Pesach: Who Wrote the Haggadah? 10 Electrifying Approaches

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thought i like i i hit right you know the extent of what's available to and then this year besides and uh with the help of some khabarim we uncovered another nine approaches to the authorship of the haggadah show so you could work on something your whole life and you think after you uncover a little bit oh well i really got this subject and then you realize you haven't even begun to scratch the surface so that's what the subject of tonight's share is who is the author of haggadah i'm sure you're going to hear many of the very terrible pesach your kids are going to come home with the ray torah camacho's stories stories that never happened stories that will happen one day stories that will never happen gamachos that don't work comachios that do work gamaches that never worked but who the author of the haggadah is that is always shrouded in mystery and let us begin with number one and that is the haggadah show pesach and he basically says this compendium the haggadah that's found in every jewish home was compiled and composed and redacted by the baal hagadah who is the baal nobody has any idea and it says rashaab but we know he lived in the times of the goynim okay that's the first shot right as real the first shot is that the author of the haggadah is the baal hagada you know it's like when you have a zemer and you don't know or or a kinna the python who's the python you have no idea so you call them the python so the baal hagad then last week we saw when we had we spoke about why mushroom's name is not in the haggadah in the uh safer krihamda he concludes his akdama by dealing with the question that somebody asked him that the knesses why didn't they mention mushroom's name so clearly the uh is learning that the author of the haggadah show was the answer right so that's the second approach that the authorship of the of the haggadah was the ancestor let's start from the beginning most of the haggadah are mishnais that's after the answer even though we know that the mishnahs did exist before even times of mushroom they had mishnah and especially manistana is a mishnah it's not manish uh what are the forecasts or mayor says this is everybody it's they maybe always had but how can you say the ancient nazi composed the haggadah really they composed myself eliza ravishua azaria they all are after the the um that's which would be who does that it's stamina who does he's after the answers definitively saying it was written by lansing that's like no he's just sort of quoting the questioner but you almost would think that it's such almost an impossibility he would say by the way it didn't compose the haggadah i mean they formulated the structure maybe the jurashos but even the are makilta right did they formulate that the frosts are free uh you know did they formulate that it's hard to say that especially there's so many mishnais hillel you know so that's um that is the second approach the ancient knesses then some suggest and i don't think this has a good source at all the safer shari and this was uh sent to me by a friend daniel weinstein some say moisha rabino put together the haggadah say my shrapnel together and that's why his name is not in it in his great humility he didn't put his name and i got even though his name isn't the haggadah moshe put together the haggadah moshe wrote manistana moshe wrote moisha it's very difficult to say that moshe composed the haggadah but that's such an approach i don't know of any legitimate source i don't think it has a legitimate source that moisha wrote the hagata so now let's come to the shot that we've always said all the years because tonight we're saying 10 approaches so we have to review that approach as well and that is in the haggadah show i originally saw this in the haggadah of shore and i then got a hold of at least i had access to the haggadah and bhairav arun menachem mendel guterman or nash lusk or minas lusk he brings you know it's an interesting thing we make a big deal about leo had to say there first we have this cop what's the cup i don't know the not the first not void says have four cups or five cups the riff says five cups so we don't know what to do what do we do when we don't know what to do taiku so we call it koi shaliahu when he comes to let us know whether we're supposed to have the fifth cup or not but we call it the cause of elio and then we open the door who are we opening the door for the ramon doesn't say we open it for elio even though they like to quote him that way they're not just as we open the door to show we have trust in that but it's in the cuba that we open the door for eliahu and even though elio could drink the wine without us shaking the table nevertheless we we assist him in drinking the wine by shaking the table elio only drinks the wine when you shake the table obviously okay then we say and we say many people say so we have a traditional yo come what's he coming to the stade there for not a bris there's no bristles at the stay there why is elijah oh he doesn't have a brisk because there are no bagels on pesach so he has more time here's more time so he comes to the say that why is elijah nobody coming to say there the answer is says because he heard from the great rebbe of simcha booneva that anybody who's familiar with the language of tana dubai eliyahu will see immediately that the haggadah was written in the same style of tana dubai especially is full of barakamal so therefore since el yoho wrote tagada and the haggadah an idea that we like to speak about a lot and that is the the miracles of time where the pre-enactment and the mass of a similar bonding for the gula siddha that we know anytime hashem accomplishes great things hashem first does a trial run a dress rehearsal similar bottom of the gula that's what it means in the navi um aren't on so who better to write the handbook of what the future redemption will look like than elijah the prophet because since anyway he's going to come redeem us so he wrote the book with which barco used as a pre-enactment to bring the gula and in our humble safer we explain that's the reason why when moisture abandoned was asked by god take the jews out of egypt moshe said what shlakhman send who you usually send we know rashid says that was referring to aron and the tag says send eliyahu he says because since anyway elio is going to take the jewish people out of the uh the the final gullies so he might as well do the pre-enactment he might as well start off the job so mushroom is saying god you why do you want me to take them out of egypt if the whole purpose of taking them israel is to bring the gula a siddha and i'm not going to bring the gulasi that's going to be eliahu so let eliot take them out of mitzrayim so the third approach to who wrote the haggadah is none other than elio anovi so we have so far actually the fourth approach number one who wrote the haggadah the baal hagadah the mysterious baalhagada who is he when you see him you know who he is he carries a pin it says on it i am the bauha you know i'm the there he has the business card as well it says he's the balahagada the second shot is unchecked third approach maestra bainer and i would say a more legitimate tradition is was written by elio navi okay and so far most of this is information that we know already and now we begin comes the great going of izmir rebhaim falaji in the safe zahiro and falaji now this is his parish on the agoda what's the agatha haggadah he calls the haggadah and he said i was asked who wrote tiagoda he said what do you mean look in the you shall me in shkalim that it says who wrote a goddess and some say rabbi akiva says the icarus rabbi akiva you knew that i never heard that before rabbi akiva wrote tahagada in fact reviewtruck yosef in the outlet yosef khelagimo my good friend he sent me the yakut yosef and i went to the store to get the yaki yosef i mean i don't have all the volumes but to get the aguero yosevan pizza you have to buy three big volumes so it's in the middle of hillary gimmel these are big books and he brings down from filaji that the author of haggadah shall pesach is none other than rabbi akiva now the printer of this particular worker of kha'en philaji his name was avraham pontrimoli and he said in his opinion he says in his opinion the rohingya is correct akiva must have written the haggadah why send the one who you usually send say who is moshe referring to will be akiva now that's a pella rashi says he meant send aran time yanus says he meant send eliyahu and now the the printer of chain filaji is saying say that hashem said sandra be akiva why rabbi akiva because rabbi akiva lived in the time of corbin and rabikiva suffered during corbyn many more than anyone else ever suffered in history they raked his flesh with iron combs and all golos is rooted in mitzrayim so if there's anybody who wants to get the jewish people adam it's ryan it's ruby akiva because there'll be kiva suffered from egypt more than anyone else in history because he he suffered in gallus and all goddesses rooted in egypt and therefore if he if someone's going to get the jewish people out of golos who would who would hashem and who would rather get out of the golos more than rabbi akiva and therefore rabia kiva must be the author of haggadah now where abraham fellas we got this from it's a very unusual pay rush i never heard it before but you know we were just going to go to turkey we went through so he gave us a new kid you know now there is a a great time of life today his name is rabbyakov sofa the i think the grandson or great-grandson of rabbi yakov so for the cafe in all this foreign and he quotes this reprimaji and he says this is a very big and he says you can't say such a thing based on what are we attributing the haggadah to rebbi akiva he says based on the ushami look at the ushami the ushaomi says that rabbi akiva was masaki in madrish these are the dinim that the amoram taught what does it mean he was misakin agoda veracious rabba and vayika rabbah but not god that's not what it means that's not what the ishami means it means the mid-russian rabbi kim sachin madhurish not the haggadah and he says that if you're going to say that it refers to are you going to say that the opinion who says it is it's referring to there's was it so if we're discussing the haggadah nobody could say ancho he see the kafkai writes nobody could even pa in the third paragraph imagine that the ancient or masaki in haggadah it's all tanoa that came much much later and was it was niskanen and furthermore don't say anywhere that when moshe abbey said she meant but where does that come from there's such a hazal now i cannot defend his question that the ushaomi does not mean it means but i do believe there is a ghazal that mushroom said i don't want to take the jews out of my time he meant sandra be akiva to to send them adam that's right because i once said this over maybe 10 years ago my grandfather brought over from europe the commentary of the khida on haggadah not the regular that appears in the set it's called simchat and brings right we know even if you're a goen oil you're at saddiq you're you know kala tarakula you even know art scroll you xiaomi i'll say you still have to talk about yetis mitzrayim of course you do why not teaches if we remained in shrine for a minute longer what would have happened we would have fallen to the point of no return why we would phone to the 50th level of tomah why is the 50th level of tuma the point of no return says it's a point of no return because you always need someone to yank you out of tuma and who took us adam and surah in maisha what level of kadusa was my sha'an 49 the gemara says in rosh hashanah 49. so moshe could only yank us out of 49. but if we fall to the 50th level nobody could take us out yeah but what about somebody who reached the 50th no but maisha didn't did anybody ever reach the 50th avada kolyaka ross akiva rebecca knew the 50th level of beena he was greater than masha maisha had khalisha sadashiva so foreign he would have said let them fall to the 50th no problem i'll take care of it so i would have thought someone like rabbi akiva doesn't have to talk about it because it wasn't a big deal that god took us out because rebecca could have done it so the kid is even someone like rabbi kiva is on the 50th level of kedusha he still has to talk about it time even though he could have taken care of the job even if we fell to the 50th level of tuma says my father told me quotes his father that that's the shot in ghazal when hashem told moisha you must should take them out of egypt they must say no let rebe akiva take them out of egypt why did moshe want rebel kiva to take them out of egypt because moshe said god what's the rush why are you rushing me god said because uh they might fall to the 50th and you'll never yank them out somebody says what do you want from my life let rebe akiva take them out so here you have explicitly in the hidden that way moshe said now the khida doesn't say where this hazal is but if we could rely on the fact there is such a statement in ghazal so that is the fifth approach so number one who's the author of that godda the baalhagada number two ancient number three maisha abeno number four elio navi number five raber review and sel meet sarfas he sent me a english copy from mahagada and the good news was i happen to have that god in hebrew the name of that god is are they halawa nine when i was a kid i used to call it the mount rushmore why because nowadays it's very common you know all the ads have you know all these faces but like 20 years ago it was a novelty to see rav maisha rav aaron rabiac of kaminsky i don't remember the the sixth good olym so it looked like you know mount rushmore so we used to call it the mount rushmore and i bought it in los angeles how long before yamdift you have to learn the halacha savayamtif one month 30 days but not everybody holds that we hold that shlois we have this entireness uh we have some magilla the shungamlius says two weeks before right the two weeks before so why does the haggadah say i would have thought you started learning about the rosh why would i think you start saying that according to shimon gamlio i you started learning two weeks before us i would have thought for my shredders says of iron cutler the author of haggadah is shimon ben gamlio who holds you started preparing for yamdiv two weeks before says of iron color the most kashmakaraya you ready for this right this is the poor man's bread that our forefathers ate in the land of egypt anyone who's hungry come and eat so far so good called ditsurik anyone who needs join my carbon pesach question if i shake the compass and i say well it's a lot of ribs i got me and my family we're not going to finish it off yanko why don't you join me for the current pasta could you invite someone to compress you can't we say in a zombie coimon you had to have been appointed over the compass from the beginning you can't join after the fact so how could you say anyone who needs a car passage come and eat it's too late so the gemara says and whoever joins later we say breira hoover double mafrea retroactively that's who i had in mind from the beginning it's called breira breira means that a person can say that whoever i choose later was what i had in mind from the beginning that's breira now does everybody agree to breira there's only one tana who's really into breira reverend shimbun gamlial throughout shas he always holds abrera for example says iron in baba basra a tree that grows partly in our tissue and partner so the tanaka says it's tevel and hulu and mixed together river galileo says no we'll determine that what grows in our earth israel is high eventually as well grows and closes not we say whatever grows retroactively that's how it was planted or if a jew and an andrew enter a partnership we could say breira who holds breira rip shimagamlia ah since the author of the haggadah is so he holds breira so he could say called dits and therefore yahweh now this is very difficult to say because wasn't much later on in history but that's where baron says ribaran says that the author of haggadah is of shimagamia this in january to go to a random arab village and we went to the cover of i didn't know he wrote hagar if i would have known he wrote the haggadah i would have had i don't know maybe different cabonas maybe anyway that's the opinion of ravaran the next opinion is is unbelievable the next opinion is siddhar rajban where did i come to this who else rabbits yosef quotes it the rajban was rubbed shloima sv shikh and sv goes through the entire siddhar and he tells you who composed each paragraph and put it into consider and when now it's not based on anything other than conjecture it's just it's very interesting for example he said he says and i never heard this before it was added by the rambam i never i never saw anyone who he did okay comes the rajban rubs vishik and he says the author of haggadah shall pesach is rebelzer ben hurkiness and he says you know the truth is until this day not one of the reshainam not one of the achrom number 10 on the fourth line ever investigated and clarified who's the baal mahabharata when was it written in my opinion it's revelation and hercules now rebel husband hercules was one of the first of the tanaan he's the rebbie of rabbi akiva he was the rebbe of ramire and pirkei de rabiolezza which is the first written tarshiva is from rebel azerbaijanis and says the rajban i'm going to bring you 11 proofs the tagada now these proofs span many many many many pages and i cannot say that i can give over all these proofs to you but i'll give you a taste of a couple of them number one where does the word hagada come from most people say it comes from the possibility he says nonsense even though everybody says that he says nonsense it can't be because then why do we say we should say it see us i thought the whole night is about haggadah no no has nothing to do with it means to draw where do we say draw he doesn't give this example but i would say good asek you know in sukkah the world goes up the wall goes down rebbe elizabeth translates that the man meant kizerah god that what's the purpose of the man the man is supposed to whet your appetite so the purpose of the say there is haggadah to draw you want to draw the attention of your children you want to do unusual things to elicit their curiosity so according to rebel elizabeth horconus god means to draw to to pull next give you a few why is nazi called lakhamani so some say well you can't bake it with wine and oil and honey it has to be poor man's bread the other opinion is no it's the bread lachem of dwarf habits the bread you talk a lot about now rebels have been working as holes you're allowed to put oil and honey and shemen and yayan into the matzah so he cannot learn la chamois is poor man's bread that they're no added ingredients because you're allowed to add ingredients so it must be that it's it's it must be like i loved you talk a lot about why would you talk a lot about it because he's the author of the haggadah this is these are the kinds of proofs that uh the siddha rashban brings next manishtana is a missionary it's a star mishnah stamishna is who ramayana where mayor learned from rabbi akiva where did rabbi akima learn from we have elizabethan hercules nowhere in the whole gemara does it ever say what about the mahinu is all it says are the two words but it doesn't say the end of it and we have in the mekhouta that rabia lazar is busy how do you know that a bunch of tamid have to learn because it says that's going on the son of zakacham so from there we see even need to be oh you say beats mitzrayim so then based on whose jurassia do we have that comes from elizabeth horconus very interesting he brings 11 proofs of this nature that the author of haggadah shall pass was revelation next the haggadah of the album so the first thing you need to know is the album never wrote a haggadah nah never tried to write haggadah somebody wrote ahagadha in what he considered the style of the album and he sold it as the but in the album the album has what he calls the fundamental principle of the haggadah which is something rabbi schwab brings down you know this is amazing these seven expressions are the seven parts question to you have to tell your son the album says like this you wanna know who wrote the haggadah well we know that the haggadah cannot have been written before the end of the tanaan because we have rabbi yehuda in the haggadah which will be the barillo he said so that means it could not have been earlier than rabbi huda parilla and who is talmud now the gemara talks about the mahlikis raven shmuel what does it mean what goodness that means that it wasn't a hundred percent certain in the times of raven shmuel but that means there was a haggadah in the times of raven shmuel and it wasn't earlier than review the very light so think about it rabbi baraloi was from the later of the tanaam he's mentioned the haggadah so it had to have come after him but rav and shmuel already had it so there are only three generations there's rabbi huda hanasi and there's rav and shmuel because rav was a student of rebbie and shmuel was rebbe's doctor so it had to be between rabindra byroi and robin shmuel therefore had to have been in the times of rebbe and anyone who studies the haggadah knows this is not gamora language it's missional language it's all mishnais how many amaran are mentioned in the haggadah none no amaram you have no so it had to have taken place in the times from the tanoim but after abu dhabi and before robin shmuel says them album there's no question rebbe put together the haggadah the same way he put together the mishnah the haggadah is all missionaire terms and language and expressions it's all mishnah it was written by rebbie that is the eighth approach number nine and then number ten is my favorite could have been added right but maybe let's say was added later and then ahmed you know some of the pisminer were added later here's number nine there's the safer agoda of sure this is quoted by the kafkaim and others he says that if you study the language of the haggadah it is clear it was written by the early tanaan that in the aftermath of the corbin the the tanoam went into a place called karembiyavna and when they went to karen biyavna they said asido tarashi to me so they were afraid the torah would be forgotten and at that holy convocation and you do not find any tanoyim after rabbi akiva really in the haggadah even though we have rebuked bariloy and what did they do in carambiavna they made sure the torah would not be forgotten so rabbi huda wrote the sephirah called tarska i remember shimon wrote the safri rabbis he wrote say their islam remnant wrote the torsafta to ensure the torah would not be forgotten now even though you're now to write down tarshish about they wrote down small things to preserve the torah therefore suggest yaakov sure that since haggadah so pesos only said once a year anyway and it's very small and the language that god is very similar to the mishnay of hebrew in his opinion it was compiled when when the tanom gathered at karen biyavna to be misakin to be able to preserve the torah for all time now that is the opinion of rabbyakov shaw i want to go back to the approach that rabbi akiva wrote the haggadah and offer you the following i'm going to tell you my favorite approach i think it's very powerful that ruby keeper wrote the haggadah because why do we go down to masram in the first place yosef who's most responsible the brothers which ones shimon and levi which one shemin according to many according to magala mukhoys shimoine was the gilgal rabiki was the girl of shemin that's why he suffered the worst fate of allah roger machus so if we went down to mitsrayam because of you save who's responsible to get us animats ryan that'd be a kiva rabbi akiva is the tikkun for shimane so if anyone's going to write the haggadah we understand why rabbi akiva has got to write the haggadah he got to get us out of egypt he brought us down to egypt in the first place he's shimmering he sold the oyster so he has to take us out and therefore where did the most famous cedar in history take place in his house maybe keep his house because you know he's got to yank us out because every year we learn about uh yitzya's mitzrayim it takes us out of the golos and then number 10 my friend rafal ansel sent me today who wrote the haggadah and rav miller basically said that god is like a mushroom huh it's like mushrooms after a rain after the rain all kinds of things spread out out of your field right center of miller the answer is who is the author of shas who wrote shas who wrote madrish the jewish people the jewish people the haggadah was created by the jewish people there's not one author it's a number of things that were said by many many and it grew by accretion it accumulated and it's still growing you know now the haggadah you have the uh 42 masois and you have the semen you have the uh the kabbalistic text of rabbsham chamash chipotle about the macos and many many perusal were added and it's growing by leaps and bounds the god that keeps on getting bigger every year they're more and more goddess sister miller haggadahs today are like mushrooms after a rain there are all kinds of sprouting and it's not a bad idea to grease your table with all kinds of hagados because it makes it more interesting but that's the authorship the authorship is the jewish people so that's the final shot who wrote the haggadah did one person sit down and write the goddamn with me deya and adirhu and khadgadya you know probably not maybe there are certain parts that are behker tarshava of rabbi akiva you know the iker arashi always says tarshiba pezra be akiva so maybe the makhiltas and the icardrushas that comes from ibyakiva elio anovi contribute according to yes he was a contributor maybe rip shim gamlia is the author of yahame rosh maybe rebel elizabethan has had some contribution but ultimately the haggadah is somewhat of a composite of the history of the jewish people and until the great day that were zakah to hashanah call to them [Music] okay you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com