Pesach: Karpas - The Amazing Retraction of the Mishna Berura

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning rob so we're learning about hill close car pass we're going to talk about why you have to wash your hands for carpass and again we just mentioned that whenever you eat something that's dipped in a liquid mission brewer says many we shine and hold you have to wash your hands now why would you have to wash andrew you're not eating bread let's first understand why do you have to wash your hands before you eat bread hands are a shamey batoma a shiny batoma cannot render any food of shilishi with one exception and that exception is truma shani batuma could make could make truma a slishi okay but you say but i'm not eating i'm not eating chuma the answer is but kaihanim when the base of mikdash stood when they would eat truma they would have to wash their hands before they chuma but i'm not a cayenne but a gazera if i would be a kind yeah but the base i mean this is not standing but it's the base of english was standing so basically national sediment for bread is required it's a gezera up to the kohanim and it's exera up to the time that they saw mikdash was standing so even though we're not behind him and even though the basement is not standing we're still watching until him fine that is uh step one so yeah but why do you wash your hands for something that's dipped in a liquid so take a look in cement okay very important [Music] that's dipped in one of the seven liquids what are the seven liquids chassis the hand slaughters the blood this is you have it stands for what does it stand for yayan in other words if you dip a food item in either wine or honey or oil or milk or blood or water right those are the shiva mash kim so then your one has to wash the teosio diamond by the way that comes to exclude that that comes to exclude uh if something is dipped in may pay rise if something is dipped in the fruit and liquid of fruits in other words apple juice orange juice you do not have to wash the teal sediment but if something is dipped in wine or honey or oil or milk or dew or blood you have to wash until so for example if you take your oreos cookies and you dip it in milk you're mashing it in before you eat it with it we'll see okay right without a bra you dip coffee and actually you dip a doughnut and coffee you have to wash until you dip your cockus cake and milk the same way you have to wash the tasty diet for bread [Music] we'll see it does we'll see the lightness magnet the lightning is nagging if it's not dry and yellow even if your hand is not touching the liquid you have to wash your hands without a bracha let us see the mishna bhura in sevkatan if something any food that's wet with any of these seven liquids you have to watch until you're dying before you eat it but and we do hold that one yes absolutely what no he's saying let's say you wash grapes let's say you wash grapes you have to wash until you die or but if you dry them you don't have to wash until you're dying but if you wash your fruit if the fruit is at all wet we'll see i'm we don't have time to eat everything inside how wet if it's if you touch it and the wetness on your finger could make something else wet which is basically most of the time so you have to watch until sudan now we're going to see that the mission brewer acknowledges the fact that the minogue islam is not tawasha until sudaim and he also says the minute golem is wrong and he says you have to okay so i'm just we're gonna we're gonna talk about this thing no so i'm sorry so why do you have to wash your hands for carpass the machine brewer said because it's a vegetable that you're dipping into the salt water salt water is water it's one of the seven liquids so you always have to wash your hands before you dip any food in a liquid yeah i'm sorry the zero that uh because of my meat was done the same time as the aloha of washing for bread yeah right away explains why then if it's not tried today then the otherwise we'll see we'll see it was it's a different gazero let's let's talk about what the reason for this gazera is and the reason is the following this is the mission bruce of cotton look in your life even vegetables whether it's vegetables fruits or meat even though everybody knows you don't have to wash your hands before you eat fruits the answer is the answer is there the fruits themselves do not become tummy in other words whenever you eat a fruit why don't you wash your hands because your hands are a shamey and they don't make a fruit of shlishi but aloha is like this even though shane evatoma cannot make a shliishibatoma with liquid there's a special halacha that the shaney batuma makes the liquid arisa in the toma right there's nothing so you say who cares anyway but nevertheless the gezero was made at a time that kaiser was nizar batum of the tara and that's the halafa whenever you eat a fruit or a vegetable or meat or a cookie or any food that's wet you're much washed so you'll ask so when i eat cereal and milk in the morning my cereal is wet i have to wash the toasty diet no that's because that's something you always eat with a fork with a clay with a spoon excuse me so therefore your hands won't come in contact with that food and therefore you don't have to wash until the time but if you dip a fruit a cookie a doughnut and milk and coffee what we're learning now is you have to wash the tilty adayam it's not a minhog it's a he of dravana like mikromagilla like uh netil sedan for bread you put it in the salt water with a fork oh so let's talk about that we'll talk about that why is it that the road right we don't go by numbers numbers don't mean anything what is that that's why this is a din this is a here let's see look what he says look at that now the macabre adds the bracha without a bracha why without a bracha look in sifkatan there are some the savory that hold for something dipped in a liquid elaborate mayhem only in the olden days shall we that they would eat in purity but nowadays in other words there is a minority view that this halacha is obsolete the majority says mr brewer and by the way for them and the banesha and all the spiderlic parts of them agree that the rubber deruba now listen to this so you say but nobody does this brings what to rely on which is who do they have what to rely on those we shine them that say that you're not making anymore the dinner is absolutely i'll mix those you even have to make a bracha now before i tell you mr bruce conclusion let me tell you what some of the other points can bring down over here and like this other posts can bring down the following that says most average people do not wash and we could be malamates on them because they rely on the mix of sorry shining he says the qrav and we don't protest against them but the icker is not like what they're doing the ikea why are we relying on mixers however despite all of this listen to the conclusion of the mission bureau mission bureau says minh minhag very nice we won't throw tomatoes at you but you're not doing the right thing you're not doing the right thing and therefore he says like this you cannot be mako so the mission brew is not saying to wash your hands he's not saying it's a nice thing he's saying you have to do it if you know if you don't do it fine we'll still let you sit and come to the shul but that's the is bottom line mr brewer concludes you have to watch but if the majority get does not appear or not it doesn't matter if it doesn't it's irrelevant look at look at look at uh after touching this was we were supposed to go to the mixer but do that anymore that was a takana that was a takana a takanoshi then we don't keep it that's a takana this is not a takana this is a dindra banan nathiyoshi odayim was not a the teosio dying was masaki and by the naveem already this is a very early takana for bread yes exactly if i take a tool but if i take a fork or a knife or something and i use that they eat it with sides wouldn't it correct correct right if you dip your cookie and milk with a fork you don't have to wash your hands now who says that then we didn't see that in the mishna brewer that's the mystery of cutting your dalid where he brings down where he brings down take a look um if you eat with a fork you have what to rely on not to wash the is a very interesting halacha that i would say most people are not aware of and that is when you eat a food that's wet with your hands you have to wash until sudden you go to the sink to wash off a grape most of the time you're not drying off every grape you have to wash until you're dying you go to what an apple you're kind of a big fruit a big fruit you can right you can but uh you could also watch until today yeah i'm still troubled by how such the large portion of the road yeah i'll show you many that many people don't keep because it's easier to do it that way i mean it's just uh you know it's the middle how come we never came across and no one ever taught or taught the uh this yeah when i was in the 10th grade i learned this i've been uh great what happened to like fifth before you're in 10th grade we don't eat fruit in america people don't eat fruit you know dunkin donuts and you know that's that's true that is true okay so it's important to know you want to be mechanical probably should wash your hands okay this was just the introduction now why without a bracha because there's some re-shining moho that you this is not required okay so if someone is showing him say a majority say you should watch right someone said you don't have to take a process so you go along with that but but we don't go along no for bracha for example for for for shalashudas do you have to watch for shah shudhas absolutely you know that the says that if someone eats some zionists for shall should this they're probably not you would say you have to know that you have to walk you know the shocking says unless you're very full unless you're very full if you're just eating the zionists you're not you'd say you're not even yours yeah but you could make a merch if it's a meal let's see if you need to turn that butt but if let's say someone forgets what say in sha al-shudhas they don't repeat this they don't repeat over benching because there's a minority view that says even though we don't with messiahs so even though we don't ask in that way we're in other words we only make a bracha if it's unanimous that you have to make a brah anytime there's even a minority of you not to make a bracha we don't make a brah but we passed now is the natila could you just you know wet your fingers no you need to wash your hands like you'd be watching for bread says that was that called dine natila to le pass this is the beginning of the we're just getting started okay fine now the question is what about if you're eating something less than a casios do you need if you're eating a small food that's dipped in a liquid less than a kazias do you have to wash your hands says the mission bureau um if you're eating something less than a kazarus you don't have to be mahmee pass even when it comes to bread many people are mako you don't have to wash for bread less than a kazaas now not just many people if you eat bread less than a kazaas you don't wash until they die you know that you know somebody they go to the pizza store and they you know they have these little tiny things you know you know how to wash on that you certainly can't make a broccoli you don't wash on that however if you eat the grain which is a barrier then then it's not but you see that like a good size no but that's for brock right now that's you better eat more you better eat more are you better rabbi sai look in the shock gimmel this is telling you yes now one second let's say you eat less than a baya right that's just based someone eats less than a baya then you wash your hands without a bracha if you're eating less than a bail of pasta wash your hands without a bracha if he less than a kazayas shukha naruk says you don't wash baklao the mission of says there are those who are mahmear and therefore we're mashima to wash less than a kazias but you certainly don't make a bracha but in one does not wash his hands for bread less than a gazias ah so says the mission brewer here if even for bread you don't have to wash less than a cazias then certainly for washing for pay rice or for food that's wet you don't have to wash less than a casios got it so when you're at the wedding at the washing station you should ignore them and sit down and what make america on a piece of on a roll like a mensch unless the flower you're supposed to be sitting when you make hamitz you don't you know you don't make how much you're standing so now that this is the conclusion of the mission bureau less than the kazayas you don't have to wash your hands so good let's go back to jojo's pesa tough iron gimbal by the way i'm just going to add some fuel to the fire why does the mission brewer conclude that when you eat less than a kazias of a fruit that's dipped in a liquid you don't have to wash the this yodayam what's his argument he makes a cava climber if bread you don't have to wash your hands less than a kazias certainly fruit where some re-shine them saved as not as that you don't even have to wash for you certainly don't have to watch this in the kazaas in the situ if you want to look it up m something very interesting let's see if i could get it over here if i could get it over here the um very hard to find he says the following argument he said if even for pass where you make a bracha on the netilla you don't even have to wash at all according to the lesson so certainly on washing for fruit which you don't make of rakha you certainly should not have to wash less than and when he tells us about the karapas he says you should take from the kappas lesson why why less than a kazias says the mission brought simon and stefan because if you're going to eat a kazias now there's a question do i make a bracha right now now why do we not want you to make a bracha right now because if you're going to make a bracha then you're going to have to maybe make another broccoli shine on the murrah and we know when you make a hadama on the carpass you're supposed to have in mind tomorrow so in order to avoid making on the karpas you take less than a kazias so then why are you washing your hands why do you have to wash your hands this is and even by bread you don't have to wash your hands less than a kazias so if the if it comes out that when you eat the car passes less than a cause is you should not have to wash your hands that you're going to eat tomorrow between the mower and the car bus you can have more than a cause what when you make the brake up never think about the motor is not wet tomorrow but but it's more in 72 minutes good question that's a very good question that requires a whole separate cheer how how and how you can make a break on the car pass and have in mind something that's very long time later okay but bottom line is the carpass in the khabar says is less than a kazias and you still have to wash your hands so it's a stira in the because you know wash and buy something dipped in a liquid by capacitors on the casios he says you do wash so i would answer that stero well it must be that when something is dipped in a liquid it's more mahmeer than bread but the mishna brewer himself he said he concluded that something less than a kazias if it's dipped in a liquid you don't have to wash and the pesach says explicitly not like that and this is the question of the beer in gimmel that ma says the beer who's the kind that he says my conclusion in khuf nonchess is against this sith in tafei and gimmel and therefore the mission brewer does something that as far as i know he doesn't do it anywhere else in the entire book he retracts his plaque okay right okay so you look back and simmer so you don't have to do what he said there look what he writes look look what he writes it's mama chappella looking simmering i know why and simon the bottom line in the mission where he says yeah you see on page 96 i want you to see this inside because you know this is good skyrocket if you go around saying tell me what the child is asking yeah this is where we're at 96. 10 bazooka gums that's 22.50 25. [Laughter] okay where are you in the beer no see the bottom line in the mission there's a little asterick and it tells you to look on the bottom and after the mission bureau says i feel you don't have to watch unless santa kaza is um a tough iron gimbal and tough pair of william ash mccain and even though logically i feel you should not have to wash your hands but since the shocking says you do have to wash your hands less than a kazias i retract on that footnote [Music] himself now how do i know that these are the words of the king himself because if you go on tough i and gimmo in the bear he says from here it's very clear that something that's dipped in a liquid less than a quasis you do have to wash your hands even though the macabre and coffmann says that even my past you don't have to and listen to this he says the zahu shalom in the second edition of mishna brewer bishou if you know you want a good trivia question ask somebody tell me the one thing the mission brewer retracted from in the second printing of the mishnah in the first edition he held that something less than a kazias you don't have to wash your hands for something dipped in a liquid you see how humber this is where the bishop is retracting and he's saying in the second edition even something less than a kazias lip dipped in a liquid you have to wash your hands you said apostle review during the course of the are many things that are exactly that cs matriarchy or in the exactly okay right so that we do this watching because in the times when we were talking right there were many things that we did so we do this as a zeitgeist so when the mikktush was being good and this is something that you know when we do because it's this is the time that we have zohar no the question is why don't we do it the rest of the year that's what that is because this is the time no no but but uh no but because we don't know from it not true so that's what we're learning the mission brewer says we do hold from and you should do it right one second one second one second so this is the stira where the mishna in the footnote on the bottom of the second edition says even though i feel logically you should not have to and that logic is if you don't have to for past you should certainly should not but because the childhood says it i'm about to my dost but then mission brewer says i found in the rash bates who quotes the rambam if you look in the rambam the random says explicitly when you take carpass you have to take more than a kazias why does the rambam say that because the rambam says israel holds like my original assumption that you only have to wash your hands for a casais and therefore the he seems to have retracted from his sock that even though logically what's the logic the logic is if you don't have to wash for pass then you certainly should not have to wash for something dipped in a liquid up here well he wrote the whole mission brew and then the second half so he switched it in i think many people wrote he didn't himself well his son family and his son had involvement in her and we still wash our hands says the cafe from the words of the mercado a mashma that even less than a kazyas you have to wash your hands i think i have a good raya that the mishap is correct in retracting is sac that you have to watch in less than a kazai's because the taz in cement gimbal he writes this that the says you have to wash your hands for karpas is an open rebuke on those people who don't wash their hands the whole year doesn't understand what does this have to do with the whole year well in other words this halacha maybe the reason people don't wash is because it's ice if the natas is pointing out the taste is now our voice let's think about the following what do those we shine him who hold that you don't have to wash your hands for something that's dipped in a liquid what would they hold you should wash your hands for karapas no yeah i think that it's the shit's in the gemara you don't have to do it for lesson oh so listen carefully even those who don't wash their hands the whole year for something dipped in a liquid for those who want to rely on the minute the so-called minigame that do they watch for karpas yes says that even though right even though the rest of the year they don't wash so why all of a sudden they becoming froomies the night of pesach it's so that the children ask sorry these teenagers didn't ask the real snoke because they're gonna ask so now listen carefully to this this is very important the gemara says we eat carpass and we dip it in salt water rashii and sakta sakham says why do we dip it in salt water so that the children ask but it comes out that according to the re-shining behold you don't have to wash your hands for something dipped in a liquid not only are we dipping so that the children ask we're also washing that the children should ask but according to most achromium why do we wash because you have to wash okay so now listen very this is unbelievable so there are two possible reasons why we wash our hands for kaka we would say like the mission because you have to and the middle going one would say it's so that the children ask there are many nafkaminas between these reasons if let's say a person instead of wanting to wash his dip his carpass in salt water let's say he would dip his car pass in bitter bitter orange juice or apple juice would he be allowed to no well we the kids would still ask so we're not we're not ruining anything but when you dip a vegetable or a food into a maid pay rice you don't have to wash your hands so if the reason we're washing the night of pesach because you have to so then if you dip it in a may pay rise you don't have to but if the reason is so that the kids ask even if whatever liquid you still have to wash your hands because you're not doing it for a reason you're just doing it to do something strange well okay okay but let's say you wanted to use a bitter fruit juice you'd be it depends according to the reason are the halachic reason you have to you could and then don't wash but if it's so that the children should ask no you can't use that kind of liquid but still this is all um berlin points out that this would be a very big navigability that according to the halachic reason that we wash our hands because it's darshan what if you use may parrots you wouldn't have to wash says frank whoever heard of dipping their food their food in a fruit juice and that would be like sac religious so therefore he says perhaps even the halachic reason that we wash our hands because we have to wash our hands but we're also doing it so that the children ask so this way even if you get a it in liquid in fruit juice you'll still have to wash your hands listen to another napkin mean a very interesting nascamina some people for cow pasta eat potatoes anyone here eat potatoes the kitchen chocolate says the best thing for carapace is radishes some people use potatoes some khasi were macbeth gum or not to use potatoes because somehow see them hold potatoes you make a shahakal and add a hadama right yep it grows in the ground well you have to know the history of potatoes potatoes are a recent discovery about and it's a good thing potatoes was a recent discovery because the potatoes would have been around when they made kidney us we won't be eating potatoes on pesach so many people who eat potatoes eat it with a fork anyone here eat it with the fork that way you don't have to walk so if you're eating with a fork do you have to wash it you're not after us if the reason we're washing our hands is because you're making of two so that now we're not going to but if the reason is because you want the kids to ask then you have to watch even if you know the fork but if rabbi said according to what we said that even the halachic reason that you have to wash because it's holds also so that the kids should ask so then even if you're gonna eat it with the fork you would still have to wash so that the kids asked if he french toast which usually with a fork then you shouldn't have to wash on it even though it's bread no the fork thing doesn't help for bread discovery minnow regarding titanius is a minion because corn wasn't there the whole idea behind the rice and the beans that crops were mixed didn't exist you don't understand for such so why is i don't know exactly at the moment but kenny's is very interesting subject rabbi i'll tell you another nafcamino so anyway so right anyone here eating with the potato with the fork but according to what we're saying then that even the halachic reason would say you want the kids to ask now here's the question who has to wash their hands everyone who has the carpass or only the bellabius so it depends why you're washing if you have to wash everyone has to wash if it's just so the kids should ask only the baba bias has to wash and by the way if you look in the rambam the supreme suffering says the rambam very much implies that only the balabayas has to wash something to think about but according to now are you ready this is what i thought of and i found it this is this might be good we're saying now that even the reason even the swara that we have to wash our hands because we showing him hold that any that we have to wash that's something that's dipped in a liquid you have to wash but this that we're saying that even that opinion holds there's another reason to wash so that the children ask we may be able to answer the steer on the shock and the bureau said why is it that the mission brewster and simon cough that he feels that's something less than a kazias you don't have to wash why because if you don't have to wash for bread then you certainly don't have to watch for a double shot to build a knife but then the machinery asks so why buy carpass which is less than because i see you have to wash so i'll say really mission bro you're 100 right logically less than because it's you don't have to watch so why and tough time gimbal do you have to watch today show you shalom guys and then it comes out the mission brewer did not have to be khaizer and that's where two pesos frank points out in a footnote in the mccrory kaidash but bottom line is mr brewer was kaiser he holds that the reason that you have to wash is not kadesh you eat the carpass you dip it in liquid because right they say but why do you wash your hands you wash your hands because you have to wash your hands so it's a very interesting little pocket of halacha you know you could uh tell your friends tell your neighbors what is the one place in mishabura and their subaru retracts you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com