Pesachim 116b - Does the Blind Person Say the Haggada?

the yeshiva dotnet half-cooked si anomic base we finished the Commissioner yesterday long mission of REM Gamliel Pesach Matsumoto and the beholder Vader and there were fish hawks and the Howell and the blessing at the end of the Hagaddah of saying that huh god am i robber robber says when you tell the story of ETS parents are sure you have to quote Apothic and this park is a safe and very empathic Volvo Ison Oh Hoyt see Meecham it's I think it matches vasana you tell your child that vasana white see me some he took us out from there from Egypt LeMond xavier son or losses loan OS our assertion is Bolivar sainthood to bring us to the land then he he swore to give to our forefathers us the end of the plastic in other words rubber is bringing a pasta that you should say that says Valley Sano he took us out of there inconsistent consistent with what the mission has said that b'chol dor vador Kiev Adam Lee Royce's answer makyla Watson women something in every generation a person has to experience himself as leaving Egypt so raava is giving another source the mission itself gave a source vague additive in Cabaye mo lamer by versa awesomely but they seem in material but rather adds another source for a sauna White's emission in addition to what the mission assess why does it rather have to add another paw stuck what's wrong with the pasta they got Nutella vinegar by Emma who lame herbivorous like why does rather have to add a second source so the mushroom say because the first source you can argue that it's not an obligation for all the generations because the first sources and partisan boy so moistu is speaking of to the Jews who left Egypt and he's saying if we gather to live in car by in my lamer when you go in taxes role you're going to tell you Charlie when your child is gonna ask you what are you doing you even not even if he doesn't ask you told you some avoids our assembly but say see Taysom materia and even if it's Marshman that you wanted Tara to stroll it could still be people who were under 20 I think they were under 20 when they left Egypt when they left Egypt so they didn't die in the desert so they can actually be part of those who went in to Eretz Israel but here it's in Paris vests Kannan it's the last week's of moistures life he's talking about people who are going in terror sister all the generations and artists are all he speaks about those who get the land so from here it's more indicative that he's speaking about the Jews who did not leave Egypt themselves and also this spa sac is an answer to the question maha a deserve our hook of Amish bottom which is a question throughout all the generations so could be that's why you're over and this positive a son would say my uncle had said later aunt IRA and it's more proof that it's speaking about later generations including responding to a question of later generations so that's why Rover adds this passive voice unalloyed see Michele how you disappear just like if you don't experience it is that something hi so that's you know his experience of I guess sometimes maybe in the mitzvahs themselves this is the way to do it just affect you the Saffir yeah I think am i robber robber said Matt SATs are clogged beer we learnt in the mission you have to explain the reasons for Pesach matzah murder so robbers says let me tell you how do you do this you have to actually lift up the matzah and show it to the people when you say matzah zhushan o alemão sama you have to pick up the matzah and show it to the people and the reason is there are bomb says to show it and to make the mitzvot beloved in their eyes so you lift up the mats like to make it more precious to give it that preciousness mah roots are a hug BIA when you say Maura recession oil emotion ma lift up the martyr and show it to yourself and to others Buster ain't sorry flog me yet today when we say pace on the Pacer that they used to eat at the time of them a Simon - why would they eat it because of the concept of our sham leaping over their homes he says don't lift up the piece of meat which we call this area the little gargle don't lift it up when you explain the Pesach why because you can't say pesos eshaan oil because it's not the carbon basic sound like the matzah and the murder it's the mats and them are here it's just a commemoration but lawyer eat furthermore not only should you not your now lad OLS shanira critical consumer hoods if you do pick it up it may appear as though you eating a carbon you're eating a sacrifice cotton which are components outside of the base on McNish in other words if I lift up my little gargle when I explain the myths of a carbon pacer it could appear that I'm saying this is the carbon pacer in other words as though this meat was sanctified when it was alive as a carbon pacer that means I actually slaughtered car bonus I slaughtered a carbon outside of those are outside of the masonic dish which is absolutely prohibited and now I'm eating I'm eating the carbon outside of the base I make a dish so that is a big problem so not only shouldn't you could it's not the Pesach but it's it has a wrong appearance that's what the Raj bomb says not only can't you say peso sir but if you pick it up there are bombs words are near it Kamisha Moctezuma hampton miss i am la pacer it looks like he puts in a little bit different that you're now say you said you sanctified you you mocked as you sanctified your behavior when it was a lie for the carbon Pacer no then you're good if you bring the carbon pesach on the Hara bias by the MS Bayer know that you don't have to say or klava say no then pastor session if you would breathe the carbon basics than anything you know have a problem but Rover is talking about the time they didn't bring the carbon-based there are opinions that you could theoretically you could bring the carbon pace of today because the Rambam says that you could be macit of carbon is even without a base on McNish as long as you have an altar and you know where the place of the altar is so you could sprinkle the blood you're allowed to be at makarov and since if most people are Tommy you're allowed to do with bitola because to mohabbat sibour so then theoretically you could be macro the carbon-based of Abbas Manas at least according to many opinions throughout history there were Jews who try to galvanize a weirdness and try to bring the carbon base that had never materialized you had one of the Mallya toys remain you heal me pireas who tried to do that yeah in our generation you still have people every carbon every face that they try to do it but the point is that theoretically according to many posts come you can do it yeah even if this tumor and even though there's no base on mikdash but no we want to explain so we say Pesach Oslo of a sane abyss man show me some vectors so Rover says when you do that don't pick up the piece of meat humming ibaka by a Cobra Baffler the son of Jakob said fascinating halakhah Sumer Potter Molloy murmur Haggadah a blind person is exempt from saying the Haggadah we'll see in a moment fascinating fascinating Allah he has no Mitzvah to tell the story to say the Haggadah he could of course but his partner he's exempt now let's give the background here one of the tellurium rabbi yehuda has a schita that a blind person is Potter from all mitzvahs that's the view of rabbi yehuda that Asuma is not maleva mitzvahs that's our famous Shiva hoodlum a sector Baba kama nabiyev is learning enough pay Zion that asuma's Potter from all the mitzvahs however most of the poisk in Halle quickly reject the view of Rebbe you Hoda and believe that generally a blind person is obligated in most mistress of the Taira the question here is is the blind person obligated to tell the story of ets Mariah that's the finish of her box that even if you believe that a blind person is most human all the mitzvahs whether it's fill in or Shabbos or census or every not only a mitzvah he's Potter from saying the Haggadah why listen to his source seahawk when it comes to the story of ETS miss Ryan the POSIX says in parishes boy the gada to Levin from by Yahoo lamer I'm reading the whole Bostic bobbers air awesome limits hmm it's aria you should tell your son that because of this Hashem did for me what he did for me when he took me out of mitzrayim the literal interpretation of this passage according to Rashi and Hamas ba versa because of this because of the carbon pacer because of the Matteson because of the morrow yeah because of these things aweso Hashem Hashem did so much for me when he took me out of Egypt all the miracles and all of the salvation but the term that's used this by versa because of this oak sieve Hussam it says there what's there there is partial ski Sates a B'nai newsy this son our son this son of ours this son of ours mala I want prattle sermon of can practice just as in that case it excludes the blind here to the blind are excluded now this Gemara is very brief and cryptic what is the Gemara talking about the answer is we're talking about the case you remember where bananas as the case of a Ben Sawyer amira which is that fascinating case in partial ski states a known as a way war wayward rebellious child then siren oh my sir is a child who's wayward he goes off and Mayer is rebellious what's the case the posse tells us the scenario the fascinating and shrub lling scenario of a young boy in the first months it's only the first months after he becomes my Mitzvah the timespan of a Ben Sira mayor is extremely limited right you can't be a child a minor you can't be an adult either so it's not much the first few months after my Mitzvah who steals money from his father his gluttonous in eating meat eats enormous amounts of meat drinks crazy amounts of wine with a lot of other conditions than the Gemara master son had in the patron bansuri remoter discusses first his parents have to speak to him and rebuked him then they have to warn him in front of two witnesses he has to accept the warning and then it still betray them if that happens you come to Bezdek of three judges and there's lashes if he still continues so then the parents bring him to a court of 23 people and if all the conditions are met he is stoned he's stoned to death now for the conditions to happen it is so complicated that the gamora says in son hundred Ben Sarah Merrell Ohio Volodya it never was and never will be for example they have to say Binet knows Esther amira this son of ours who the cerumen a nano show mayor mikhail a new he's not listening to our voice in the Gemara from this that their voices have to be identical the voice of the Honda voice and their wife have to be identical with another endless conditions also father and mother both want the child to be stoned to death right okay if at any moment they say forget it it's all over now when we look at the Mitzvah today this is just in parentheses it's good to know it's a very difficult Mitzvah to deal with even if you say it never happened it's irrelevant it never happened but it's like you do have to understand though I don't know if it answers all the questions but I think it's an important comment that people don't realize when this was written today we look at it and we're like what if this was written three and a half thousand years ago everybody would go WOW why because it's hard for us to imagine in America the 21st century parents had absolute right over their children you didn't like your son and you came from a pagan house you could kill your son without consequences you could kill your daughter you could kill your child just like you could kill your slave just like women were like a piece of real estate children were a piece of real estate you own your child what the plastic was saying was something revolutionary your child could be the worst child in the world stealing all your money putting your house on fire destroying your life there's no such a thing you decide to kill your child you're taking your child to a court there's a system of law people don't realize that the value of that putting it in context that was a revolutionary idea you don't own your child it already comes back to the story of that kinda slaughtering your child's for a god everybody did that most pagan deities demanded slaughter of children to tell God to tell everyone give me your son of course all the gods did that in this case God said and now let me teach you something your son is not yours your son belongs to me and I'm telling you to take him and that the killer so the point of Ben Sira murder was you can decide to kill your child now we think of it who would want to kill their child well I know some parents but the point is we don't even understand the the bloody culture that they lived it so Ben Sira murder actually represented a major advancement in the culture of the time practically speaking it never happened in Jewish circles because for parents to do this they got to be insane and if they were insane they're not they're disqualified her mother to say kill my child she's probably a meshuggenah right or a psychopath or has some other serious challenges she's crazy we have parents who kill their children we know who they are I mean we have we have those stories in the news and then they would be disqualified one of the hollow cases if any one of them is blind it can't be a Bensouda reminder why because it says been a new zest so Amaya and Zaire we translate this something that you can point to and say this but if they can't see they can't say been a newsie there's an expression like the Gemara says Myra beds boy volume is that you can point with your finger and say this but if the person is blind they're talking about it in abstractions huh even later so that's the halacha so that's why it says it says bananas air so just like over there when it says that excludes the blind says about her here by it seen by the Haggadah what is it saving gotta live in summer you were her lamer before Z so therefore we say it also excludes the blind so somebody is blind he can't say by over Z assembly Betemit Suraiya because of this and therefore he's Potter from the Haggadah was okay Tatia and smell yeah and in fact their sense their other senses are more powerful than the other so the miry tights is the Gemara that the blind person can't say Bob who is there for this pesach for this matza for this murder right Mike Robert just said you have to pick it up and show it but he can't pick him and he could pick it up but he can't point his finger and say this in terms of his own experience I mean he could point to other people but in terms of his own experience that's how the media explained it so therefore the market says he's putted from saying the Haggadah still kinda serious ah no he's not yeah that's he's not he's Potter he's Potter yeah he's butter yeah just like the parents have to be able to point to their finger and say is there so here too we learned out the rash mom says it's Xavier shovel literally says you learn out that it's auxiliary shovel that here too or so much Potter other restrain him say it's not much Xavier Java rather that's what the fiduciary her are abandoned of it says but just like we see that the sawzall used Adso to interpret it this way so here we should also interpret it that way even without Xavier shovel but that's what the Z represents but this needs Havanna like is there a logic here is it just especially if it's not Xavier Java it says elver there that they can't be blind because they have to say bene newsa it would be a strange concept that causal are comparing saying the Haggadah to a Ben Sira murder I don't know if this is the case but I'm just gonna suggest something that I thought about may be true maybe not true a misshapen body what's the point that they have to have the same voice what is this a joke you and your wife have the which husband and wife have the same voice which makes it impossible so why are you giving a whole Locker that's never gonna happen and you make a condition that's impossible because no husband and wife have the same voice it's impossible theoretically it's possible so what's the point the point is the Gemara says the reason that the Gemara that the tyrant gives us event ceremonies Genosha for kabul stock learn it and you will Seve reward what type of reward will you receive shrimp Shinra father says you will receive the reward of understanding education here is a classic example for this if a husband and a wife don't share the same voice you can't call him a Ben Sira murder if a couple is fragmented for couple is fighting if he has his agenda she has her agendas and doing the child children feed off fragmentation and a marriage everybody knows this and if you don't know this you have to know this a husband and a wife who live in different universes and they fight with each other and they have all of it they could have disagreements but if they don't reach a comment they will have disagreements it's a Jewish husband and a Jewish wife but if they won't reach a place of resolution of unity of love don't call the child a rebellious child the child is growing up in a home that needs help the marriage needs help when there is strife in a marriage it affects the children that's the way it is it's sad but that's the way it is so that's a very deep idea in education but here we see another idea I would suggest they have to be able to see their child it's not just seeing with your physical eyes if you don't see your child don't call the child - Ben Sira murder there's parents who have children growing up in their home but they never looked at them I don't mean they never looked at them physically they never looked at them emotionally they don't know their childís they don't tune into them they don't understand them they don't see that if you don't see your daughter if you don't see your son if you don't see their heart their soul their mind what they're going through you can't call them a bansuri reminder they never had somebody to look into them look in with a real look with through through the lent to through real lenses to see what's going on that's the idea oh so the camera is now saying something very deep the whole point of of this huh god this to tell the story to your child the only way you can tell the story to your child is if you see your child if you don't see your child you can't tell the story to your child sometimes we sit down pacer we're gonna do the Haggadah no no no before you do that God that you have to see your child you gotta tune into the soul of your child if not you're not in this position you just can't do it so there's no obligation on you that may be one way of understanding this because this connection with been circulator it's a very very difficult difficult idea tabasum active form all the mitzvahs he found been so tremendous oh now we're gonna find now we're gonna do the same thing in the Haggadah but I think that's what he's saying something very very profound about education there's no education without zeth if I can't point my finger to my child and say this is what I'm dealing with this is who my child is I can't tell them the story which is an extraordinary idea when it comes to China it's never about me expressing myself it's about me communicating not at my child but to my child and to communicate to my child I have to see the person and I have to see all the parts of the person my eyes have to be wide open I can't close my eyes and educate you don't educate with closed eyes you educate with open eye sometimes we want to close our eyes it's more comfortable but then it's not education I'm living in my own world my child is living in his world now sometimes it's painful so we close our eyes because we don't want to see the reality but that's not similar so you can't say that how God that there's no obligation if your eyes are not open sometimes I think Helen Keller right she was blind and deaf and she said what's worse than being blind is having sight but no vision she said that's the only thing that's worth worse than not having eyesight says people have eyesight but no vision so that's part of it people that children do that right in the mid why there was a person that was killed from acacia shades it was not easy to get a death penalty entire the Gemara stood with admission to chosen son head and son hendren at a son head that killed once in 70 years were called terrorists the chef's to her aid of it silhouette it was very hard to get the dead it was very hard to get lashes all the punishments it was almost impossible the conditions are crazy besides all of these conditions with the parents just witnesses you have to have witnesses they warn you before you do it they see you doing it that's not enough they have to warn you and then it's not enough that they warn you they have to tell you the exact consequences in detail and it's not enough you have to respond you have to respond to them that you understood you have to repeat them them what they said and then within three seconds you have to do it and if you do it ten seconds later we say oh he probably forgot it was unless you really wanted to get a punishment it was almost impossible and if you really want it was probably because you're crazy which means you also want to get punished it was very very it was very difficult to get some of these punishments but we still need an explanation for the punishments because they are pretty severe and there were cases they happen we know that the were cases that happened so that's what Rumaki teaches us Asuma is Potter molera God the because of the Balfour's am hugging the Gemara a knee here's a fascinating question Amy it's not true for my Mary my Mary Hamer said she'll T Nolan Ivana the baby I serve I asked the rabbi is the students of the Shiva of Rabbi Yosef Rob Youssef was blind so I asked their opponent the sages the rabbi's who learned by Ruby I said man Omar a God Eater babe Yusuf who said that God a God it is the Haggadah who said that God in the house of reverse of on Pesach our marui they told me you know be ISIF rabbi yosef said the Haggadah in his house Mihrimah continued man Amara gathered Abeyta precious I went to the students of the precious who did Pesach with him and I said who said the Haggadah now some trade negotiations was also somebody who couldn't see um who they said reputation reputation said the Haggadah but the base of innovations couldn't see and if you tell me that rim asked about Yaakov is right that a blind post person is exempt from telling the story of each see Spencer I am how can the students fulfill their obligation of telling the story by listening to that goddamn rabbis different approaches the claw is that somebody can read the Haggadah you see clearly from this story not everybody read the Haggadah cuz then the students should have said who read everybody read like in your house everybody will have time what they said they said Ruby I see friend appreciation is read now we have a principal and our locker Coldstream mayor coin I'm saying that God and you're listening to me it says though you yourself are saying that huh good right just like by the Megillah right one person reads the Megillah you don't have to say the Megillah you could listen to the words of the Megillah and it says no you yourself said the Megillah the same is true with hallo the same is true with benching the same is true if it is a Muslim and the same is true with different broca's show maiya Korena the same is true with the Haggadah I tell the story you listen and it says no you're telling the story but the clown is when does Treme occur in a work only if the person doing it is obligated in the Mitzvah if I'm obligated in the midst of it like you so by me saying it and you listening to me it's like you fulfilling the Mitzvah but if I'm not obligated to do them it's when I say it then you can't fulfill the Mitzvah this way so all the students are abusive interpretations didn't fulfill the Mitzvah obviously the abusive interpretations wouldn't want that to happen so this means there Ibaka by jakub is wrong that they saw themselves as obligated to tell the story and that's why they could read the Haggadah and everybody could fulfill their obligations through listening to the story based informations give all the question miramar asks on Ibaka the son of Yaakov showing that both of us have a new precious both blind and the great experts on these helices because they experienced it disagreed with his proposition so the Gemara says no cause sovery rabona fascinatingly perhaps the baka will tell you these rabbis rubio's different appreciations belief mats abysmal Asura bonham they hold unlike many other opinions that Matson nowadays is also rabbinic and if Matz's rabbinic then the story of UTA Smith sir I am telling the story would also be only or have been a complication now this is a fascinating view what is what does this view believe the tyrus says about the carbon pesachim parshas boy you should eat the flesh of the carbon pacer together with matzah and martyr we learned earlier that mara today is there a bond on because he's supposed to eat tomorrow with a carbon basis we're not have a carbon basis anymore there's no mid sum of murder mats are though many hold is very nice because the Toyota says elsewhere you should eat mats on the night of pace of independent of the carbon base but you can also argue that since the Toyota does say eat the carbon pace have together with matzo so it means that the only way your muscle you've to eat the carbon mats matsa is feeding with the carbon base and when the toyota says else would eat matza it doesn't have to specify the obvious that it has to be with the carbon base according to this today when you can't be marked with the carbon pacer there's no Mitzvah to eat mara but there's also no Mitzvahed eat matzah because the Torah says eat matzah with the carbon pacer if you don't of a cup and pay sir I don't have much just like today I don't have a sea of carbon basis because I don't have a based on Viktor sure none of them is mayor right so I don't have a few of on a circle on a path to Hartmann there's no base--emitter she need to be somebody don't be something there's no covering basic well once a very good very good very good okay so the gomorrah tynus that rebel sifrin appreciations holt perhaps that Maxim is Manasa is there are bonham we're gonna see many disagree and the halacha we say that mats abyss Manas Esmond our Toyota not madeira Bona Marius Madeira bond but this is a view now if there's no fee of to eat matzah today the Gomorrah is suggesting there's also no heave to tell the story of ETA Smits rhyme why there's a line in the Haggadah you may be you may remember this it's a paragraph that's very easy not everybody on the stand sets we start your home Iroquois - you remember y'all read it means perhaps we should do all of this on restrain - why are we waiting till Peyser interesting question well you can always say why do we do it two weeks earlier sure it's not enough to do it um pace I have to start - okay Talmud Lamar by Yahoo they got a television by Yuri mewho that's Pesach eBay Yahoo Yahoo me but I do him do it in the afternoon when your Mac with a compass Talmud Lamar ba versa we got a television by mo layman by visa lawyer Mariela Bashar sheesh Matt tsurumaru Menachem leuphana when do you tell the story when you could say there's a valve or is there matzah when is the matzah murder in front of you at night because you eat the matter with the carbon pay stuff in tomorrow with the carbon based the term doesn't say tainted by day you don't eat matzah might they eat nights at night Mary of Teck LaMotte says if so what do we see from here that to tell the story you need the props which props matzah murdered but if bats are modern I'm not an obligation military day you don't got the props if you don't got the props you know after tell the story that would be the view that the Gemara is suggesting for the bi sifrin appreciation is since you don't have the props of matzah and martyr cuz you don't have the carbon-based props I'm using the word props when you get the point since you don't have the physical items you can't tell the story in other words you can't tell the story without the physical illustrations doesn't count a story could never be made up of words the story has to be made up of actions right we don't believe in don't don't do what I say don't do what I do right we don't believe in that do what I say don't do what I do you're familiar with that that approach you have to have the matzah in the motor but you don't have the matzo tomorrow because we're not Toyota there's no much anymore so if an attorney there's no matter anymore so Cypriots Eastman I am is also out so that means that today there's no Mitch I'm gonna tell you tell the story saya the whole Mitzvah is only rabbinic they say eat matzah eat martyr and tell the story with the perhaps which are rabbinic not biblical that would be a gavel the knish another reason for this is the Gemara said before the posture calls matzah let him Amy why let him oniy so the Gemara said earlier Sock'em cooked s love because let him shall join him a loved varam high-bay it's the bread on which you declare many words only from the word ina like oh you know i mean the the bread on which you answer you declare you utter many words in other words it's to let him that triggers the Uyuni the omnia if there's no lack m there's no oniy so these two sources from himesh might indicate that the Cypriot serious miss Ryan is completely dependent on matzah and murderer and which are dependent on paisa and therefore the whole thing this would be thereupon if that's the case so WIC for an appreciation could do the Haggadah why because when they're saying the Haggadah they're not fulfilling a biblical obligation if they would be trying to fulfill a biblical obligation would be a problem because they're potter so the students wouldn't be to the Mitzvah but since it's only a rabbinic obligation and if that's a rabbinic obligation they're equal to the regular person who's not blind cuz the rabbi's could obligate them just like a regular person so therefore and they're above the Mitzvah the students could be Yosef from Nabil - operations that's the answer cuz sovereign are born on matzah bisman azor there are born on and if it's their abondon then everything changes cause the gomorrah says the difference between a blind person and an irregular person is only when there was a base on mcdu that everybody was Masoli of madurai sir in Cypriot seus Messiah and the blind person unfortunately was exempt so for abusive looting the time of the base I make this he couldn't say the how God if everybody else because they wouldn't fulfill the mitzvot why cuz they're obligated biblically and he's only obligated rabbinic Lee so there's no show me a coin but since Bismol now is that everybody is exact so when the hazael made a mitzvah to tell the story they included everybody equally so suddenly the person who can't see has now the same status like the regular person if so rep your interpretations are obligated with the same Mitzvah like their students if so they could say that how God the students listen and shamea coin so this explains Raboy stuffs behavior it explains inflatius behavior yet you're a boxer argued with this robot has said that a summa is Potter now after did a little the time of the Mesa mr. robot who lived after the core Mesa mixes sir Ibaka felt that even today the blind person is putnams in Nebraska is not telling us our walking about then he doesn't say then he says it for now that means of Aqaba Yaakov argues right but we didn't answer the question moraine were asked to give all took a question how did abusive friend appreciations say the Haggadah of their exam and the Gemara answered because it's only material bond and if it's only but they're abundant they believe that they could say the Huggett attack in the time of the based on McNish Nabokov Ayako may be right and therefore they would not say that God today it's only rabbinic Roboto by yak of himself what is he old MacLeod what are we see from here Nabokov a yak of silver matzah bisman hazard Oh rice you have to say the back of a Yaakov holds that mat sir today is minute later so the Mitzvah of Cypriots yes mr. I am is awesome entertainer and that's why he holds that even today the blind person is exempt because it's not a rabbinic commit spits of biblical myths and biblically they're exempt like he said before is that which abrasive interpretations would agree with them at the time of the based on ministers they just hold that today it's not for a minute it's not biblical it's rabbinic but he holds even today it's bream it's biblical so if it's biblical their status didn't change they're still exempt biblically and if they're exempt biblically they can't be 8 sir the students with the Haggadah that's what we have to say is there much like us because the midst of a quarter of market continues today too so he simply insist Messiah is today too and therefore he says that soon as the blind person can't say it CSM it's Ryan because it says barber is there so therefore they cannot abuse ofrenda precious cannot be might see their Tommy them with the Haggadah flag the Gemara but you can't say this yeah just like this Amish a new more or safer lamech douche they could do this also they Allah make this yeah it's a new Tacoma yeah practicum are ever tobacco by Yahoo Tom my masterless Mahadev on on it was a action by Yaakov who is the one who says later him suck and of cough cough that matzo Miss Manners Adira born on if your basket says master Miss Manners at a rabona so the cipro VC's which time is also the hapana so why would the basket by Yaakov argue if the basket by Yaakov would hold this man has asthma not tired very good smack but he's the one who agrees with this that Cypriot system asylum today is Madrid are born and if it's been there are born are so then you could say the rabbi's made attic on the whole tacones Madeira Bona if the older Connors with the Rabanne and it can include the regular person and the person who can't see in the same way because it's only rabbinic because it depends on the carbon paste yeah yeah even though there's a possible area of total lamotte's as they say that that suppose that that takes into consideration your knowledge already that it depends on the carbon based on because there's another posture that ties them together vocalist a possible i la SATs liege how matzah Semiramis o'clock marches total of shimmer some is not an obligation you don't have to eat matzah for seven days that's if you want to eat bread you now let eat hummus you gotta eat matzah the obligation is only the first night it says but one more pasta but area of toys romances that's the key but area of total matters they would hold that PASOK is only with the carbon base if not you don't have a mitzvah its rabbinic in nature I could see she was young you can see that still go right if you're gonna do it if you're gonna do it but no obligation at the Seder to eat matzah if carbs are not good for me I don't want any much I wanted comments I wanted mats I'll eat vegetables I'll eat cucumbers answers the Gemara cassava Ibaka holes called the tickler a bond on Cain dairy rice a tickle whenever the rabbi's instituted something they tried to model it in the same fashion like Toyota model that therefore just like in the time of the base of victors the blind person is exempt from saying that how God when the rabbi's initiated a new Mitzvah after the destruction of the may something that they modeled in the same fashion so they also said that a blind person doesn't have to say that God so therefore the beautiful new precious wouldn't be able to say the Haggadah because they will not allow their students to fulfill the rabbinic obligation because they're not obligated even rabbinical II so even though the common in is were innovative and they were maja - I see of to tell the story bisman Isaiah they did not include somebody who can't see because called the tickle Rabanne on Cain derisive tickle so that's the case I also holds its rabbinic but he says even though it's rabbinic it's not today for a blind person it's only for a person who could see just like then it wasn't for a blind person and therefore abuse if interpretations would actually argue with them they would say that what that it is for a blind person that's why they could say the Haggadah so that's where the Gemara says according to this release if interpretations hold that the rabbi's change the mitzvot so the Gomorrah continues with obsessions little Yusef Nami Hvar they called the tickler bond and came to hear.i saticon it's obvious that even an abyss origins would agree with this principle then when the rabbi's made a mitzvah they tried to follow the model of the rice because they're not trying to make a new a new religion they're trying to what's the point of all these mitzvahs that they're making rule of take Lola free I mean I try to you only have to shake a little of the first day of circus outside of the Masonic [Music] why do we shake a little of seven days we never did this the answer is if you're them exactly after the hormone wanted it should be a memory for the base--emitter so that's why he did it so they always tried to model it according to the midsummer night Ida so the basis of adaptations would agree with this principle this is a universal principle in Judaism but here we see they don't because in the time of the base some victors the blind man was exempt or woman and these days the blind person became obligated why would the rabbi's add a new feature that didn't exist in the midsummer night ater the bath is right and yet to be of foreign appreciation is disagree Varia they said the Haggadah and everybody was Yoichi from their Haggadah so we have our problem so maybe it was misunderstanding oh and for the Gemara we're going to retract our position we try to reconcile abusive and appreciations with Rumaki we try to say that a very stiff interpreters really hold like you're asking the time with the based on McNish but today their opinion change not because their opinion change but because the circumstances changed and it's only rabbinic Marisa's no no no there is a fundamental disagreement because if they would hold a career back in the time of the Masonic nurse they would hold like him also on the time of exile because the rabbis always make their mitzvot scaned or I select IRA so you have to say that they are fundamentally in disagreement with Roberta they believe that even in the time of the temple a blind person is obligated with the same mitzvot like everybody else and therefore today the blind person is obligated rabbinic ly like everybody else nothing changed then it was for everybody and today it's for everybody then it was midnight earlier today was that's what they hold this would explain why they said the Haggadah in their house because they fundamentally disagree with Reebok I we have a problem rabhasa brought us a good source Ziza so that's what the Gemara addresses right now you see the Gomorrah skips over this preliminary point that's how the Gemara works you like have to get to the point so that's why I gave this introduction now the Gomorrah gets to the point what's the point the point is to refute or at least challenge Ibaka's foundation he hostile are you comparing been sir Emira to to yitzy estimate sir I am after he asked her could you compare Finnish lame awesome over there mid the Harvard Ayla Mr benét knew who grammatically the posture could have said Binet know who saw her Amira our son he is a sailor O'Mara Lucas's been a newsie instead it uses an awkward language bonanza this guy our son or our son this Sh'ma me no prattler subdued aza so that's superfluous instead of who is obviously teaching me that we want to exclude a blind parent because been a nosy is this this child of a haka but here the love barbarism my lifteth if not for this Z what should it say you can't say bahu assembly with tasting him something that wouldn't work there is no exchange there's no substitute for this so therefore he can't use this Z to exclude the blind person Ella rather the PASOK is telling us what we should tell our child that before Matt Samara Hadassah before Matt Samara dasa it came for the maps and more like Rashi says in humans before is there because of Matt's and more before is there because of this us our Shamli would say C mister alien Hashem did what he did for me when he took us out of material or as the rush bomb puts it here before is there who the us that like imagine it would say Z before Bob were there before sure Oh Sasha I believe it says mister I'm doing this because of what Hashem did for me when I took out of Miss Ryan in other words is there everything I'm doing it's not by voice and because of this he took me out of it's time that's what Rashi says and so much another way of learning in here is just what the rush mom says they're all of this all of this is Barbara's because of what I sham did for me when they took me out of Egypt mother I'm trying to commemorate ugh mister so that's the Z Z Z is just the natural way of describing what you wanted to scroll therefore it's not a pellets not a strange thing and therefore there's no limit prattle assuming and therefore they fundamentally disagree with Reb acabar with Rebecca biryukov so that's a good question so if you look in the Roger bomb the last rush bomb before the Mishnah you see before max amaru dasa Lacock any oil matte so more is a colossal imitation I'm sorry I'm eating matte so Mario to commemorate what was done for me when I left my tribe in other words air I'm doing all this by war because of what are some did interpretations with abuse Xavier shovel like gum REE Xavier shovel usually is a tradition you heard from your dabba they never got this Xavier shovel from their teacher so therefore they don't have a source to exclude the blind person for matrices in previous minister I am and indeed that's the locker that lock is that a blind person is high of in the midst of the Haggadah not like remarkable Yosef but like reveals different appreciation so that's what the rush bomb says that it was Xavier Sava and they never they never got they never got this right so some say that we know that there's certain words that were made for 0sh of us but we don't necessarily know what Xavier Chavez so that's what the rash bomb obviously learns it was Xavier shavon they never heard his area shava and they don't see a reason to make the kaziri shava and therefore they rejected it right right that's what it seems like I should just add that the fiduciary I run it have been heard of would say that rub after didn't learn this from Xavier shovin they don't understand this game or as Xavier Java because Xavier Sava you can actually learn even if one of the words is not superfluous they Rishabh even if a word is not open it's not unnecessary it's not excessive you could still use Xavier Chavez so therefore even if you say Bob or zest talking about the mats and the martyr you would still be able to use it for Xavier shava so therefore there wouldn't be a rejection for him ashley here so therefore the round if you do shy around and i've been heard of it both of these were shown and don't believe it's xavier shava they hold that up after just used the bent sri ramana as a paradigm just as a comparison that just like the words L where they're excludes the blind so independently the words they hear the way you have to interpret it is by Forza to exclude the blind in other words it's not Xavier Chavez answer but it's just using the Z independently here based on what we learned over there and a precious and abusive therefore are you and they say absolutely not this is a here is not superfluous and there's no need to take this air and to put it into and to put it at that context it's not like this over there which is superfluous that's how the ROM learns that it's not even a concept of of Xavier Java maybe to add a little bit based on what we said before that of Africa by Yaakov was basically using the Zeb and Sarah murder as an idea that he tried to apply here to the sipper of ETS miss Ryan just like over there if you can't see your child you can't declare him a bansuri room IRA because you don't see your child here also not and they argue with that and they say there's no need to propose that kiddush over here and I should just add that the Miri he says a very interesting point he says the basket by Yaakov holds the above or is M means you have to point in the matzo in the motor because you have to point to the matzo and the martyr therefore assume a can point because he can't see so therefore he cannot do the Haggadah because you have to be able to point physically to the matzo and the murder your patience in Tiberias halt you don't need to be able to physically point to the maths and amaru the max and amar are in front of you you can touch them like you said you could lift them up you feel a blind person's sense of touch is actually more developed than a person who sees a blind person sense of smell is more developed generally a blind person's other senses are more acute we know that because the the brain tries to compensate for the void for the lack so therefore when you say Bob or Zelalem rtlm basha shmatte so more knock him with Winnetka well nothing of anaka doesn't mean you see it means it's there you can touch it you could pick it up you can show it to the people and therefore you makind above orsa by a bet Sarah my bananas they would say means you have to be able to point to your son and say this is the child over there yeah he says Bob who is there here the concept is enough to see the mats and the morrow you just have to have the mats and the Maurya and you could touch them and you can feel them and therefore they completely disagree with rubato and that's where the Gemara concludes that's why they said the Haggadah it wasn't a problem even if they hold that today it's rabbinic it's not an issue because just like military to assume as obligated Rabbinical he also assumed as obligated and therefore they could say the huh god-like opinion of Bingen ah via paradigm with same thing same thing just different words since over there yet another word and yeah there's not always same word oh so that's what right so in other words the Gomorrah the Juarez point is that there's no reason to say in here it's not an extra word right but this rule that same word very Sheva doesn't have to have a logic it's just that the same word so doesn't matter whether they're game yeah it's not it's the same right yeah yeah what is trying to say though it's not yeah of course over there it's it's because here that you need the word just to give you the context on the PASOK like don't turn it into a whole source of a new limo over there the words as an awkward word right said whoo it should've been a new who sir I might actually morph more fluid before you could learn so Z is like doesn't really belong there if we could learn it but you can't because here he says yes this is the right word to say ah so that's what Duran asks he says that the Voort is that a bastion of a luxurious lover about who was just using Z as a paradigm yeah and the Russian bomb says that they pushed never heard it said they weren't obligated by yeah smoke locusts rush bomb and they robbed yes right right right right someone asked the one of the right right there was no carbon pace if there's no matzah there was a carbon pace as though the second year when they left the first anniversary of pace saw had a carbon pace but that year they had why wouldn't they have matzah I mean cuz there was no grain because there was no grain you mean because they were in a desert there was no grain unless they came out with fly hair it says saaremaa Morris says that they made on the manna Brock I might say welcome inertia Maya even though Broca's la jolla came from a tree classes a granola the separate discussion so there are many final rites I might say lucky Menasha Maya okay remember panel Rubino 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