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hi I'm David olowsky and welcome to the
rabbi olowski show
and with you
what do you want me
to do another podcast as always it is
wonderful to have you along
uh Happy Holidays happy New Year
this is a special color my circus
Edition and of course
there's a special Mitra of simcha on
circus as we spoke about and I took his
podcast and what grade is similar could
there be to have one of the most dynamic
uh
um I I'm hesitant to use word
Entertainer I would say in the Jewish
World Nissan black thank you thank you
so much Rabbi thank you thank you really
appreciate
[Applause]
[Music]
thank you
foreign
this is really our first time together
you know now I've I've had other musical
stars on before I had Ari goldwagon I
had Lenny Solomon and uh you know for
these guys we go back like you know 30
years but this is really our first time
right so I'm going to start off by
asking what I think is the obvious
question I don't think you grew up in a
from home
no what would make you
so tell us a little bit about
Nissan black where did you come from uh
that's a very good question I'm still
trying to figure out where it came from
uh the truth is bigger question is will
you go where are you going where are you
going where you going so originally from
Seattle uh this is why the story's a bit
why I don't know and I don't like saying
it publicly anymore over the last few
years it's like not the most place to
say you can't it's worse
okay you know but I could deal with that
I could deal with it I can't deal with
the city being overtime I went to
YouTube in Rochester it has one of the
most cloudy uh Day More cloudy days than
any other city and has one of the
highest suicide rates yeah yeah that's a
like Seattle Seattle very very people
like to kill kill themselves anyway
um so I I grew up there in Seattle
um it was very very uh close in
proximity to all the shoes I grew up
literally inside the area so I was in a
Jewish neighborhood we were not showing
Shabbos but I definitely grew up in a
Jewish neighborhood
um but both my mother and my father you
know very typical you know drug life is
a as a kid I grew up in that seeing that
when you say typical I say typical for
where
that's not so typical from where I am
now but it was very very like I said if
you know to check the
um against the box now the truth is that
it's it's overdid and I don't think like
most black people in America even are
coming from that but I'm saying when we
stereotype I came from The Stereotype I
came from very much so that but the
difference was that I had that most
people didn't have
um was I did have still a mother and
father so even I had dysfunction I said
my mother and my stepfather in the house
I still had him I sell my relationship a
father in the house makes a 100
difference it makes all the difference
in the world because even as bad as I
could say I had it there were things
that I had that was much better you know
what I mean like I'm thinking about I
was having a conversation with one of my
kids
gonna tell me how strict we are and
we're more strict than whatever and you
know as you after you get it out it's
like one thing that they can't do and
they really want to do so so I started
thinking about that I felt the same way
when I was a kid now mind you I grew up
in a like
the things that I saw were unimaginable
the things that I saw and the things I
got to experience and things I was
involved but compared to most of my
friends who didn't have a father figure
in the house wow they were either being
raised by their grandmother stuff like
that I felt like I was being you know
smothered you know what I'm saying a
little bit my kids when they complain
about me I said my father had one
educational device he took off his belt
and beat you that was the only thing we
knew you know and it's complain about me
right right
exactly it's crazy uh what we've come to
um but anyway so I grew up
seeing a lot of violence Tiffany's like
that and then as you as you grew up in
that type of neighborhood you sort of
become a product of your environment
what was interesting about me is that I
always
um I always felt a little out of place
you know always felt that uh there were
deeper things I don't know why I went to
school you you were like a good student
until maybe my middle school years
meaning that through Elementary I was
you know almost valedictorian and all
the other stuff yeah I think I lost like
to one friend I'm still a little salty
about it but it's okay I'm I'm gonna
make it through uh but by the time I got
into the sixth grade and around my
seventh grade year I was gonna make a
lot of time to come from that kind of a
background and to do your homework
listen full disclosure yeah my parents
work day and night so I came home there
was nobody there exactly to tell you
what to do you know right I made supper
for myself you know one of my brothers
you know I stayed up and watched Johnny
Coyle so I was only second grade to
watching Johnny Carson in the one
o'clock in the morning and uh you know I
went to a day half asleep but I never
did my homework you know you're in
elementary
yeah I was doing my homework until sixth
or seventh grade by the time I was
already in the third grade that's when I
started smoking pot so third grade third
grade so it became a really serious
issue when I was around
12 12 13. that was when it became an
issue and since there were plants
growing in my living room I mean I'm
sorry in my bedroom their room in my
bedroom because of the way that my
closet was I guess that's where like I
thought was the best place to to put the
put the plants so you know an easy
access and that Uncle who lived with me
God bless the sorry he was sweet but he
was definitely a junkie and so for him
he used to go and and and take from the
plants and so I used to threaten them
you know if he if he didn't share with
us I was gonna tell him so he was always
getting in trouble for the you know it
was a little shorts you know at the end
of the month on the on the budding but
that's what I did as a kid unfortunately
and uh so by the time it's impossible to
go to school by that time I was at
school I'd be that was the weed man in
school I was selling it that was you
know so I I found myself sinking very
fast I started running with a street
gang at this at that time and really no
the the that neighborhood it was
probably uh
a mixed High School wasn't black it was
it was predominantly black predominantly
black Yeah by me I could for sure in
terms of neighborhood where you are
where I was it's very very diverse I
think 98118 I don't know if it still is
but definitely growing up it was the
most we always heard it was I never
looked statistics it was
they sent the kids to to a different
School a far away from us that's what
they did I mean there was probably I
could probably count on one hand how
many white kids went to my school wow
like and that's crazy in Seattle
the black population is not very big in
Seattle enough to be like wow there's a
school and yes we were ironically enough
we were I think we were number one in
the country in basketball for most of my
high school years and that was because
of the white kids no for sure
uh and we and we definitely were dead
last in in test scores and and education
we didn't even have books I always talk
about this but we had brand new
basketball uniforms and everything like
that I don't know who was allocating the
budget but you know they definitely know
basketball but basketball football
uniform state of the Arts Stadium I'm
talking about everything except the
sports we had I was very into sports I
played football I play football we're
very good at football so very very good
I mean through our division me with
smack teams up like 50 something to zero
you know and then by the time we got
very close to state championship was
always some very well disciplined white
team that knocked this off they didn't
have half the talented on us but their
discipline was like crazy and my
brothers went to sports I was a little
good at miniature golf that was a
special place
you know some people call it a sports
some people don't you know but those are
things I grew up seeing and I became a
product environment but the truth was I
was always still very a deep kid
even when and I was just talking with
one of my aunties I did like a uh
Instagram live and and everybody I've
heard it from my family I always said
that everybody knew you were different
you were always really a good kid so no
matter the the thing is truth is I'll be
honest everybody was so high all the
time that you know nobody really
realized
I was doing the time that the koof I had
when I was
I was you understand when you're hooked
on pot how in the world do you move out
of that yeah it's you you really unless
you get off the stuff no of course you
after you get out of it so what happened
to me was I I was I'm very very
fortunate that I always had some type of
uh
um you know I've always had enough fear
to stay clear you know meaning that my
fear of getting in trouble as a kid I
think it was because I had that Father
Figure in my in my life I still always
had that bit of fear to where I didn't
want to get in too much trouble right it
doesn't usually bring out the best in a
person no of course not but you so what
happens is I remember the first thing
that I did I was with some of the guys
is that I smoked something that had
definitely had something else in it it
was was not weird I don't know what it
was it could have been maybe mixed with
cocaine I don't know if your audience is
ready for that I don't know what it is
right that I took
flattened me in the park I was like out
in the park and after that I said I can
never again I can and so from then I at
least stopped smoking but that was like
probably the beginning of starting to
realize that you know these guys are
just running around they don't have you
know their parents are not really around
or whatever at least my house is
dysfunctional weird throws on this stuff
but at least have parents at least care
about me you understand so these things
start to wake me up a little bit I was
running away a lot as a kid running away
from from the house thing
to other family members that I know I
could just go do be Healthcare whatever
and and the truth is is that that's when
you start to realize that you have love
at home like nobody's gonna love you
like you loved at home so that's that
that was the beginning I would say of
the wake-up calls for me
um I had got in trouble I mean I think I
was 13.
when I first got shot at it was a it was
like with some other I didn't even think
there was some conflict going on with
some other guys but we just happened to
have been in the area they thought we
were all with them all of a sudden shots
start firing we're running and I'm you
know seeing bullets you know you have
some traumatic stuff happen you know as
a young kid you start to you either wake
up or you go deeper into sleep for me it
started to wake me up so right around 13
14 I was going to this instead of going
to a hip-hop program that a friend now
this friend that brought me there God
bless his heart but like he was a
gangster but but it was a it was an
opportunity to think it was in the
hip-hop world yeah based on my short
research the truth is the truth is most
of it today it you know there was a
takufa win rap was more like that
um which was which is which really was
not the culture of hip-hop but is there
a difference between rap and hip-hop
they are today now used interchangeably
but it's a lot of deal it's like saying
uh you know uh a Israel and a Jew it's
like it's an Israelite Jewish it's like
that now what happened was technically
is that hip-hop is is a is is
technically a culture rap is one of
those elements of that of that culture
right I mean let's call it Spade of
spade you know we came over here meaning
that my ancestors uh from far as I know
at least the black side of my ancestry I
do have ancestry that's not black but
I'm saying came here as slaves and we
were we were completely ripped away from
any culture of understanding it came
from so over the years we always try to
build cultures and different things in
America just happened to be one of those
things so hip-hop is a culture and
included in that is b-boying a certain
type of dancing including the net is rap
that's one of the elements DJ is one of
the elements I'm seeing you know so
Matisyahu was reggae it's a different
thing that's Reggie that's reggae
I feel my just took it took a hit he
really took a hit he was getting called
the rapper and all this other stuff like
from they didn't know what rap was so
poor guy for me now so if now they can
know that he's he was only reggae it was
okay Eminem is
um Eminem is rap definitely definitely
rap
um but uh that's good we're schooling
over here I'm trying I'm really trying
we're going high we're going high listen
so kosher High
um and and so anyway I grew up seeing
all this stuff and so by the time 13 14
I'm going to this hip-hop program which
was at a Union Gospel Mission was a
Christian organization and it was
life-changing these people came into my
life
my family was not Christian my my
biological father became a Christian uh
over the years of my life and now today
he's I mean you would meet this guy one
of the best people I've ever met I I'm
talking about you never think he had
that type so before no religion I mean
not religious at all you know people I
mean I'm sure if they if you ask them
did they believe they would probably say
yeah technically we're Christian but
like practicing not at all it probably
wouldn't even knowing what that really
meant
um so my my father did time in prison
went to Seminary over there he came out
and and really changed his life
radically sold everything that he had
everything from that world and and
became a Christian so sort of what he
did with Christianity is what I did with
Judaism years later so it was it was
very very interesting
um how did they take it when you decided
to become a Jewish
um interestingly enough
my my father
um who is Christian who probably should
have gave me the most issues technically
right because I'm like joining a
different religion you know what I mean
uh he came to the he was very supportive
he's a big love for Israel so by him it
was much more different but I think we
connected over the fact that he knows
what it's like to be radically changed
by a god experience right and wanting to
change your life so I think that that
made him more accepting as opposed to
with a family that was not religious at
all and I would say my wife's family was
some some degree religious it was very
hard for them in the beginning very very
hard oh you get rejoined in a cult they
had no idea they're so foreign to them
like what are you guys doing like you
know so it was very hard for everybody
in the beginning very very hard
um but in all fairness we didn't stick
around so much to care about what
everybody was like I'm jumping ahead now
so you're now you're getting into
hip-hop and or rap
and uh yeah yes yes and uh but I was
always into hip-hop I have to stay both
my mother my father were both rappers so
they pioneered hip-hop in Seattle so
they were part of the first group 1980
they performed yeah but Grandmaster
Flash uh in the in the furious five and
and yeah yeah
things like all of a sudden like that's
the biggest thing is like I know people
a lot of times the fruit world is like
connected right but I'm literally doing
whatever I do I'm being tahara or
something that was given to me for my
birth this is what I've been doing like
literally
um I recorded my first professional song
I was 13 already right so I've been
going for a very very long time it
wasn't like something where I like
started listening to rap music I
guaranteed you from from most people I
would say even from from singers God
bless their heart they probably heard
more rap than I have in the last 10
years
singers singing rap yeah of course what
is it huh what do you think of it
listen you know everybody's got their
thing you know some some guys are good
no doubt about it so a lot of these
young talented guys are very very good I
see by a lot of young young Talent I'm
seeing right now
um a lot of it is because they're
emulating the things that they hear all
the time too you know it's like you know
a lot of these younger young Safari kids
like they want to make me feel
comfortable this they're using the
n-word casually and stuff like that to
me also too it's like they're emulating
what they hear I tell them it's just not
a good look I'm ready by you and we're
not we don't talk like this in the first
place but then the second thing like
you're not making me feel any more
comfortable right now if anything it's
very awkward I came to learn in coach
time 1975. it was nothing to do in
neutraline I mean they pulled in the
sidewalks at eight o'clock it's like
Saturday night the answer Yeshiva made
the Ashley issue a band all these people
came from the rock world
so when they played they were playing
Rock but it wasn't because they were
copying anybody that was there
so they came what you're doing is where
you come from that's your music
absolutely absolutely I'm not you know
it's not like some Yeshiva guy who's
trying to like you know exactly so I so
for me I've always been like
[Laughter]
you can write me a lot of things with
Google anyway
the truth is yeah so for me I'm always
the time like what about your kids like
my kids don't come from that culture
they don't come in that world so for me
do I encourage you to I can't really say
encourage I just feel like this is
technically this is literally what
Hashem gave me to do he gave me a gift I
tell it I try to run away from it I was
encouraged by rabbis and sadika even to
use my KOA and to bring people close to
the ship so I'm doing it
um do I recommend it for every person
just because you know they're listening
to the newest rap song or whatever and
they get inspired and now they want to
rap I don't really know if they're shy
to be honest you know it's because it's
you know I I forget exactly somebody's
gonna tell me I don't know if it was in
the silver Shalom I remember hearing a
guy at least I could say it over the
first place in my webbing I did see it
inside somewhere but I forgot where it
was I remember right by schmole Brody
would caution us all the time that
what's the true of old desire
is any type of Voda that's strange to
you you understand what I mean yeah
that's their voter like if it's not your
actual vote that has nothing to to do
with you and you're taking it on you
know even uh sometimes I get excited I'm
I'm around a lot of big Sadiq him and
they do things that I can't necessarily
do I start doing what they're doing just
because I'm around this person this is a
voltazara it's not mine they don't I
don't own that it's not coming from me
so sometimes I see these type of things
where these young kids are trying to
take on hip-hop culture and different
things like that it's about it's a
strange worship it's not it's not where
you came from I come from that world and
I don't act and talk the way that other
people like they're trying to make me
feel comfortable I don't know if it's
true or not okay but this guy was
learning machine I just move away and
someone comes out with them this is an
old story and he says what are you doing
why aren't you losing a real Mission ice
he says this is very good he says it's
not for you it's for about the bottom if
people can't learn English everybody
should learn it he says what do you know
because I'm kahati
so I wrote it for somebody when I read
it for you you know like you you should
be sitting down learning really nice
right right
in the beginning no like I said at 13 I
started by the time I was 15 I started
performing at like nightclubs I wasn't
old enough to get into I used to have a
escort take me into the nightclub and
then I have to go back out I said I'm
gonna lose their liquor license so
um that's why I started like literally
straight up groomed to do this as a kid
wow and then right around uh 19 I think
already throughout High School I was
releasing stuff and different things
like that uh you're still going to
school I'm still going to school still
going to school I was in high school and
because of the the Christian experience
I had when I was 14 that sort of changed
me that sort of got me on a good
trajectory I was able to go to school
and and focus I got away from a lot of
the friends that were influencing me the
bad way
um and and so and it was a restart
because I was since I was from my middle
school years I was I was uh I was
expelled from the regular school
district schools system I had a restart
when I was in high school they allowed
me to go to a regular high school so for
me it was a brand new start in life new
lease on life basically and and I did
what I can but I was a very very
um I would say devout Christian kid I
was very very very devout like not like
a little bit of straight Bible thumping
you know Bible study everything the only
thing I didn't do though was church
because it was on Sunday and it was it
was a it was a conflict with football he
went to a diving in an old age and this
old man has hog but he goes
Jesus this thing is heavy
another guy says well for Christ's sake
don't drop it
is
[Laughter]
putting that one in my pocket I love it
um so it it either way goes I was just
talking it's so funny I was talking to
my to one of my kids about this
yesterday and like even in that world
like how focused I was at least in that
place with my life was trying to come
closer to God you know at least from the
way that I knew it I remember my friends
years later they came here they're still
a growing pot now still growing pot in
the house by this time this time I don't
think he was growing it in the house at
this point he there was a there was a
takufa where uh when my dad meaning my
my stepdad I just don't like using the
term because I never call them I don't
refer to he raised me good man raised me
um
but uh yeah he
it was still at this point he he was
doing some good things on the side he
had a business for a little bit
um that was doing very well and you know
still the culture was still in the house
a lot of stuff was still going on but up
until I think it was until like nearly
my last year high school that the
contract that they had with the business
and then you know it was back to back to
the hustle and everything was was as it
was before
um but so that was my home environment
my name was not Niecy my name was Damien
black but I used to go by D black that's
what people used to call me in the
streets
and I was I was gonna I looked into I
couldn't go to shorts because I
converted Safari so I was already
looking into Safari names already back
then and it just after a while you know
trying to think about changing my name
sort of like ah whatever it just didn't
work out
um and uh and I'm happy I did that they
changed their last name too they changed
their last name also no I know I know a
lot of people also too and I just really
didn't think they were shy I mean
nobody's gonna call me up to the tower
by my last name anyway that doesn't
matter so last names uh for this for the
government they have nothing to do with
with the with reality anyway so I I
ended up uh going from from uh from this
camp and that experience that I had to
being the straight devout kid but I was
still making music on the side and the
music at this point was more positive
less there was no more Street stuff and
different things like that going on and
by the time
some of them some of them songs had the
Christian ideas in it but the for the
most part stuff was just sometimes I
would rap about rapping you know that
was that's a very famous thing to rap
about this to rap about rapping and uh
but uh more or less very positive no
swear words or anything and then it was
around 18 I was 18 a demo of mine made
it to the desk of an Anar from a big
record label and um they were very
interested in me but they wanted
gangster rap so I caved into that
thinking that I wasn't going to change
but obviously change you know because
you want to First Act to put on the
Persona then eventually you know you
start to make believing to yourself that
this is also who you are and uh so my my
inner circle my the group of people I
was around changed and um and I and and
although things were changing for me
externally on the inside I wasn't really
changing that much and I found myself
more confused because I was also
confused about how I was presenting
myself but I was still
a very strong uh forces in a person's
life oh of course yeah absolutely
waiting for them
[Laughter]
people that you all feel like you should
have done something you're right nah the
truth is we're doing we're doing big
things I know but you know yeah of
course of course of course I you know
for me I think I was always groomed that
way also too but then as I got older
especially certainly thereafter neither
Skype and everything you do sort of see
that yeah okay hashemy had this thing
planned for a very long time I could see
how it how how it all happened I
remember dreams I had as a kid like
literal dreams not not small things and
things like that where I saw myself so
so you're finally making it in the music
world yes at this point I we we'd end up
going with the big deal we started doing
it independently which was in a way much
better because we controlled everything
and so in in in the in the hype like
went beyond we kind of we sort of
overdid it a little bit meaning that we
we kind of like outgrew ourselves a
little bit like you know there were CD
stores on the east coast and stuff like
that calling from ICD and I didn't know
people in the east coast knew who I was
so it's like a sort of very interesting
place to be in
um but with that came you know also hate
as well you know other people want the
success you're having so that led to
altercation with another artist and um
it did not in the best way uh a friend
of mine tried to kill him and then put
me in a killer kill B situation because
they thought I sent somebody to kill
them and that was like the last straw
for me out of all the different things I
lost my mother you know a year prior to
this incident
um due to overdose my mother overdosed
um and and it was just like one thing
after another happening in my life and
me breaking down and even like when I
was that young you know Christian kid
the teenager you know and and growing up
into where I was I always felt that I
had a clock on like a clock was going
what was going on to either I was going
to
God forbid die at a young age or I'm I'm
going to be God's guy all the way and
I've I knew that even over there that I
I felt that people would say to me like
oh God Has It Whatever whatever but I
felt inside really that at some point
God's going I'm going to be doing the
God thing I didn't know at all what it
was going to look like where it was
going to be at that one point I thought
I'm gonna be a pastor and I know it and
let me get out all my still right now
because I know that in the future God's
Gonna either do that or I'm gonna get
myself in trouble so and um
and you know God had other plans God had
other plans so from that we
meaning we I was already dating my wife
so me and my wife were a high school
sweetheart so we've been together since
we were 16. yeah when I was 16 she was
17. I like older women in the world that
you were traveling oh my goodness you
don't know how unusual I'm trying to
think of how many married friends I have
like from that world like you know let
alone let alone how many of them are
still alive unfortunately very close
friends I lost
um so
so we were already dating and we were
already going through this whole entire
process already by this time already
together four years or so and um and we
we decided you know as I was growing and
learning and she was she was also my
wife come from a much stronger Christian
background you know we got married very
young I think I was 21 when I got
married yeah it's not so young I I yeah
you know in the real world the world in
the real world it's very young and uh
and so we started this life of us just
trying to search in and find what the
truth was trying to find God and and it
really led to me spending a lot of time
um going through books after I was done
with that situation in the the last uh
you know altercation I had with that
that guy had had dissipated I I said you
know God I'm committed I didn't know
what that meant I thought that meant I
was going to be a Christian so I was
definitely when two of you come from
strong Christians yeah so that's the
first place you go back to you you go
back and that didn't speak about it it
wasn't that it didn't speak to me
the problem was is that
was this was this God's actual
Revelation to the world yeah you
understand what I mean because it wasn't
that it didn't speak to me
the thing was is that why does it speak
to me that was my question like why why
this way you know I started to get very
very curious because I just started in
the regular way started praying and then
I started reading the Bible and as I was
reading and I started to see a lot of
things about you know
um about about what's going to be in the
attitude in the future that's what
happens the person starts reading
eschatology you start seeing that
everywhere in eschatology
in times in times in times I take your
joke you take my life okay
that in the end times and this is this
is like the biggest thing in the world I
talk about this a lot now when even when
I'm out speaking is that when you study
eschatology every promise that God makes
of the future through the prophets
includes the Jewish people the ultimate
Promises of the end include the Jewish
people not Revelations The Book of
Revelation right Revelations not the
Book of Revelations no I'm saying I'm
studying the pride yeah I'm studying the
foreign Naveen you know uh so you but
even still it's not the truth the Book
of Revelation is also two ends with the
Jews because at the end of the day if I
can remember very well it's been a long
time since I read the book of uh Book of
Revelations you know the whole Satan the
Senate the synagogue of Satan that it
talks about over this is because
somebody's not the real Jews that gets
used very differently these days by
certain groups
um but it definitely talks about these
uh these Saints and different things
like that but I was very very busy with
learning I had already learned through
Revelations a lot
as a Christian so but what I hadn't
really studied was Messianic prophecies
about the end times from the Old
Testament
Christianity of course they teach it in
Christianity but I was with a group that
wasn't so busy with it so I'm by myself
now and I'm reading the Bible for myself
but everywhere I've seen it was always
about the Jewish people about the Jewish
and so it made me start thinking like
Mal a lot of pursue him and stuff that I
heard people use lightly talking about
the church wasn't talking about the
church they're talking about the Jewish
people so it made me more interested I
grew up with Jews I didn't know anything
about Jews I knew I I knew how to
identify one you know what I'm saying
but that was I didn't other than that I
did not know by wholesale huh by
Hillsong I think it's bottom
you said it not me I say it
um so Sydney is studying the end of time
prophecies about the Jewish people and
you say to yourself hey here I am right
a black rapper in Seattle
why don't I become a Jew it wasn't that
fast
exactly so what what happened was it
made me curious I wanted to know that
what it led me to think about was like
why do I believe in Christianity what
makes me know that this is the actual
truth how come Judaism is not the truth
how come Islam isn't the truth I was a
Muslim as a kid my grandfather Sunni
Muslim so I prayed five times a day with
him when he lived with me I was eight or
nine so I wasn't you know I wasn't a
strong devout Muslim like that I tried
again when I was maybe 13 right before I
started going to the Christian Camp but
I wasn't like strong devout Muslim
um so I said you know I want to give
everything a chance I want to see who's
who's who's really telling the truth so
I started ordering all the books I had
the Quran I was going through a few
different versions of the Christian
Bible and NIV in uh in kjf V version the
the old King I had all the different
versions so my locals in Christianity
which one you should use that you know I
want to cover all the people I got you
so so I at a hummus JPS Tanakh and I was
literally every day for about eight
hours a day going through all these
different texts trying to find the truth
this is not normal
it was a thousand percent not normal I I
guarantee you I probably didn't have
another phone Jewish kids wouldn't do
this right right right right which is
interesting to me also too because like
you know I talked to I'm very oh sick
with the with the younger generation you
know what I'm saying even in the front
world and and because of why I'm also in
the not from world but the amount of
effort that I was putting in at least
even as a young kid a teenager is as a
Christian to come close to God was like
really like enormous and like
most kids don't really think about it
till they get older and I know for me
that's awkward so for me even my wife
was like that as a kid uh my sister and
brother-in-law also were my guy with it
like we were like that as a kid
okay so let me finish the story oh my
gosh yeah the story gets you messed up
everybody
you're right you're right you're right
same [ __ ] the shim should help so what
happened was the the after going through
all the different texts people always
ask me what was it about Judaism that
stuck out more than the than the other
ones there's a few different things but
one of the things obviously is that all
the future prophecies had to do with the
Jews Jews were a part of that was by
every book everybody agreed about that
right even the Islamic Hadith so I had
copies of the hadiths that were going
through uh it went so pleasantly with
the Jews but the Jews everybody agreed
that at the end Jews had to be at the
end right
um so that was that was one thing uh
another thing was was the do you think
they wouldn't try so hard to kill us all
the time yeah you think you think you
think was there but you think you think
but like who can deny right everybody
gives and they talk about why they're
correct and why their religion is right
and different things like that but who
can deny that
the Jewish people Claudius wrote being
here and Eric Israel after all of the
like I'm looking at it I didn't know
anything about Jewish history till I
started doing this now I'm spending
these eight hours a day I up until then
never heard of the Holocaust never that
and that's that's pretty ridiculous but
at my school where we didn't have books
we also didn't learn about the Holocaust
at least I did not none of my classes
maybe because I was in the dumb classes
but whatever the case is I didn't know
anything about it
um and so now I'm doing all of this
learning and research and I start
looking at this the Jewish thing to
stumble onto yeah and like who would
want to become a Jew after that yeah
well well it sounds so ironic right it
should be a different straight they're
gonna try to exterminate me if I join
no I thought about all this at the
beginning I was really thinking about
this it was just like wow
but what I couldn't help seeing from
that was that it was through the
suffering that I seen from the Jewish
people that I was seeing those things
and that through that God still uh
retained it and I think more than any
any Jewish thing that I read that was
probably probably Mark Twain's quote
that he that he made and I came across
that that was blown away because that
opens up your eyes and it wasn't I
didn't care whether or not because he
was Jewish or not Jewish or whatever but
it just to have somebody say it's so
clear that way to look at when he came
to air to Israel and to see the the land
and I just went through the Bible twice
now okay
and I'm seeing how many times Hashem
says the land is going to be desolate
they're going to be and for him to write
he was there it was desolate I came
across quotes different things
historians from the Autumn Empire and
stuff like that God's word was just so
real what's happening right and and as
as crazy as it is how many people
struggle with their belief in Hashem you
know like
I know it's not the most Pleasant things
but it's through the suffering of
Claudia swell that you can see that
hashem's money is in the bank you
understand what I'm saying if you don't
do this how many times and you see us
you know get expelled from the land you
see us the land is Barren you see that
there's there's no rain and we're
praying dominant from when you see that
Hashem is saying this so that means I
could probably Bank on about all the
good things that also go into this is
the Seven Wonders class from Discovery
exactly what they say never seen it it's
uh it's it's you're saying it over
really wow that's amazing
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I'm sure they have more good material
but I've seen all this and when I came
across the passages from Zachariah
um and and and from
um even yemi Yahoo I think this this one
one of them will use
also too also talks about this that
talks about the going coming to the
Jewish people
these things are like crazy because in
your world as a Christian right
your your ideas that in the end
everybody's either going to accept Jesus
or not they're going to hell and they're
going to be whatever right right and and
and coming from the Christian world I
was seeing and learning about the
importance of the Jewish people from a
Christian perspective of how important
it is for the Jews to be in Israel and
why they were doing all the funny
because that was that was my that was my
angle first it's like first thing was
like wow the Jewish people in Israel wow
look at God's prophecy coming to life
and once they're all there they're all
going to accept Jesus and you know
fascinating is that I I I've had these
discussions with Usher Wade you know and
okay but he was a Baptist minister right
right as a professional religion guy you
were a rapper
a black community where your parents are
growing pot and you're sitting here
coming up with all of these deep
intellectual insights into religion
which I find mind-blowing right right
right I I don't you know because was I
think that I think that like I said you
know that's who I always was as a kid my
mother used to always say why are you
asking all these deep questions you know
when it came about God I was asking
these questions about God and and and
you know how to how do we how do we know
um that uh what did I used to ask my
mother you asked my mother a question
about God how do we know obviously how
do we know that God is real what do we
do with our life if God is real we don't
live with that type of like but nobody
was in there over that thing they're
like man you're messing up my high
I asked me all these questions you
understand so I was asking very very
deep questions already as a kid my
mother used to always say that so I was
I was God conscious even and that's out
of nowhere there wasn't like somebody
was around it was that was just out of
nowhere right so when it actually became
a part of my life
I'm that type of person where if I do
something I'm going all the way I'm
going all the way if it has purpose I'm
going all the way so for me fanatical
person yeah I'm exactly exactly I'm a
fanatic when they knew that it was true
I had no choice right and I had to
become a rabbi
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but their club would encourage people
not to become rap but you don't learn
for for you learn because you're
whatever so I took that on to the
extreme even though there's wrestle of
rabbis I just took certain things onto
extreme but but for me it was telling
you now that we're gonna have to get
together a second time because you don't
have time now but I really want to talk
about uman no we'll get there my son
and and I I he gave me a little insight
into the woman experience but that's for
another discussion okay okay we haven't
even talked about any music yet
so so uh anyway here because I get I
could go on forever but but that is the
hardest thing always is to give over the
moment you're sitting there
and you start your world to some degree
is crashing and being built up at the
same time because everything you thought
and you knew about God about your
religion and all this stuff like I
didn't grow up like I said I didn't grow
up in it but I was developed and very
strong Christian in my teenage years
like I was involved in every single I
was leading Bible study groups already
so so that that moment when you start to
realize that hey
this is this is really the reverse you
know why is it saying that the 10 from
each nation is going to grab the hymn of
a Jew and say I want to go with you for
I heard God is with you all right start
you understand like this stuff when
you're seeing it and you're going like
the nations are going to come and say
I've inherited lies from my my fathers
as we are inherited as we're realizing
the things that we thought so you didn't
took this over we're lies misters and
pastors and I so my father my father God
bless his heart is a is a pastor now
today he's a pastor he's a at that time
he was already a theologian doctor
started founded his own Bible College in
the urban community yeah amazing guy and
I would never argue my I already had you
know kibu dive I would have never argued
with my father but I would pick his
brain on certain things about Christmas
Easter different things like additional
Concepts to these questions he had
answers but he answered me in the
affirmative yeah these things were Pagan
the church came they Sanctified and now
they and they did it he would answer me
honestly he didn't know why I was asking
and he didn't know what I was studying
or different things like that but I
would ask him and he would answer quite
honest because he's an honest person he
wasn't like he was like trying to hold
anything back and I also wasn't given
the to him that I was asked so that was
one person I was asking I had other
friends around me who were Christians
um mentors even that I had and I would
start telling them a lot of different
things I was learning and asking them
questions and they really didn't it
wasn't that deep for them so you know
for most Christians it's not that deep
most Christians don't know anything
about Christianity no exactly yeah I
know a lot more about Christianity than
they do but no it's true very very true
and it's in this ironic that most most
Christians if you ask they didn't even
they didn't think to look into the
history even of Christianity to even
understand like like you know one of the
things I started having trouble with as
time went on was like you know how can
you be really a die-hard Christian right
today evangelicals beautiful people a
lot of them very sweet people I do work
with a lot of them great but then you
know they never read Church fathers they
never they don't know who Ignatius is
they don't know who Justin Martyr is
they don't know anything about the
foundation of Christianity they don't
really know they only know at some point
they had maybe some experience and they
realized that they were a sinner and and
Jesus was was the solution with Jesus in
my heart and that and that was it
there's no way to argue with it yeah
yeah you definitely can you can't argue
with how I feel exactly
so so because of that it makes it very
very hard for them to ever have an
experience like I did right but most of
the people that if you see that that
become Jewish is because they were
reading the Bible and they kept on going
over it then they started to real and
they didn't allow themselves and I know
this happens to a lot of people who you
know come from Christianity and like I
said God bless them good a lot of good
people however they don't never they
just allow themselves to go I go by
faith when they see that in the Book of
Luke and in the Book of Matthew that the
genealogies don't match up like okay
we'll just we'll keep going we'll keep
going about that or if there's you know
four different accounts of the you know
in the passion Narrative of of who found
him at the tomb he wasn't at the tomb he
was he was already risen like nobody
ever gets it but these are all
eyewitness accounts it's like you know
yeah and so that's the thing is they
were all human so they all saw it a
little bit different than the other one
saw it different than whatever the uh
okay but that's that's true but who
wrote this how did this thing get
canceled his questions he went to the
higher-ups in the church and they said I
used to have questions like that what'd
you do he said I prayed until they went
away right yeah so so yeah yeah that's
not going to work that's a solution
you're praying today go away so like I
said I don't mean the harp on it but
that was just that was really a lot of
the things that that was going on with
me but it's hard so now you see
relationship my gosh Judaism is true
right right did you consider a reforming
conservative no because it wasn't even a
thing for me like you know I always tell
them you know I I'm I I I guess because
I'm out of the box I I do a lot with
different reform and conservative groups
and stuff I'm invited to perform at a
lot of different places where a lot of
these different denominations are and so
kids always ask me like you know why
Orthodox why don't you think of like
reform conservatives and everything and
I tell them
straight up I just went wherever God was
most popular I went there I
was attached from God and and wherever
Hashem was most popular that's where I
went you understand what I mean all the
way all the way and I would even give
him a lot of time
right right so because of that uh you
know it is like synagogues and so I went
back to my childhood neighbor first
thing was we were already confused like
are we going to convert We're Not Gonna
you know as we're coming into first
place
no she thought it was crazy no way she
thought it was nuts yeah no way she
thought it was nuts honey I think we
should become Orthodox Jews
no I mean because you know I'm
explaining this like like it all
happened so fast it was really a long
period of time meaning that you know we
spent two years in the Messianic
congregation trying to figure ourselves
out so that was a takufa itself of us
you know realizing all that I sort of
already realized these different
passages before so I thought the first
way in how do I attach yourself Jewish
people to Messianic because like first
thing I'm not gonna do is give up on
Jesus like that was the like the last
thing that's a one-way ticket to the
place I didn't want to go right in my
head so the first place was this
Messianic is like how do I qualify all
these things all these people wow they
believe the Torah is true we learned all
that and they also believed oh okay yes
we put Jesus is now he's just short wait
okay this is great
but the problem is over there the more
and more you you grow and the more more
you start to see that that this is also
foreign to to Judaism as well and and
over there it's it's it's it makes it a
little bit easier to make the step I
guess at least because what happens is
is that the more and more you you come
closer to the actual Torah and you're
involved in it and for us the Messianic
congregation that we're part of was very
big into torch about pay some people are
more like church but we're very big into
towards about pay they've already
dominating out of uh art scroll C dorm
and different things like that in Hebrew
so because of that it was a big stepping
stone for us to actually Yiddish guy
because after a while I was like well
it became very very hard to qualify why
it should hold on to something when when
all the problems
one place
in the original one where they slipped
in this thing by mistake that someone
had put in once yeshua's name in the
middle oh really yeah I can show it to
you oh so the camera is busy as a rule
our school leaves Jesus house okay
it's that's that's what they're doing
you know and so it was uh it was that
breaking point was crazy because there
was a what happened was by this time I
should tell you where we were it was me
my wife
my wife's sister was dating my best
friend from kindergarten uh uh Joseph
and uh so basically essentially me me
and my best friend married sisters and
they were they were coming along for the
rest they were coming along we were all
learning together we were sharpening
each other and it was all four of us and
and I even before I don't usually tell
this part of my story but you know as we
were growing
in my community there I lived in an
apartment complex I worked for that
apartment complex and I lived I was
holding like Bible study groups you know
every Friday night we didn't know
Shabbos anything so as we started
learning you know more toshibault pay it
went from like uh you know
I'm telling you and just like over time
the more we learned it was then there
was Hollows and it was you know saying
man the chef like it just started
turning into more Jewish experience and
more and more we learned nobody knew
where we were going with it I mean this
you know all the way till then when the
cuckoo came everybody
we made more juice
so wow so that was that experience and
the more you yeah at some point you got
to bring a rabbi into this well we did
so the first Rabbi I think that was like
beyond impactful for us apart from the
rabbis I was watching them chabad.org
um shout out to minnow Kaplan also
watching a lot of him uh Rabbi Shafer
schmooz that was like yeah yeah Rabbi YY
Jacobson I used to listen to online uh
this is all while I was Messianic I was
listening to all these guys I was really
in the place of figuring out I told Brad
my wife
listens yeah okay also so shout out
shout out to them
um so what happened was is I think it
was it was
it was a no there was a Messianic
conference where uh and we were already
one foot out the door already my wife
had come to me on her own and she was
the first one said I want to convert
Orthodox I want to but my wife like you
know we had come to a good point shout
out to Rob Irish for the the Ghana
Shalom that that book changed everything
when I got the garden of Peace wow chain
I know there's some people that I know
it's only but for me coming from our
world where we were
we take it we take the Musa strong you
know what I'm saying we take it and
all-time religion it's not I said I said
I see over time you know Ashkenazi don't
do Musa so well but uh whatever back in
the day we took it it was only by us the
safarium there you could patch up a few
times or whatever but still come back to
school so I would took it very very
strong I started doing an hour of
talking to him every day on my marriage
and all that and as we were growing and
I'm telling you till the day my wife is
fooling at me she's really filming in me
and so what happened was
she comes to me first and says she wants
to convert and now I'm schlepping feet a
little bit not because I didn't want to
but it's just like I never seen black
Jews before so like we're about to go
off the deep end now and and you know
enough that you're gonna become an
orthodox Jew right but you know you're
going to become a black Orthodox Jew in
a almost entirely white yeah yeah yeah I
mean that's got to give second thoughts
yeah of course then you think about was
everybody going to think what is where
we came from think what are they gonna
the whole thing is just like you didn't
want to know so Hashim arranged that EV
I think was air of Shabbos I was at a
grocery store and I was doing like a
self-checkout and in between the beep
I'm telling you with bright lights it
was like music played from heaven and I
could hear all the Angels going oh and I
heard shabbat shalom brother
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