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Pesach Sheni: Similarities & Differences between Leil Haseder & Pesach Sheini
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Rabbi Nachum Scheiner Shiur from 2017
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Today
Wednesday's which
is I would like to discuss some of
the
pesi and how is pesi different than the
regular than pes of last month of the
regular
pes the par of pes sheni is a is a the
par invol
The
says somebody was Tommy and he wasn't
able to bring the
carbon he wasn't close enough. He wasn't
close enough to the B mig to be able to
bring the
carbon person should bring get he should
he has another chance to bring a
carbon which is in the
ear the 14th
day. So you have to bring the carbon pes
and you should eat the carb pes together
with
matzah. That's the for of that a person
has another chance and he can bring even
if you couldn't bring the pes on the
regular he can bring the
pi
the
says what's the difference between the
first and the
second the
first we all know the first a person has
to clean out his house and make sure
that
is found.
The second pes today when the person
brings a car as well as at night when he
eats the carbon he's allowed to
have in the house together
with he's allowed to have together
with the
says and
then you have to roast the pes the pes
that's brought today just like
It's it's brought it's eaten together
with so we see a very clear that
between a person's allowed to eat
allowed to have in his house as opposed
to the
regular. What is the the next step while
the person's eating the carbon? Could
you eat the kes with Of course you're
allowed to have in your house. That's
undisputable. It's clearly it's a Mishna
that you're allowed to have. Are you
allowed to eat it with In other words,
you want to put it in a sandwich in a in
a club sandwich in a
lafa. Are you allowed to eat the meat of
the pes together with
why not?
It's what?
So technically I would I would think the
pasturious really that you should be
able to if the Tory says B there's no B
raw bal so why should they be why should
be
it doesn't mean you can't good you have
to eat it
so you want doubles what if you want
doubles you have doubles you have matzah
and then you have it with a sandwich has
to be
anything one
One second. You're going to tell me
forget about never mind. You can't eat
anything with
these. It's
whatever. Yeah. So, for that I'll tell
you. One second. One second. I'll tell
you why you can't eat. It's typical.
Even if it's not even if it's a it's a
it's
a or something. It's of the of the thing
you're eating with it.
So are that the answer is that the of P
is only a kaz and it's the last. So I'm
not asking about that last that's for
sure you can't eat anything with it
because but how about all along you're
eating a whole
meal by night
tonight while you're eating the meal all
along you want to eat it with a sandwich
you want to eat it with something else
again the last which is the mitzvah to
eat that you're going to eat without
it's without anything because
it's which means you're not let to eat
it with anything
Right? Just like pes even if you like to
eat matzah with mayonnaise when it comes
the kazayas matzah you allow to eat any
with it anything because
it's mitzvah. So the last of the that's
for sure a person's not a person's not
going to eat it with anything else. So
it'll be what's about the whole meal.
He's eating the meat. Could he eat it
with Is there allowed you tell him about
you can't eat or is there allowed? Oh,
so
it says it
says is saying and that's what says you
don't find anywhere these so why should
it
beer that's you don't find any you don't
find anywhere you don't find anywhere
that there should be an iser so it's not
why should it
So you can eat with he brings
however says the
rashi on the par we
just
says you allow to have it
together there's
no there is no only when when is
there while you eating the eat now with
it so says I'm showing you Rashi says
that you now eat together with the car
but he
says why should it
be says that you now eat so why can't
eat together with the carbon pesh
So we'll see what we'll see we'll see
soon of something with
however this rashi this rashi we'll get
alhamdulill a little later the I want to
first get also to
the however this rashi that we see
clearly that
says which means
It
is I also hold that it's but I don't see
where you see in that
it's
says you're allowed to eat it together
with
again which means you're allowed to eat
it together. So says it says that you're
allowed to eat it together. It sounds
like
a way to sing it. That's says
weird how to word
the hold.
What? Says you're not allowed.
No. The way he learns is that you are
allowed. You're allowed to eat.
So everybody ags it should be and says
it should be the shila is how to learn a
rashi how to understand if rashi is
saying it's mut or it's I just want to
say
the so the shil is rashi says that it's
and the question is where should it be
pointed out you want to show me where
thera says in the par we read
of doesn't say anything about it just
says that he's
bring the which we read
before the says what does the say the
says you should bring up
our you should eat the pes together with
matzah and
which means you should only eat it with
matz and but not
with says
it's our rashi that we're speaking about
here that it's and he learns that's the
it's the says only together with matzah
and not with he also brings a he brings
a ride from a ta theft
says no for seven
days is only for one day. So the Dr.
What's for seven days that is for one
day is not for seven days that he's
a for seven days that
he's knowing one day that
he's not eat together with together with
you could say that just a
second very clearly where would be for
Yes sir. I want to also just show you
the I'm not going to go on to the case
where the is but the
is
not
says what does it
mean? You can't eat it together right
when you're done eating the the matzah
and the pes right afterwards he can eat
which would seem also rashi learns that
these
these to eat together with the
first of all can mean that that there's
a se to eat it but it doesn't say and
also you could say means you have to
fear doesn't have to be I just want to
tell you there's
no even the says you have to fear seven
days
of fear.
Yeah, but he's not listening
or or let's say or let's say eating
matzah all together. The ging holes is a
mitzvah whatever. Yeah, but he's also
we're going to get to that as well.
There's no there's no mitzvah to eat
matzah.
We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Look at me. The first part I want to
elaborate a little more what you're
handling on mats in room. Yeah. Along
the same lines though we've been saying
he learns a lot from the from the essay
but when you compare the two of them
this essay doesn't have any of the other
essays that we see by so can't you say
that the fact that he didn't say any of
these things doesn't say yet doesn't say
doesn't say anything when it comes to
peni you compare it to pish has all
these rules you learn out the love when
you're comparing two things that are
practicer
right so everything else you have a
point that everything else is no. You
have a good point. However, if the Tyra
says what you're supposed to eat it
with, you're supposed to eat it with
matzah and so that the Tyra is speaking
about if the Tyra is speaking about the
matzah, we could say it tells you to eat
pes, it tells you to eat with matzar and
also don't eat. So over here
eat say you see that the doesn't see
here a good point. I want to also share
a
different yet
The
say
anything you can't eat
with obviously you can't eat the second
one either that's okay that's a good but
you see it's not
everything because there's things that
are different also but okay good yeah
going back to the you just
said respectfully
I have a question on that because
Because is a one day holiday is a 7-day
holiday. Okay. But is regarding the
14th? Yes. It's a one day
holiday is a seven day holiday here for
a while. So therefore you can't say well
that's a seven day. It's not
for you
as what's the question? The last one you
just said it said a seven day holiday.
It's not. No pes is seven days and pes
is one day is a seven day holiday. It's
a different it's a
different. Okay. Number three is okay.
So you ate the together with the with
the pes was it
was what if eating so what did you eat
first? You didn't drink today.
What did you eat first? You ate a
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stama dinner.
We're going to continue afterwards. I
want to move over here. I'm
thinks on the I took three things. We're
going to continue afterwards.
the asks on on this
of which is a you're allowed to
eat you're allowed to eat. So he
says that's only like
hill ate it all together. So on that
that you're allowed to eat
it. So here you could say and not
anything else but not like hill when the
says what does the
means that part of the mitzvah of eating
carbon pes means you should also eat
mats let's say we don't have a carbon so
there's no mitzvah of mats but it
doesn't mean that you have to eat it
together if it doesn't mean you have to
eat it together then you can't tell me
that only this has to be together and
not
You understand? You don't have to eat it
together. If you don't have to eat it
together, the Torah is not saying only
eat this together and don't eat. The
Torah is just saying that part of the
the mitzvah of eating pes is also
matzah. If you don't have the pes, you
don't have matzah also. But it doesn't
say you have to eat it together. You
don't have to eat it together. Which
means the is not saying you have to eat
it together. You can't be mad only eat
this together and
not just to conclude in this topic about
eating matzah together or you're allowed
to have in your
house that's for sure you're allowed to
have in your house. So the
the
brings to me what's the why is
today why
not it's interesting it's you're right
it's what does it have to mean 30 days
later what's so he says since when they
went out of besides that they ate matzah
they took along
matz those matzas lasted till for 30
days which means lasted till today
and then there was a transition after
they were they finished the matzah
started the so he says to show that this
day we had matzah and then we continued
on to so that's why we have you're
allowed to have with the matzah which is
eaten with the pesa you have as well
this doesn't this doesn't bring
this doesn't bring this doesn't bring a
a this doesn't bring one way or another
if you're allowed to eat with the PES
but at least it brings out why you allow
it's a good question if it was the next
day and says it only was three days
later good but that's what he says why
on that day it stopped you saying he
came the next day or maybe even came
three days later I don't know maybe it
came the same day that they finished
that's what he says he
says the has happened to your dollar and
the next day he himself says and then
these so I guess we have matzah because
we have matzah we still had matzah and
then we also have to show because the
next day started the truth is already
we'll get we'll get to the minute in a
minute about if we could were people
naive back then to to make curb place
even if they didn't have to like we do
now with the mat. No, it was only
somebody who missed
it. It was only if you missed it.
We spoke about eating the car. I want to
talk again to what everybody is speaking
about about eating matzah. We spoke
about sh afterwards now please.
We spoke about not eating or yes eating
together with the with the carbon pes is
there to eat matzah pes let's even stay
focused first to eat
matzah is there to eat matzah or what
the means is when you do the
mitzvah you should also eat and matzah
and just for understanding
our there is no mitzvah of because just
with the pes we eat we have a mitzvah we
make a but the is only with the carbon
pes so is matzah also a mitzvah only
with the pes so let me let me share with
you one or two nice things that show to
be if there's a mitzvah typically
the
says a person shouldn't eat shouldn't
eat matzah
why shouldn't he eat because you should
eat but what what's the problem why
should you eat what's the oven that you
should eat you have a mitzvah pes to eat
matzah so you should eat that matzah and
therefore a person of pes is not allowed
to sit down to a meal He shouldn't be
full. Tyus asks a question. The name of
the is and the word the headline the
first word in the mission is so tyus
asks I understand they're both
plural thes of the pes but
what's the of pes what's the
understanding says one ter and tyus says
a ne second
teri of both ar of the first pes and of
the Second pes in other words and the is
applicable for both
pes that you shouldn't
eat also a person shouldn't eat which
means today this afternoon may not you
shouldn't eat but to
eat that's
explains this asks over there on I don't
understand pes
of matzah. So therefore there's a to eat
a
mat. There's no mitzvah to eat matzah.
There's no mitzvah to eat anything.
There's a
mitzvah which happens to be just the
opposite. You eat you're supposed to
eat. So why how do you understand the
second you have to eat it? I mean I'm
sorry you have to eat it. You have to be
it should be there's no matzah.
The same is also a there is a famous
shila asked on by when we do we say the
part we
say to eat it together a sandwich the
mat together the question is we're
sitting now by the s the first p and why
do we bring a p from pes al matl
The
is not not
the so why we're bringing the of when
we're sitting by eating we should bring
the P.
So one terret is brought from one of the
bells that the reason why we say the
reason why we say this is is
a
that mikdash and if the mdash will be
built
after be built we'll be able to bring
the
pes we're ding that we should have be
able to bring the pesi and by peni it's
tlu
That's all being maspal. I'm going to
leave it out for now, but it's a it's a
it's a big schmoo if let's say most of
couldn't bring a pes for whatever
reason. So then wasn't said. So
technically we wouldn't bring a
pes a talk that if there was no
migdash that's when the b mikdash was
built maybe we would bring a pesi and
maybe even not only bring a pen the
whole pes would be no but that's that's
one shot and he says that we're ding
that there should be a pesi to bring to
bring the to bring a
carbon that's one shot
theamer when theamer asked this
question the says and there's a
difference
between the also says the terrorists but
I want to just bring out from the idea
that you know why the changes the
between it
says it
says I'm
sorry I'm sorry it says
The in between
says what's the difference? Why does a
Torah change? We
all because it's a separate mitzvah of
eating matzah.
So only
the
matzah inside the mor is only brought
together with the pes doesn't have a
mitzvah for
itself to eat matzah there is no mitzvah
to eat matzah there's a mitzvah to eat
it with the pes but no mitzvah by itself
he answers the question why we bring the
to show that it's not we're going to
leave that on the side for now. He
answers the question why we
say but he says there's no mitzvah
of so it comes out from here
that the mitzvah is only a mitzvah and
there's no mitzvah
on so you might all ask me so if that's
the case why do we eat
matzah we want to do some sort
of obviously the the carbon pes we don't
have. So the z is the matzah that we ate
together the matzah that we ate together
with the car but not not like a the
mitzvah of matzah. Therefore,
he's
saying one of
the commits. You say one
second is the comp to you're saying
therefore could
be to
the he's saying not only that we eat the
we but just the these
many most if not baby all eat the matzah
today not tonight. Why do you eat the
why do you eat the matzah today? Not
tonight. Especially like saying that
would
be when did we eat
the tonight? Not today. So it's brought
that the reason many you know bring
that's a reason in the pkim not to be
toy that if we would eat matzah tonight
people would be that we're eating matzah
because he's a mitzvah matzah just
like he's a mitzvah matzah therefore we
move
back to we move back to that's the
reason some say that you don't eat it
because of I heard last from one of the
night said that because it'll be I
didn't see it inside why it would be
it's a different I mean it's later it's
not together but this would be a reason
even if we're to eat matzah whether if
it's to that
matzah carbon of the carbon we eat it
today not tonight because not to be that
that's for sure not there's no mitzvah
and that's why we eat it today so to sum
up we had First of all, carb pes for
sure you can have in these if you like
to eat it together with and we also
spoke about that in the in the mitzvah
there is no
mitzvah may we still be to have and
bring the pes
can you eat today so could you eat