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hi this is D olowski welcome to the re
olowski
show and whether you're watching with
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always it is a pleasure to have you
along and uh this is of course the
second installment of my interview with
Rabbi nissle about his uh book that he
wrote about Raa Shapiro and our
discussion about Raa Shapiro and about
his book and I hope you enjoy it and the
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and now the second part of my interview
with r Nell I I I thought it was you who
told me in the Friday Shear that before
they would start Josh Harman would just
sit there and teration
jokes just whatever jokes he had you
know yeah so uh yeah but that was
incredible so most of listen there was
only once that I heard Raa tell a joke
he just because it was funny but I just
again the point I so this move anytime
he tells a joke afterwards he does this
the fingernail trick which evidently is
there's some mord that this is supposed
to get you to become more serious and
stuff like that right you know what the
M is for that no idea you ever hear that
yeah we should ask
rman so that so so I I asked you because
you're the of laughter right of Kad
you're the of and and uh you wrote
beautifully you really did write
beautifully over there you did try you
made a very powerful point maybe maybe
you can just expand for our audience
just a little bit about what you saw in
OSHA's laughter OSHA's sense of humor
because sense of humor is not is not
just making he L to tell jokes it's not
just telling jokes I could tell you see
I have no control over it it just it
just comes out you know you know you
ever read comic books so in the X-Men
there Cyclops who has these like lasers
that shoot out of his eyes and he has to
wear special glasses to control them
otherwise he would just burn up
everything you know so um uh I can't
control it I really I try even when I
try to be serious a joke comes in even
if I don't mean it in fact when I was in
ncsy there was one Regional director who
said to me you know why everybody hates
you I said I didn't know they do he say
yeah yeah everybody hates you so he says
um he says cuz I can make the kids laugh
and I can make the kids cry but I can't
switch back and forth like you do where
you can be like very you know funny and
then get very serious and then tell a
joke and then get back to serus and then
so so you can see it rmha was holding
him like you've talked about the kelm
you know you know that that control he
was holding himself back cuz he loved to
tell jokes yeah and he was just and he
was tremendously funny and he worked
very hard to keep it under control let
me tell you something I'm going to
regret telling
you he used to work in the nightclubs in
the in the cats no no no so yeah so I
actually I actually CU because uh listen
what can I tell you you this is one of
the things everyone loves about you okay
you make us all laugh made us laugh so I
I actually wrote a at the end of the
book of laughter some of the funniest
lines I heard from Ria over the years
now I don't if you know this but this
book AR lanski who to give him a copy
two weeks ago in Silver Spring he was
the god om you know art in feldheim they
would not let me write this book unless
I had a grown up in the house so so
ranski he literally read it from cover
to cover and he said this you should
take out it's not and I realized he was
right the jokes yeah just right it was
here and there I would put in a funny
line be to have like a section about
risha's the jokes put cont
now funniest lines he had a lot of them
and his puns and his thing they're just
genius some of the and they were instant
and whatever it was the point is is that
is that he made me take it out so um bar
had you to write that little thing about
Raa he had uh he um uh he
says you know I was driving with this
fell you know and and he's holding the
steering wheel and with the steering
wheel he looks at me and he
goes he thought that was so funny he
loved it you know but he told the story
was he was talking about an AER AER he
says so there was this fellow you know
wealthy fellow you know and he said he
started he was selling newspapers you
know saving up his money and eventually
started selling this and he built it up
and that and then his father died and
left him $100
million and nobody went crazy and Ro
stops he goes back you know but you
could say he would have just worked the
room for next 15 minutes if you could
and it was also a master Storyteller
because I'll tell you something
interesting um I was not that successful
in y I know what com is complete
surprise to you but um uh because they
didn't know that I had dyslexia and add
and all the other different problems
that I was battling with and he had
brues like me you know no that was
already when I was an adult I'm thinking
about back then I it was just it was so
everything was was terribly difficult so
at one point I won't mention which is
was in but someone asked the r who's the
best guy in the Yesa he says
olski he says what do you mean what are
the reasons why he was not the best guy
yeah so he says first of all whenever
you explain something to him he hops it
right away he say second all you hear
his jokes you know how fast his mind has
to work to come up with those jokes so
if you're very smart M you're funny you
know true so
by him also love to tell jokes you know
Raa Shapiro he it was he was just a
fountain but he he kept it under control
it was that that that you know
discipline but uh yeah he loved to tell
jokes it was uh you know I I would I
would hear him all the time um I don't
remember what I wrote so you'll have to
remind me it's in the book it's there I
believe you I believe you no but the
point you made is that overwhelming you
always felt that there was always a mess
message in the jokes something you could
learn out of them that was that he would
not just tell jokes because they were
funny oh it was part of his part of his
message it wasn't just to make himself
interesting I had I had a a woman once
in in when I was giving sh she goes you
know I told you Shir over to my husband
I said very nice because you don't
understand I can't remember Shir I just
I don't have a head for it but I
remember stories and jokes and from you
Shir if you remember the stories and
jokes you can recreate this year I used
to give a parish year in seminary and it
took it took the girls one girl right
took it towards the end of the year I'd
always start with a little story or a
joke Etc and then I'd give us my
questions this and
that and then I would give the answers
you know so one time a girl says one
second I know the answer it's always in
the opening
joke could you come back and say that's
why what what was the opening joke you
know you know that's where it's gonna go
of course you know in other words you
you you
use you remember he would always say now
this is a and this is a right because
when you laugh you open up sure so if
you can laughter opens you up to be able
to hear new things and so that's why
there was this tremendous tension
because of his emphasis on coverra to
keep things very serious you know and
the same token he himself was just
loveed to love to have yeah and and when
he was dealing with the balich Chua so
there he was extra like the was the
really beginners um so apparently when
he was in Russia the Russian kids did
not understand who he was later on they
did the most senior ones did most people
didn't know who he was but someone told
me a story this guy is walking New York
and he comes up he sees a guy looks like
a rabbi he's a regular Orthodox guy you
know I guess we can use the term modern
Orthodox I don't know but he wasn't
yeshivish you know and he sees this guy
he thinks he RAB says excuse me are you
a Rabbi says yes says can I ask you a
question he says yeah he goes how come
when you go to there are more
than it doesn't make any sense there
should be a lot more Le
than so unb to him this was right he
only found out later so he
goes and therefore D is always shol on
them and that's why throughout the
generations Le always getting cut down
because since they represent then they
get but here you just see this guy on
the street and you say excuse me are you
a rabbi you know what I mean like and
just ask me a question our friend Z said
to me something once that that I think
sums up who Rema is he
says I've met people who know everything
before but I never met anyone who has a
Mahal in everything right so notes
should know everything but he's thought
about it and has whenever you ask him
anything thing so I never had this
experience but Z would have it ask him
goes so he would say his PR he
goes take it to another level you know I
we had a friend you and I know a friend
he told me not to write the story but he
said that him and his they worked to mik
for a whole
year part he said at the end of the year
they went in to say over their that what
they came out with on M they went to
and wherever they ended that's where mha
began mha started to adding more levels
and more Lev and they all left like that
you told that story to me when you were
driving him on a Friday and you start to
say over your in melester right you know
something about
this of course they didn't say it but he
he had this line a number of times and
this was one of the amazing things of
Misha is that he would say
um someone question goes you can't
figure that out for
yourself I I have to tell you that right
I gave you enough information and he was
very big on making you become an adult
right my son
went before Su and he was having a very
hard time in yeshivas and he was
complaining about the system to rmha and
rmha only backed him up and added to it
you know he
said are you going to say what he I
don't care you know
me now that's P to anybody who has half
a brain that's not a big it's
Politically Incorrect but it's for sure
true everyone knows the system is broken
you know but he'll say it so uh so he
says so what do I do I say what do he
do so take care of yourself you're right
know yes so do it
yourself it was a it was a eye-opening
uh sense of where he was into empowering
you right and forcing you to work for
clel Jonathan both
Rabbi tats and
R were here in speaking to groups like
eight people and Raa hounded them to go
back to America or to England and go and
do something for clly Isel they didn't
want to leave they want to be he says no
go and do something he did the same
thing to me he wouldn't let me leave
Memphis remember that story no oh my
gosh he did not want me to leave Memphis
Tennessee he said you stay there this is
where you belong um he he was sent all
of us out you remember during that South
Africa when everything was falling apart
he told everyone should go to South
Africa cuz it's a time of Ace Raton he
saw what I was doing in Memphis and
uh I had to leave Memphis for my oldest
son for M and he was not happy and he
made you said he was the most educated
Jew in Memphis at that yeah okay let's
not go that far but yeah no the second
you you left out green
blat besides the green blats that's true
but but um Raa who took care of me in
Memphis he really did he I used to call
him up regularly and B korus he he
really did take care of me there he felt
I should stay he made a terrible
prediction about what would happen if I
would leave which I'm going to tell you
afterwards you I do not want this I'll
tell you after is what he said if I left
and the next perm after I came back
totis he gave me that I don't want to
see your face and then he turned to Y
and he said to Y you should know that
your father bringing you back to ER Isel
was the best thing he ever did wow and
that was his breath that was for it was
the best thing for me he felt I should
be in America he always told me I should
be in America God help me there was a
school in America that wanted me to
become the dean I had four four schools
thousand kids in it you know in all the
different
schools but it was
coed so uh they they were offering with
the
phys he says if you can separate the
boys and the girls you're going kazak
the boys and learn and the girls in
amona then you should take it I said but
how do I separate it he sat with me for
almost an hour how we work out the gym
how we work out the lunchroom how we
work out the office how we work out all
the stuff you know and he says and
that's the proposal you should make so
at the time there was no way I could
move my family back to America so I'd
become one of those commuting you know
OBS you know what I mean where I go and
live in my my mom's
house hi I'm the de you know come home
and see my family once every month or
two which probably would have helped my
kids but uh but uh you know so I said to
him I said I said buta I don't want to
go you know it's too hard and he says to
me ripped do it we don't go where we
want we go where we're needed and I
can't be M on a thousand
kids so I said to my wife I said M says
I got to take the job so I went and I
told him I have to separ the boys and
girls and they said
no Dodge that bullet you know I me but
ready to do it you know if that's should
told me and and he had this Keen sense
of clly Isel and making people stand so
so the point that I want to get to is so
he was in the mirror and you were going
to tell the story about this is many
many points ago the last point we made
was about was about how it reminds me of
a
story yeah so he's you talking about his
learning yeah so so um my opening story
is was the the great Genius of the miror
uh R if you think that said Raa was
tough was tough on a different League I
had to take out some of the part of the
stories about how he would deal with the
guys people saw how he would deal with
the GU was very very tough in his
younger years he was super
super and um people come up to him asked
the question and 10 seconds later they
would come scurrying back to their
standards buta get up to speak to put on
a big smile and that was it that the
rest of the morning Sater there was like
a fireworks display it was the two of
them were at each other and adored Raa
and they calleda in those days in the
Mir Mal theer Mal Mal was the genius of
the that went to America from from
Shanghai and they saw in raisha that he
was going to be that new M mere genius
it never happened because because raisha
never ever stood stood still he always
went to to the next place where he could
glean from and and uh where you go to
the mirror so I don't remember you have
to look it up in my book I thought it
was in a biography yeah it's in the
biography it's in the book over there
but I'm pretty sure at some point he
went to he went to Tel Aviv afterwards
to learn by r m Feinstein he wanted to
get from from him as well um and each
one he got a little little bit of a
different thing so he's the only person
I know that was a God that became um
that combined four different strands of
Lomas which was panovich and then Kon
and then Mir and then brisk okay because
he also the brisk and the brisk when he
get into the brisk so the his connection
with brisar was really oneon-one um on M
shabas he used to go for years while he
was going in Kon to be there for havdala
and to stay there afterwards and um um
actually most of the time that he spent
with bris gav he chose to be silent he
was just watching the brisk every single
move every single Nuance to what he
could learn from the
brisar and um the family holds that the
brisar was the that was in front of RA
everywhere he went was the cover the
person that that that brisk side to him
but it's incredible when you think about
it when you mention those four yes and
this is without even mentioning what he
got in and the fact that he had a with
the old previous tion of a Reba so he
was yic from all the different types
ofas as well um all in one person and
that is how he built himself one of the
things that I never heard of that
Jonathan Rosen wrote kindly about me in
his little mishak article that you
should read you should read he I only
read the K okay there's no pictures I
don't wor
okay writer so but I also go to the K
first okay
we but he said something very very very
true he said Raa never wanted quote that
were just to rearrange the furniture
unquote he never wanted people just to
say Raa said he wanted as each to be a
Mak right each person should create
their own ter through their own to take
from Raa and then build themselves
through that that's why what when I
think it was a who brought me to RHA he
says RHA wants people who are going to
go out into the world and do things
because he wants to build not just but
build people who are going to be Mas on
the world not just people take care of
themselves correct so that's why on the
cover I wrote through the lens of one
talid because I want the reader to know
they're hearing my voice how I saw even
though I'm trying to teacha but it
sounds like I did that on purpose um
just like aat sounds like in his farm
even though the main source is RHA
and yes let's go a little
video and then and then Ruben schmeltzer
Ruby schmelzer which is this incredible
Magnum
op you're hearing Ru that's who you're
hearing when you read the stuff he wres
beautifully that's I thinka wanted he
too big too big he can't capture yeah
and and honestly the Von if you read all
his so if you you read it doesn't sound
like
the and you read sounds everyone they
recreated the B 10 the 10 original rebes
each took Aid of the B and worked on
that because he was too big right you
know and that was the
of one took his eyes one took his mouth
one took his brain one took his heart
and uh yeah so I think that's where that
to me D Cohen about
rutner was too big he says so got his
and David got his
and Feld got his wow and I got his sense
of
[Laughter]
humor I was by ripped off two weeks ago
I gave him in his hands the safer and he
told me something beautiful which I wish
I would have known be able to say this
in the safer he said that after Hut
passed away the only person he could
listen to that would be an echo of what
he used to get out of R hutna was
rmha he he he told me that he adored
rmha Andor his his Terra now how did he
get the cas with hudner where' that come
from so that was um at a later
stage yes B there you had Schwartz and I
heard the story that he was young can
you tell the story because I'm going to
I'm going to get into trouble this is
what I heard I heard that when the three
of them were learning cabala do
Schwartzman R hudna and um rmha every
now and then they would send him out of
the room because what they were doing
was too deep for
him could be I I never heard that story
I never heard that story but I do know
is that um he those two became for
raisha and uh and um raisha would learn
Kabal with RNA um at night sometimes all
night long I describe one of the stories
in in in the book which I heard directly
from the family and then he would walk
home from rut's house which I think was
in
onor back to his home and by aun um
dancing right dancing literally Dancing
Home in the we hours of the morning from
just the the exhilaration of what he had
learned from
rutner and
interestingly he K never quoted rut if
you notice from he did not quote from
rut and
um I Heard a reason why I'm not going to
say who told me because I'm not sure
this is supposed to be quoted but he
said that when he gave over his Terror
his he wanted rut had a specific style
and Raa wanted to have his specific
style so he didn't want it he didn't
want to become like rut plus so to speak
so he he it's an interesting thing that
you're saying because I remember seeing
an article in the
mishak going to write about you we
caught you what no I just read the
introduction because anything that will
aggravate me in the Mish I read but it
it started it was very interesting
apparently with H's purm was
unbelievable right and so uh so the guy
who's writing the article he says I
spoke to you
know about goes you can't write about
his poem you can't describe it and he
went to three and they all said the same
thing you can't describe it right he
goes but basically what he said is what
I have to write an article so I'm going
to do it
anyway but the fact that they would say
that about Riv Hood's I never heard that
about anybody like you can't describe it
no one ever said that about the brisk
rev nobody said there was something
about Riv hutner that was on a different
level than than else hence there's no
there's no arle biography of rut how
come I never realized that yeah and
there's no did you Jonathan well the
same kind was the listen ra rep have a
lot in common in that sense that they
were both way Larger than Life and there
was uh it was very hard to put down in
words the way that they thought and the
way that they did things and the way
that they ran
things hence I hid behind other people
in my
safer all right so when does now you got
into him when you ended up in Mish yes
so that was now this was
a uh a moment in history right that has
never been before or since right now the
way I
understand the story is that re elephant
in it was a black hole and he would suck
up everybody into it anyone who had any
potential he would right away hire him
and come to it yeah uh and it wasn't
only that because I heard when I was in
in 1975 they said be careful when you
come to the airport because elephant
would stand there with a van and when
you would come out he'd say where you
going so you say I'm going to the mirror
I'm going to H go I said come I'll get
you a ride then come in he would drive
him to they're like What's this he goes
hey just stay the night we'll give you
supper you know and you can go you know
and that's how he would recruit at the
airport and he had everybody there but
there was too many big fish in a small
pond and eventually they broke off and
made their own Yeshiva many many many
yeshivas came out of a tree so that one
was michan right which at the time when
I remember was called split Tre right
cuz it split off of it so spittering
right and Raa was one of the people that
elephant sucked in Raa Ador he was there
he was he was there in
yeah was there yeah and they all there
they all there at the same time when I
came literally I saw these are the G in
your neighborhood I could not keep up I
could not keep up with the amount of
incredible at the beginning cuz I
thought he came in later into Mish okay
so that Thea and and it was a short
but later on what happen when when it
split and became split
M so deons ofon when they built it they
knew that for the Yeshiva to become um a
major brand name Yeshiva they needed a
scoop and was related to to
to and it was a period of time wherea
was available it was just coming back
from Stanford those Stanford years in
America so he
and that became he became a magnet
that's how later on M Hadis
where that's how everyone came to Raa
through mishkan and Mish was this
extraordinary seven years of which six
and a half Raa was there and produced an
insane amount of people in in education
we for example we just mentioned
R okay and RAB K RAB
Z and RAB walan and uh and
and all these people went out and and
changed the world this is it did not do
this it Pro in ER they did ER Russ a lot
of them came out of there right yes so
if you ask who the who are the two
biggest people in shabas today it was
Rabbi galber who wrote with the the
the and pet pet they they were all there
everyone was said a lot of the big
rashish Shas today went through it not
just panovich and not just brisk and Kon
right it was a lot of them came through
it but Mish literally the ones
especially in kirv um produced a huge
amount of people that went through now
how did that happen why why did that
that's not no Yeshiva does that no
Yeshiva looks at itself as I'm training
the the leaders of the next door in
Hab you know I never really thought
about it because everyone who came out
of there all said the same thing it was
it was somehow the message we got in
Mishra that we need you to go out and
save CLA right Risha was massive massive
in giving over that message um he built
us like like a stable of horses but each
one unique and special and expected us
to go out and change the world so that
Wasa was the impetus of that um R griin
was was was a full partner in that and
and and all the other stuff I'm
surprised cuz he didn't seem like a
Hab K kind of guy he was pich you know
yeah but in in this particular area um
you're right you're right okay yeah it
was uh as they say in Facebook it was
complicated but yeah but he know I rash
was was was um was a big big um lover of
Raa he used to sit risha's feet like a
talid even though they were together on
the same staff um and uh he held of
everything that rosha was doing in Yesa
except for when they
didn't well they rosha St yeah they had
reela yeah and they and they had Riv
gurtz exactly and all these people were
I mean these are some of the biggest
names some of the biggest names the
first year we got married so Debbie and
I we made a a permit we invited all the
young couples and rash had a fit he said
there's no way to you have all these
young couples there at a per where
people are drunk and he asked me to to
cancel it and then um raish found out
that I was canceling that P and he felt
it was very important for the wies to
have such a thing and he said the
following words he says if might tell me
them don't know how to behave in such a
situation I have failed wow and it was
it was a beautiful p and it was very
separate one and
yeah so um that period of time those
seven
years Mash first of all he was not that
well known and he gave us no of time he
was he was never that well known even at
the
end a lot of people didn't know who he
was even people may have heard of his
name people were not familiar with he
was not he was not was like your average
GLE he wasn't the the bista you know I
don't think he had a card exactly he he
was never part of a mo never part of a
he was never a rash of a mainstream Yesa
by choice he was offered to be but he
felt much more comfortable working with
our kids and working with he did someone
made a he gave about 40 shum a week yeah
you know it might have been more but I'm
not counting the secret ones in the
middle of the night but no no we are
counting the secret ones in the night
without that it's
30 that's how it works but uh but uh you
know he couldn't do that and be R yeah
so
one all have to go into he told time
this was after Mish days and that's the
reason people said mtj was never that
successful because Ra was too busy
taking care of ran said to Raa if you
would invest more in your Yesa Thea
would become a much bigger Yesa this was
the Yesa that he built after mishan so
said what what was that honestly I
forgotten the name okay so really made a
big impact massive impact he did it
together with his with his son-in-law
was the one that ran
it okay I can't just put myself into 20
blood of he he just he couldn't he
couldn't just become this put his whole
thing into a Yesa so when he was in Yesa
he was fully in Yesa and then he would
do his thing and give all the and do
everything else that made him Raa and
Raa felt that was what wanted to do to
be extremely eclectic and Broad and and
to be able to have that he knew
everything yeah I wanted to share with
you that you mentioned about his he had
a m and everything yeah so I I did not
fully give Justice I have a on special
needs kids now you think special needs
kids
exactly said he had literally he has
like me 30 40 hours of tapes just on the
topic of special needs kids and I I I've
been begging R so if you're listening
okay RAR if you're listening okay to
make it into a book not of RA but you
RAR taking ra and make it into a user
friendly so any parent with these uh
these uh these wonderful children one of
them is of course of course my
granddaughter princess KH so they would
get prop and prop so I just wrote like
one chapter of that famous letter that
he wrote of which R kamki said you think
you think a Rishon had written these
words because there was so much ter and
so much just a few amount of words but
what was incredible about this topic of
special needs children raisha had a
Mahal from the very practical how you
raised them how you teach them whose
whole thing is you got to treat them
like normal children exactly with any
other kid don't give them special names
give them a regular name that was my
personal story that's how the chapter
begins princess KH is named after her
grandfather and felt it was a tremendous
excuse me her grandmother it was a
tremendous
tremendous because it was a re you name
when the the the especially these kids
is a child that doesn't sin and is a
purveyor of joy and Sim makes everyone
smile makes everyone happy and pure pure
for the Nas and the same time he had
layers and layers of death what was a
special needs kids in terms of cabala
and what's going to happen with mhia
comes and in terms of the of the
extraordinary um elevation that the
nishas had trapped in this body he had a
Mahal in what was all about and most
beautiful of all because I only heard it
from him is this belief that just like
at her everyone was healed at her so
mhia comes and there's the process to
makak in the world so that chromosome
that cses Downs will be taken away and
um and we'll find the true nature of
princess khani and um this is this is
something that only one person could
have that extraordinary and the medical
Dimension he actually had a theory about
how science today can actually cure Down
syndrome
which told me that there was an article
I think in the New York
Times that came up with similar ideas
that raos had been theorizing all along
about how this could be fixed with this
whole thing called chromosomes I have
not used the word chromosome in a
sentence since I was in high school but
that he raisha was able to do all of
this stuff he told the
story where somebody was coming to work
with his kid and
um not schlomo not aomo and uh you know
she so whoever this is comes in and she
starts putting on rubber gloves so the
kid took her bag and brought it to the
door like bye yeah so she couldn't do
anything you know so he told the story
ofation he says because he knows who
loves him right right he knows who loves
him I did not put this I need to get
back to RAR because um I Heard once from
him that wherea from the airport went to
the house and he sat down on the floor
for 45 minutes playing with this child
MH so I need to get the the exact story
correct but uh somebody just told me
over in his name that 45 minutes to play
with the child on the floor you know
much have AA and patience and ability to
connect to a little child to be able to
do that now you said he was never the
same since his daughter died yeah that
was that was when was that um so this
was he came to ARA in 19 I heard this
from langum the same yeah afterwards he
become much more a softy it was a game
changer which is pretty funny cuz most
people who meet him would not say what a
softy yeah yeah what a sweetheart but
evidently he was much more I got I got
slapped much
less no but it it was it was he became
he became more like you know Zeta like
and and and uh when was that um was it
1982 I think it was yeah this during
that when y was born was um he he's just
he's turning 40 soon that help me out
okay he that was when he she was in her
last months and uh Ria took it very very
badly that was he I don't remember
anyone after the death of a child of his
stature becoming a broken man he was a
broken man he was well people describe
it to me that he was
fighting to save her life yeah and he he
was sure he was going to be successful
and he was shocked he wasn't able to do
it in fact when he was sitting shiv
someone told me he said he says there
are three Partners in creation the gamar
says mother father and because I didn't
agree to this right it's the thing theah
the r says that you can't break up a
without the other side's agree unless
you know
it's so said I can only assume that this
is but we just mentioned
once came in to where Raa was in
Brooklyn he walked in this is when
shulamis was very very sick he walked
into a room where raisha was ding aay on
his own I don't remember exact exact
numbers he gave but he DED a 40
minute of which about 10 minutes 10
minutes was spent
onu and he which by the way for those
who are not familiar did not D in a very
long except for when he did I saying but
it's a rule regular there are certain
people who always do these very
long he would when we used to D after
the shear yeah he was one of the first
ones done yeah okay that is correct but
when during that kufa in Mish was ding
40 minutes est's cader during that
period and um that kufa when he you
remember the story a guy came out to him
and says Reby what sui were you learning
in America so looked at him and says I
was learning
the of um of
right poor guy sorry for
this that's the that he used so he heard
he was arguing with right he says he
says he says he
says I can't my is not so
good he says this is this is Raa was
arguing with God she's your I mean how
do you know the story from he came in
and watched him d
yeah he but he's your daughter as well
he's your daughter as well and just it's
so powerful and and and the only other
person I know that used to D that was
the CL and told me to tell my and not to
D that way you should not be talking to
except for the end the very end of
before you take you three steps back
because he felt that our generation
doesn't have that to talk
to
but when he was alone it was just him
and and no one was watching except for
Reitz who had sneaked in so he was
fighting the Mal and he was arguing with
to keep sh alive and another thing I did
not put into the book Rebel Lum he was
that is that uh at the Shiva the levah
he he wanted to jump in into the Kev
with her they had to pull him back heard
that right and then after the after the
the Levi was over he pulled himself
together and he called over all the T
that were there and he said tonight one
of theab has a he said you have to
promise me I can't go you have to prom
you're going to dance there as if you
saw nothing here
today give it give it your all that was
his heart I heard another version of
that that as he was getting to the car
he saw that talet who was getting
married and he went over and said a few
like said a few words to him and then
went back in the car
I never heard that was and he says how
remember he couldn't talk he was like
how'd you do that he says he's getting
married tonight I didn't want him to
feel like I wasn't happy for yeah that's
unbelievable Next Level yeah next level
so yeah all right Rina so what do you
want everybody to take away from this
book first we want to buy the book yeah
to BU where is it available at all your
local books by the way I was just told
that not in Amazon there's 600 pre-order
on Amazon the the boats should be
arriving on American Shores very soon
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oh there 600 pre-ordered in am which is
like f side this is pretty impressive
and they told me this two weeks ago so
um yeah I mean look what I want most of
all is that your listeners who don't
know who is they just heard about him
from Rift TS and re Hartman and all the
famous tting that he had you will be
able to understand the depth of his T I
worked very hard to have 26 essays of
his Torah in a language that everyone
can appreciate it and it was checked
over by an adult yeah it was checked
over by adult yesterday I got a I got a
WhatsApp from sukii Barry you remember
it's from sui sui says that um um I went
to get your safer and um they already
ran out and he says the the owner the
farm store says a g says why he says
yeah I took one of those books home and
I was up till 3 in the
morning okay so so I did I CH
made and at the same time um to try and
get a picture of who the man was by
trying to get as many people as could
get hold of about 200 people I quote
telling over their stories in their
language to get try a vision of who this
this awesome rebi was mayor stel had me
speak in Baltimore after he was n and I
said I'm not an authority I'm not one of
the he goes no no nobody is everyone can
only give their picture correct like
their little snapshot OFA so share yours
you know and I and I really triy to to
just share my own experiences but I
listen to other people talk I don't know
who they're talking about yeah I can't
even relate to it I don't know what
they're saying and uh and that's that's
how big he was that uh I want to ask you
toid this
these crazy times what do you think
raisha would have said it's one of the
questions that been ask me raisha spoke
so much about ish and everything that's
going on and um and not just ishm just
the whole breakdown of our youth and all
the things that we're dealing with what
do you think he would have said he would
have said what he said that suus after
the Twin Towers went down this is Goa
MOG and he says and when it's over you
saw how the Twin Towers went that's how
everything is going to go there won't be
two rocks on top of each other
everything is going down that that's
what he said to anybody and I'll never
forget CU I was there and someone said I
thought the Holocaust was the was the
goog he says obviously not because M
didn't come but now it's starting and he
said once the reason people are going
off the D you find kids going off the D
from nice nice families for no good
reason is the gar bras that says that
the Capal of was put next to the capital
of uh of gogogo because in case you
think that the nation of the world will
not turn against their father in Heaven
right you know a son will turn against
his father he goes the fact that you see
this is a Simmon that we're in goog and
he would tell it to anybody who would
listen this is the beginning and I
remember I said to
him I said to him I said yeah but there
are so many people who today they're
casers to yish is only because of the
Holocaust he
goes I
said he
says Jewish identity he says he says
David when mashia comes everyone's going
to do
chuva and he added another time and not
like we do on but
but you know told Chua
says did you do chva says after this you
will do chuba right so everything that
was happening he looked at it as a
Continuum from the from the Twin Towers
and he was I I remember in the Thursday
night share afterwards he he couldn't
find words he just kept going like this
like like like how everything just went
down like that he says he says just
unbelievable you know it's it's doesn't
make sense you know and uh and he just
said this was the beginning and I'll
tell you what's interesting is then I
went to R Bulman and that same Cirus
yeah and he said and I said Reby what's
going on and he was nifter shortly
afterwards and he said D this is
goo like now when you find Ray Bulman
and on the same page they weren't
usually you know so uh uh remember
America went into into Iraq with Saddam
wasin it was a sh Raba yeah that's then
tell me the same thing maybe maybe maybe
it's the beginning a sh Raba is when
goog is supposed to start well measure
was unequivocal right this is the
beginning of the end and just watch it
happening so I don't think he would have
been surprised by what took place um and
like you say h is the final Y and the
day after this happens so it's you know
there there's a you know he says this is
the beginning and I'm afraid to say it
but I don't think this is the end and
every time you think okay we're turning
the corner how are they still shooting
missiles at us from guys how's it
possible we blew up everything and they
still have more missiles that they're
pulling out from someplace and every day
you see Four soldiers are killed six
soldiers are killed it's such a p my
son-in-law is there I mean we're we're
we're terrified all the time you know
when you when you when you look what's
what's going on in the situation you ask
how could this be going on and I just
hear
saying this is the beginning I think Raa
would have been driving us crazy to make
sure that we D yeah that's what he
always would say says the of is and we
have to defeat him and he would say the
other thing is M right that they they
have merious neish and we have to have
more merious neish than them we have to
have the merious neish of a suicide bomb
you know in our in our Torah and our
Mitzvah and and our daving you know and
uh you know he he was just and it was
worse than that that because he
described the suicide bombers as at the
end of parus toos where y marries into
ASV and the two are united together he
says that is you know that's aik that's
total destru is the Su the first suicide
bomber the first that's that he used to
say that is's kak of suicide bombing
comes from that that that that amolik
side that he had yeah can we finish on
something a little bit more
positive happier I want than what the
other one said he goes I want to leave
you with a positive thought but I don't
have one so I'll give you two negative
ones two negatives make a POS I'm I want
to say something positive I want to say
the last time I saw you brought up the
War I wasn't going to talk about it but
I think I think I think it I think about
it a lot what would M have said it's
extraordinary a lot and when I dealing
with NY what the kids are going through
and the challenges they're going through
what should have said I always had him
to ask my questions to and he's not
there that's that's the probably the
biggest hole in my soul yeah and I have
to say and not only not only because I
have nobody to turn to but because um
when you have a
question R Brown told me how you first
started coming he went asra m
bunch of questions and he would yell at
him you
know and he'd say I don't care if you
yell at me I have a lot of I have very
high selfesteem you know yell at me call
me names just give me an answer just
answer my questions because nobody can
answer my questions you know Raa could
everything Raa always could Raa always
had that Clarity and gave you
exactra and now we have to someh figure
things out ourselves I don't know how
yeah we have no choice we have who has
who is filling that role to today so I I
I go to so many people it's not the same
you know I go to make I go to gelt um I
speak things over with my with people
like you
know all these people just to to but at
the end of the day I realize a little
bit I'm on my own I have to find those
shoulders after almost 40 years with him
to give advice and to try the best to
give
the and I got a call from a teenage girl
who's father
uh uh NE died in the plan
crash and she says what does a want from
me now right and I
said the hero's journey is
alone you know that's why Frodo has to
lose Gand that's why Harry Potter has to
lose Dumbledore the hero's journey
ultimately has to be alone you have to
do it yourself I said now is putting you
on your a hero's journey right and
that's that's where you have to go and
uh to me the fact that someone like me
is taken seriously by CLA Isel as
someone who has something to say when I
remembera I say mom talking about
awesome and you got to come and ask me
and people are turning to me for advice
it's it's unbelievable because I would
go MAA and I was the smallest I wasn't
even a tet I was just a little kid
peeking in the window you know when he
was talking you know looking over to see
what was going on you know and and I
would go to the real Tom them and ask
them questions and things like that you
know but uh but I have a shadow of a
shadow of a shadow I tell you what
between all of us if me and you and all
and all and all the that he had in
Russia and and and and in South Africa
as well and South America and Mexico
across the F of plains of America
America all over France together
together we can try and recreate in our
own little way what he was trying to do
that's what he wanted that's what guess
we could bring it all together yeah I
want to say one more thing I want to
thank R sh because I don't know if you
remember the last time I saw you but it
was quite a while and it was in Brooklyn
okay we were Fring together I think
maybe on never fres no no no we were
eating eating um r said Sushi if you
remember in Brooklyn I never have eaten
sushi in my life so so it can't be Sushi
was my choice okay what were you eating
do you remember what you were eating at
that point then you were there food okay
not raw fish and and sticky rice why
would I do that and I always think to
myself it's
ridiculous I have to come all the way
about the D dinner yeah D dinner I live
literally a few hundred feet away from
you and uh I I just it's insane that
we're so busy you see people in America
more often than you see people it's not
normal and say thank youa upstairs right
that because of the incredible rowski
show I get to be back in this this
beautiful where we used to Le for many
years yeah and all the fun memories and
the perms together and stuff like that
and and the thousands of thousands of
people who are hearing maybe about Risha
certainly on this level for the first
time andem they'll go and buy the book
assuming they can find it some place
amen and uh you know and and capture
that essence you know our good friend
yakob be you know he had pictures on his
wall of a smiling Rebel yashiv and a
smiling Risha and you know certain gum
who were you you think of them in terms
of of Y like like your picture over
there you know and he he caught them
smiling I me he used to make them laugh
you know they didn't make him laugh he
just they just smiled when they saw him
you know he was once at one of these uh
rallies and bronzor was up there you
know and he sees him goes oh like he's
wav him from the face you know so raisha
had this this you know thing where you
you just think about him and you know
I I I felt like this was a person who
loved me and loved my children and cared
about me and I was nobody I was not like
I said you know I said you're going to
kill the J goes it's really very funny
that anyone thinks I would ask you to
represent
me you know I was a real little person
but I said I'm having a problem with
this kid I'm having a problem with that
kid he says bring him by we'll talk
right away and within 24 hours he made
time I don't know how it's possible
thousand my son was trying to get into a
particular is he called the guy over and
over again the guy wasn't picking up the
phone and I asked him once about it you
know and he said I've called him he said
look look at my I called him five times
you know he's chasing down some Riva to
get my kid into
it yeah it's a hole a hole in my
soul tell me about
it all right well for we so appreciate
this and just a chance to be able to
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