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Parshat Toldot: The Twins Story - Rabbi Dr. David Gottlieb
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yes it brought back
Rebecca for for Isaac and they got
married I was 40 years old when he took
Rebecca the daughter pursue the aramean
from sisterwife's himself I'm not gonna
comment on all of that and they had no
children so Isaac entreated him Hashem
opposite his wife
it could be opposite it could be
concerning no questions whether she
was Davin he also thought she was bad a
sham allowed himself to be entreated by
his wife but Rebecca conceived as you
will see this took twenty years because
he's when they get when they give birth
when she gives birth he's 60 okay now I
come something very important a little
bit tricky and subtle and it'll be very
important for later on the children
agitated within her all right that
already tells you that she's pregnant
with twins twins right and she said if
so now the strict translated the Hebrew
was even more drastic than the English
why do I exist
mama said I know she why do I exist at
all she's in despair she's in utter
despair she went to acquire Hashem okay
query for you guys test quiz time does
she know that she's pregnant with twins
why why should she know today
ultrasounds often reveal shocking
surprises there's more than one in there
right this is the way for the mother to
know so when it says the children
agitated within her and she was in
distress it doesn't mean she's in
distress because two twins are fighting
inside that's not what
she's in distress she doesn't know that
his two twins fighting inside now the
question is what does she know or what
does she think I'll come back to that
that's the first question that arises
don't confuse what the text tells us
with what she knows
texted telling us but she doesn't know
that and she's an utter despair now she
goes to acquire Michelle she how come
she's taking a trip why doesn't she ask
her husband you know he's not just
Philip from down the street he's the son
of Abraham he's a great man solving the
Sun and he certainly will be a prophet
he went through the akkada
write this pseudo sacrifice somehow she
couldn't get any satisfaction at home he
couldn't help her I'm out assuming she
did ask and because she he couldn't help
her so she went that's where so that's a
good question and I'll tell you the next
words it says Hashem said to her now
here you can instruct your professors of
Biblical Hebrew there is a medical
tradition that she went to shame who was
still alive and he told her I the
English reader will say he says he said
to her don't push it off on somebody
else
but in Hebrew the lammott can mean to
say about not to say to when the Jews
make a break for it from Egypt and they
don't come back it says buy em apparel
Livni Israel no real cream Haim by mid
bar booking them a bit back part it says
Vera lives near ale there three days go
on start talking to them they aren't
there it means pyro said about the
Jewish people the lamb it can mean about
doesn't have to mean to and the oral
tradition says I'm not sure that there
aren't two opinions here rhythm
tradition I think about you please is
that okay it wasn't direct prophecy to
her she she got it from Shane who was a
prophet obviously he's one of those
three children God spoke to them but
what you end up with is that this
message which we're going to study now
and in 23 this message is coming to her
and not to him and then I'll extend that
in a moment but what are the Shem say
about her two nations are in your womb
two regimes that means like nations with
their own authority from your inside to
be separated the might shall pass from
one regime to the other in other words
they'll be competition and when one's up
the other hope will be down and the
elder shall serve the younger
this one you can write in your diary she
knows from before they're born
the older one has to serve the younger
one so much later when there's a whole
interaction as to who should get what
then what kind of blessings and so forth
and so on
she has this information and he does not
now the alert a live reader will ask
okay it came to her it came to her but
why shouldn't she tell him she asked him
he didn't have an answer now came third
so even on the surface she asked him and
didn't get it from him she went to shame
and got it for shame she can conclude
because well who doesn't want him to
have it because the girl wanted and
wanted him to have it he would have
given it to him and he was giving it to
me there's also a general rule that if
God tells something to one profit that
profit doesn't tell it to another profit
on the grounds that the other one is
already a profit because roja wanted
them to know he tell them direct either
way what you get in the end here is that
she knows and he doesn't and that's
going to be very important now let's
come back to the words on the page so
she didn't know she had twins
she felt some kind of agitation with
inner this agitation was so devastating
she said I don't know why I exist the
whole life is worthless because of this
agitation and then she gets the message
oh they're twins and they're gonna
struggle with one another y'all this
will serve the younger and now she's
happy oh okay fine I can live with that
no problem nope no and no evidence
whatsoever of continued despair or
continued inquiry or anything what was
the problem for which this was the
solution
why is she happy now I don't know of any
we're certainly nothing in the verses to
indicates this I heard a wonderful
explanation from my mom table the real
focus when we were privileged to have a
lot of contact when we were in Baltimore
as I have told the some of you when you
have a question which is answered by an
explanation that always leaves open the
possibility there are other explanations
if the question is answered by a
deduction then that nails it as the
right answer but this that's his
explanation there could be other
explanation as well but he explains it
as follows where there's a major rush
which says that when she went past a
place of Torah study she felt pressure
within her as if wanting to come out
when she went past a place of idol
worship she felt pressure within her as
if wanting to come out so that's the
experience that she has which creates
her despair now she learns that it's
twins and each one wants to go in a
different way and now she's happy so the
problem was cetera by table that she
thought it was one and it's much worse
if it's one than if it's two why is it
must worse if it's one than if it's two
so he quoted a famous incident in Tanakh
when Elijah the Prophet challenged the
prophets of Baal to a contest it's
happened in the Carmel Mountains near
Haifa
he said you guys believe in this
nonsense and I represent the creator of
the universe let's see who's right
we'll make a contest we'll each build an
altar well at least put an animal on the
altar with wood I won't put any fire and
we'll ask the one we believe in to send
fire from heaven and we'll see who gets
an answer so they do that they build an
alternate they put fire wood on top and
they put their animal on top and then he
says you're the many and I'm only one
you start call out to your I will end
your the gods that you believe in and
hasn't sent fire from heaven they do so
the whole day and nothing happens so
then he says totally my alter ego to
alter puts wood on top and he puts the
animal on top and then he says that
people bring water and they drench the
entire altar with water and then three
rivulet surround that they'll also
drench the whole thing is soaking in
water and then he says Hashem please
answer me it sent fire from heaven and
fire comes out from heaven and it burns
up the animal in the wood and evaporates
the water and scorches the rock said and
the people are very very impressed and I
say the famous words which we have in
our prayers of various places a sham who
were looking a sham is God Jemma's God
now in the middle of this process Elijah
says to the people how long are you
going to straddle the fence
i'm messiah tempo sleep or stay Asifa
which means jumping from one side to the
other
how are you gonna straddle the fence if
you believe in a Shem then dedicate
yourselves 100% to us yet and if you
believe in vow dedicate yourselves 100%
to Bob now the naive reader thinks hmm
is that a kosher Jewish I should go for
it of course our Jewish philosophy I
understand that if he dedicate yourself
to God it would be a hundred percent
dedicated to God but you're gonna pledge
allegiance to bow you should pledge
allegiance 100 percent about what's the
point of that Polly that is very simple
Elijah saying to them what kind of
people are you are you people of
principle when you make a choice you did
get yourself to it for that reservation
you accept it you pledge allegiance to
it or are you straddling the fence
sometimes this is sometimes that when in
Rome the road when it assets and you
have no principles of your own the
difference is this if you are people of
principle then you believe in a share
dedicate yourself to 100 percent you
believe in power dedicate yourself to
power 100 percent because in two hours
you're gonna see the palace false I'm
gonna prove it to you and then you'll be
dedicated to a chef hundred percent so I
don't mind what your initial orientation
is because I'm going to prove the truth
but if your people without a backbone
there are two types of people
vertebrates and jellyfish if you're a
jellyfish if you have no backbone
if you cram yourself into any shaped
container because you have no shape of
your own what difference will it make if
I prove it today tomorrow also you'll
shift back and forth between the two
position and that's exactly what
happened a largest demonstration did not
end the power worship Baal worship went
on for centuries so this is the
difference between a dedicated person
versus what I call a jellyfish now back
to Rebekah she doesn't know she has
twins she goes past the place of of her
study
she's pressure to come out she looks
better place of idol worship for you
pressures to come out she thinks it's
one she thinks she's giving birth to a
jellyfish that's why she's in despair
because al ever amount to anything
Jim says to her that's not the situation
situation is twins and one is naturally
oriented this way what is actually
oriented that way and that satisfies her
because she knows that even the one who
is naturally oriented in a wrong
direction it can be turned around and if
it'll be turned around then he'll be
100% dedicated to the right direction
that's the message of comfort in what
she hears from Hashem just one second
and I want to add to this something
which many people misunderstand Esau was
not created to be evil
Esau was not created to be evil there
was no predestination
he could have done better indeed there
are even sources that describe what
would have happened there would have
been four patriarchs and not three like
they were for matriarch right and he
would he would have a full-fledged Jew
and his children we were part of the
Jewish people
so he wasn't pre-programmed to fail many
sources talked about that in fact that
there was a division of labor set up
Jacob was supposed to bring holiness and
purity
into the world and Issa was supposed to
chase impurity and evil out of the world
this was a division of labor that's why
he was created with an affinity to the
evil in the world
defendants of course that's his
workplace that's his sphere of
creativity's is your responsibility of
course each site has its dangers each
side has its as its challenges it's not
a soft thing to do to bring holiness and
impurity into the world the vashem Tov
and the maggot of is rich on their
deathbeds the last things they said was
the quoted a verse which says don't
cause me to fail with pride I'll be a
reg'lar gather because they brought so
much holiness and goodness and and and
impurity into the world the last gasp of
the Sutton would be aren't you great
look what you accomplished
you really did all that good and that
would destroy the whole thing would
destroy the whole thing so it's not a
that simple thing to bring holiness and
purity into the world it has is for it's
it's temptations of failures also but
that was supposed to be the division of
labor Esau failed in his job the result
of which was we had to take over his job
and therefore the measure says that I
that Jacob gets his place in the world
to come and Esau's also meaning he had a
place in the world to come reserved for
him and he could have had it Jake we
gots both and Esau gets Jacobs placing
to him a place to get him if
he would fail and his own as well he saw
ends up getting double Jahannam and and
Jacob end up getting double gotten
double double share the world to come
why because Jacob rose to and succeeded
in his challenge and he so failed with
his chance but it was not pre Kroger
into ego that's why there's a comfort in
this to Rebecca because she's told they
have their initial orientations but both
could be good growth could be could be
successful that's to me that's a
wonderful explanation of the story as I
said it's long an explanation there
could be other explanations as well but
it certainly does explain the story when
the term to bear grew fold to behold
there were twins in her womb the first
one emerged read entirely like a hairy
mantle so they named him he saw now it's
not exactly obvious what the word esau
has to do with being red and covered
with hair the word esau in hebrew is
related to action the iron sin is the
two main letters of the verb to do
Iseult i see ya and as we'll see he's
gonna be characterized in terms of his
hands in terms of in terms of action and
these characteristics are being read and
hairy are associated you know other
biblical texts like with King David
others with people of action people
whose focus is more performing changing
the world impacting the world in a
demonstrative way rather than let's say
thinking and speaking and teaching I
said an example which is a different
type of accomplishment after that his
brother emerged with his hands grasping
on onto the heel of ISA they called his
name yatta Yakko Yakko was from the word
I cave which means he'll now let me just
try this out on you
26 starts after that his brother emerged
with his hand grasping onto the heel of
Esau any words there that you think you
could erase with no loss
how about after that so turn cater
behold the first one emerged it says in
25 the first one emerged and then
suppose the last one said and his
brother emerged or and another one
emerged I'm of course would mean he's
second caused it but otherwise describe
this first what does it say after that
whenever you have words like that it's
telling you a reason is that just
sequence it's telling you a reason
Jacob is coming after him and then he's
holding on to his heel
how dramatic so there it's Jacob is
somehow sort of trailing along behind
and holding on and holding on to his
heel but tickets the lowest part of the
body right now as we will see it's a
Shem over and over again the first
section of Jacob's life everything he
gets he gets by taking it away from
somebody else
everything that's his that belongs to
him that's his by right he has to get by
taking it away from somebody else that's
his first position in life eventually
he's going to get another name what's
his other name Israel yes I'll write the
word Israel the first part of it is SAR
which means a prince to a prince things
come without his running to get it to
Prince it belongs this is what he
graduates into but the first section of
his life he's below
he's behind he's following and he gets
what he get now that's there's a reason
why he has to do that Jacob has a kind
of dual identity and not only Jacob but
this identity that Jacob has his dual
identity is implanted on the Jewish
people throughout history sometimes
we're on a level that's called Yaakov
and sometimes were a level called you
swirl the both names remain with him
both names are used for the Jewish
people throughout history and divides up
the conditions that we are in the
different periods of history
so Jacob becomes the
template for the entire future of the
Jewish people and he starts out like
this way that the circumstance of his
birth perfect portray this in very
dramatic fashion Isaac was sixty year
olds when he when he went she boarded
the lights grew up Esau became one who
goes hunting man of the field your
translator put in his partial notes here
but in the Hebrew is no but Jacob was a
wholesome man abiding intense here
there's a bit a little bit of staying a
biblical scholarship when you have
parallel structure
you're meant to associate the features
in the elements in the structure and
it's supposed to study them how they're
related to one another to see whether
their correspondence is obvious them it
isn't obvious you have to work on it
let's take a look you have two passages
here with a tripartite structure each
one has three elements first is a name
you saw second is hunting activity and
third is his locus a man of the field
the second trio Jacob is a name Holcim
is something about the kind of person he
is an abiding intense this is locust is
where he is environment so in both cases
the first element is a name in both
cases the last element is where he is
Dennis the middle element that doesn't
look so obviously parallel in Esau's
case it's hunting which is an activity
how he makes a living how he provides
for himself and in Jacobs case it's
moral quality wholesome tell me Tom
now I just said that the middle
qualities aren't directly parallel
because in the case of Esau it's hunting
in the case of Jacob it's a moral
quality of being wholesome I'm not
really describing to correctly am I look
more carefully and do better than I did
yeah what does it say about Esau he
knows hunting there's a hunter does he
went hunting that would be description
of action no sudden things description
of knowledge knowledge is internal is
what you have what you are not what you
do so now already the gap isn't so big
and Jake it's still Jacobs of all
quality and he saw it's not a moral
quality but it's an inner knowledge now
let's work on he sauce case and see if
we can't push it more in the direction
of a moral quality he knows hunting hmm
what does it mean to know hunting if
you're gonna hunt animals that includes
Birds you know what quality must you
have in order to hunt
what patience that's what I take Alisa
class think about that I don't know when
there's no speech yesterday to me before
you must have patience I wonder one day
if there aren't ways of hunting they
don't require I don't know that's an
interesting thought what else must you
have I'll just I won't disqualify what
you're saying where else must you have
what kind of cleverness in particular
what kind of cleverness must you have
taken ok track the animals but in
tracking this part of the art of
tracking is to make sure that's closer
make sure the animal doesn't know you're
tracking him right because if he knows
you're tracking him you lost it he's
gonna make a run for the hills right so
you've got to be able to deceive gonna
set a trap better not be an obvious trap
better but look like regular terrain
right if you're gonna go hunting birds
hide in lumber and the bushes on the
birds can't see you don't make sound
they'll hear you right
we're camouflage
so they don't see you you've got to be
able to deceive all successful hunting
requires deception so when it says that
check that Esau knows hunting that
includes he has the ability to deceive
now we're getting closer to a moral
quality and it's the perilous structure
that pushes you that way
you have two names two environments and
in the middle he has something which
looks like unrelated no it's not
unrelated it's not unrelated think more
carefully about it you'll see that it is
really and there's what colossi this is
a quiet classical comment not just
giving you the textual background for
the comedy the most natural way to take
the puzzle is that the became gosani saw
and that should add lead you to ask so
what was he before became one who knows
hunting for that apparently he wasn't
Jacob didn't become he just was and this
I think is part of the background for a
famous comment of a channel for Hirsch
now he says the Edition that I saw in
the Edition it says that it's a
statement in the rabbinic literature I
have not been able to find it but often
enough there are manuscripts which get
lost and some people have it some people
don't
because we don't have his manuscripts he
says that Rebecca and Isaac failed I
didn't change the night order for any
purpose Isaac and Rebecca failed in the
way they brought them up they treated
them the same they treated them both as
budding Torah scholars and they trained
them in the elevated elements of the way
of Torah living that was a terrible
mistake
II still needed a different treatment a
different training a different
inspiration different education he
quotes the famous verse kind of law
Peter Coe trained the child according to
his own way his way not everyone gets
the same way and that was part of the
fish so they tried to train him in the
way that Jacob was going
it didn't take and he became involved in
hunting because what they were giving
him didn't take he
criticizes them as making a mistake in
the way in which they tried to bring
them up at any rate that's that now the
next verse is very short and very deep
very difficult Isaac loved Esau for game
was in his mouth
and again your translator is expressing
his reaction and Rebecca loved Jacob
let's go piece by piece Isaac loved Esau
for game was in his mouth in whose mouth
taken who's he oh he says it's the game
was in Isaac's mouth you interpreted
Esau his mouth so let's try to figure it
out I lost his son he loves his son
because he has a flashing diet wow look
at the amount of steak he's I love my
son he's just a big steak eater you know
that's that's throwing that he probably
probably that's a stretch right here
he's a hunter right he's a hunter he
provides his father with fresh game and
because he serves his father in that way
his father loves him just one second
nothing
and then there's no I think there's no
question that this is corrected and all
this arts I know it's not a simple
commentator who says the game is in E
sauce now let's take it that the first
part of the sentence says Isaac loved
Esau because Esau feeds his father fresh
game okay now it's moved in the second
side
Rebecca loved Jacob Beckham loved Jacob
can you deduce infer anything about her
feelings for Esau from that statement
report the first and second statements
in the verse are not parallel at all in
the first it gives a reason the second
test doesn't give a reason that's very
important we're not a position yet to
fully understand it but that's very
important okay put that on the side but
keep that to keep that in mind let's go
back to my question my question is from
words Rebecca loved Jacob can you
conclude anything about her feelings for
Esau her feelings for you so let me give
you a parallel let's see if I can make
this clear
I'm telling you about two students in my
class Peter and Paul Pierre does all the
homework and his answers to questions
are excellent and he expresses himself
well in class in his original ideas and
Paul always comes on time did I imply
anything about Paul's status I think so
about all that praise to say about Peter
yeah well I could say about Paul's that
he comes on time that sounds like um
there's nothing else to say having said
everyone I said about Peter here the
text testifies
she loves Jacob stop if she loved both
of them or certainly she loved them
equally then he should have said she
loved Jacob and Esau maybe even Esau and
Jacob after all the subject here is both
of them they're both in the same
sentence it isn't as if we're reading
Jacobs biography and then we're talking
about things that happened to Jacob it
happened to me that his mother loved him
then are you wouldn't be able to
conclude anything at all but all the
stories about both of them the very
sentence we're talking about has esau in
it to say she loved Jacob and leave esau
it's gotta mean at least she doesn't
love esau as much now let's go back to
the first half now it's time for a trick
question the first half says and you've
already given the answer the the first
half says that Isaac that Isaac loves
Esau only Esau Jacob's left out shall we
conclude that Isaac loves you so I'm not
Jacob I'm telling you the second half
which says the Rebecca loves Jacob
excludes Esau what about the first half
it's just Isaac loves loves Esau should
that exclude Jacob so of course people
here get nervous no no we can't say that
but you kind of see that we got to play
fair
either using one name excludes the other
one or it doesn't I'm gonna tell me in
the second half it excludes Esau then
the first day I mean smooth Jacob you
can't you can't deny that the verse has
to be treated in a parallel fashion and
your preferences for Jacob and
everything else we're doing shots I'm
shot to put them on the Shelf have to
follow the book and see where the book
leads okay but now he's already given
the answer to that what's the answer to
what the question I'm asking it's Jacob
excluded from the first Afrin I gotta be
he's gotta because it says only Esau not
Jacob is excluding him from the first
half somehow
demerit is this somehow critique doesn't
make him less know cuz the first half
talks about love for a certain purpose
love for a certain reason this is love
because he gets fresh game I call it
lunch love my love for lunch the only
one Isaac loves for lunch is Esau that's
true Isaac does not love Jacob for lunch
he definitely doesn't the first part of
the sentence isn't describing a fatherly
love for a son it's talking about
Isaac's love for Esau because he feeds
them fresh game that's exclusive that
relationship Isaac has only diesel and
not to Jacob but so what that's not a
loss on Jacobs part he's not a hunter
there's a freedom game in the first
place it's not relevant to him whereas
the second half where it says Rebekah
love Jacob and as he pointed out there's
no purpose play that's motherly love to
the love of a parent for a child and she
it said for Jacob but not for Esau
that's that hits that means somehow she
regarded he saw as inferior and not not
worthy of the same kind of love this
verse is extremely extremely deep that's
gonna be very important setting up
what's gonna happen in the next chapter
not right away van I said you know that
there's a rabbinic comment which is
close to what you're saying because the
base of biffy's which is translated here
as in his mouth that particle that
letter BAE's can be used for someone
who's using something as a tool
and they read it as Esau hunted his
father with his mouth he used his mouth
to hunt his father and what they say is
he used to ask his father super firm
questions gee dad I know we're supposed
to take a tenth of our food then give it
to people who represent God must I take
a tenth of salt also it's all the food
dad you know I know ice breaking I might
a mistake
so I sprinkle it on my steak so maybe
it's also food clever whatever questions
like that as a way of pretending to be
very pious No
and from that you already learned what
preferences Isaac demonstrated in the
house why would II so try to get his
favor with that kind of question because
you know the father likes that kind of
question he knows what his father's
oriented to his father cares about
father cares about serving God see she
pretends also to be serving God to get
his father's favorite you can do it you
can learn a lot from for things like
that but that's I would say a secondary
meaning here having known that he's a
hunter so it means he was hunting any
and he provided it comes out now as an
orientation for the later you have to
remember that Isaac has a certain
connection to Esau we don't know
anything about Isaac's feeling for Jacob
positive or negative it's not mentioned
here his certain connection has to do
with hunting I hinted to you already is
because he's serving his father for us
honoring and serving your father is one
of the biblical Commandments it's one of
the Commandments in the Ten Commandments
so it's not a small thing and that's
going to be a big important a big
element in how he how he relates it yeah
and then that would mean that he was now
there I think
this is this measure I just mentioned to
you here again one mustn't be simplistic
about it does it mean that Isaac was
fooled maybe not maybe not it
it means that he looked at his son and
he says my son is trying to make an
impression on me he wants me to treat
him well allow me to favor him right
how's he doing it well he's pretending
to be pious well at least he knows what
I stand for he's not winning race car
races and bringing the trophies home and
say dad love me no he's asking about
taking my sip from salt so already
there's a recognition there so he could
it could even work without his being
deceived it's not obvious that he was
deceived very very careful I have to
learn this all the time over and over
over again I'm a miser man often points
out to me that I just made free
association of free assumptions or free
conclusions and with a little more
critical thinking you could see that the
conclusions where you go one step beyond
what's written you have to be triply
suspicious of yourself that you that you
invented it
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