writing you just bring out the point then you'll already fill in the circumstances so this price is one of those examples Sisu a master of affect on it this is how you should read it not that it should read actually this way but this is how you should read it when you read it and explain it kardama covered the buyer is an ex was lost and now somebody's coming the body system is shinier him and I say other Tommen is Muslim but not like an impure person went in and took it oh this is what we're adding now into our we're filling in the gaps in order to make sense of the of the entire price so I say neeshub is obvious or much observe as I said is what happened the second scenario I put the ax in one closet and suddenly I find them in a completely different place where I never put it so I say Tobias taught me fascinating that biases tell me why shiny I'm Adam coming this was a somanatham is Arvizu Venetian is officer Harris there's basically strange hands in my house somebody who is completely reckless when it comes to my property he's moving around my stuff without friction and therefore even in such a situation we didn't take it he just moved it biases tell Tommy Sherman I'm Leah lemon assuming I'm a little response in both cases I buy his story now it's very shocked now we understand why he brings him the case with the coroner's from one corner to another corner cuz that was part of the first scenario in both cases the body starts on the Yemen because I say in the first case he/she Leyla Aliyeva I lent it to somebody and I forgot or the second scenario should not limit illumination is over zoo and I put or I misplaced it I placed it somewhere else but shows him again I forgot so here we have a McCoy kiss between their opponent and observing I'm Leo now let's come back to our comments I placed my comments in one corner of the house I find my comments in another corner of the house let's say tomorrow morning according to the how come in we don't say I am absent-minded and I'm the one who did it and I forgot we do not say that what do we say we say somebody else took the axe somebody else move that in this case we say the weasel the rat lajas till the child came and took the Komets from one corner and moved it somewhere else and therefore what do I have to do I have to do a new bill dica in other words in other words she'll say what anybody found it so Rashi says Rashi says very important service minded harsh may pass sucks but although ABC and minimus observers are Harris in surah max Arabic that shiny I'm in Istanbul okay luckily but he took it away for Gabi matzah my service I cherish a more than Tommy nutrition of Shimon who leaked they got become its Nami later born and Coalition Shama aspera so it's the work of a mouse it's not my own work the Kievan association life board and once we're introducing a mouse yesh Lelouch Nami there's now a second concern Louisa who Ella once it's a mouse they have their own systems again if you can recognize that the Comets in that corner is the original comment then we have no issue don't have no issue because it's preserved intact you tied it you have your sim and then it's not a Shiloh we're talking about a situation where you can't recognize that it's the original someone's here we have a problem once were assuming that a mouse came in mice hide food rats hide who they store food they eat food they bring food they they changed food the fact that the comments was moved now I'm afraid this come it's also in other places hold it up Shimon a conniption will Thailand by Adam at smile we attributed to the person himself sure who I saw he's the one who did it Vishakha he forgot the Incirlik we don't need another video that is how it applies to the case of comets soba Mela since we see that there's comets in another place according to the cumin this is not stamina piss off a Khedira bunnell Akula no you know you assume that it wasn't you in other words a mouse is playing games here or not playing games just trying to do his work and as a result of that you got to do another bittakers how much why because there is comets that has been moved around in this room and it's very likely that there is more comets somewhere in the room so if the Gemara am i rather rather said of course quiz two situations one is when the ax was lost ii see this is even X wasn't lost the ax was just placed in a different location I keep it in my closet in my garage and suddenly I find it in my walk-in closet so Trimingham leo says yeah you're an absent-minded guy okay the hawk mhmm say excuse me I would have remembered and therefore I assumed there's a guy who walked in and this guy is not err look he's not scruple Asst because he has feels the right to be so reckless with other people's properties and items without volition and and as a result of that we say that it's Tommy as well on my rubber rubber set fascinating question afterburn isness a house warm at Emmaus not a house a mouse walked into a house it rhymes a mouse walked into a house that was checked to the kick of a fifth and he has a piece of calm in his mouth okay now what's the hollow here we all know what that look is you did because comets a mouse came into their room to your house with with comets so if the mouse is there with the Comets no problem take the house take the comets and get rid of it the problem is the mouse ran so there's comets in my house that's not a question that's the case of Xena the shark out we have seen comets and have to another bedico but here's what happened Venetian is after of you enter into the house after the mouse who mutts appearan and you find crumbs on the floor of the home sorry from dica you need is still do because comets because of the comments of the mouse Bruin and why the pen a shame dark who shall ask for the fire because it's not common for a mouse to make crumbs and therefore we do not assume that these crumbs are part of the piece of bread that the mouse took into your house and we say that basically these crumbs were there earlier and the mouse went with your bread elsewhere Rashi says mission is ocular of matzah groom turtle dick ain't oiling her kick her boy we don't attribute the crumbs to the original piece of bread that he brought in shamed are crucial a pool of fire of alloys el cajon asado we do not assume that this is the kicker that the Akbar brought in okay so let's explain if you would have found only a few crumbs you wouldn't need the finish of rubber would be partial if you only found a few crumbs then obviously a lot of the bread is not here so even if you clean up these crumbs you still have to go look for the rest of the bread because he may have left over part of the bread right there's a few crumbs here because these crumbs don't account for the entire bread the finish of Robert oysters is going to explain is that the amount of crumbs that you found can account for the size of the bread that's the finish that's a big finish if it's a couple of crumbs why shouldn't why should you not do but the COS comments guy came in the guy the mouse came in with a nice with a nice bagel or a little piece of a bagel yeah yeah five crumbs it's not the bagel you got to look for the rest of the bagel the rest of the bagel maybe somewhere else maybe ate it but maybe he didn't need it ain't Suffolk might see me they bother right got it but if the crumbs aren't can account for the size of the bread this is a finish that nonetheless you can't assume and say that this is a vada that's might see me David I because these are the crumbs here it is and the answer is because we know the genetic makeup of an aspir is it's just not part of its instinct it does not leave crumbs we'll soon see the contrast and therefore he does not make crumbs and leave the crumbs he may make crumbs in order to eat small dosages but he doesn't make crumbs and then leave them without eating it's just an act whenever does this and because of that we have to do another particular of the house on my rubber of a settee McNish miss Vicki Kirby other a child goes into the house with a piece of bread and vanilla sacrum and then you go in after your child oh my god matzo pure when you find crumbs ain't sorry why they should die crush Alton Michael affari children are not mice children have the avoider of taking collar and cookies and making crumbs and just the shame mitzvos making crumbs in the kitchen so that he can test the patience of Kathy and mommy and bring out the best in you as good nurturing parents who come into the dining room and see mounds of crumbs and smile darker shall tonight l'affaire a fascinating 1/8 bar has one agenda I want to eat I'm making crumbs I'm not leaving crumbs it's too too scarce a teen like Baruch Hashem is not so worried and therefore the period itself becomes a reality so we assume that these crumbs are the original kicker again rob is talking about that you didn't find three crumbs oh he found three crumbs you have to ask where is the rest of the cookie that you tin a cat rather you found crumbs that can account for the whole kicker if not you would need another big choice just makes this clear yeah take a look nished are crucial to nicola fire oh my rishi HP ruin can they call a kicker there's a map that enough crumbs to account for the whole bread will a ain't certificate iike now he says an interesting thing I feel a little shimon ben Gamliel the are mighty but they call us other cooler we learned before that if shimon minimally Oh remember when you had a field and there was a caver there and they came to get lost so now you have to assume whoever went into the field is Tommy because they may have touched the cave but now I go and I dig and I find the cave or somewhere do we say that who cave Rashad who came as a matzo that's rebbe reb Sherman gamma leo says no T but they call us of the Kula you have to check the whole field because I can't assume that this is the cave er maybe it's a second cave so even according to the fishermen Gamliel who says that what the Tyson says the almighty but the colors of the cooler you can't assume this is the cave ur ha feral I am with over yesh sha Peru Dominica cher ami I've missed my soccer off here over there by the cave where I have no proof that this is the first cave or maybe it is but maybe somebody buried another corpse in just like there was the first corpse I have to check but hit is reclining with over a clan with other means there's evidentiary presumption did I say that right ok this rock aalayam wood that means the strong legs to stand on there's a strong foundation to assume that this is the kicker why should I me admitting uh Sakharov you walked in right after him and you saw the crumbs but mainly even if Sherman I'm Leo would agree that that these crumbs are from the kicker that the child brought in and you don't have to be biting the rest of the house even though by the field he says you do have to be but yeah yeah the loaf was reduced to Purim and that's what you found that there are so much other than their coven Akbar it's the same crumbs fascinating fascinating maybe the mouse ate it but in Suffolk might see me they've out there I don't know for sure excellent yeah again if you could recognize the kicker that the mouse hook right if you can recognize the kicker that the mouse took and you you find that key car then you're good if you could see in the crumbs that it's that kicker and of course we're not arguing you don't have to but the question is if you're not sure so then we say that these crumbs were there initially or here earlier and the bread is is elsewhere now the finish here is even if the kicker is so small that you could say he ain't it if you could say he ate it so then the kyla why don't you just say it's a Suffolk that he ate it even if you did bitl which means it's only a Suffolk Madeira so from so you have a very good Suffolk here it's sure that the mouse came in with food right but there's a Suffolk he ate it and it's a say Khedira Bonham and sneaking in a bottle of Cola he loved to do because comments why ain't and I ain't Suffolk might see me David I aim Suffolk might see me they bother right this VAT I did dis comets it's a Suffolk that he ate it there's for sure comets in this house that came in after my dick has comments of duplicate hearts but that you don't even have to say that here that's my point you're right we don't have to say that well was saying even if this time for bitl yeah saying even if there was bittle comets afterwards the aspartame and he didn't take his comments he did bitl but even if he did bitte laughter he sliced up thicker even if he did bit Alon that comment he still has to do particular yeah bye dieter tree of apple yeah yeah but you're over the same Rover ask about the question what's the question tinder conditioners wiki Kirby other I'm sorry boy you drove it up ask the question after burn it as a mouse walking to your house we kick him a fifth and a loaf of bread a piece of bread is in his mouth but a froyo sir now you see another Mouse sometime later you see a mouse another you see a mouse going out of the house the kicker be filled with a piece of bread in his mouth now what are we set mium in and do we say hi no hide of I know I did nothing the same mouse of wennen is the same mouse oh I'm out and the same bread that he carried inside during entries carrying during exit hey dil mockery no or maybe you have to worry that it's a second mouse and therefore the piece of bread as a second piece of bread and you still have to be biting the house for the first piece of bread that came in from the first Mouse okay this so this question this question could be asked both according to that beat and both a corner of Sherman I'm lil about that caver that was lost you lost a caver you found one do you say this is it what do you say it's a new one rebby says this is it you don't say there's a new one you lost it you found one it could be it it's it if Shimon Campbell says no no no I'd be biting the whole field this question now goes according to both of them why because since the mouse that came out had a kicker with Eve just like the mouse that came in so therefore assuming I'm Leo might agree that is reliable it over there's a very strong presumption evidentiary presumption a very strong foundation and basis to say that the October that went out is the same hardware that came in on the other hand since I'm a square that comes in is with food and it's not like his nature is to run out they find their places they eat they go hide the food etc that's generally what they do they don't just hang out and expose themselves with food once they have it so therefore you could say that even Rabi who says you can assume that this is the cable that your loss would say no that this is a new akbar okay take a look in toy service meet the kicker of course that's what's Nagaya if it's the same actor but I'll assume as the same kicker but there is vada if it's a new Akbar then I have no way you'd say this are looking it's the same so take a look in toys take a look at Isis take a look me I'm really on high knew ah me I mean high no hi-de-hi no hado I know the novel I flew the large bag vomited blood they color saw the color after a glam with over shall a Hui my kicker it's nots time you found the grave so there's no reason to attribute it to the first besides just an assumption here he is with the kicker in other words it's the same image it's the same image of the first asthma so this red line would of ideal merrino a fluid epidermal shanem suture about should never the occupation and the mist a marushin iniciativa bias the aqua has food that got its treasure don't go back out you know that's dangerous hang out in the house do what you got to do put it away eat it the mela Bozell after shots in other words either swerte to look at it in two ways in tim sirloin my if you want to set high new high divine right enough are if you want to say that we should assume that the same one who when and is the same one who went out here's a new question after love on nicholasville kickable v a white mouse comes in with bread in its mouth but a specific it could be faith and our black mouse comes out with bread in its mouth now what's that whoa hi vada hurry new who in this case you gotta say that the one who left is obviously a different house he can't be in the same house he hasn't changed colors within a few minutes if that's the case if it's a different mouse then you have to assume that the bread is also different bread why because it's not the same mouse so I is carrying the kicker it's a different kicker which means you have to do because comments because of the first Mouse my Dillman maybe mice get into fights our mu yeah I may mean a maybe he retrieved it from him he stole it from the first one the black mouse mouse defeated the white mouse forced them to eject to spit out the kicker he took in and took it out of the house and if you never do another ridiculous comments Raschi are muy in Tim Salima and tips away Mahina won the e pass to slay the fish in and Dilma Kareena very very important if we're going to say that the mouths that left in the first scenario it's different Soula traditionally my voice chakra lava there's no need to question a case of black and white if even two mice that look the same we don't assume it's the same one we assume it may be a different EF to do a second because comets certainly if it's black and white we're not going to say that's the kicker even if you could have said it's the same mouse you're not saying it's the same mouse you saying it's a separate Mouse and therefore it's a separate kicker certainly when you can't say it's a set it's the same mouse rashly says you're not gonna ask that question if the answer to the first question would have been Dilma Sharon but the question is I will pass to slay the like Russian or that's the IMP Tim so lemon you see that she's explaining but that's the Gamora is very precise in Tim Salemi if you want to say that the answer is that you're not afraid it's a second Mouse okati shocker beloved boy alone I still have a new question about black and white do I say that the black mouse that came out is taka new mouse but the kicker is what is the same kicker that he retrieved from the first app so in the first case both of them were in the same color and therefore it's easier to say that that's an assurance who's there shiatsu in this case you can't argue that it's the same one it's two but nonetheless we can argue that the second one stole it from from the the first one okati still still so this R actually is very important because he's explaining the words mhmm Salima right into misalignment yeah in other words if we would have had an answer for the previous question and say that we are afraid that it's two separate mice even though it's the same color this question would be absolutely superfluous it would be completely unnecessary that's why rather put his question only in a case where we want to be lenient in the first case and say that it's the same mouse and therefore it's the same kicker less my question is in this case mhmm Salima if you think we're done not yet iam Tim Salemi even if you want to say I've bottomless chuckling my doggy mice don't take from each other and therefore we must say that what that this is a new Mouse with a new piece of rent and the old piece of bread is a mouse and I needed thickest cupboards I have a new question aspiration as a mouse came into my house which was checked from comments we kick him with even brothers in his mouth for hold a yo-yo and a weasel comes out the kicker beefier and a piece of bread is in her mouth in the previous case it was a mouse and a mouse black and white so you might say mice are civilized towards each other because there is a culture no there's a culture of mice that you know that today we actually know pretty well but weasels and mice are starch enemies so therefore here my everything might change do we say holder vladimir porsche cult a for sure the weasel capped out it took the bread from the akbar Idleman no hurry no or maybe it's a different piece of bread who doesn't mean it's a different Mouse cause it Sammy's a weasel it's a different piece of bread the emissive the math we shall now prove it to you then this is the mask which occulta if it really took this bread from the mouths asked Bob if you have a moussaka she should have been carrying not only the bread but also the mouse the mouse is asked tasty as bread in fact it has nutrients for the weasel of the bread doesn't have what's called protein huh he wants a mouse sandwich huh so therefore yeah for the weasel it's not sick yeah Rashi Rashi Rashi huh I'm ouya his Schlick I'm a man who he slew so many means he made him throw it away but not land and he took it with not Lee who was available Haghighi knocked a be odd man me Romilly mean yo D who's gonna throw it out of my head okay so therefore if it's a holder do we say avis holder certainly took it from the akbar and therefore you know have to do another videos comments because weasels do take away bread for minds or you say no this is obviously a new piece of read nothing to do with the mouse the mouse went on with its piece of bread you have to do another video as Kermit's and my proof would be that the hold is only having the bread in its mouth and not the advert looks hard of the cold that went and fought the mouse and the weasel is much more powerful than a mouse obviously he should have had the algebra to as well as she says did they have a shock alas a consumer hire maybe we would have seen in his mouth not only bread but also amongst the e/m team solo Mar if you want to say that you're right you got to do another particular comments why they means to the MIOSHA cult if it's true that the holder took little bread from the mouse a trouble-free evamist actually he would have found the mouse in its matter the mice in its the mouse the mouse in its mouth the mouse in its mouth here's a new question ask permission is the kicker both if a mouse enters and is bred in its mouth but who'll do serve a kick of a a from a vehicle and now it's exactly your scenario the weasel comes out and in its mouth you have both the mouse and the asper the kicker vasimr the bread and the mouse beefier holder are in the mouths of the weasel so how do you have a good proof that what that this kicker must be from the albergue because your whole tiny laws where's the Hotspur if you took his bread why didn't you take it the answer is that the taken so great so then I was doing other because comments one second haha vada yoo-hoo here for sure it's the kicker that the asthma brought in because the cold is coming up with the algebra and the kick I deal more maybe a me said the EU knew you if it's really true that this kicker is the same kicker that the mouse brought in kicker with the alchemist a cassava boyish to cook hey we should have found the bread in the mouth of the mouse in the weasel right Raschi ah kick over a kebab officialdom afterburn it honors the kick of a fever hold the oyster commissioners boy lived i will bethere ki karma kannada bhoomika in its mouth is a kicker here and a mouse here do we say obviously this is the original kicker and that's where the asthma is here we say no if it would have been the original mouse with the original kicker then what then kicker booth fee as per mr. domestically he took the mouse which had the kicker inside of its mouth that's how he should have found it it's not how you found it in other words at one second okay that's the other side what are we assuming now that the weasel should carry the mouse with the kicker still stuck in its mouth why because when the weasel killed the mouse which it does and it does often they wouldn't have bothered to take the bread out of the mouse because it wants the mouse so take the mouse as is with the bread inside of it and therefore what am I afraid I'm afraid that this mouse that the weasel has in its mouth is not the original athma that you saw going in with the kicker and therefore the kicker that it has on the other side of its mouth is not the original kicker yes do another biggest Commons ideal more maybe mission BS oooh so whoo the mouse was frightened no foul the piece of bread fell out from its mouth or Sheik out there the weasel took it that's why in other words you can assume it's the same mouse it's the same piece of bread I why is the bread man in the mouse because the mouse got terrified from the weasel it dropped a piece of bread the weasel mouth took both of its victims it took their mouse and it took the bread weasel eating the mouse and he's also gonna stop in the that's the - sorry she took the grandchildren to museum where they had lizards and the fella the board told my son is dead and every time they said he's picking about the big whack and I asked some of the why do they do it so break its neck first yeah we go like this so you would see food 4000 bread which should be a saucer maybe we should scold annoying yeah so what these are all the questions that rover raised and he wants to know do you have to do another bedico's comments and the answer to all these questions is tako Takeko means let the questions stand take who means from the word come let the question stand meaning we have no answer we have no way of answering these questions that's what it's all business they wanted to be they cat sometimes keep them alive here so la la la la the tour postions and all of these four questions right all of these four questions the first first case was very clear the different being a mouse and a trial that was your mask but all the four questions that never asked question number one you see a mouse go in with bread then you see a mouse go out with bread question number two you saw mouths white mouse go in and black models go out right which made the question look uh very different because it's for sure different mouse question number three you saw a mouse go in and you saw a weasel come out with the bread because weasels do still for Mouse and question number four is even better so a mouse come in he saw a weasel come out with a mouse and the bread in its mouth even though the bread is not in the mouths of the mouse that he doesn't ask so in all these questions the Torah postions la cola meaning leniency with leniency and he says that if there was no bitl so then you have to do another particular comment for example if this happen area of pay stuff two o'clock in the afternoon you saw this whole story then you have to do another because comments why cuz then it's a Suffolk but the entire so Suffolk very nice you maybe even buy your own buy your mutts you have comments in your house and therefore you have to be marksman Dicky's krumitz but the church says if you're ready did bittle you don't have to do another particular commerce close to Suffolk but in there a bummer because Bittle you already did meet a nice little bomber soggy and therefore you're good that is the of the Turner locker and very high in hostess basic semen tough llama dress and the source of that is already destroying them derive it says that in all these cases it's a Suffolk take home means it's or Suffolk whereas the choice to assumptive says take whose teach me attire it's Cushing's with bodies which means le o on of it will answer all these unresolved questions so because the Gemara itself establishes that this is a Suffolk so raela we say fake ended up on a lot cooler again it's only in a case where it's a suffering they're abundant because you already did but I should just add the D Rambam has a schita then whenever the Gomora says in tinsel Omar it's actually passing like that whenever the Kumar's has income Salina if you want to say it's actually embracing that view and that's where they're a momento close combat so matzo believes that the intensive lie Mars are actually that they are verdicts that when the gomorrah says intimately mark it means that is up sack that it doesn't need thicker so after parishioners were alibi you say right we said in Kinsella the russian was empty misil Lima that the one who went in is the one who went out it wasn't just a possibility according to the Rambam danam Tim Salima is something you should embrace you should embrace la huaca and therefore it does not need dhikr the same is true when you had in tinsel armor after Bardem luckily mahadji right you remember him Tim salami Roxbury luckily Marathi what is that that mice don't take from each other so that means if it's a white mouse it did not take from the black mouse or if it's a black Mouser did not take from the white mouse so there are none Pascal's like that that it doesn't take from each other which means that you'll have to do another padukas comments the next time temperature lamer was Tim Tim Salam are that if it took it if the weasel took it from the mouse it should have had the mouse oh so in its mouth that's again a socket in that we say it didn't take it from the mouse and therefore you'll have to do another particulars conference so if you see a mouse come in and come out of the same color then you don't have to do another we could ask them to misalignment but the other Tim salon was actually mean that you have to do a another another big on the and the last case right the Gemara doesn't given him Tim Salima and therefore we say that if it comes out with a mouse in its mouth and the kicker then you do not need to do dhikr as the dinner faker there are born Allah Cola so very interesting how there are moments I know the take who goes on all the cases but the Rambam holds that we pass can a qualitative emptied Salima so now that the Morrises taker the Camorra sister doesn't know they know means how we how lovely you have to know what to do so the halassi he says we followed it in tinsel on by the according to the Rambam Sugden tomorrow let's finish these boy you rather robbers the man who last saw these questions sir other says Kiki Bhishma Kyra if you have a key car a piece of bread which make Irish my career amines on top of the rafters sorry sue my reader I ain't Sartre do you have to bring a ladder and climb the ladder in order to bring it down or you could leave it there what's the question me I'm written do we say Kula hi laughter who rabona the rabbis did not make a person go through such exertion because keep on delay no kiss me now Shelly asylum Italy since this piece of bread is not coming down on its own it's a piece of bread so a person is not gonna come to eat it in other words there's no natural reason for this piece of bread to fall of the roof where it hasn't fold off all this time so therefore we're not afraid that a person is gonna see it on pacer and eat it to say that the middle of Pesach you're gonna bring a ladder to climb to eat hummus that we don't say the shots of eating hummus is if there's hummus in your house and you see it and you forget that it's faces he may come to eat it but this is not something that's exposed it's hidden up the in the rafter it's not falling down so it's gonna become exposed in front of your eyes so therefore in this case Robert says Bittle would be enough you could be yolks in the midst of Tosh abyssal and avoid by your Abba you might say through Bittle that's the fascinating Savarin that you don't have to do dhikr because it's a tremendous terror or we say oh Dilma Simonton awful bustle Michael or perhaps we say sometimes it could fall down and you're gonna come to eat it and if you come to eat it so therefore the rebuttal would be very afraid of that and therefore because comets is whole even on this you have to bring a ladder and schlep it down in other words there's no way a lot of leave any comments in your house even if under natural circumstances you have no access to it no difference if it belongs to you have to do with the COS comments unless you sell it to a guy anything that belongs to you needs because how much no question what do we do have access you can open the door in crisis and we're not conscious to the mouse yeah yeah the intimus alignment if you want to say 'cimmanon enough of us elementally sometimes what it called fall down and you may come to eat it and therefore you have to do because common it is another question kicker Babar what about if it's in a pit in a cave in a cistern it's not falling down because I gotta go up the laws of gravity are not changing a middle of pacer sorry I saw them law wise sorry sorry if here do you have to bring a Latin others if the whole idea is that it may fall down you may come to eat it here it's not gonna fall down so maybe you don't have to bring a ladder and go down into the pit and bring it up huh father do everything it's all comin atcha obviously here there's no chance that the threat is gonna come up on its own and therefore you won't find in the middle of Facebook and eat it so therefore just do bittle and you're good i deal more maybe Zim then maybe then knock Aslam avert survey sometimes you're gonna go down in order to do some needs maybe you need something in the pit on collimated pace of us limit ly you may find common you may come to eat it so therefore because how much is how even here in tinsel Lima if cuz this comets in your shoes you don't to say that it may fall down with a raft it seem much stronger but even from a raft even if you don't want to go up there it's could come down here the shinden shoes it's not gonna come up but you may go down and therefore they made the theme of the COS combi doesn't how far were they concerned which by the way this is the Gemara that i service if you remember that basil and olive asked why do we have to do particular combat since we're doing Bittle anyway i'm an authority of hitler's enough why the F do Pittacus Commerce and Toulouse was mikata sh sh ma Avila why what was his proof is proof was this Gemara because here the Gemara clearly seems to be indicating that the tsavorite Dubnyk or not to do boudicca's how much access you have to the comets and you may come to eat it right this was toast versus big proof from this Gamora kibish mccoyryan right in the beginning of choices that vase huh if you take a look at that base I'm an owl of take a look at scan I to look because it's one of the biggest sizes of tourists why do you have to do because comets so he says right away nearly the first prices of social the I forgot the sadly with mental as miracle harm lived at comets Levada Chalet over Laughlin but hey marshmallow come on the boy you're over kicking wish make our unit Dilma's imminent enough about Scylla medical the question is why were they Marshman here and the answer is because you eat it all year and therefore like Bedelia many people are so accustomed to what's the problem twice versus mccain mash ma right what is his lotion with Hamish ma now she just says rash she just says that thickest hummus is not to be overdone by a robber you might say right so the ran says cause if he didn't do bittle because comets is negated by a robbery mots if you want to learn like that or if you did bit Allah may not be believed Shalom so therefore they said that you have to do dhikr to get rid of the comments no they would talk about generally generally the comments in front of you yeah you appreciate it you enjoy it so we're afraid that the bittle may not be believed salah that's how the ran learns intense alignment if you want to say 'cimmanon officer wasallam allah sometimes you're gonna go down in order for your needs and therefore come to eat the cupboards and if you have to do because comments here's a new question kicker beefy no hush you know what kicker before you knock pushes you have a piece of bread in the mouth of a snake how do you do that a mouse you can deal with a weasel you can deal with it with a snake sorry solver they have to hire an expert on snakes mahute see in order to extract the bread from the snake right ain't sorry or you don't have to cover you right harbor among Rashi kicking Athena hush by bampi naps it's a new question will a dummy Lanakila Elva like our synonym tips alignment take out i'm tim sonic let's not a question what's the question but goofy after horrible on the theme of Dicker's comets is a sea of on your goof but my mind electrode of honor but not on your money in other words they're not gonna tell you to go spend money and rent a table or rent an expert in order to take out the bread idle malaysia or maybe there is absolutely absolutely no difference somebody who knows how to deal with snakes no yeah you don't want to deal with that it's very dangerous we learned before about scorpion the same thing yeah so you rent you you rent an expert you hire don't ring you hire an expert to deal with it so maybe it's comets in your house it's comets in your house the knockers may spit it out you may compete it again you have to remember it's hard for us to relate to this because thank god the surplus and abundance that even poor people have today between food stamps and the soup in the show but in the olden days this toast this was serious stuff it wasn't a village a village a village it was a it was a there was a draught and there was no bread it was and people died from hunger you found a piece of bread the last question you asked that was you know the levels of Hygiene and if a mouse or a snake has touched right but Lamoille there's comets in your house even if you're not gonna eat it you're right even if you're not gonna eat it because the venom there's comets in your house so so you got so you got to deal with it okay a snake charmer I hear a snake charmer so this was that guess a state champ so the Gemara take ooh all these questions once again stand in their place we have no way of resolving them and here again the tour in cement tough llama trespass goes according to the cloud that if you didn't do bittle you have to do another boodikka but if he did Bittle you don't have to do another particular meaning the question of the kicker wish make IRA and the question of the kicker and the Boyer and the question of the kicker by the now hush if you didn't do bittle you have to hire somebody to get this out of the snake you got to bring a ladder you got to go down to the pit if you did middle because the Gemara has a Suffolk so we say snake Adira bond on the Akula but some people do over refrigerator to clean but you could what if the plug you sang a refrigerator what if the plant electricity goes out and you have to fix something in the plug of the refrigerator you may might fall down on me boy right sometimes it happens refrigerator is not working you got to plug it out plug it in check the plug right so you'll mean push out the refrigerator in the Columbus's there so it's the same smart we have a case later how much enough love my pointless Hobbit is buried under a bank that's a whole different engine then then you need shovels you need shovels and I got a big one that's a different that's how dare you come of or if it's a big heat if it's three twelve them than a dog the dog doesn't smell it but if a dog smells it then you still you have to now you got to explain the whole suger here I'll pee mister all the questions with the mouse weasel boy you're over our business butch insa whole thing same mouse not the same mouse bland white weasel a weasel with the mouth so easy without a mouse it's all my drag is dealing with comments and when you if you still need because comets miglin mister is mom which one is terror access if it's an igloo to mr. because it's a star samosa evolves from it the physical comes from the spiritual yasha blend we're discussing matzah like the Yemenites pieces IV member matzah is because of the pogroms that only lasts for a few days so big rush I mean different people of different homes but I never heard that I never heard that maybe I don't remember such I mean some people have their own stringencies but how long a clue there are monogamous people but I'm talking about stay away from a lot of things people don't need anything I'm pissed yes absolutely in fact from the Gemara we see clearly that's all was done because the gomorrah says nine piles of matzah one pile of comets indistinguishable Lennie why did the pogroms make them make hard matzah what's the connection the hard Lancer was able to stay fresh for many months what are those pogroms you mean they just wanted to have there was a big rush to make matzo and all the Jews were running around was a big rush and Ryan used it too they're taking Christian Isis they just wanted to have that's Theresa the hard master so they could make it months in advance and do it clandestinely because of the blood libels so it shouldn't get moldy cause it's regular bread right they always made pots they bake matzah we put every day of Pesa yeah and for the Seder they bake before the say there there's also another reason there's no but there's also there's also somehow logic reasons and that is homage before pacer can get bottle on Pesach comets is isomer Marshall you understand the greatest shot of comets is matzo where's the greatest concern Komets matzo cuz it is comment it's on the way to become comments it's on the way of being in Flav of of leavening right on Arif pacer even if you have a sash tickled oh that didn't get baked a little particle of dough that didn't get Basil's in the matzo so it's comments right so there's bittle but on Pesach if you make it come it's I serve a marshal there's no bit to lump omits how much is one of those things shish in mayor el if it doesn't get buckled only ones basis starts so you understand the word that's you understand Lonnie it's very good answer that's why they started to bake much earlier so once your bacon earlier you need it to be hard so it shouldn't get it shouldn't get moldy so that's why they made it that way there's also another reason it stays in the oven much much it no they wanted the oven to be three four thousand degrees why because the stronger the fire the less chance there is that is a part that doesn't bake but when the fire is so strong you can't leave it there for more than thirty forty seconds and even then you'll see how many Matz's are burnt and and like you know charcoal and black and almost toast it becomes like a toast huh okay because you have time but Ashkenazim whom were very very stringent about things so they develop these things so that's another reason but saris what I said about bittle you want the fire to be very very strong which means you could leave it only for a few seconds because afterwards it's gonna be absolute toast that you can't eat any more matzah toasted nuts a toast you're not able to eat it but in that process it's so hot it becomes it becomes super super hard in others to have the softness yeah it's a whole different process some say these are just different different considerations when it's soft you leave it longer in the oven it's thicker it's a whole different process they want to make it very very thin the same thing when you put something so thin with such fire yeah it just gets very hard that's how it is the carbon pencil was like a suami sandwich with with with more earth no no it's it people don't realize what a seder looked like you had PETA you put in lamb chops literally lamb chops or goat chops right you had romaine lettuce mortar right so you had matzah you had more Eid carp ASA was an extraordinary extraordinary sandwich vegetables more bitter herbs if you like care if instead of slug you put in your maro your bitter herbs your creme if you didn't like it yet romaine lettuce with your lamb chops ate a beautiful covering basis okay now say hello how your career it passes Matz Omar yeah it was the best meal of the year and they reclined they felt good you know when we eat Curtis we're fact are Curtis we want to stress that it's beautiful I'm just joking our characters I could pay the meal is coming but then Curtis was everything okay now say hello because it didn't ferment it didn't know they put it in the oven before and once instant once in the oven the oven it's fine once it's baking it's fine they didn't put yeast the fermentation process gets interrupted yeah yeah it's not that it's Hammad's Hospital it's just Ashkenazim developed a bunch of stringencies just to avoid that's why the machine mats that became such a controversy I have to look after look but that these are other reasons I'm just adding to the reasons for the for the reason our mats has changed yeah I saw once in one of the resigning that they had Max's the thickness of a tefa that's not Peter that's that's a thick lava not even lava in other words that's how thick it was you're dealing with a huge huge piece of bread like like bigger than a bagel thicker than a beggar like like a triple bagel or something yeah I saw that somewhere those thick of @fo now that this was common but I have to look to have to look we're gonna get to that so ghibli another wish ina is usually considered from the ten hundreds through the 1400s the 1500s is the transmission between 1400 and 1500 Chinamen a friend yeah they money bread but even thicker yeah the Tanami minami rahim go from the first century before the Common Era all the way till the 5th century the 6th century after the Common Era right which continues with their abundance for ie the final rabbi's of the Talmud and then they go in a few hundred years till around the ten hundreds the ten hundredths is considered the era of they were shining through the 1400s and then starts the era of the corona so the next few hundred years and then starts the era of what we call a corona acronym the is between the Gemara and they were shining so that's the seventh century ravi nerevar the fifth century then you have the abundant they seal the talmud lets a buyer over bacteria when the temperature goes up it kills bacteria that's all when you put it in the oven have a wonderful day a lot about slaughter and remember to look at those mice when they carry the bread make sure this class is brought to you by the achieve Annette please help us continue the classes make even a small contribution at triple w dot a yeshiva net slash donate