Pesachim 117a-117b - The Placing of Hallelujah - Arvei Pesachim

the yeshiva dotnet okay khufu giant armored Aleph eight lines from the bottom you see Kofi Isaiah Namba Dolloff mamas eight lines from the bottom is the wide lines two dots armored of his de américas de very close to the bottom of the page al Ghul awesome two dots Americas hallelujah yep after the Gemara embarked and continued the whole conversation about who composed the hallow and all of the different perspectives and opinions and it's from it's an extreme these opinions are extreme at least the way the rash bomber explains it whether Moshe and the Jewish people composed hallo when they came out from the sea after Korea champs of or was composed by Mordecai and Esther in the times of Purim and the span of time is significant because moisture remaining crosses the sea and then this forty years in the desert and then they enter into straw land is four hundred and forty years till they build the first base emitter and the base emitter stands for four hundred and ten years and then it's destroyed and they go into Babylonia and then Persia defeats Babylonia and during the times of Akash perish you have the story of ha maan and Mordecai and Esther which is at the end of the 70 years of the Babylonian exile following which they're going to go back and rebuild a second based on my condition that's when the story of Purim happens so from Korea sama souf till the time of Martha and Esther is four hundred and forty years for the base of mixtures to be built four hundred and ten years base emitter standing so altogether that's four hundred then ah for forty eight hundred and fifty years plus 70 years is nine twenty plus forty years in the desert is 960 so it's close to a millennium you're dealing with and that's the question when was howell composed so I'm just bringing out that these two opinions not a question of ten years 50 years 100 years so question of close to a thousand years nine hundred and sixty years sources graph Schwab Theory rapid you know of Shimon Schwab's theory about it you spoke about this a long time ago I know did he retract from his theory okay it's that which one of the big mysteries of Jewish history one hundred and fifty years have disappeared we don't know what happened then we're still looking for those hundred fifty it's complicated my sir yeah okay but snot for now it's a whole my sir they're after the destruction the time of the destruction the first base of mikdash according to secular history it happens 586 BCE yeah according to the Jewish chronology it's around 423 BCE that's approximately a difference of 150 years Lera and that discrepancy has triggered a lot of mystery what happened so rough Schwab has the theory that the Casal intentionally at least his original theory intentionally tucked away those years because of the meal and the cat's a Gansa miser but in any case so these two opinions in gomorrah are pretty extreme according to Rashi it's not extreme because Rashi holds that Mordecai and Esther didn't compose Hollow they also said Hollow but according to the rash bomb the literal interpretation of the Gomorrah is that you're going from Korea sama souf to Mordecai and Esther and we're not sure who composed hallo according to the first opinion moisture and according to the last opinion Mordecai and Esther during homina Russia's edict when they said hallo and they asked loyal oh no Hashem loyal ah no killer I think of without husband calamita Andrew how could you said lomani LeMond es sir and then the final opinion of the car comin that it was the Navy who composed in a time of moisture for Jews to say every hump if introduced to say at the redemption of every sorrow so that was some of the discussion of the Gemara about the author of howl since the tehilim does not attribute authorship to the holla it just made it into tell'em and it's not clear who composed the hollow doesn't sound attributed to David hemella even though one opinion is wasn't over Tamela but many of the opinions say it has nothing to do with of it Dov it is just the one who recorded it in the hilum and according to the malbim as we said that tehilim was not sealed till much later and chapters may have been edited at the hilum outside of Dovid amela at least one of the explanations that's the magnums perspective in his introduction to tehilim so now the Gomorra continues the next piece about hallo just an interesting comment before we go further and that is if you look at the language of the Gomorrah right before I murder prisoner it says that the navien were miss akan hallo right sure you only my cell call pay the copay like to say it every um TIFF file called tsarevets Arash alloys Ave L AM Lea strong and during every surah that happens to the Jews who Lucretia McGowan I'm reliable awesome and when they redeem they say it for the redemption here's my question does the Gemara mean that they say how will doing it sorrow or the Gemara means that they say how long after the ghoul of that sorrow you would say how will you say after the redemption right just like we say hallo on yom tov because it's a day of celebration we say how long after the ghoul after the emancipation like we do on Chanukah we say how long but in the language of the game or it says how cold tsarevets hurts less of a elohim leader all you said by every sorrow all the kiss any goal and and when they're redeemed you say it I'm the Googler it doesn't sound like it should have said how cold third of it so - Lisa licorice and egg all in when they get redeemed they say hello but the Gemara makes it like two separate things when they they have that surah and when they redeemed so it's it's a very interesting thing what does the Gomorrah what does the Gomorrah mean you would see like right and when you learn the Gemara initially where it says this it seems from Russia and the Raj bomb that you say hallo for the gula not for the Torah but if you take a look in the rash bomb take a look in the rash mom here okay so technically in the Raj balmy system dual I am some dual I am they said it when they stood at the sea right that's the one opinion about hallo by the Billy a sir so he says Lucretia Avril when they passed could exceed hi um Rafa annoys the seesaw and fled in other words deceased split and they went through the Hispano lu la la new hashem la la no pena ver para Vaishali Acharya at that moment they said Hollow and they dove and loyal Onew Hashem lalana don't do it for us because they were still afraid that pariah and his troops are going to also cross the sea the water didn't yet come back together to drown power that means they said hallow still before the ghoul they had a Googler but they are afraid that this is just going to spell disaster and catastrophe cuz just as they passed the Egyptians will also pass in other words they still weren't sure exactly what's happening how this story is gonna unfold this great thing to see split wonderful they're also gonna get through this means when did they say hello before bhaiyaa my Omer who is he told me I've been showing my ass a storm it's Ryan mace allspice ayam that's when they said the Shira Oz yoshimasa but the hello they said before in middle of the crisis that's why they prayed la la no please please don't do it for us do it for you next piece your issue of us all you stall on Maru the second opinion of you hood is yahushua said it when they had to fight the kings of Canaan Colima a feast Rovio schwa Maru Rashi says it was also you stalling you're sure the Saint Peter should obey knew will only hear Ali - mom disagrees we learned last time he says that it means you're sure himself composed that nada was composed by moshe rabbeinu and he finishes and he says for us T LeMay medical haneda Mariela a llama rule al sorrow so we see here from the rash bamaca vowel decay finish that the prattling Gemara is actually literally that you say how well not only by the time of the gula they say how low so before the gula and the time of the distress they also said howl that means there's two types of tikona some hollow three one is to say howl every empty one is to say how well al cults are shallow Savoye as at Fila as a preparation for salvation and one is the third is to say hallo after law the Gullah what's interesting is then you would expect that how low before the ghoulish should just be at Fila but most of howl is not at Fela most of howl is exquisite praise and celebration we have one chapter of Harlem loyola know hashem loyal oh no collisions attained covered right and then we say you've orifice basically where they start but much of howl is mahashiv wash em colt ogham alloy alloy how can I give back how can I respond to everything you have done from me right well sighs Baxter Baxter down Lois I am called go and cover Alain Ducasse know how you do I mean I made sire we say or Nami but then we and then we say on Hashem Oceana so we have in Howell some tree lice but much of hallo maybe the the maybe most of hallo is actual praise so we have here a very interesting idea that there is a concept of praising and expressing gratitude even before the issue happens it's basically uh so this is a Talmudic source to the expression traffic good design good you're ready thanking our Shem for everything working out perfectly well what now is the time to Davin don't thank yet you'll thank to morrow know according to this the hallo has said I'll Colt tsarevets are hallelujah Aloha ahem even though there's Phyllis but it's full of praise it's wonderful it's awesome what you have done etc like almost Kiev here by Supreme ICU decay and so many parts of challah which are calling to this there are spam is saying when did they say it the middle of the Torah middle of the challenge in other words you're anticipating Redemption and you're already expressing gratitude thank you for making it work out so beautifully just very interesting observations I know we're not used to this concept we we used to correcting by Sarris but I think we see here a very interesting perspective clear clearly it sounds like that in the language of the Gemara and the h-bomb clearly says it that they said how though before the issue happened and the other ones know and the other ones take a look at the other ones no mal'chik nan they're facing mouseykin on the next is they're facing multi canal then this car manumission on Azaria before they're being flown into a fire what he's saying hallo for Mordecai and Esther are facing homina Russia what are you saying how will for wait for poor him to say hallo my poor term actually we don't say hallo they said how will be for poor in all these cases it was a middle of a series not a surah serious our son Harry was about to attack the Jewish people nothing happened yet and that's why Roja Kurdish is saying lomani LeMond yes sir just it's a fascinating idea how their arch Bob puts it that the shaft is the middle of the Torah they said howl yeah one projects that positive energy somehow it seems like I think thoughts have tremendous power you know they say they say the letters basilica are the same letters like mahashiv oh right our thoughts have tremendous power I think we see it always in terms of our life you know the way a person thinks about their marriage the way a person thinks of other relationships the way a person thinks about their life very often turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy and it's not I don't think it's just an illusion it's just you know delusions you know some psychobabble gurus who want to make money or few and they'll tell you you know think that you're a billionaire tomorrow and somebody sold you ten built it you know I know that this this can get very psychobabble II where you know reality is not reality and it's just your thoughts but I think this is not this is not in order to liberate people from responsibility or from taking accountability I think on the contrary it's an avoider I think it's actually a deeper voyda I don't think it's about sitting on your couch like a couch potato so I'm a billionaire tomorrow and the ceiling opens up and you know and the election koga leader shows up I think it's a very deep avoider no gravity yeah yeah different no obviously once when that when that saw when there's different stages in our locker when somebody has for Shalimar loved on passes away right he says Dynamis there's a dinner of shivered as it is poppy there's a veil is dis grief here here by here by ha maan they were they were hoping for transformation tisha Bob became a fast day cuz it was the curtain based on McClure's we don't say hala wanted to above that Sora happened it was a burn and we more in the urban we pray for redemption here some common maid and eat it he didn't fulfill the Enoch yet right so pulled it they didn't just fray it should be good but there was also an element of Howell in that prayer and indeed it turned it turned around amaryllis de reproduce ed and the conversation that we now address is earlier the guimard discussed the word hallelujah is it made of two words are made of one word is it hallelu car and the second word is Hashem's name and you now erase it or no that's a wrong explanation it's hallelujah is one word it's just like emphasizing the word hallelu praise with the extra emphasis which is the extra you then hey it's not at shams name and therefore you can erase it and it's written as one word and they're actually two opinions about it the question is something else orphan in tehilim you'll have a hallelujah between two capital between two chapters and they weren't clear if it was the end of the 1st or the beginning of the 2nd so I'll just give an example so you'll understand what the Gemara is saying the end of capital coved a load we say unrestrained is barking off she eat a moratorium in Eretz or assure you my daenam barfy nauseous adonai hallelujah capital Coffey how you add annoy here is my idea of a mammal elesif ok so in our print the hallelujah is at the end of cough dollard's but it's right in between it's between cook Darwin and Coffey that's just one example because here there's only one have a look another one would be in these capitals it's very often the end of Capitol cafe by very shmoo hook of a serosa Vince are you hallelujah and then you have capital Cove of also starts with hallelujah so we're there you already have two so it's not a question because they have Alleluia that end of cafe the end of Cove off at the end of cafe the beginning of curve of the question would be at the end of coffe Dowland we don't have it at the beginning of cafe when you have Alleluia twice it's not a question when you have it once at the end of a capital is at the end which at the beginning the end of kavafis Baraka shammed okay so my Lou my darlin Alleluia and then Cove Zion is hi Josh I'm Katalin Kozma that many say Erev Shabbos before minister again it's a look at the end of Cove of and not before cough-cough Zion throughout how will you have this a lot how does the first chapter of howl end Maria Cara Saba is a ma Bonham Samaha hallelujah but say sea storm limits Ryan okay loyal on who had this loyal on whose end via national divert her mind much man wash em well I am a smell local liquor we're not going to were coming after that Doyle um hallelujah a half the key is Marcia okay how does that one end but Carter is based our embassy official Oh him hallelujah hallelu estar schramko you see what's happening here hallelujah comes at the end and the next one doesn't have a hallelujah and the Gomorrah was not sure about this as we're going to fix explore it Americans the hallelujah safe pika and Alberto Vollmer hallelujah - Pik krishna says whenever you see Alleluia between two chapters of tehilim it's always at the end of the first chapter rabbie the son of Ramona disagrees and he says no it's always race perco the beginning of the second chapter in their Scrolls they didn't know because it just said hallelujah and there were no perience so you had to decide is it to the right or is it to the left rep is de argued it's to the right Robert of una said attributed to the left meaning at the beginning of the new chapter of tehilim again it's not a question when you have to hallelujahs then there's no problem obviously one belongs to the previous chapter one belongs to the next chapter the question is when you have one but the cipher himself is just following a previous right the question is what is our tradition about how that the hilum has to be read originally if we would have had the original manuscript what was the tradition yeah apparently or at least this was their tradition yet America's repears descent let me prove it Haseena Lula til a debate Ralph Hanan Bhairav Tilly is - Elam pilum like we say tell him right I have seen the personal tehilim in the House of Representative Ron Dixon boohoo hallelujah a.m. Topeka and I saw that he writes hallelujah in the middle space between two Capitol tehilim alma miss Sapkal a obviously reckonin had a Suffolk if hallelujah belongs to the previous of the subsequent and that's why he put it in the middle at the end of a chapter he made space before the previous chapter yet space and in the middle he put him out earlier why why are you putting it there its own capital to look obviously now there's no chapter of tell him of one word obviously he didn't know should he put it here should he put a deer does it belong to the former doesn't belong to the latter so therefore he put it in the middle and then you'll do what you want the other he doesn't want to take a position this is the tale and I saw in the house of a Brahman Bhairav is the bridge at the end there's no capital that's one word there's no capital to Hill him that's one word hallelujah there's always a theme hallelujah and a theme so that's why he assumes either belongs to the former belongs to the ladder and if common didn't know syrup his day is bringing out that this Suffolk is a real Suffolk and he is saying that the Alleluia belongs to the former robber of Hoonah says it belongs to the latter says the Gemara armored of Conan by rava Conan by rava says Hackl maiden everybody holds but the HeLa Sasha madaba people virus called master shame car alarm voids which is the capital that ends off Kaufman hey which we know as ASHRAE it's really not ashtray it's the hill hola dahveed and it ends off Tillis our seminar people asked about certain cultural or lombard say hallelujah de basura the hallelujah that comes right afterwards ray speaker at the beginning of capital kaufman love and we all know it cuz we said every morning and suka does Imre the beginning of capital kaufman love is holily na VI soshim ha ha Lala bhai Samri lilyc ibid so refcon in the son of robbers saying that over there everybody holds that the hallelujah belongs not the capital kaufman hey but the capital kaufman involved we don't say tequila's a sham need a burpee water combustion Carlo Lombardi hallelujah rather lombard period start capital cough member hallelujah a Lolita is a denial of the nobuseri Azam relay Lahaie bit ID over there everybody is murdered ala Lucca belongs to race peer cut at the beginning of the next chapter the same is true when it comes to capital Co few days I guess we should have telomers right the Hillis are semi dabba P Rivera kielbasa shame coach Roy Roy l'm god right and then hallelujah hallelu now Sheamus Karzai Malachi bi d I'll show you give me that for a moment let me just do we add also another pasta give an afternoon of or Fu K may active add alum hallelu cur but that's not from the hilum that's not from the original come hey right that's what we add at the end of it just like we add Ashley ocean visesa oh yeah Luka sell our shrimp Chicago I'm sure some of the coverages from the previous capital capital cover capital Kauffman talent okay the last line of an October come at the mother my look is taken from capital cough Tess love it's actually from hollow l'homme Simula look of a local yard a duma van national worth coming at the Vidal Amalia we take that plastic from Hollow we put it into the end of ASHRAE so we get a new hallelujah but in the original tehilim there's only one hallelujah so that hallelujah belongs to a Lulu le na VI Sasha okay I looked at here because here they have the Meyer McComas and this Sid they have the Meyer McComas to each plastic well who wrote to Helen we discussed who wrote a letter this says to him the Lord of it so there's no question who was mm Ella - Hillel the DA with mmm started well we would assume the author initially was one it was one scrub Ithaca cemeteries also one scroll but you have to you have to know punctuation yeah so by cemetery you have yet well we always have the sucrose and the stew mice so if you have if you have a space it's not a question the price none was no space after Alain Luca so they didn't know where it is the next comes up the next one is co food base capital Co few days ends Russia year of a Haas Shin of yeah Craig venomous Tavis reassure him toy wait that's how capital ko few days ends translation the Russia the rebellious or the wicked person will watch the costs full of anger in other words a life of anger is a life of spiritual poverty Sheena vehicroid even omits he will grind his teeth and melt Irish I am tired the cravings the addictions of the wicked will ultimately cause them to decompose you know addiction doesn't get you anywhere it's it's tithers that ultimately destroy you and how does an X capital begin the next capital is actually hollow core feud game Oh hallelujah hallelu avid a Hashem so he says here everyone is Marida hallelujah the bass array raged pika the hallelujah at the end of co few days is not at the end of co few days it's the beginning of co feud gimel at the beginning of the next chapter which is hollow which is how we begin howl hallelujah hallelu after ad annoy hallelujah shame are they know you chamber the name a very smart of our dalam next tehilim cough lammott hey many people say this Shabbos morning right before Barack summer the Capitol Hill them that they say many say or after burg summer depends on you know sir so how does capital kilometer a start it starts off hallelujah hallelu ashame Adonai hallelu of they are they know I'm them give a sudden oi Boccaccio's base alakay know right and then I look at them how does it end it ends base how LaVey birth was a mere sham Baruch Hashem it Syrian Turkish family and then we have the big hall you do hi Josh I'm Qatar of the 26 hi do say says there shall I'm the me vase Hashem the posture I'm the move a certian Boccaccio's basal okay know that capital which is column and hey hallelujah the bursar a spare key hallelujah at the end is the beginning of the next chapter meaning that cuff Lamon take capacity BAE's he's calling the end of the chapter and art in art ILM's who don't have that buy him cuff Lamon hay is hallelujah Aloha shame a denial ooh after dinner she enemies at the neighbor hucksters base la new hallelujah heatwave are they noise Amrish Mikey know him so he's finishing capital calamity after to pursue Kim she earned innovation Boccaccio's basal okay no hallelu car goes to the beginning of the next chapter which is Kalama name is pasta gimel hallelu cookie toy Hashem Shia militia my keen are you in our to hilum's we don't have this it's all part of capital calamity and I will look at the middle of the chapter but obviously from the Gemara we see that the first to become of capital column at a are either independent or they belong to Kalama dollar they belong to Kalama dollar and therefore the hala Luca begins Kalama D hey so that's a very interesting observation so the son of Robert opponent brought out that in these situations there was no debate Caro II karahi are the people who were experts and sukham these were this was their expertise Conroy means they were experts in pronunciation in in reading sukham in the Trop in the and the vowels and the can't elations this was their expertise they knew the Tanakh backwards and forwards kirari the experts in Tanakh my Siffin they add office a loo they add another few per second to this list here we go Capital Co Feud of tehilim how does it end mean alcohol bad Iraheta alkane erm rush hallelujah debar a race perky the Hallelujah belongs to capital hoof your a love capital caffeine olive should begin hallelujah Ida Dnieper Colliver beside you Sharon vada not alkane your hemorrhoid shall look next kefir Aleph kefir Aleph ends ratios karma year Asad annoy sacral toy La Jolla say I'm taking Lhasa I met Assad hallelujah Debus ray-ray pika the hallelujah that follows is the beginning of the next chapter which Capital cough you'd basically days will begin hallelujah Ashley issue arias and deny permits myself huh fits my tight who now that we finished this whole discussion the Gomora comes back naima perhaps let us say this that the argument between a pista and Robin by Ravana which argument the argument of hallelujah at the end of a chapter it should usually be attributed to the previous or to the subsequent name of perhaps we should say cat annoy the argument between trees to our Miriam is following a previous debate between two ten million in other words they're basically being repetitious they're repeating a debate that the tenoram had in a later generation which would make it difficult this would pose a question because if the tenoram argued about it there's no need to reiterate the argument if it's already an established debate so that is what the Gomorrah is asking do we really have here a car an example of an old debate that then Don Miriam bring it up again and they just do it in different words what we had in the mission or debate at Haitian who I'm ER till we're do you do howl the night of Pesach before the meal we know that you do how long after the afikoman after benching on the third on the fourth cup of wine you say howl but we don't start howl after benching we start howling the night of Pesach when before we drink the second cup of wine before the sued the before solenoid but there was an argument in the Mishnah till we're Bashar mayara Maryam a day my Bonham Smith where somebody says you only do the first chapter of how low before the meal and you finish a maja Bonham Samaha that's what Bashar mrs. basilia lemony miss a little says Absalom is Lamar named I you add also the second chapter of howl but Stacey Solomon sir I am you go till Columbus know my name I am in other words you also do the second chapter however when Tanya dog the same argument we have recorded not only in the Mishnah in Sock'em but also in a browser and the browser puts it this way at - Weimar until where do you say how will be for the meal but shamayim advertises psalm limits right Sammy says you go till but a seesaw emits ryeom which is the beginning of the second chapter of how vasily livanov is Hillel says add lalana wash my la new you go to Loyola no wash my Lana which is the beginning of the third chapter so now let's understand according to the mission and the bracer Bashar my holds you only say the first chapter of hallow which is basically capital Coe feud gimel of the hilum 113 of teller base hillo says you say the first two chapters of hallow which is capital CUFI at Gitmo and capital could few Dollard of the hilum okay so why then do the mission and the Bryce if raised the argument so differently if they both agree about the views of Bashar me and basil--oh why do they phrase it in different words let's see the difference in the mission of the way it was phrased is made shaman says aim huh Bonhams maker is cut off point base Allah says Allah mashallah my name I am is caught off point in the browser Bashar may says but say she saw me mitzrayim is caught off point basil--oh says loyola no Hashem Lala knew is cut off point why the difference so the Gomorrah says my lava hakama flee I know why perhaps doesn't it make sense to say that the mission and the Bryce are actually arguing about this very point LeMond the armor a dame abundance maker the one who says that Bashar my says you say to lay my bottom smasher which is the Mishnah the text in the Mishnah server he holds the view of robber baron verner that word hallelujah ready speaker the hallelujah at the end of a chapter always belongs to the beginning of the second shaft sins at the end of the first chapter of hallelujah hallelujah machine via Karaca bias Aimie Bonhams maker hallelujah it's in between the first chapter in the second chapter so according to Robert of Hoonah where does that hallelujah big long it belongs to the second chapter in other words aim abundance maker period hallelujah but say she saw me mitzrayim base yak of me I'm Louis so therefore when he wants to tell you the view of Bashar may what does he say he says do it till a huh Burnham Sameach because the hallelujah belongs to the second chapter so by sama holds that you finished the howl by the word sneha and the new hollow the second chapter which you'll do later will begin with the word hallelujah but say system it's not mind our my the second view who quotes by Shama this is the Bryson adverts a sister all roshambo says you got to potato soul suffer what does he hold he maintains the view of represent Alleluia so perco the hallelujah belongs at the end of the first chapter and therefore he can't say Bashar bhai says you do till aim abundance mate huh Kuzma Shama says you also do hallelujah she says miss Sharma says you go till but say cease roll mimics Ryan because Alleluia belongs to the first chapter so therefore Bashar my says you go tobut say cease row because the second chapter will only begin with what not with hallelujah but with a bit say see some omits right and you will end the first chapter with a my Bonhams america hallelu car so based on my olds at the hollow before the meal you don't finish what's maker you finish it with hallelujah so the McCleod is between the prisoner and robber by romona we're the one our look is supposed to go into hill in which exists also and hallow is a ready can already be traced back to the tannoy I'm the one who wrote the text of the Tana the author of the what the author of the text of the Mishnah versus the author of the text of the browser the way they phrased that the baby team is I mean it's hello perhaps it would seem like his mom is dependent on this very argument the town of the Mishna says Bahamut says you say tell a my Bonhams maker why does he say to lay my Bonhams maker because mate has the last word coz Alleluia belongs to the next chapter and the second time and the Brice's says Bashar my says Talbot say she saw him it's Ryan why because he includes the hallelujah inside inside the first chapter lycra prisoner and therefore we say oh so hallelujah before the meal and we'll only begin with the taste you sure all me Metiria there's also obviously just something that has to be noted that the odd in the Mishnah and the odd in the bryce is a different ad when you till you can always mean including or excluding it's called ad the ad McLeod or Advil a at McLeod right I say I'm giving you this loan till Monday what does that mean you say includes Monday till Monday means also Monday in other words till Tuesday and I say no till Monday means til Monday by Monday I want the loan back right so there's always a question in halakhah what's odd till is it advil advil Clow does it include the ads or is it below ad McLeod does it exclude the ad in other words at is cutoff point so in the first in the mission that says based on my says you say add a ma Bonham summation obviously which ad is that including a my Bunim Smedley not cutting off Howell the middle of a chapter in the second text that says add the bit say cistrome it's Ryan so obviously that ad is what add the laid-back Lao excluding the question is why do they have to make this division why do they have to make this make this distinction right so that's where the Gemara is saying it depends on how they defined the word ha lu lujah one opinion couldn't say Tolbert's a seesaw omits Ram because if you would say filbert's a seesaw much time what would you think you would think that you have to say hallelujah and really hallelujah belongs to the second chapter so therefore he says aim abundance maker to show you that that's caught off point and the other one can't say at a mob on America why because if you would say that what would you think you would think hallelujah belongs to the second chapter and it's not true so he says no it's a seesaw mom it's wrong because I loo you belongs to the first chapter which means apparently of his then Robert Irwin are already just repeating the debate which would be superfluous and unnecessary because the tamborim already dealt with this issue that's what the Gemara is is raising here just one note why would they argue in the text of base Hill oh I understand why they're arguing about the text of Bashar my but the text of a cylinder wouldn't be a problem because basil--oh says you go till Columbus Lamine a million they could have both said that the Thomas says to column I'mI'm in the mission and the Bryce is a till while oh no I understand why by baisama they had to differentiate because of this problem with Alleluia but you don't have a hallelujah at the end of the second chapter this is Columbia my name I am loyal on wash em so we're they could have chosen the same language but obviously they were just being consistent in other words the way they phrase make sure my is the way they phrase be sila so if you phrase based on my a my abundance make our so by Hill oh you'll do the same thing how long will um I know mine which is the end of the second chapter but if your phrase basil--oh as adverts AC strongly mitzrayim so you're gonna do base hello the same way you will discuss the beginning of the third chapter rather then the end of the second shaft and we understand why because you want your ad to be consistent right if it's advil advil all you'll do it this way by both and it's advil oh yeah but while you'll do it consider my both cause if not you're gonna get into this this tension with the word either it's gonna have to change rubbish I mean and the silho so that would make a lot of sense I just wanted to know that for the for the for the logic of this question yeah but they didn't they did it they just got in toward the same debate and on all of his dissent is that I saw that the hilum of rep hardened and he also didn't know in other words this is a debate but this debate is already an early debate so it's a very interesting principle in Talmud that when something is debated by the tenoram somehow that my rhyme are not supposed to debate it because they were supposed to be aware of all the debates and if they are debating it it means we don't understand the first debate in other words do is an intellectual consistency here if this was already brought up on the table don't bring it up again on the table let's go back to the first debate and analyze it unless you have something new to say but this doesn't seem like it's new it just seems like the same debate in different words here it's about hallo and here it's about the hala Lucas but it's really the same debate where the hala Luca goes so the Gemara says it's not true there's no need to say this there's absolutely no necessity to attributed to the time William refused the matter it's Luca may represent an answer both the mission and the Bryce following his opinion meaning replicas des will never concede and say you're right one of the tonneau Liam argues with me the prisoner will not say that if Krista will say both the Mishnah and the Bryce sir these are the important words of wisdom at tyrunt's Lata may refuse the will answer and justify both the text of the Mishnah and the text of the bracelet with his own reasoning with his own logic with his own shita he doesn't see himself as posing a contradiction to one of the views of the tunnel yym he his view is reconciled with both I didn't we just have a good proof against them because according to the professor where does the Hallelujah God Alleluia goes whether it refers to say the lujah always follows the first chapter right which means you say hallelujah that would be the brightest above the mission would be a problem instance you say Calais my Bonhams makeup she says no the Coulomb is sorry Alleluia safe perk everybody agrees with me hallelujahs at the end of the chapter ah why does the Bryce to change the language and say you say Talbots a C's role and the Mishna says you say to lay my bottom smack huh I'll tell you Mandar more advantageous role the one who explains the view of miss Sharma and says you say Talbot a shoe store meaning the brighter sharper this works very well with me that you say Tolbert a seesaw meaning the hallelujah was already said earlier perfect my problem is the other view Oman the Omar the tanu says which is the Mishnah a my Bonhams make edema bottoms made huh hardly a cloud a my bottom Sneha means add the add below it includes a my bottom Sneha in other words it's not till a my bottom Smith and not a my bottom space it means advil advil ow so the limit is part of the calculation right are they my bonus Mesa Absalom which Lamar named oil and as we explained that obviously means adverb mcleod and therefore he didn't want to say I'd but say she's wrong cuz if he would say Albert a show what would you think since by him add always means advil advil ah in other there's an argument here when you say ad what do you mean and according to him the town of the mission when you say added includes the odd if we would say adverts a seesaw Mitzrayim you would have to include the bits a seesaw emits riot but if somebody doesn't hold that you don't include would say she saw moments like so really he holds the hallelujah is the beginning the end of the first chapter and therefore you have to say it after him abundance maker so why doesn't he say adverts a see sermons time which would make it clear the answer is he can't because he would say odd but says he holds out of an adverse law and that would include OSA bodacious no ma'am it's time but the bright sir he holds that what odd velour but clout so when I say till Monday it means not Monday so therefore he says admits a cease from him it's ryeom couldn't say see some I'm sorry it is not in cluded according to this we understand very well how the mission and the Bryce it differs with personal to the Mishna says at Columbus will my name I am because the old adverb McLeod the Bryce I can't say that and he came he can't say ad loyal ah no because that would mean you have to say loyal on ooo oh so right but the bracer who holds advil Arabic Lao so he says you say to loyal ah new because it's advil Oy ad McLeod the name ad hallelujah labor so if you're right why does he say edema Bonhams make her she should say till hallelujah advantage la vaque this is Araya that hallelujah belongs to the next chapter a my bottom Smith has advocate on put in the word hallelujah in other words Alleluia belongs to the second chapter which is a contradiction to the prisoner so we're back to square one you explain to me the argument of its advil advil or Advil aha granted but we still have a problem the Mishna said a dame abundance maker he deleted the word hallelujah what does this prove Olivia belongs to the second chapter the feet a man if you want to say the Laurie adenine hallelujah if he just says you say tell hallelujah not gonna know which hallelujah which one it could be many in how enter in how well you have many Alleluias maybe he means you should go all the way till von on average car may activate oil um hallelujah till a half day or maybe he means to go - hi - I'm ki Tov kill em cosna so if he just says hallelujah it's not gonna be clear that's not an answer of a name hallelujah shall a my Bonhams maker he could have said you should say hallo add a ma Bonhams maker hallelujah and now your view would be clear advil advil and hallelujah is part of the first chapter and that would be supported a prisoner he does not say that she's a dame eponymous America which excludes hallelujah which proves the other side so her pisda said I have a clear answer the browser works with me the Mishna works with me the Mishna says add a map on a section that advertises on the mr. an cuz it holds ad the ad McLouth so that's a my bonus America why couldn't you put in the word Allah Luka and the Gomorrah says kasha question it's a question now we go to the second view caliber of wonder material atomic Robert the son of Ramona will answer both the mission and the Bryce according to his reasoning and let's remember he said Alleluia goes on the second chapter right so the the Mishnah worked very very well with them a by Bonham Smith huh yeah and then you'll start hallelujah but say see some women saw him what about the price so the bride's has said you say till boots a seesaw moment sir I am sounds like hallelujah comes in the first chapter he says the coulomb Alleluia rapier everybody holds in the mission and the bride said that I will loo you as the beginning of the second trapped monde armored edema Bonham Smurf a shopper the Tanner of the Mishna says the bish AMA says he said - lame eponymous maker it works very well beautiful why cuz he taka don't say hallelujah advil advil ah you say a my Bonhams may huh you say to lay my bottoms Nathan you don't say well well here goes in the second chapter the problem is man Dahmer advertises row but the view of the braces quotes big family is saying you say till advantageous role know if you say I would say see soil so La Jolla we asked a question why does he say adverts a sister all because he wants to include a hallelujah server why can't he say add a my Bonham Smith I'll explain to you why sober advil advil ow because the bracer holds that when it says odd it excludes and that's why the bride sir has to not do the end of the first and second treble at the beginning of the second and third chapter cuz odd is below alcohol so if we would say add a my bottoms maker would mean nothing eponymous America so he says I would say she stole my mitzrayim not because he wants to exclude Alleluia right not because he wants to and if we didn't say I they my Bonham Smith where our question was the bracer says adverts a system emits right in other words you start off with a bit say say so myself the mission is perfect it says are they my bond America beautiful hallelujah goes to the next the prizes advertises on them it's Ryan it would seem like hallelujah goes in the form eases now hallelujah always goes on the ladder the reason he says Ahmed say Islamic was advil advil ow and if we can say Columbus LA my name I am because I would exclude Columbus for my name I am he says but says and bacillus says Loyola no says the Gemara granted but now we come back to our question similar to the question we asked on a prisoner we're gonna ask on it the name of why don't you just say odd hallelujah pochamma says you say how well tell hallelujah because hallelujah is the beginning of its a seesaw minutes right and you will then know that hallelujah is not part of the Howell because it's Advil or ad McLeod you say tell but he taper the lawyer didn't hallelujah you might say we don't know which hallelujah could be a later Alleluia I'm gonna answer you the name hallelujah Shepard says you say hallo until hallelujah but say seesaw omits right man you got its advil Arabic Lao and you told us we're Alleluias doesn't disprove that hallelujah belongs to the previous chapter to aim abundance maker and that's why don't say hallelujah says but say Cicero which is a proof to the prisoner so the Gemara says kasha a question which means the gomorrah remains with a question on both shittest of the a miriam if they are trying to say that all of the tano um agree with them there is a problem which basically means that of them have a clear proof to say that it couldn't work with all of the Taniya there it seems to be indeed an argument between the two not only under Miriam level also on the million level note what do we do we follow the prisoner right we say machine via carries a bias aim abundance America ha-la-lu yeah including the night of Pesach and we then go but say seesaw emits Ryan but since that look is like basil--oh it's not really relevant to the night of pace us because we go to local Amish Lamine a modem the real question would be according to Bashar my do you say hallelujah before the meal or after the meal but we do it according to both because we say also the second chapter but throughout the whole year whenever we say hello we finished the first chapter with the word hallelujah and then we go to the second chapter it says in psalm in sign which means the halacha is like rap is the not like robber bar of Hoonah which is by the way interesting because rama by ravana would seem to have the support from the text of the Mishnah odd aim abundance maker and histor has the support of the browser which says you start with but say seashore lakorn to be Shama but nonetheless we follow here a piston says the Gomorrah the Mishnah told us when we finish the first part of hallo on the night of Pesach before the meal Haissam Bakula we seal off this part with a blessing for redemption we say Baraka casa milà cana melech haolam asher Galan ooh the garlis always say no mimics ryeom so you should bring us to other holidays and we will bring the car bonus and we finished off Baruch Hashem girl he's wrong that's the broker appointee rakia was a long broker okay national economic ever say me again Alameda Megara Makeda my bomb the krosoczka rights awesome excuse me sasa moving in erectus making my way this era but now whole sermon has welcomed an absurd commercial gear domum al Kim is Mecca Colorado made logical chuckles a knob this National Park at ashram God is wrong as the Gemara we have in our text in our CID there in our calendar in argument item we have different blessings for redemption let's take Sacre's you finish smile right whether you'd avid today ready you soon gonna die of it and how does smile finish I'm near scheme' locate them and then start some blessing doesn't look like it but that's the structure MSV at severe knocking became is really a blessing and it's gonna finish with the words what shirah chadasha ships who google them with shrimp regardless awesome we'll talk about the sheerest i am right and at the end we're gonna say que la no hashem smart is smart kiddo she saw which is a quote from your shia barakatuh sham Gow Easter all we're thanking our Shem for redeeming the Jewish people that's one type of Googler we have a brother for Googler in my roof same thing right we finished crema MSM you know cause I smoke I am Elena me Camila Cabello Martian but K I'm with mimosa key father Seamus yaku Baraka Tasha Gao is wrong we also have a broker for Google aware it's - ray ray neva Nov River of a no-go Lena Mary Lamont smasher Baraka Tasha again it ends with gula there are other brokers about gula much Smith caring issuer boner yerushalayim but here it's the same text right Lelaina milk can get Baraka - young girl you saw you would deem the Jewish people but there's a difference what's the difference call or go Elias y'all so am i Rover Rover says something and he says the night of the say that we say golly straw chakras after Korea Schwabe Forsman Astra GOG is wrong my roof before wash give a know God is wrong suena astra different oh my rava Krish Mahalo after creates my morning and evening and halel you gotta say boy is wrong which is the past did slicer slices Fela during Davin either ish - ray you gotta say bar some guerrillas role in the present present it's happening he redeems the Jewish people my timer why says rava there are Kamini no in the blessings of sway nasara it's Rahman it's asking its beseeching Hashem for compassion and therefore it's not just praising for the past it's beseeching for the present that the present should unfold in the immediate present and the future that's goal is role in other words we're asking us them for redemption to happen in the present from all agony and all suffering we're by the say there and my career Sh'ma it's primarily extolling praise for the past so therefore you say Gul you stroll in the past says the Gemara we have a similar difference when it comes to kiddush very interesting I'm an observer the kedusha how do we say kiddush borrow Qatar shell mother came to Melek Harlem shake who this shinobi Matt's voice a'right let's say Shabbos what'd he say she could his son who he sanctified us for us a bun of a Shabbos cart Rabab over us and in Solano in other words we speak about the past the same is true Yom Tov Asher Bakker Barnum in Colombia Monica lotion Vicky this shinobi mitts voice of it's the past what about so I saw a middle of darvany what do we say Shabbos Alec a novella carrots entertaining a casino catch a newbie mitzvah Sarah in the future the same is true yom tov catch a mazurka my timer once again there are many new middle of Schwinn astra we're not just thanking you our shaker - ah no we're asking car - anima Tricia I'm in Ibaka biography by Jakob said Vitosha you ask you it's yes miss Ryan bikini Shyam you have to mention the exodus of Egypt and middle of kiddush of Shabbos on yom tov whether you're making kiddush on the wine or you're making Kadesh under burning you should say it's yes mitzrayim why cause Kasim Hawk had says here by the night of pacer lamont ischium says commencement sir I am okay awesome it says by Shabbos Zachary say my Shabbos Lakota so UTS mizrahim is called Shabbos is soccer so therefore this Xavier Shaba teaches me that the spirit of EC is mr. I am should also be inserted copy and paste into kiddush of Shabbos and yom tov you compare it to you saying my dominic but it also our work it's a form of follow because we're remembering yeah I believe so yeah yeah so you say say Phil ets mr. I am also in Kadesh because the tisca of ETS miss Ryan becomes connected with the soccer of Yama Shabbos Laconte so the kiddush also of Shabbos yontiff has a net the sphericity yes miss Ryan that's the hidden of Rebecca bar Yaakov which we'll see more details with God willing as we continue have a wonderful day this class is brought to you by the achieve Annette please help us continue the classes make even a small contribution at triple w dot they ueshiba net / donate