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Sim okay so we have a very interesting
topic tonight and we could even say that
this topic is not for a general
audience um it's a very sensitive
topic and uh we're going to get right
into it this week's para we find that
yobu marries first who he thought was
Rael but actually in real was
Leah and then yobu decides he's going to
marry the woman who he thought he was
going to marry from the beginning and
that is RA yob marries two sisters and
ran is bothered by the following
question and the question is if in fact
the a kept the entire Torah before it
was given we knowu kept the whole Torah
before it was
given even even
kept and yov kept the whole Torah before
it was given yov ainu even learned Torah
consecutively for 14 years he did not
sleep at night how was yobu allowed to
marry two sisters that is the question
of the ramban okay got it the ran wants
to know how could yobu marry two sisters
to which the ran answers it's not a
problem because the main place in this
world to keep the mitos is the land of
Israel ER is and since the OS were
voluntarily keeping the mitzvos they
only accepted upon themselves to keep
the mitos in the land of Israel where
did yov marry the Two
Sisters outside of and conveniently one
of them died before he got into Israel
so it's not a problem yov only kept the
T in is outside of is he did not keep
the Torah and that's how he was able to
marry two sisters comes with Yakov ketki
yov kamki was one of the of the last
generation and he ask the question that
really is very befitting of his
character and that is answer Yakov ketki
I don't get the question of the ran
thean wants to know thean wants to
know send this down the wants to know
how could Yakov marry two sisters what's
the problem I'll tell you how he was
allowed to marry two sisters he married
Leia you know why he married Leia
because he married her there's nothing
wrong with marrying a woman right he
married Leia now you want to know why he
married Rael I'll tell you why he
married Rael says rakov ketki and he he
introduces to us a concept that many
people are not familiar with you know
why he married Rael cuz he said he would
would cuz he said he would he told Rael
I'm going to marry you right he was
engaged to her in yish they had a v
right they had a v you know they when
did they have a vob
said and if you say you're GNA do
something you got to do it you hear that
you hear it's a New Concept a person
that says they're going to do something
is morally ethically biblically
obligated to keep what he said if you
say you're going to call someone you got
to call them you say you're going to
meet someone you got to meet them if
you're say you're going to do something
you have to do it not because you swore
not because you promised not because you
took
a because you said it and if you commit
to do something you better do it so now
what do you want Yakov to do Yakov told
Rael I'm going to marry you but now he
wants to pull out of his back pocket a
you know what a is
a strict measure he wants to be what we
call fromy he wants to tell ra I can't
marry you I'm a very from guy I keep the
Torah before it was
given yob why should ra suffer because
yob wants to be a from guy jakob's not
obligated to keep the Torah yakob wants
to keep the Torah he's taking an extra
legal measure he's taking an extra
precaution he's not obligated to keep
the Tor nobody told yov that he has to
keep the Torah before was so he wants to
be you know know very observant Ultra
Orthodox not at someone else's not on
someone not if someone else is going to
lose out so say of Yakov ketki you know
why yov was had to marry Rael because he
told her he would they had a ver right
and those of us who are familiar with
bukari and Customs they had K right
right K you
know I got a big education about once
you have the V once you have
the you're finished there's no backing
out right One Direction only you have to
get married that's asked so if that's
the case okay if that's the if the case
is that once you say you're going to
marry someone once you have the
engagement party once you have the V
once you have the you don't even have
you don't even have to have the sh even
without the sh right even before that
even if you just have there's no going
out there's no no getting out of it so
therefore kamki wants to know if yob is
obligated to marry Rael then what's the
Ran's question why is ran asking how
could Yakov marry two sisters he's
morally obligated to marry two sisters
sayov ketki D ran has no questions on
yobu D Ran's question is on God Ran's
question is on Hashem what's the
question since Hashem
knew kept the whole Torah before it was
given why did Hashem put Yakov in a
situation where he has to violate the
Tyra where he's forced to marry Leia he
got tricked into it and then he's forced
to marry ra because he gave his word why
did Hashem put yob in that situation to
which the ran answers what situation yob
only kept the in not in and yob was
never forced to violate the T in soov
ketki is introducing to us a very novel
idea and that is we once had a Shear
about what we call the sanctity of
marriage that about G about kishan about
how terrible divorce is now we're
learning an added step that once two
people are
engaged they are bound to each
other and they may not be able to break
it perhaps perhaps engagement also has
certain halic ramifications that is what
we're going to learn about this evening
okay so we
begin we begin with uh an interesting
idea and that is you know last last
couple weeks we're talking about right
we talked
about what does the word mean what
what's the what does that word
mean yeah people think it's a Yiddish
word It's actually an Aramaic word the
tarum the tarum on the
words and the land was tranquil the land
was at peace the T
says the land
was in other words the word means
Tranquility peace calm you know most
people are thinking it's anything but
that right if anything you know maybe
it's Lush and sag you know it's a
euphemism but that's what the ra says
the word means Tranquility peace
calmness you know maybe only once you
find the then you know you find
tranquility in peace but during the
process it's certainly a very confusing
time a very uneasy tenuous time and that
is why perhaps the sa gives a different
translation for the word and that
is literally it means you know you have
two Vines and they're mingle together
they're intertwined so is when you have
two disparate individuals and they come
together but could also mean confusing
you know so on the one hand a is a time
of confusion
but once you know once you got it down
once you found it it's a time of Peace
of Mind okay so let's talk about the if
a boy and a girl are
engaged is that binding now in the olden
days at an engagement party at a v even
at a k going back many hundreds of years
they wrote they wrote t means you would
write a formal arrangement that both
sides agree to commit themselves to get
married and the the boy side is going to
give you know 100 chickens to the to the
girl and they're going to give her fur
coats and they're going to give her you
know the leather everything she wants
and two Shel and the girl commits to
give the boy G he's going to sit and
learn he's going to get his rent he's
going to get insurance he's going to get
AAR a watch right cuffing a manora esrog
box all this stuff right that's what
yeah that and they wrote it down they
wrote it down on a document these were T
besides that they wrote in the tanam
that if any side reneges you have to pay
a fine a major fine okay so certainly in
the time that were
written and it's brought down in
the if one side wants to reeg you know
boy and girl they get engaged and one
side wants to back out they're not
allowed to it can't you can't back out
you can't back out unless it's mutual
unless you have the consent of both
parties
why why why can't you back out you know
so another very interesting idea is what
if you know at the time of the T they
decided they committed themselves the
girl is going to give thean you know a
silver srug box could the girl's family
reeg so you say what of course she could
well what happened they made a Kenyon
right they made a formal acquisition
they picked up a pen and they made a
legal transaction to that the girl
committed to give the boy a certain gift
so what that's called as you know what
as is as is when you make a kinon when
you make an acquisition because you
don't really think that there's any
possibility of something happening for
example you know if let's say um
somebody
somebody bets on a game yeah by the way
are not a
bet not bet the ra is more lenient but
but uh you know to pay these games poker
all these things for a it is there are
no there are no legal loopholes look at
that's a time for a different story for
a different
time means let's say I tell somebody I'm
going to give you um a certain gift
because I think you know we'll be able
to work things out so the is I am not
morally obligated to give you the gift
you know why because if something
happens and
unexpected so I could say you know what
I never realized that this would happen
I was banking on the fact that this
unexpected event wouldn't happen so in a
normal situation if you commit to give
someone a gift and at the end of the day
you want to reneg there is a legal
loophole to be able to reneg but when it
comes to T if a or a Kal promises to
give a gift to the other party you
cannot reneg why
not
writes you know why you can't reneg
because it's embarrassing it's
embarrassing here what's going to happen
you had a big right and she gave out the
sugar to everybody right that's what
happens she get and or you have the V
everybody comes all the rabbis come and
all the family comes and all the
relatives come and you make a big
announcement and you even put on what's
that thing called you announce on the
computer what is that called you put
only Sim and the whole world knows your
business right everybody knows you're
engaged so what's going to happen the
next day you're going to back
out the next day you're going to back
out of the of the V you're going to back
out of the engagement it's going to be
embarrassing let's say the wants to back
out it's going to be a public
humiliation for the T she's going to
have to go tell all her friends right
they may have given her gifts it's going
to be very shameful because of the
embarrassment T says that makes it that
you can't back out
it's you're embarrassing someone
publicly it's a public embarrassment if
the whole world knows that you're
engaged and now you want to back out
it's shameful to the other party Tov
says this is not permitted in fact I'll
tell you a little story and this is
certainly not for the general audience
yeah listen to
this this was brought down in the sa sh
marash marash was a student of rabf taek
we once mentioned him a couple of months
ago and he tells the following story you
ready Ruan had a
daughter Leia okay ruen meets a nice
young boy his name is Shimon ruen says I
want to give you my daughter Le you'll
get engaged and I'll give you everything
I'll give you
the the Edition I'll give you the I'll
give you the cuff Lings I'll give you
the gold W whatever you want yeah I'll
give you everything so he said fine and
they made an arrangement the's family is
going to give the kala you know three sh
and they they signed that they signed
yeah meanwhile they're not married yet
but they're
engaged meanwhile
Ruan has another Daughter by the name of
Rael Rael was married to a guy by the
name of
Ley unfortunately Ley passed away so Ru
NE is stuck with
with his daughter with excuse me excuse
me what happened
was um excuse me Rael passed away and
and Ruan is stuck with his son-in-law
he's an Alman he doesn't have anyone to
marry so he say you know what instead of
me giving my daughter
Leia to Shimon I don't really like
Shimon anyway you know when I gave him
the shot he didn't even thank me you
know I'd rather take my daughter Leia
and give him to
Ley because anyway he was a very good
husband to ra so I'm going to give Leia
to Ley so behind shimon's back he rips
up the T and he takes his daughter Rael
and he says I want you to get engaged to
Ley meanwhile Shimon says no what kind
of what do you mean we're engaged you
know how to do that how could you take
my kala and give him to another man so
Shimon says that's it forget it Shimon
throws all the gifts back into his
future father-in-law's house the finlaw
throws all the gifts back into his
future son-in-law's house and Rael is
about to get engaged to Ley when Rael
says Ley he's a bum I don't want to get
engaged to Ley so Rael calls
up ruen ah Shimon excuse me on the phone
and she says Shimon I love you I want to
marry you I don't care what my father
says so shim said now what are we going
to do ra then moves into shimon's house
and the father is is going berserk the
father up in arms what kind of Mano what
kind of bum is uh okay
Shimon so they get the rabim involved in
the case and the rabim speak to uh speak
to Ru they say look Ru it's inevitable
ra is going to marry Shimon the guy the
the boy who who she was engaged to at
first but let's make things good let's
try to do it in a pleasant way just
agree to commit yourself to give back
the the gifts to to Shimon he says Fine
on one condition we have to do this in a
decent way she needs to come move back
into my house and then I'll give her
back over to him like every father gives
a daughter over to the she said I ain't
going I'm not going back to the to my
father's house so now the question is
meanwhile she's living there
inappropriately so who's right you know
who's doing the right thing is Rael
wrong is Shimon wrong is Ruan wrong or
are you confused by now right so
basically marash pasin that the
father-in-law who tried to reneg on the
isar he's doing something wrong he's
doing something terrible because once he
committed himself to marry off his
daughter to he may not pull back
why once you agree to give over your
daughter to someone you have the V you
have the engagement you have the
whatever you want to call it it's final
and to reneg if for one party to reneg
it's and that is what says so that's the
first thing we're learning the first
thing we're learning is engagement is
binding because of the embarrassment
Factor
fine now we have another very
interesting uh uh point over here and
that is raised by the and the ader talks
about another story okay you ready for
this
the story goes like this this
is a young girl who was an orphan her
father passed away was engaged with the
young
man they had the V
fine um two days later the future kasan
is inducted into the army he's not
coming back for seven years so the
mother of the girl said I don't
understand I'm not we're not waiting
around for you I need to marry off my
daughter quickly I can't pay pay for her
anymore you know she's shopping with the
credit card I can't pay for all those
shoes anymore I need to get her engaged
to somebody we want to back
out we're not waiting seven we're going
to wait seven years for
the says the who doesn't want the sh to
happen if the girl wants to wait the
mother may not reneg why not
says there's a story in the Theus
brought down by Rashi by to by the AR
okay it may s sound like one of asa's
fables but actually this is where he got
it from tus Rashi the bring down the
following story there was a girl she was
very thirsty she's walking down the road
and she sees a big pit of water she
lowers herself down into the pit and
she's scooping out the water now she
needs to get up but she realized the
pulley broke she's stuck in the pit a
guy walks by you know Prince Charming
comes by and he looks down he says who's
in there she said it's me get me out of
here he said only if you agree to marry
me so he pulls her up she says fine I'll
marry you and then they say but you know
there no aam here who are going to be
the witnesses to testify and make sure
we keep our end of the
deal so just then a weasel was passing
by so the guy says you see that weasel
he's going to be the first
witness and you see the pit the pit is
going to be the second witness okay
what happened she was a good girl she's
waiting she's waiting she's waiting for
him to come back and marry her one day
meanwhile he forgot about it the next
day he married somebody else they had a
child the boy is born after a year a
weasel comes along bites the boy the boy
dies they have another son a day later
the sun falls into a pit the Sun dies
the mother comes to the husband and the
mother says what's going on here if the
kids would have died normally so I would
have been MTI as said then I would have
Justified maybe we sin but they died
with such a Misa in such a UNC unusual
way what what do you do what do you
do so he told her the whole story how
one time a long time ago he committed to
marry a girl and the Witnesses were the
weasel and the pit so she said no I'm
not your bash you need to go marry that
girl okay that's the story that Rashi
and Ty bring down the adds a few details
meanwhile this girl she was a big catch
every wanted to marry her and every time
you know somebody wanted to marry her
she said no no no no no no until people
started attacking her so she had to act
as if she was epileptic and she was a
hunchback and you know people stayed
away so one day they get a knock on the
door and this guy open up right he comes
to the door who's there I'm your get out
of here you know she makes believe she's
a hunchback and she's epileptic you know
she's doing crazy things said no don't
you remember me the guy with the weasel
on the pit all of a sudden she St stands
up straight she's beautiful and they get
married happily ever after says the what
do you see from the story if you tell
someone you're going to do something you
better do
it you better do it he promised her that
he's going to be faithful to the to the
to his word and even a weasel in a pit
where the witnesses and came through for
came through for him
says if the girl doesn't want to wait
around that's her choice but for the
mother to instigate and you know try to
say we should break things up she has no
right to do that you need to be faithful
to your word so that's what the ad says
another reason why the engagement is
binding why because you gave your
commitment you gave your
faith now there's another idea that may
come as a surprise to many people and
that is the same way one is not
permitted to marry two women right you
know married
to yeah no really you can't marry to it
right
you made that a person cannot marry two
women also made
a that you can't break an engagement
know that the
same in the same breath that he talks
about
the he talks about the of the that you
cannot break an
engagement who
whiches andash imagine the biggest of
the biggest
of cannot break
engagement yeah says the rasham says
excuse this is a Tak that the
you can't break it the same way person
can't say you know what a two women
that's for most people not for me right
would anybody say that the same thing
with engagement it's a it's a you know
how many R you need to break it you only
need
150 you need
for you only need 150 Rabon okay okay so
you say okay all of this is Antiquated
this is all oldfashioned you know why
cuz this is all in the time that they
used to write T they used to write
formal agreements but today what do we
do at a v you eat cake right and you
bring in a special cake from bar park
with the cream in it and you pay $80
that's all you do right nothing more
than that or K I mean okay it's very
nice you give out sugar right how much
does the sugar cost already it's not Cy
C what candy okay it's a little bit more
expensive but still not you know is it
binding cholate chocolate right but
there's no you don't write anything
right there's no sare so you'll say you
know in the olden days when they used to
write you had you had um but now you
know nobody's giving their word nobody's
promising anything it's just you know
they the they think it's time to get
engaged and you know how long could it
how many times could they go at already
how many times could they go to the same
you know to the same Lounge in the
Brooklyn Marriott so they decide they're
going to go they're going to get engaged
but is anybody committing to anybody did
anybody you know you know take a pledge
I commit
to so
what's is a person allowed to break an
engagement today so let's look what ra
Feinstein writes now raos Feinstein is
writing about a completely different
topic he wants to know like this a boy
in girl are going out and you're
interested in that girl are you allowed
to you know try to steal her start you
know you call her behind his back and
you're going to go out with her without
him knowing about it are you allowed to
do that or is that you know
like right imagine if uh you know we
order from Carlos and Gabby right
imagine if there was a guy intercepting
all of Carlos and Gabby's phone calls oh
you want you want uh you want fix no
problem you know and they intercept all
the phone calls and they bring food that
you were going to order from car gab you
know they can't do that it's only
they're you know they're undermining
someone else's business so if a person
is going out with the girl can another
guy come along and you know steal the
girl at what point could you not you
know at what point is it the other guys
what point is it his says like this they
went at one
time doesn't mean anything you could you
could
uh should not get involved in somebody
else's you know sh process but if
somebody wants to and they feel you know
that's the one for you're you're allowed
to if they go out twice you're allowed
to if they go out 100 times you're
allowed to as long as they have not
officially announce the
engagement but once the and announce the
engagement you don't need you don't even
need to give out sugar or candy or
chocolate you don't even need to order
that cake once the engagement is
announced says ra the of and the rash is
in full force so therefore
once announc her engagement for you to
go to try to steal the girl you're going
to cause them to violate this and you're
not allowed to do that
is today even though we don't write and
there's no formal K there's no formal
Arrangement the engagement is binding
why because people know about it people
know about it doesn't matter ashkanazi
doesn't matter what you do even if you
say we're getting engaged but but you
know what uh I'll decide later once the
word is official you know once you put
on only Simas once the word gets out
it's
over unless both parties
agree okay are there any times that it's
permitted to break
a so we're going to see now whatever
we're learning today where should only
be nobody should know of such things all
this should we enter should
be should
be and they should bring every so what
we're learning today should be purely
academic right what happens if
is he becomes a bum he be he becomes a
not if he was always a bum he becomes a
bum writes in two places number 17
number
18 let's say a person swears he swears
to somebody he says I swear I'm going to
give you my daughter as a wife and then
he finds out the is a bum yeah what does
that mean
he's he doesn't have a normal job you
know he makes his money
on
yeah you don't have to keep the it's B
the is off you're not bound by if the is
M up if the becomes a bum the is off you
could break it unless she wants it
unless she's also a you
know thank you now but be very careful
okay I'll tell you a story now had the
story not been in theud you know this
would certainly not be for General
audience but this is in the sh you ready
for
this basically K and kala get engaged
and the kala comes screaming
tried to
be tried to to rape the
Kal so they come to the the son of
the this should be a classic case
of became a bum Because by the way not
only is someone who's
engaged they can't even be in the same
secluded room as the kala
right can't even a Kala right if she's
a to even to lay hands on her and comes
with this
report comes with this report that he
Tred to be man so the son of
the you can't be the sh because of that
because he tried to but he didn't do it
he didn't do it so you see but but he
obviously a bad guy well maybe he would
have done Chua right
before that's what he said
I what do you mean but he was secluded
in the same room as her what kind of Ben
is he that's right it's
user says unfortunately not everybody
knows the that it's absolutely forbidden
for two people even if they're engaged
to be a secluded in the same room and
therefore as terrible as the thing he
tried to do what what are we going to do
we're going to punish him for his Mak
for his bad thoughts he didn't do
anything she was smart enough to scram
nothing happened well cuz he he
demonstrated one time that he wanted to
do something so the next day he went
back to yiva and he learned the BL gamar
and hopefully he won't do it
again okay surprising right says the son
of
the you can't break this you know why
who said he tried to be man an she
said she's not a kosher witness she's
only one witness and it's relevant to
her she's not gay she's not believed we
don't believe her we don't believe a
word she says and therefore the son
says ultimately he says he could break
it for other reasons but I'm just giving
you an illustration just because the guy
one time in the middle of learning gamar
went downstairs to have a coffee break
you know and you don't he's not the next
doesn't necessarily mean
he's
okay now what we have over here is
something very fascinating and that is
we have a whole long laundry list of
possible reasons that the P can discuss
of why it would or would not be
permitted to break a give you an
example everybody told thean she was 26
years old right turns out she's
yeah so is that
uh
or
or she thought now all of these cases
not so simple not so simple you could
break it
unless she's much much older you know
the case I gave is pretty clearcut but
the P can talk about if you thought she
was 26 and she was really
39 Sam surface says he can't can't break
it you got to do your research before
okay again this is not ask your local
Orthodox Rabbi okay I'll give you
another
case she she was wearing a mask turn
that her nose is a little too long for
your liking right
or you thought the guy epis you know he
could learn something he can't even open
up a BL gamar he can't even he doesn't
even know how to hold the right side up
that's the one case that you could break
the if you thought if you told the look
I'm G to give you some money you'll be
able to sit and learn and turns out the
guy he doesn't even know a gimm from
a the Ben it's off if if the chooses
what if you know the guy turns out to be
a mug so obviously in that case you know
but the Pim discuss literally dozens and
dozens and dozens and dozens of
potential cases where maybe yes maybe
not okay RAB we're going to conclude
this year with one
of oh just give me one more moment one
more
moment what about if both parties agree
to break the
sh should or is it better not
to it's still better not to it's still
better not to in
fact in still even even if both sides
agree in fact many G say and I know Ina
that's what uh rash used to
advise that better to get married and
have a get than to break an
engagement and that's brought down by
many po doesn't mean this is how
we but it just goes to show the severity
of the inion that there's a common
expression common
expression better to tear up better to
tear up better to have a get than to
tear up a t
okay you never get a anymore no you
could You're Still Still anyway they
still give a yeah RAB said just two
other then we're gonna get to an amazing
story what do he do with all the gifts
you know everybody came they gave gifts
at the at the V or the gave gifts to the
kala the kala gave gifts to
thean everything has to be returned
everything has to be returned in fact if
let's say the side paid for a or the if
the kala wants to break it she got to
pay the side for all they're expensive
let's say the K's family flew in and
people paid money to fly in the expenses
have to be uh covered okay these are
some of of the relevant but besides on
top of this if it's broken even though
obviously there's no divorce there's no
get AAR should be written it's called
a that the writes there's no official
but at least each party should have a
document in their hand you don't want to
have a situation you know they get
married and um that another case well
you get engaged to someone turns out
they were engaged before you didn't know
about it okay so these are all cases the
recommends that in all these situations
one should write what we call a you go
to a r the r writes a this way in the
future if anybody wants to know you have
now what does it say in the it says both
parties forgive the other party for any
embarrassment any shame and they agree
to forgo any Financial Obligations okay
RAB turn over your sheets to the last
page meet Benet okay you have the
picture over here Benet or in Latin or
in English his name was Marcus Benedict
okay but I don't think that's what they
how they he got called up to the Tyra he
got called up Benet was born in 1753 he
passed away in 1829 and he was the
acclaimed godar in
Moravia for 40
years what you can't ask this question I
have no idea you know no it's uh it's
where
no it's it's where Hungary is today
Hungary didn't exist then it's uh the
Czech Republic and we're Hungary we're
hungry in the Czech Republicans okay
here's a story you ready at the age of
60 years old the
godar Ben he became became very weak and
he started losing his strength and his
Sun rights he began suffering various
ailments until the doctor said if you
want to live any longer you need to go
to the Spas you know a few hundred years
ago they used to think they didn't
believe in medicine at least that in
that respect they were smart right they
they thought Spas cured everything right
they thought what still do
yeah SP you know you go hot baths fine
yeah so they told him go to kbad go to
cbad so he goes to kbad and T
what yeah he goes to kbad
1829 he comes to Kad he starts drinking
the water he never had such terrible
water in his in his life as soon as this
what he called a cursed water entered
his body he began suffering from
terrible cramps and his arteries began
to weaken and his ligaments began to
weaken 17 days later from the time he
comes to the
spa unfortunately the god passes
away
1829 what happens of course he wants to
be buried in the city right his his
children want to bury him in the city
that he was the RV where was he the
r in nikolsburg N nikolsburg he was the
r of n of nikolsburg he was the student
of R of nickelsburg and his whole life
we had there were testimony he always
said he wanted to be buried in
nickelsburg and not only that one time
his wife was a big sadas now by the way
his wife always pray her whole life that
she should die first so that he could
say Kadesh for her and learn M and she
died a year before he went and one time
his wife said you know you see that spot
of land right next to of nickelsburg I
want to be buried there that's what his
wife says to the r the r said no that
spot is for me I want that spot you'll
be buried next to my feet he says you'll
be fine so he passes away and everybody
knew he wanted to be buried in nichels
book The only thing was the law of the
land is you can't transfer a body yeah
they believe you know bodies carry
contamination and you needed to have a
permit to move the body so they didn't
know what to do so they decide they're
going to move the body to the nearest
city what's the nearest city
Lin they have they go to liat and
they're about to put the body into the
grave they give terrible eulogies and
they whail and they cry and ra the son
of announces I want everyone to know
that this is not where we're going to
bury the godar it's only temporary until
we get a permit I don't know how long
the permit's going to take but we're not
burying him here permanently it's only
temporary he he makes that announcement
before the burial he makes that
announcement after the burial and after
the burial R together with the rim in
nickelsburg they set out to try to get a
permit to move the body to to
nickelsburg first they go
to uh they go to V somewhere in the
Austrian Empire they don't want to give
the permit then they go to Prague and
they get a permit and the permit says
like this you can move him but you need
to first put his body in a coffin and
before you do that you need to Def
fumigate the body with all kinds of oils
and spices and minerals and then you
need to take the coffin and Def fumigate
the outside of the coffin then you need
to put that coffin in another coffin
then you need to take that coffin and
sprinkle it with oils and spices and all
kinds of uh smokes and then you need to
put the second coffin in a third coffin
and then you could take the body move it
from to n to Nickel F what happens they
come to the Kev and the people are up in
arms you're not moving him we were the
God is buried in our s and M he's kind
of his M he's buried here had it we want
him to be buried here after all
everybody knew that said that after he
passes away anybody who needs anything
you need a you know you needa you need a
you need good health right you come to
his C we want the address to be in our
city they said okay very nice that's
nice that what you want but he wanted to
be buried in
nickelsburg so they take it to the RV
the r said who needs think you are do
you have ack from any responsible r that
you can move his body I mean we don't
just move bodies we've been trying our
whole life to preserve the kadha of the
Mason you can't just move
him and then the rub
said a very smart thing you know if you
want to get people scared you don't say
it says in how to do it you don't say
what do you say you never know this
might not be good you know Superstition
it might arouse the wrath of Hashem woo
right and then everyone's going to get
all scared once you know bring up
something superstitious you know as long
as it's not once it's Superstition
people are going to get very scared so
that scared the RAB nickelsburg so they
didn't know what to do so they sent the
question to the
three the son of
the in prag and
theer and theer gets a letter and he
said what do you want from me you
already sent it to you know the two
great Lions but I'll be you know I'll be
a small Cub next to them let me tell you
what I think now the raban and
nickelsburg presented the following four
arguments to their case to be able to
move the body
of the first argument was look everybody
knows that a dead person a mace feels
comfortable among when a person
goes it's more comfortable to be among
the
family that's what the pum say it's more
comfortable so
therefore his wife's in nickelsburg his
mother's in nickelsburg his children are
buried in nickelsburg his grandchildren
are buried in nickelsburg he probably
want to be buried in
nickelsburg and not only that he said
his whole life he always told his wife
he wanted to be buried next
to so that was his desire
and we have the testimony of Gabriel IET
no relation to IET who was with him on
his last days and every night before
Benet went to sleep Benet said I want to
be buried in nickelsburg and if not
nickelsburg at least
Prague and rali his son when he buried
him he said I'm only burying him
temporarily until I'm able to move him
so the one who did theur the one
responsible for theur he said I don't
want to bury him
here and finally he's buried in
some in nickelsburg their mountains
around there no one could access it
nobody could D in there bring him to
bring him to
nickelsburg
say I don't agree with any of your
arguments
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say first of all like this okay if you
want to take a look if you want to
follow it
inside this is uh number sheet number
seven the second column the second
paragraph Samer says you claim this
Rabbi Rabbi Gabriel iash says that he
heard from benette that he wants to be
married buried in nickelsburg who is
this guy Rabbi Gabriel iish it's anyway
he's a resident of
nickelsburg of course he wants his Rabbi
to be buried in nickelsburg he has no
credibility
he's he's biased of course he wants his
Reby to be buried in nickelsburg so
therefore what what do we have to do to
Gabriel iish we need to tell him have a
nice day we don't accept anything you're
saying he's not
g so you say but maybe you'll say you'll
pull the following
trick says that the rebi said he wanted
to be buried in nickelsburg and if not
nickelsburg Prague now R Gabriel IID
couldn't care less if the rebi was in
Prague so regarding what the rebi said
that he wanted to be buried in Prague we
could believe him so once you take him
out of the ground
to move him to prag now he's ad now you
can move him to nickelsburg because
that's where his family is but says no
he's still not g he's still biased
because Prague is a lot closer to
nickelsburg
thanin then say
further I everybody knows he said that
he wants to be buried next to the Reber
of he obviously gave up on that because
if in his dying words he said either
bury me nickelsburg or Prague what do
you mean or Prague don't you want to be
buried next to the Reber of scha
obviously you know he wasn't so
confident that that would happen
obviously he was m on that so once he's
M on that
he's but says the argument that his son
rali gave that he buried him on
condition that he would move him that is
a very powerful argument and because of
that argument I am going to allow you to
move
him and the is about to give
a and all of a sudden in the middle of
writing this chuva this resp the chuva
takes a 90 Dee turn and says but you
know what thinking about it a little bit
more you know what I'm worried
about you know all the Jewish
communities in in Europe they used to
have the cemetery right next to the city
and the government always wanted to
raise a cemetery and move the graves to
some Far Away place cuz they wanted to
make fields and place for animals to
graze and the Jewish people were always
up in arms you know they wanted to
protect the sanctity of
the so what are we going to do now
you're going to take out the godar and
you're going to move him you know what
the government's going to say you guys
are a bunch of phonies yeah you believe
in the sanctity of the mace so look what
you're doing to your Rabbi says I'm
afraid this is going to cause the
destruction of all the in Europe and
therefore you're allow to move him
but thinking about it
again if you could make sure that
they'll realize this is just a onetime
dispensation then uh you could do it but
wait a very strange response
of usually was very definitive and
decisive in in fact said about himself
that if he gave aak and he brought a
proof from a gamar if you slugged up the
proof he would still say theak you know
why cuz his pack has nothing to do with
the proof cuz he feels he has such
Heavenly assistance to come to the right
conclusion that it doesn't matter if all
of his proofs are slugged up God gave
him the to say the right and here the is
going back and forth and waiting and
maybe yeah maybe
not comes the son of
theer and he offers the following
eyewitness
testimony while he was writing this
chuva he fell asleep
and he had a dream and in the dream who
came to him none other than banet and he
says I want to tell you something your
is correct you're allowed to move me but
not
yet because many years ago I was engaged
to the rabbitson of
lenat and we were engaged for 7
months and because the sh was broken
even though I was allowed
to they have a certain complaint against
me that I need to be buried next to her
for seven months the amount of time that
we were engaged for so you know what
you're right wait seven months and
that's what happened seven months later
to the date gave the definitive to move
to move Benet and on
Adar we have here in Ador in the
year
T actually it was then the year
T was moved seven months to the day
after
the received word from Benet that it was
time to move now there are different
versions of the story some say Benet was
engaged to this girl and that's what
you'll see in the account of others say
once gave a to break but the Lio tonight
I think is more even more important than
the details of the of the binding nature
of an engagement is the idea of rakov
ketki that we started with rakov ketki
writes in a footnote we didn't read it
yet in number 16 ROV writes you know why
the says that once a boy and a girl have
a v they should get married and they're
obligated to get married because he said
he would and if a person says something
a person commits to do something that
alone is binding that alone a person has
to treat very seriously you know we live
in a time that people use words very
freely and in a sense words have very
little meaning but when you look at the
and you see that words actually have
very strong meaning they're binding
there's something that a person has to
abide by that's a very important limo a
very important lesson that we could take
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