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okay uh good morning everyone we're
going to be learning
today's
moam the brother of my good
friend for all the children and
grandchildren okay we have a very
interesting topic
today um and it's not for those who have
a squeamish stomach
you have your stomach has to be stable
for this
one and the topic
is
inbombing autopsies and cremation in h
and it's a major topic and hopefully
we'll do it in two sh we'll spend two sh
on
this okay and we begin I think most
people know
that a EMB bombing is prohibited you
can't mummify a mess inbombing what's in
bombing where you take out remove the
vital organs and you supplant it with uh
chemicals preservatives form
Malahide uh glycerin and other and other
chemicals CU you need all the parts and
uh the main reason why this is
prohibited is it's Niel ham it's n ham
only to human being yeah it's ni Ham n
means only to only to correct only to
to it's means it's disrespectful to the
body the same way we know when a
person's alive he is not the bow over
his body the body does not belong to
him the body does not belong to him
either and you cannot do with it as you
like and that's why there's a Mitzvah
of
anding is prohibited what ah so what
about Yu we know yobu wasn't bed right
they spent a long time preserving the
body of Yu as well as y y was bombed and
we'll see what this has to do with this
week's par so we begin with and
according to if we learn what he says we
could all go home we don't need any she
okay let's take a look at
says
says what
is
they would smear the body with different
perfumes and
spices right in other words you're not
removing anything you're not taking out
any vital organs you're not draining the
blood you're just smearing you know
moisturizers and creams and and perfumes
preservatives like it's written by Assa
says in I
believe
they laid him on the
bed that was full of spices and many
various types of
spices
blended with the with the uh
skill in English it says the
apothecary's art whatever that
means
what he was one of
the one
of this is after you watch
them what yeah
okay okay fine so that's
what says what
is it has nothing to do with taking out
the vital organs has nothing to do with
draining the blood merely what they did
was they smeared the body with perfumes
to preserve the body and according to we
have no question we see by they did
Kanata because they didn't really do
what we call EMB bombing they didn't
take out the heart the liver the
intestines so how today they lend this
to other people that got an accident
they need the say organ ding yes is this
against simply in most cases yes yeah
he's talking about organ doning it's a
separate topic really because uh organ
doning first of all once the once the
body is um completely
dead so the organs are useless they also
die very quickly once the person is
completely dead you can't the organs
don't have any value after brain death
if somebody is brain dead but the heart
is still working the organs have value
the thing is if you take out the organ
you're killing the
person so basically
after doesn't do anything and before
death after brain death you're you're
killing the P you take out the person's
heart you're
right
so said M Clinic m is like when the the
heart is still working and the mo
is not working this is okay so it
depends what you consider death and
that's beyond the scope of the share
today okay we're not going to be
discussing organ
doning one day will uh we'll get up to
that
okay okay so so far the EMB bombing that
we saw by yov ainu was merely smearing
the body with oils now that's not the
traditional EMB bombing that they used
to do in Egypt if you go to
uh Brooklyn Museum Metropolitan Museum
right that Museum of national history
and you see you want to you want to see
Rams we're not talking they didn't smear
his body with they remove moved his
organs and we'll see about that but
besides that you should know in most
mortuaries in United States of America
they're doing full-fed and bombing right
for viewing what do you think they do
we'll see they just did it to the
president of South North Korea they take
out the vital organs was out for almost
one month okay it's a process we'll see
we'll see okay do that on also according
to
ra we could say that what what do they
do to
they merely smear the skin with
different spices okay the same asob
beses says the same explanation as that
what they did to was merely smearing the
skin with various preservatives
says it's brought down it's quoted in
the what exactly did they do
to so they said go ask ask the doctors
what are you asking me what they did
to
and you think they preserved yob you
think they emomed him like they emom
every other every other guy every other
she if you're going to say begin
or that the reason why they had to OV is
because takes a long trip from Egypt to
the mar and by the time they would get
to the Mar in that hot desert sun the
body would start to
Decay don't know that's not the reason
why they that's not the reason they
inbombed him because they inomed yose
also and they never brought
to
right ysep never went with yov on the
road so don't say the purpose of is for
the long trip because ysep didn't take
the long trip he 40 years y 40 years he
was in the desert yeah but he was he was
in the ground but he buried in Israel
later on later on so that's those the
purpose probably but the Egyptians
didn't know what's going to be in 40
years later so don't say the was for the
long
road he was buried right
there so rather what did they
do this was what they used to do to
Kings to preserve the
body they embomb them with a lot of
perfume and a lot of
spices with
SH the finest type of
oil mixed with
spices and it got absorbed into the body
they used to put these spices on the
body and it used to be was ni on the
body after
day with that good oil 40
days after this
process the body would remain whole for
a very long time how much is long time
till
today yeah you're right you go there you
see
it why do they have to do this says the
because in the land of Egypt and the
land of is bodies Decay very
quickly what the body decays because of
the climate because of the weather the
body decays
quickly the body decays
away and it's quickly it quickly turns R
in more than any other
lands in order to preserve the body they
did
this they put the spices on the outside
they put the spices on the inside how
they get it on the
inside right we're saying that according
to according to the they never cut up
and they never removed any organs of
they merely preserved it with spices how
they get on the
inside they put it on the navl we'll see
somebody that that the
body is the same as the body before it's
born right we know before a body is Born
the eyes are closed the naval is
open when a person's alive theab when a
person's alive the eyes open the naval
closes the naval opens the eyes close
that's what the quotes So they put it
into the tab
it would go inside
the it was absorbed in the
intestines and the body lasted a long
time okay what's the point I mean once
you you you enter a person yeah you
cover them up you put him and that's it
you don't what do you what do you have
to uh why did they do this for what's
the reason this was this was this was
the Mina for the important people they
wanted to preserve them what after they
put him into the K or what
no it
doesn't they put him in a box yeah they
left him in a
box out of glass wood whatever they
kept it was an honor it was an honor
we'll see why they did this we'll see at
the end of the year why they did this
okay according to we started
offing so we asked how could they do it
to and the Z both say what they did
was not
really it was merely a way of preserving
it by applying various preservatives on
the
outside appears there
so can also mean this this is another
possible meaning of this is By Request
of they did
this
yes fors they did the real thing that
was okay so I guess according
to and according toire maybe y used his
influence to do this alternative form of
okay so according to according to the
there's nothing to talk about there's no
question from however the
learns that what they did to was
full-fledged
look at
theel in number
three
commanded his servants the
doctor they practiced the general custom
of
King they applied the practice the
traditional pla practice of iming what
is
iming
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boming means to remove the
brain and the
heart and the
liver and the
intestines and all the bitterness of
the yeah
right they would anoint the body from
the inside the out with different kinds
of
perfume
they filled up the body with various
chemicals and spices that dried out the
body you have to change it every day you
got to change these spices every
day and in a matter of
time the body remains
dry and hard in a perfect
State it's able to be preserved in the
most perfect
way the body looks like it's sleeping
peacefully it
doesn't it
doesn't people don't go away from it we
know the smell of a mace is a very
overwhelming smell this this process
works one two three you're as good as
new you're as good as
new says this is what they did
to I just point out this is is what they
do in the United States of America today
and most mortuaries if that's how you
say it and uh there's a very famous uh
that's you know where they take the body
for they bring it to
the the mor the right um and that's
where they they take care of the body
and and many people I think uh it's a
very high percent they they get inomed
for all practical purposes what do they
do there's a famous article by somebody
by the name of uh Jennifer mitford who
sort of exposed the way they bury people
the way they preserve the bodies in the
United States of America and uh the hak
to this article is you need to very
stable stomach to really to read to read
I'll just read you a couple of things if
you want to know whether eming is NI or
not so let's take a look at what they do
look what she writes she says alas how
surprised one would be to see how his
counterpart of today is with whist off
to the funeral parlor and in short order
is sprayed sliced pierced pickled waxed
trimmed creamed roed NE neatly dressed
transformed from a common corpse into a
beautiful memory
picture
okay I'll read to one one other thing he
says every operator has a favorite
injection and drainage
Point okay about 3 to six gallons of
dyed and perfume solution of formaly
Glycerin borax phenol alcohol and water
is soon coating through Mr Jones whose
mouth has been sewn together with a
needle directed upward between the upper
lip and the gum brought out through the
left
nostril a woman that if there are any
problems with the teeth it's not a
problem the teeth are clean with bonami
and coated with colorless nail polish
okay so if you want to know whether
ining
is
okay what the and CU these things
DEC the purpose of the inbombing process
is to preserve the body they take out
all the vital organs and they pump in
for malide and all these chemicals that
preserve the body okay and that's what
they do for the viewing right you have a
a dead guys they they move the lips up
in a in a upward motion so that the body
has a pleasant expression okay that's
after cutting slicing and dicing the
body like a piece of steak for birs what
birds is very very common to to to to
make it to put thorine inside the bird
okay that's not a that you could do the
problem is when you do it to Adam okay
so
again he was sick for a long time so I
go to hospital visit San Francis and he
looked really really
bad he was very strong person but he
look very bad and pastor and his
family asked me they beg me to to go to
the funeral so I told him I said if you
put him in the church I cannot go so if
you put him in the funeral home maybe
they and they were counting on me to go
so I went there and I saw they they had
him there he looked so
good suit with a best his best suit best
shirt nice high and cosmetically they
fixed up his so nice and if there's any
his hair was combed and he looked so
good if there's any if there's any
problem with the color the person has
drawn this they know how to color the
face with layers and layers of
makeup and sometimes for an Added Touch
they'll stick in the hand a special pipe
his favorite pipe or book so you know he
could take it with him so that's so if
you want to know
about to they have a mirror above
the okay but again according to and this
is not what they did
to according to they classically
inomed
so even if we say that cutting up a mace
is NI but perhaps if you're doing it to
beautify the mace and to preserve the
maybe that's not evil maybe
that's and in fact there are who say it
is
permitted it's a benefit it's a benefit
from this let us first examine that the
end
of this is talking about the death of
all the Warriors got
up they went the whole
night says they after sh was killed they
took Sha's
body and the bodies of his
children from the
wall they brought
to and they burnt the bodies of sha and
his children there so what they do what
they cremated sha yeah that's what it
look like
says they burned
him like they burn
Kings that's what T says and number five
on the bottom the last two
lines so we'll see what does mean when
he says they burned him like they burn
Kings the radak has two explanations for
the T if you look at
thean and talks about when a king would
die they would take all his possessions
they would take his throne they would
take his property they would take all of
his Royal instruments and they would
burn it as if to say he's so great no
one else is worthy to use these items so
says the you know what t means that they
burnt sha and his sons they cremated sha
and his sons they burnt his furniture
and his throne and his possessions but
not that they burnt him that's the first
Rak so what they did with his body they
buried the
body does not go on
the is going on says number
six and they burnt
them
like they used to burn
Kings could be you know what the
means like tell
us they burn the king's
possessions okay so that's the first
what does mean they burnt they burnt his
stuff his
possessions or another you know what it
means they
burnt they burnt
spices in other words they didn't burn
the body you know how when you burn
spices it
produces very pleasant aroma so they
burnt these spices to preserve the body
of sh of sha so these are the two right
incense these are the two explanations
of the Rak for
the number one either they burned his
possession number two they burnt incense
says an amazing
thing if you look at number seven on the
Fifth
Line
the says now according to both
explanations of
radak they didn't touch the vital organs
of sh either they burnt his possessions
or they just burnt B him
says was in two pieces because they cut
his head off and his shoulder like they
push him okay but doesn't mean that
right but the bombing process did not
further cut him up according to the
rakie says
the I hold that when thei says they
burnt them it means they burnt their
bodies what what does that mean they
they cremate it sha no the chem
used in the EMB bombing process are like
acid and they tear through the Flesh and
they burn the skin and they burn the
vital organs that's what it
means the spices of inbombing
burns the testifies
later that the only thing they burned
all that was left was the bones
according to
that they burned their Throne or they
burned spices why did they just bury the
bones what about the Flesh and all the
body parts it must be says that I am
correct that you know what it means they
use the chemicals of to burn through the
flesh good that's what it is because
they were burnt and the bones also were
burnt yeah but the say something
else something else it's not so to burn
bones yes it is even though that's a
separate thing in America we'll talk
about through when we get to Cremation
you know people think you send it to the
cre to to burn the bones could take a
very long time to burn and sometimes
they think they give the family ashes
slav daa the ashes of their relative it
could be the ashes of the last guy who
his bones haven't finished burning
in I didn't you're right I didn't finish
right that why he said a different
opinion too I know he said the b b the
bones the Buri it according to Rak they
cremated him exactly according to radak
it's opinion in the
rad oh I think I'm not reading that yet
I'm not reading that
yet yeah but but here here they do in
the oven and they burn completely the
body in the oven a big electricity
that's what they say hot flame very hot
flame flame it does burn the whole thing
hey it does yeah yeah yeah I heard it's
very controversial we'll talk about
that the
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nas
correct I know I know
story that on the L bone for the Nasco
from
laa that that that bone gets nourishment
from lava
Mala yeah by the way I'll tell you
something very interesting
writes in AA you know we talk about
where their bones ratting there's one
bone that doesn't rat so says that we
know
says Al it's also it has another
name says but there's
a that jealousy also causes the bones to
rat says that's talk not the other bones
but someone who doesn't have K none of
the bones rat Samer says yeah of course
that's why he says you it talks about
they found pits of with full of Bones
said what full of Bones what they're all
the NCO bone says well it's all the L it
can't be all the L not impossible the
whole the whole pit is well how do they
get a pit full of
Nasco that brought his he was complete
as the day he was
dying he did it he did the really
complete said when they
move when the move the old Cemetery when
when the Russians wanted to build a a
road on the
highway they took the go out so he was
still
cover the the they could feel his beard
wow they didn't open it up but they they
feel his his beard was still he was
complete wow g
wow so says by the way now we're going
to see what does they have to do with
this week's Parish
according
to means through the process and that's
why it says they bury the bones what
does it say in this
week's the whole body the answer
is if because if they did the full fles
process the full flesh process there is
no B left that's why says who says that
look number three the second to last
line says what do they do to and if they
embed him
completely what's the proof that
was had already disintegrated okay now
says how can I say that they Ed sh but
isn't it n
says it's
not two lines from the
bottom
says when it comes tooming it's not ni
it's a great
benefit these are good benefits the body
doesn't Decay and rat and
smell that's permitted
you couldn't
B it's like dissolving the the meat
right this is in like an acidic type of
years ago there were two burials one one
the dead body was put in a box until
theh rotted and only bones they put in
another box they put it together with
the all theice with all the family T
talks about that in the beginning the
two stages that they used to do okay RAB
said does anybody else say it's m so so
far even though and Z say they did not
actually theel says they
did says it's
m and the Raj when the great when the
great also
says says the rash look at number
eight a guy died plainly dies and at the
time of he gives the following that he
wants to be buried with
the something happened the day of they
couldn't get the body out in
time they buried him
temporar and
now now they want to bring him to the
family
and it's very difficult to carry the
body now because the body is the middle
of decaying and it smells right while
the body while the flesh is still
rotting it's very
putrid are you allowed to put lime on
the
body to speed up the
process is this a disgrace LI or not you
causing pain to the
mace says the rash
whatever is done to
expedite the
disintegration of the
flesh you're allowed to do
it there's no disgrace over here
whatever process you're doing to speed
up the
disintegration there's no there's no
pain
a dead body can't feel a knife it
certainly can't feel
lime the ERS tear the body
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open
he
learns
feels but the
says there's no pain there's no disgrace
so he have some pretty big guns over
here that say you're allowed to do it
the says that's what they did
to says it's m that's what they did
to the Raj says it's m how do we
it's we know how to do it look at the
look at the ra very
carefully you can transfer a from one
city to the
next unless you're taking the body to
you want to diser the body and move it
to that you could
do
or you want to move somebody to be
buried together with the you're allowed
to move what if it's a long distance now
look carefully at
the if if the mace had commanded you to
move from one place to the
next the mace tells you to move from one
place to the next or to from the house
to the you listen
says mid
of you're allowed to put lime on the
body to cause the flesh to
disintegrate to bring the body to the
place that He commands in other words
according like the Raja said and he's
quoting the Raj in the cha we just read
is passing like the rashba that in order
to temporarily preserve the body to Move
It from one Kev to the next you could
apply Sid to the outside of the body but
R does not go so far as to say what the
rashba said that you could cut up the
body to remove vital organs or to remove
blood in other words we're stopping
short you want to put medicant creams
preservatives on the outside if
necessary it may be permitted to cut
dice go inside the body we don't allow
that we don't allow that what is the
freezer today that they put in the
freezer it's like the seed what I don't
know just to preserve it what is the
seed also to preserve it The Preserve is
the opposite it speeds up the decay of
the flesh so that you don't have to
smell it you just just
at put it in in a dry ice they I don't
know what do they do when they take the
body to Art Isel dry ice dry ice okay if
you'll see usually the final word on
these type of is
the
isin who wrote the authoritative work on
a and all related in yanim and he's
usually the final word on these but
still a lot of this may be outdated I
don't think they do some of these
procedures today let's take a look how
he concludes look at number
says is it worthwhile does it make sense
to embomb a Jewish
body there's a great dispute among the
great authorities about
this there are two possible problems
number
one nowadays they drain the blood they
drain the
blood and sometimes they even remove the
inerts that's what they do today in
America so that would
be and number
two
the procedures that they that they do
delay the Decay process and one
of the main purposes of Kura is that the
body should Decay the gamar in sanin
says that a person that the kapar the
kapar occurs not just by the but by the
when the flesh decays that's part of the
kapara so delaying that process you're
you're stopping the kapar process right
so what should we
do so
says is like
this if you have to carry the body a day
or two in the
heat you could you could apply you could
perform some types some type of
procedure in other words you want to
apply certain medications and certain
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um perfumes and spices to slow down the
Decay process that you're allowed to do
temporarily
but do not do not take out the blood
okay the by the way the says if you need
to put it into the body through the
mouth or through the navl it's permitted
that's how the
um
you can't make any incisions you can't
intrude the body but through an already
existing orice you could stick it in
okay
however but if it's a far
trip you could remove the blood through
a machine I don't think they do that
today right I don't think uh it's a
short trip even know it's a long
distance yeah I don't think they still
do that today but if necessary he says
that would be
okay what do you do with the blood once
you get once you've drawn the blood if
necessary he says
what what you should do is you should
put this blood in a
container and bury it together with
the even though he says according to
most and it's only nevertheless this
type of blood he says that we move on
our own does does need okay so basically
we have two opinions right we have the
opinion of the the opinion of they never
did this procedure to
and however according to Abel they did
do this to
yobu so you'll ask according to Abel why
don't we learn out from yobu if they
were able to do this to him and ysf
commanded this should be done to him why
don't we learn out there's a from from
from says
the very something very interesting
writes in
Sim we
see so we should learn out
there's or at least it's permitted to
IM and yet we know and look
for us it's just the
opposite for
us is
prohibited ah so look a little bit down
what's the answer so why don't we learn
out
from it was before the Torah was given
and you cannot learn out from what they
did before the Torah was given to what
they did after the Torah was given you
can't learn out you want to learn out
you allow to marry two sisters because
married two
sisters
okay fine so
says bombing is
prohibited before the Torah was given
don't hack me with what what happened
before the Torah was given
okay let us that said that not allow to
P there's another thing you can't have
Han what after no doing the life if it's
better to keep all the like some think
was yeah
that's to
all yes
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that's a Kasha that's a big question and
there are different answers to that look
in the the various answers but
nevertheless at the end of the day if
they did something before the Torah was
given you don't learn out learn out Lear
even
though that's says right they're various
answers you it
us okay I just want to point out two two
more things okay let us take a look for
a moment at
theer says a very P the reason why we're
not going to learn from
y why look what he says look at in
number
13s why don't we learn out from the fact
that Ed his
father I wrote In
one of
the quoting the that we saw right the
they never really
Ed they never opened upov
stomach they never removed his
intestines the Z says that they stuck it
into the naval of yov the
you can stick it into the mouth of a why
not this is what we mentioned before
when a person passes away the mouth
closes the naval
opens the same way the body was
in so the samur goes on to
say that what good would it do to stick
in these spices into the
of if the digestive system is if it's
full of uh excrements so what good is it
going to do to preserve the body but
there's all kinds of waste material in
inside so says that according to ran the
ran says by it
says
what what does that mean according to
ran means there was some kind of the
there was a digestive problem that
caused the intestines to disintegrate on
their own that's if you look in the ran
that's what happened to in that case
says there was no problem stick like
desire says to stick in these
spices because there was no waste
product that waste product had
disintegrated on their own let's end off
with
the I and in general it gives us an
understanding why were the Egyptians so
hooked up on inbombing right everybody
knows in Egypt right there everybody's
inbombed from parro to their cats right
you could go to the the museums not only
were the kings in bombed they in bombed
the cats also what was that all that so
so um memory to know that it was Egypt
so one of the said well in the Z said in
the land of MIT and the land of it was a
very dry hot climate and things the very
quick and that's why they imbed says
there was a very deep reason why number
14 why in they in bombed says an amazing
thing
what Listen to This Not That all this
was true all this is evidence we should
know there was a par yeah have evidence
look what he says like they they say why
we
have this is the left over from the Maul
to know that remember that the Maul
could come any
time
yeah look at look what the look at
number
14 what does that
mean other they protect their
generation participates with every
generation that they should not
forsake that's
says so let's take a
look skip a
line you know why in Egypt they
people because in Egypt they
knew so long as the body is intact the
soul clings to the body and this is our
tradition also that for the until until
the body decays the N hovers over the
Kev the soul is connected to the body so
long as the body so long as the body is
intact so why the because was proficient
in K how did they do their K not like
the malam said we learned a few weeks
ago it was slide of hand they
were they contacted the Dead now if
they're going to contact the dead they
want you know they don't want a
longdistance phone call they want local
charges so if you want if they want
local charges they have to keep the Nish
close by so therefore they EMB all the
bodies this way the nishas are hovering
right here in this world this way they
could
be these are the sh
these are the that hung out that hovered
over the
bodies that's what all they
did so that the does not separate from
the body too
far they're gonna have to call the
operator and the operator going to say
it's a collect call you know it's not
going to
work this is what they
did they anointed the whole body with
oil
they took out the
intestines they did the0
days and the body lasts
forever you could go to Egypt today
you'll find these
corpses you could go to P today knock on
him and he's hard like a stone right
he's still
right they call it
mmy they wanted to connect to these
Souls that's why the Torah warns
us don't act like they did in egpt what
don't be how are
they now listen to this I never heard
the story I don't know where it comes
from maybe you could look it up do some
research there's a
well-known I don't know who that
is right there was a man by the name of
Johan p no he escaped from Egypt with a
bunch of mummies listen to this m
he escaped from Egypt on a boat with a
bunch of
mummies the king obviously would not let
him just you know snatch out the mummies
with um with permission so he snuck out
on a boat dozens of these mummies and as
soon as he got to the Sea these Souls
started going crazy they started killing
the soldiers on the boat and Johan had a
throw all these mummies off the boat
many there were many casualties on the
boat and he was lucky he was able to
escape with his life look what he
says he got to the heart of the
sea the boat was full of these
Devils they wanted to sink the
boat a lot of his soldiers were thrown
overboard they were killed Vu they were
drowned Vu they were attacked
he had to throw all the bodies into the
sea okay that's what says is a
well-known story I never heard it
before yeah I missed
it
yeah so I don't know if you have any
information you can print out for a
whole Regiment of uh old that they go
after they bring to the M whole regiment
yeah what what year is this I don't know
any more information than you see over
here I don't know when hey he's saying
they they testify oh says this is a very
interesting thing
says that is why y allowed yov to be
inomed
because he wanted the
to be with throughout the generations
are we allowed to do this no says you
can't learn out from what happened
before mat but did y have a reason to do
this he wanted the of Yu somehow to have
a certain influence in this
world I don't understand how but this is
what he says by himself y
yeah I don't know maybe ysf also
look what he
says so that the soul of should be
bound to be able to protect his
descendants for all
times the soul of has influence over
every
Jew
and
because something very interesting and
uh next week we'll move on to two other
very important topics autopsies and
cremation if you want hold on to the
sheets and bring it back next week
otherwise I could uh be your appach
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