Parshas Toldos and Election Day: Is it Permitted To Enter A Church?

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com Hills New York so rivka is expecting and she experiences a very unusual phenomenon that uh something there's a lot of internal turmoil because I'll say around she says it's a very unusual expression right it writes it to they were running it says Rashi foreign talks out and it says expound me it covers over it highs what is this struggling because of him so says running when she passed by the Yeshiva of shamba yaakov Ren and was trying to come out when she passed by the house of idolatry Ace of was trying to break through Jacob was trying to run to the Yeshiva and ASA was trying to run to the church and she didn't understand what kind of kid does she have a schizophrenic so uh this was the the beginning of the parisha and of course Shema ever said no so this was a good opportunity to speak about a halachic subject and that is is it permitted for one to go into a church into what we call the base titless is one allowed to go into a church why would one want to go into well you know it's election day tomorrow's election day I remember when I lived in Queens so first I lived in dire Gardens so then the polls were in the public school but then I moved to The Majestic and then the polls were basically in the church on uh on Union Turnpike this wasn't exactly in the church building but it was in an Annex Building and the parking lot was the parking lot of the church is one allowed to go into a church or sometimes people go touring if you want to go into the Vatican is one allowed to go into a church so uh it's important subject and even if you are allowed to under what circumstances what if a person has a business meeting or even what if somebody's life is in danger under what circumstances if it is permitted would it be permitted okay so let's start with the possible era so in the uh in the introduction to the Maca of bharad when when bar was impending my own Mary love moisha moisha said to parai could say CSO here actually this was after Marcus Bara during Marcus Bharat so Paro you said get rid of this uh marker so much that you know what could say see us here when I leave the city F Roi says I'll spread out my hands to God the sounds will cease oh there won't be hell lamented so that you should know okay that the world belongs to God now the question is why did Moshe say when I leave the city I will pray to God why couldn't he pray in the city why couldn't he pray in Paris Palace says Rashi could say sies when he left the city when he was in the city he didn't because the city of Egypt was full of idols and presumably you can't dive in if they're Idols around so therefore para Moshe said when I leave the city and I leave the confines of the place of idolatry then I kadavin but so long as you're in the vicinity of Idols one is not permitted to Davin okay so this seems to be some type of a source that the presence of idolatry precludes us from serving Hashem the way we would want to so we have a chuva here from the truma sadashan the human seduction is in Simon who's the chuma sadashan was a reshine rabisraal israelin and it says the Shiloh the only thing is you'll notice it doesn't say who asked him the Shyla does anybody know why it doesn't say who asked him the Shyla very good because nobody asked him the Shayla the chakra is made up questions to to answer them many swarm are like that many quotes Farm are are you know responsive back and forth would compose his own questions one who's on the road and the day is waiting to pray here he's close to the hotel he's almost at the Holiday Inn he's almost at Howard Johnson right later because it's a city of a complete um entirely consisting of Gentiles he could definitely get there obviously before shkia he could even finish this Monastery by skill like the mission of so what should he do shoppers should he wait until he finishes traveling and gets to the hotel because on the road how much could you be having on the road you know they didn't have smooth cars back then it was a bumpy trip and who knows uh he would have to say it could be even dangerous we're on the road exactly using male tadavin so should he wait until he gets to the hotel to be able to dive in with some peace of mind oh yesada or should he pray in the field gam King he could even do that standing he could sort of Veer off the path so those are the two options Daven on the road or wait until he gets to the hotel foreign so go off into the cornfields and pray and nobody would bother him that's much better to diving on the road in a hotel that entirely consists of Gollum why you know why it's not a good idea to dominate in the city Lim there are many Idols in the city there are many icons in the city the many images in the city there are many statues in the city not only are there Idols in the city they're churches in the city but the guy's not davening in a church so what you're not a Daven in a city that has a church in the city you're not a diving in a city that has a church in the city Malone and it's kemat it's almost as if it doesn't exist that there's no hotel that's the house of a gentile attempts about him they have yoisels and yashkas and Buddhas and all kinds of avidazarus at the very least engraved on the wall you have graven images Abominations you can't dab in in the vicinity of such things in Egypt because it was so therefore says you're much better off davening on the road distracted in a very tenuous situation then davening in a hotel that has images and icons now he does say at the end he says but if you're not sure that it could be that you will be uh interrupted on the road right in other words this is all if you will have us a quiet place to dominate on the road but if you're really not sure it could be people are going to interrupt you on the road the gamshaft and in the hotel you could find a room like Karen zaves or a corner where you could dive in with um a clear Minds without the people of the house confusing you alone in such a situation it's better to Daven in the hotel so in other words like this all things being equal diving on the road if you will be able to have cavana however if you're afraid people are going to interrupt you and in the hotel you could get a quiet room and Davin um peacefully in the corner then you should do that okay nowadays every city is going to have avidazara in it so since under the circumstance so like this all things being equal if you could dive in peacefully on the road better to Daven in a road on the roads than to David in a city that has avoidazara in it however if you can be interrupted on the road and when you get to your hotel you could go into your own private room and stand in the corner and you don't have to face the Ozil then that would be better especially in light of the fact that nowadays if you're gonna dive in a city that doesn't have a buddhazara that basically only leaves you with one place to Daven and that is the moon right so so since that's quite an expensive uh um fare to get to the moon otherwise there's no city in the world including you shall I am that won't have avidazara maybe benebra that has other issues that happens today that has other issues yeah anyway there's a pesach program there this year if you're interested Okay so that's what that says that that um all things being equal is better to Diamond on the road but if you're going to be interrupted on the road then you could have it in the hotel now if I were to ask you in it clearly not because it was namishasur he wouldn't say that if you um that if you're going to be interrupted on the road and you have a quiet place in the hotel you should have it in the hotel it's all sort of diving in a place clearly then this idea of not diving the place of a desara is a preference because if it was not mishasurer we wouldn't allow it even if you'd be interrupted on the road it's a preference I if it's just a preference why did moisture albino have to leave he preferred to leave matrim someone of the Statue of did not want to dominate's rhyme even though it wasn't mamish alsar so this is the dioc of the toraham kashar in the past the chuma sadashan and he says um look at number five two lines from the bottom it's clear from the words of the chuma sadashian that the reason and the logic of the Makuta is this is in the same city or the same room that has another desarn it was himself was different so one thing we do see from the chuma sadashian is that it's preferable not to Daven in a city that has in a room that doesn't have but if uh if if the choice is despite the fact that there are some of the Zara in the vicinity so this is just talking about avoidazara it's not talking about there's not talking about a church let's begin with the following rambam this is an astounding rambam it's a shocking rambam is one allowed to live not Daven live in a city that has a church in it is one allowed to walk down the street that has a church on it is one allowed to look at a church and the answer to all of these is no no the answer to we just post three questions could you live in a city that has a church in it the answer to that is no are you allowed to walk down a street that search on it and says no are you allowed to look at it to that the answer is going to be it'ser so I just want to be accurate it's come out also so the question is then uh where are we gonna live I guess there was no nowhere to go there's no alternate road you know or maybe um I don't know she had no choice says the rambam there's a rambam and the piroshamaias of a desara the uncensored Rama foreign the house of foolishness now throughout history it was always debated whether a church was a base of a desara and part of the debate was is Christianity of a desara is Christianity other desire so there's a widespread misconception that it's not avoidazara so let's just clarify one thing maybe next week we'll speak about it no promises but maybe there's an issue of which means not only are we commanded to believe in one God but we cannot believe that God has numerous parts to it we believe Hashem is there's one God and that one God is uh non-compartmentalized he doesn't have parts but there's a Shyla is a guy allowed to believe that God has parts to it as We Know most forms of Christianity believes in right the Trinity the Father the ghost the moms are I don't know all the different parts but there are three parts they're three parts so is that considered abadazara seems to say that it's not avoidazara from there many think that that means that Christianity is not about desire says that that Christianity is not available and that has been uh substantiated by the recent findings of the uncensored rambam where the rambam writes everywhere that Christianity is in the uncensored rambam the Rama makes no uh has no qualms about saying that Christianity is about the Zara fine this is we have it on the sheet over here Suffolk says the rambam a city that has a church in it is you cannot pass through it but muskavaine you cannot intentionally travel through a city that has a that has a church in it call chicane La durba you certainly cannot live in it so you'll say so where are we going to move so the good news is they've discovered that it could be Mars does support life no but seriously Where Are You Gonna live where you live says Rama what are we going to do at last time Hashem delivered us in their hands and we have to live in their cities against their will to fulfill that which it says in the creation but now Wichita says you will worship their gods of Flesh and Blood eats via then right that's the Remus too the cross and and Islam okay so meaning according to the rambam why we allowed to live in New York City or wherever we do live we have no choice where else are you going to live God go this is the protest the impact who did certainly a church to look at it so you go on a trip and you want to Marvel at the beauty of the architecture of a church the rambam would say it's Quemado sir he doesn't say it's Usher it's not us sir what does it mean it's Kinada sir that's what you would have thought not yes it's come out that means like this first worry about what is US sir but this is kamada Sir what I don't know the cosecaine Le carave I love certainly you can't come close to it certainly you cannot enter it now I would say from the rambam is it also to enter a church I would say no because if the ramam is learning that you're now to go into a church from a kavach and how to look at it he doesn't say you're not to look at it he says come out you're not a look at it so are you allowed to enter a church come on you're not answered that's what I would say there's a rule in there so as humor as around them I never realized this before that's in yours close but as humor as the rambam is that you're not allowed to look at a church but he doesn't really say you know that he says come out you're not allowed to and I would say it's not mavour that you're not allowed to enter a church it's only before that it's certainly come at us sir but we don't pass from from around mom and the pair of so much nice okay but I'm just giving you a hakatoma how humor it is in other words stay away don't let your senses take in the sight that's what we see from the Rama now let's come to the halacha we don't pass again from the parisha is Caleb says we're going on the way they came to two Divergent roads right they have a great choice one passed by a church and one passed by the house of harlotry you know picker poison one past line the based off of this and one is so the question is what is it better to walk by uh that's your opinion one said to his friend let's pass by the church you know the Temptation for avoidazara is a lot less than the Temptation for arayos we're better off passing by the house of than the house of zionice um [Applause] let's dafka go by the house of harlotry the Nick balance run and we'll subdue it will elicit it will excite the Atara we'll subdue house it was tempting isahara so one zyna said to the other did you know they would do that and say yeah yeah we knew they would do that okay anyway and uh the gemara says uh are you allowed to do this and so on and so forth fine so we have this uh two Divergent roads one is passing by a church one is passing by the house of avoid the Zara and once has my church and was passing by the base Zion noise and the first uh thought the first notion was let's go to the house of let's pass by the house of the Zara and then ultimately they decided to pass by the house of arayos and subdue their Sahara fractises what in the world were they doing what in the world were they doing they were passing by the Baseline noise gonna pass it are you allowed to pass by a house of zionists is that a good idea what did the gemara Sachem says if you're walking down the road where you know they're a modestly dressed women and you close your eyes what are you called food that's a compliment no a Russia you're called to Russia there are two roads one road there's no right I could take the the city street or I could pass by a beach but I'll take off my glasses and you pass by the beach and you don't look you don't look what are you called a Russia why what are you putting yourself in the situation for now it's not good to be called to Russia not by a person by God if you pass by you say you know what I don't have to take a different path I'll go by this path and I'll close my eyes you'll run so how are these allowed to pass by the house of zionys how are they allowed to do that Sahara you know how to do that the answer is from this Kamara we see you're not allowed to pass by your church really you're now to pass by a house of Zionist even if you're going to subdue the eight Sahara but worse than passing by as of Zionist is passing by a church says twice as we see from here that it's the dark to move far away from the house which we say we first have at the Zara because they they prefer to pass by a house of Zion ice than to pass by um a church so even though what in charge what kind of eggs are they gonna have to go to a church right and even so even so the deeper meaning of it meaning there's a factor that the gemara doesn't uncover to us is even though the gemara says they wanted to pass by the house of the Zionist to subdue their yet Sahara but that's not the real reason because you really now to go out of your way to try to subdue the eight Sahara the real reason is is that it's mamish user to pass by a church not to go in it's Usher to pass by it's all sir to pass by go to the other side what are you I don't know at this point in the share you shouldn't pass by a church do we pass in this way the shark quotes the rambam and the Peru's word for word the shock says any city that has idolatry in it that has a church in it belief is it you're not allowed to travel through it so you should put in GPS you want to avoid toll paths so there's a new Option the same way you could have different voices you could have uh for God forget about male and female you could have hasid so let's fish if you learned something today it's kadai yeah you could have a Yeshiva you could have different kinds of ways yeah seriously no I feel about America you can have that um you could also there's an option this they don't have should you know I want to avoid the the Shaka saying you should choose that path uh foreign we're all Muranos we're like now that's a word I don't think the ramam in our text has were like Muranos when the sky is Adam so you want to know should you avoid passing by a base typhilis yeah should you avoid looking at it yes do we pass in this way says eight feet so it's always kadai to have your tape measure with you yeah always carry your tape measure with you this way uh you should know it could be they have an app for that I don't know yet you know somebody want to Market it are you with an eight yeah fine okay so far so good now what about not the avoidazara not the house of a desara what about a side room what about traveling through the parking lot what about traveling through a courtyard says the mission um I've always spelled wrong here number 11. here she is a city that has outside the city of Latigo if there's of us are outside can I travel through a city that has a Buddhism foreign if the road is designated for the church even though I'm not going to the church I can't take that road but if that road could take me elsewhere then I'm allowed to so what's going on over here why am I not allowed to take a road that that road has no other option than to go to the church I'm not I'm not really going to the church why am I now going to take a role that has no option other than going to the church says Rashi if there is no path out of that City to go to another city meaning if let's say a city has a very desire in it and the road I'm taking cannot get me out of that City I'm now to go on that road why foreign because of Suspicion it looks like I'm going to serve so listen carefully what we learned from this Mission the way Rashi explains it is if I'm headed to a church even if I'm going in one door and out the other but if that road only goes to a church I cannot walk on the road because people are going to suspect that I'm taking the road to serve avoidazara in the church but if that road could get me elsewhere so people are not going to suspect that I'm going to the church maybe I'm going elsewhere I am allowed to go on that road so now here's the million dollar question according to Rashi the isser of taking a road that leads to a church or the isser of going through the parking lot is people are going to see that if I let's say I'm tired and you know I'm on the road and I need to take catch uh uh a few of these so I'm going to pull into the parking lot of the church and I'm going to sleep for 10 minutes in my car if that parking lot is only for the church I can't do that because people are going to suspect I'm going to go Worship in the in the so the question is but what if uh I'm going there for a very important reason what if what if it's a Sakana what is the second is a person allowed to go into a church to save their life that's the question now so clearly if we're dealing with that question you're allowed to go into a church to save your life it would seem it's rather to go into a church if maybe you can't go in to save your life you would think though that if the reason you're not going to a church is because of marisolian the marathon is only a Denver and you'd be allowed to go in to save your life you would probably even allowed to go in to have said maruba let's say you have a client and the client says look I can give you a big business you have to meet me in the church you would think if the only is so it's a hefts in Aruba maybe there's a leniency comes the ritzvah there's no such thing as there's something called marisayan so that's the thing if there's a bathroom there if there's a bathroom there but if there's a sign that says the bathroom are for purchases of the Egg McMuffin only then uh yeah says the ritvan rash is reason it's a good reason foreign you're thirsty right you're thirsty and there's a big statue of the Ozil and out of his mouth water is coming out and you want to put your mouth on his mouth it looks like you're giving him a nice nishika but you're not you're just trying to drink because the person's life is on the line the gemara says if you don't drink you're gonna die you cannot go you can't kiss the Ozil so if you can't kiss the Yazoo says you can't go into a church ah you're gonna die it's only Marissa and it's not only marathione it's the dust of idolatryavar you you have to give up your life and not um not be over therefore cesaritva to go into a church to save your skin is awesome in a place where goyam only go into worship which is usually why go and go into uh Zara they don't there's no Daffy on me there during the week There's no you know what else are going right there's no so they're going about the Zara okay so the Ritz fall learns that even um you cannot go into the house categorizes where does Aretha get this from is it interesting tomorrow look at number 15. the gemara says let's say you got a thorn and you're sitting in front of the Zara you want to bend down and take it out you can't do it it looks like of a desire your money falls down in front of avidazara you want to bend down to pick it up not pennies hundred dollar bills you can't do it you have a spring that's giving water and you want to bend down and drink no you can't do it you have faces that sprinkle water don't put your mouth on their mouth it looks like you're kissing them look at nigamara what's the last case if we just say the first two cases of the case of Mayon is even when your life is on the line you cannot look like you're serving up at the Zara pascan zurita however says retwa but if there's let's say a side room in the church what and if there's nobody looking first of all Putin is always looking yeah he sees you the guy the guy in Russia Obama is looking every there's always people looking but even right the gemara says the gemara says this sugya says um [Music] for the water you can bend down and get it you can but how are you going to get the water if there's a way to do it if let's say you could manipulate the cup in your foot flip it up and yeah if you have a way to do without bending down you could do it however the ritva says if there's a courtyard in the church that they gather there for din or there's a bathroom and a side room or you want to use it as a shortcut you're allowed to there's no symbols on the wall you're allowed to in other words if there's another reason why people go into a side room other than to worship so now people are not going to suspect you're going in for that maybe they'll think you're going in to use the facility so again you can't go into the main sanctuary the main sanctuary people only go into worship but a side room you could go in even if your life is not on the line it's just to have sit in my mind but if you're light but in the sanctuary itself even if your life is on the line the shita the ritzvah is you cannot go in could you go through a parking lot but as you could take the parking lot as a shortcut yes you could take the parking lot and if it's a parking lot that people go in for other reasons let's say there's um there's there's a pizza store next door and there's no parking there so people so like it would seem that according to the ritzvah we are the voting usually it takes place in a side room and um and people know that people go to the side room to vote then you would be allowed to now I will point out what it's okay it's I mean I wouldn't recommend closing your eyes what Okay so we don't make any political statements I would agree with that okay so so the the Rama says that um foreign meaning if the road only leads to the church you can't even take that road but if it passes by to elsewhere you're allowed to because it is a Meda of saintliness to distance yourself from going even if there is if you have another road meaning as much as possible avoid it so does that mean it's not to go into the side room of a church absolutely if you have another place to go in other words to distance yourself from a church that leads to somewhere else if you have another road not to go into a side room of a church even to vote one would think that the remote is not saying that the remote saying is when there's an old one you have a extra levels not to take that road but the only way to vote is to go there I don't think that is saying it's me this hasidos to avoid it okay but that's the sheet of the ritva the ritva says you're not allowed to save your life by going into a church however the Ron argues listen to The Run the Run says like this two coolers look at number 16. um so you would say a city that has about the Zara you're now to travel through even if your life is on the line foreign listen carefully this din that the gemara says you now to look like you're serving on videos or even when your life is on the line that's only if it looks like you're serving avoidazara so it's marathon on the actual avoid you're now to violate my sign on the actual avoidah even when your life is on the line but if it just looks like you're going to a place where you will worship so that's Maritime on the going you're allowed to violate if your life is on the line he says a city that has a Buddhism if the gamara teaches us that when it looks like you're serving that philanu so I would say according to the Ron could you go into a church to save your life I would say yes because going into a church is not Marissa Ayan that you're worshiping but it's not saying that you're going inside to worship the absteroid then it could be the round says like this even Marissa iron on worshiping you're allowed to violate marasina worshiping to save your life I think Amara says you're not allowed to the gamara says you can't put your mouth on a spring if um you know it'll put your mouth on a spring because it looks like you're worshiping even if your life is on the line says the run when the gemara says even when your life is on the line it means that right now you're thirsty and you think if I don't drink now you'll eventually dehydrate but if you've reached baumaiman office and you're about to die you are allowed to violate Marathon even on the worshiping of abidazara so Iran has really let's read that inside he says the average limited says number one you'll violate when your life is on the line to go to a house but not on the actual worshiping and even the actual worshiping if your life is actually on the line and there are more pascans like the Run yeah and we don't say yeah so if Cancer's life is online there is but what about money what about if it's just a matter of losing money just a matter of by the way and that's how the paskins look at number 19. foreign Sanctuary so you're allowed to run to a church and the doctor also passes this way that this is allowed to save your life however if you're afraid of Bandits or are you afraid of being harmed you cannot go into a church even to protect yourself from danger only to save your life writes a story that somebody owed you money and the priest realized that if he runs into the church the Jew is not going to follow him so now the Jews in a bind you know could he go into the church and The Story Goes that no he didn't go he didn't do it now this doesn't mean it's awesome but you see the same that this is something that Jews didn't do there's another story about a Jew who went into a church and he felt bad so he said what day did you go in I went and uh your base one said every day every year basically the rest of your life you should fast there's one suju who went to the khutzer of a church he left he heard Hashem tell him why'd you throw me away and from then on he fasted for the rest of his life anyway that's just the story but here let's come to Allah myself we have achuva from foreign 1949 we know that to get a Hebrew date you had 12 40. maiza baliadi to get in to get to get an English State excuse me 1949. Maize the story happened a certain console died a cardinal um and they would bring them into their house of worship because then the priest would pray for him then it's back I was asked from the ravarashi in um if based on the recommendation of the king to advise them attacks could he participate in the ceremony because why go what should I do what should I do so by the way the first issue here is that um whether Christianity is so as we mentioned the sheet of emden is that for benign Christianity is by the way the Binion of the arachlanera of yaakov at linger he also writes he says six lines from the bottom and number 22 shots now this is a very interesting Shiloh the Binion seon had and that is they bought a house they didn't have a basement address and they couldn't find a regular house to buy a regular house it was that was made originally for residents so they wanted to buy a church and turn the church into a shul are you allowed to do that are you allowed to do that so it says you would think you could do it because so the first point he says is that's good for them for you then it is and therefore it's Moss it's disgusting you can't do it it's been done I didn't ask whether it's been done I asked whether you ought to do it and he said no the akati lagave is but if you need to you could rely on the Mizrahi that if it wasn't built originally as a House of a desire was built as a residence and then they used it as of a desire then you can make it into a show which is usually never the case but um the opinion of the vineyard scene is you can't what about places that did everyone should ask their local Orthodox family okay but that's the shouldn't that's the that is the shita of the nyansian but says it's a relevant weather for Christianity is about the Zara as the venezian points out that for yiddin it is but besides that he says that which people frequently say it's a mistake to say that Christianity is people say it but it's wrong it's one of those things that people say it's one of the many many many many things that people say that is wrong and where do they get it from because Ramos says but as we mentioned that means but they're now to believe in it ah however look and always say I saw in the safer now I'm not saying this Haddad is with a test now that doesn't mean we're partner but it is a lot of creditors they could run into a house over the Zara to save himself from being taken by the government and he he quotes the chuva sarash that even for Allah it's not us sir but says the truth is the tourism now like then that it's only mothers also brings down that is better to avoid and said he says that he brings down from his grandfather Abram that anyone who enters a church he will now reside in the wings of the sitra Akra and they may our matame him little by little this which by the way demonstrates that it's only motivated and says ah but at the very least the very least to say that it's motor it's only going to be motor if there's a lot of money or misham Eva okay now I saw on the safer Chevrolet David that going to a church is an Israel and you can't use a Ava now even though you could question what the spirit of it says that that going to a church is a diary so it's not clear it's an Israel but says there is no Hector mishom Eva why now listen to this says wait mean it's Ava what's the Eva now to go in why are they going to hate us how's it different than any other Jew can't go into a church it's not going to hit us and he says ravages says look in the Zara MS listen carefully the most abused svara in the world is Ava which soon we're going to see Ava does not apply bism ARA of Eva does not apply anymore but besides that he quotes to say for Zara MS that Ava only applies that the gemara says you now to do business with them on the day of their so says that's only Allah says so if you don't do business with another holiday it's a good night for them it's a bazillion for them or you're allowed to be mialidocious on Shabbos you'll had to help them give birth because not doing so is a gunai because if we don't do it it's like we don't treat them as we don't give them human dignity otherwise we don't say Eva because you say Ava we can matter all these suram no the guy invites you come and buy you to my house for a meal my wife makes the best cheeseburger you have to eat it I mean she's gonna be very insulted if you don't eat it name currying fever is not Ava you want to go to Curry favor that's not oh if I don't go with Ava um the reason we're in golus is because we try to do these things foreign in our many sins our leaders think it's a big thing to try to Curry favor with the leaders of um yeah look in the safe area excuse me I made a mistake most of the time most things that are motor we're not coming when there were blood libels and there was persecution we have Eva today for the most part we have freedom and therefore you cannot use does this apply to a mask because we're not because Islam is not avidazara but that's a separate discussion is a famous story the story that's about to become famous they say about the Great River and a group of his friends who they got tired they got tired of the same old negunim for kadusha how many times could you sing rachem how many times do you think I mean it's time to rev it up how many times so they figure they're gonna go into the church get some good account carols some some really Snappy carols and apply it to the kadusha and uh and the pismanian where do you think they got it where do you think they come from right they're gonna go They're gonna go into the church hide out dress up and pick up a few catchy Tunes it's a well-known story they went behind they were in the women's section to get some good uh for the high holidays going to a church scissor of idea but you're not a listen to their music when they play Rabbi the Zara it's awesome Louisiana also you now to go into their shul and if there was my Korea Paragould but that's still in the show value number one we don't learn story we don't learn halacha from stories stories are not any conclusive regarding halacha how ever I saw that Rabbi you didn't see you you fleeted you made it up you made it up you know they're doing um now one of the one of the most Cutting Edge fields of research now I just read is in memory how human memory is so fragile it's so tenuous where a person could watch a program and then in his mind he goes somewhere and he starts to conflate that what he saw on the program happened in real life lately in the news how all the mikachu game no it never happened never happened they made it up they never saw it they they misremembered they misremembered human memory so a story how much um how much Credence do we give a story in halacha none none this is the most when the rabbi testified that he saw this one at his young age it's all of eight no no not anymore stories don't work anymore knock upon him so he says even if we explain um that not in Allah means like this if you have a source and then you have a massarov to back it up then it substantiates but if it's the fact that you saw somebody do it doesn't mean anything it is not the process lastly there that um you're gonna forsake because of a story I will say I'm not afraid he so here are the choices either this story is not a miser it's a Bubba Mesa is you know why these rabbis went because they're a bunch of amaratsune like I know but the reason these rabbis went is they didn't learn this you could go in or they were under the pressure I shall finish which was a major Hashem you see what most people think it's a kid Hashem it's a kid most people have no idea what a kiss is a Kiddush Hashem for rabbis for a rabbi to go and rabbin a Garb wearing a stromal wearing a bekasha or wearing whatever people can consider a rabbinic Garb to go into a church you call it a kid maybe doing in the cemetery how dare you even talk about this you cannot go into the church what about Dr Shalom even because of that and especially says well it's not dark in it's just currying favor ites they start burning spices so that's Zara they pray but don't worry they're not answered you cannot go there just unscramble the letters and we'll send these people straight to the Purgatory which is gehenam somebody once told me that they talked by davening it's a Minogue their father talked and they talk it's a minute so no but the thing was he said it seriously the person said it seriously so says there are two Divergent paths one of them this Minogue either Rabbi not anymore so in other words to go to a side room to vote um it would seem based on the source we saw that one would be allowed to do so but to go inside to Marvel at the architecture um based on what we're understanding it would not be permitted to do that and the best thing is to try to distance oneself as much as possible as much as possible that the ramam says it's kamad us or even Laurice to live the ears you've just 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