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The Insider’s Take On Working With The Chinuch System & Achieving! Panel Discussion with Rabbi Daniel Kalish, Rabbi Yossi Bensoussan & Rabbi Scott Friedman
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to lead into the
topic that we'll we'll talk together for
a few minutes before we really the real
topic is to say goodbye
and to thank everybody for really just a
beautiful beautiful shabbos
the word connection would be a word i
would use the word authentic connection
sincere would be words that would be
associated with such a shabbos
i want to tell you about my favorite
part of akhasana
that i appreciate and it's a very quiet
part of weddings that i want to share
with you as a lead-in to the topic that
we'll talk to say goodbye
the
at the casana there's something called
today
many people are just busy writing the
tenorium and busy with that the real
purpose of hussein's dish is to sing
smiris and devetory historically
is about to be built
and to just go into it suddenly is is
highly inappropriate and the purpose of
the customs dish is historically you
could look up people darshan and yana
year of shamayim they spoke that in a
year of shamayim they sang songs of in
years shamayim you're about to build a
bias big zak and you want all the
thoughts to be helga thoughts saif
myself
and that was the point of
i very much i'm trying in yeshiva by
fastness to restore hassan's tish to
what it was
so i asked the guys to come early we
sings meerus i try to share divreitaron
and yanni or shamayim but at least this
mirrors that that's that's
that's good also this mirror is to sing
songs that bring us to new year's eve
at that costumes tissue we make a kenyan
with the hussein
and this is my favorite part of the
wedding
this is the beginning the hassan is
macabre kenyan
and he obligates himself
he in front of adam he obligates
to take care of his mushbacher
but he obligates himself he makes a
kenyan
the rest of his life
if you ask a guy if you ask a person he
asked her you're the shaman why are you
good to your wife
three in the morning while you're
running to get medicine if she needs it
a guy answers because i love her it's
the wrong answer that's what a guy says
because i love her
and the yid says because i made a kenyan
now we sound pathetic
we sound pathetic you sound like you're
clueless that's really very romantic
it sounds crazy i want to explain why
it's gorgeous and to explain it
and that i won the lead into the topic
that we'll close with
so we sound pathetic why is the guy
going three in the morning dear because
i made a kenyan
and it's not pathetic at all allow me to
explain
allow me by a i love you means like
it's raining outside they have no say
it's raining it's a fact it's raining
outside by a guy i love you means you
make me feel good that's what it means
that's the perish
and it's true what they're saying i do
love you make me feel good brahmana slum
by the way then all of a sudden the
neighbor
please i don't want to say
and by the guy he faces that i don't
love you anymore you don't make me feel
good anymore and they grapple the
gallium are wolf falling out of love
it's this probably nothing in the
western world that more confounds the
westerner
all their music is failed love
she walked out he walked out trial
lalala
i basically summed up you could do it in
rap if you want to rap for him and
i came out summed up all guyish music
and the pirish is because i love you you
have no say
it's raining outside and just i don't
get this thing and now it's not raining
and by yid we're creators of love
and by a yid we don't observe love i
love you by your yid means
that no matter how you make me feel i'm
committed to that's what i love you
means
if i was a guy
somebody said i love you i'd run away
yeah now you love
by your yid i love you means no matter
how you make me feel i'm committed to
you that's what it means the perish of i
love you it's not a joke at all when a
guy gets up three in the morning it's
because i'm committed to you and i cr we
create love together we create good
feelings because i'm committed
i want a school to say i love you to a
child it's the word love is that
everybody says love love they don't know
what the word love means
i want a school to say i love you to a
child doesn't mean you make us feel good
you make us look good
i love you i love you means i'm
committed no matter how you make me feel
i'm committed to you that's what i love
you means so i like that kenyan the
whole marriage is built on that canyon
he was mccabell kenyon it's fascinating
that such a powerful part of the wedding
the guests don't know about the cow is
not even there it's not even in front of
her
the guy makes a kenyan a commitment he
commits
and at that moment he makes a kenyan
he's macabre kenyan i have a private
thing i'll give excuses why i'm not
being massager if i don't believe a
huston is capable of emotionally
supporting a wife i won't be miss other
i'll give an excuse i'm busy this that i
won't be massaged i don't i'm not i
don't want to
officiate over a lie
and a man commits to physically and
emotionally support it's a commitment
and it says in the subaru yaki or i'm
going to
value give cover to somebody is the
emotional support to somebody
and that's the soggy that i want to talk
as a goodbye is the sugiya of learning
to emotionally support somebody
learning to emotionally support
we could physically support you noticed
here a lot of the sessions we were
sitting right in the middle and this one
was sitting right facing the men
the men have a tougher time than the
woman on this
to stay emotionally involved in the
journey of our children is murder
i could tell you for me that i've been
called out by bhakram by my children
of
trying to make them happy
and cheering them up but not being there
when they're crying not staying in that
moment to emotionally support is
difficult
it means we have to know we have to be
able to ourselves be in the moment
feel and learn how to feel learn how to
process feelings and then to be there
for our children this is not newfangled
stuff this is not
i don't psychology is not needed just
learn just torah shayrach
that there's an absolute obligation to
of physically and emotionally support is
an obligation
with our children we send our children
off to schools wonderful place schools
of people are trying and doing and again
we can have our frustrations and
it's not the point to make any
referendum on schools
what i wanna what i wanna say to
everybody here
is we can't give over we need to
emotionally support our children they
have one father one mother
a tata and a mama
tati and mommy have to emotionally
support we cannot rely on schools the
word nurture
and to emotionally support it's an
agenda all three of us have scott
freeman somebody who's a man on a
mission
and feels that we have to add more
nurture in schools and he's he's on fire
with this mission on fire
and all three of us rabin shushan this
is something if we describe the mishra
ben as somebody who has a school in
cleveland we're all involved in schools
and all of us
this point of of schools being more
emotionally supportive we all believe
but that's not what the discussion i
want
i because that's that's that's a
discussion for principals and and
schools have to look at themselves
and learn how we can better nurture but
a school will never
we'll never replace appearance
made schools
a ready has to try and that we could
talk about our schools being nurturing
enough and that could be a whole
discussion that we have to ask
but
as parents that the job of nurturing our
children and leaning in emotionally
and being there and really trying hard
to lean in to their story and to what's
going on
the word nurture the word nurture and
emotionally supporting is something we
have to do as parents
and certainly we're sending to schools
and and that's something we all do from
young ages but certainly not relying on
that and giving our own nurture to our
children is something extremely
important to so you
now
i want to talk about one component of
nurturing a kid one i want to talk about
one aspect
in this surgery of nurturing it's very
relevant in schools and again i'm i'm
more talking to parents and want to
want to focus there i wanna talk and
then
i'll pass the i'll pass the wall i'm
hogging a little right now
but um
i wanna talk about the topic
codependence for a very specific reason
to us in this room
so i want to talk
the subject of co-dependence we could
speak about for the next year it's a
long long segue
i want to
say one aspect of co-dependence for a
specific reason about us parents
i don't some people know mo i assume
most people here know what code depends
if you don't
that's fine too but to give you a bit a
little picture of like codependence a
classic
the classic and the easiest picture of
co-dependence
a group of kids are in the 7-eleven the
local 7-eleven i guess that's something
i don't know why i'm so fixated on
7-eleven but let's
let's make that the place where it's the
irony is i come from a city where the
only there's not after eight o'clock
there's no restaurants and like the
geshema my daughter asked me and that's
what i i'm hanging out in my 7-eleven so
i'm like there's no it's me and my
daughter we have nothing bad has gone
down in 7-eleven in waterbury but um
it's the only thing open after eight and
at night she wants a slurpee so we go a
7-eleven together and we've gotten a
slurpee so i don't know why i'm so
fixated with 7-eleven i guess that's
because the only thing open is slurpee
what we got it's lovely you know
you'll know i started it me and my
daughter
the bottom line is is that their kids
let's say their kids hanging out they're
struggling
they're two types of people who come in
to help the kid and the kids know it
themselves there's the type of older
person who doesn't have a good marriage
doesn't have good friendships he's in
trouble himself maybe even an addict and
he's giving to youngsters
it's very powerful to take care of
youngsters and it feels good
and he uses that giving and the kids
needing him for rides and all different
things to feel good very very dangerous
that's called a co-dependent
relationship
even when he gives a hug to the
youngsters he wants a hug and needs the
hug
and when you use a relationship to a
youngster to get what you're not
supposed to get that's codependence
many of bakar has shown me relationships
that they've had bachelors struggling
which i would define as codependent
relationships and they end up a lot of
emotional hurt
that long text after all i do for you
you never thank me bad nonsense and
things that are extremely unhealthy and
can be damaging and again not to protect
and not to bring another suggest now we
have a new thing to worry about no
no not at all emotionally support our
children and will be their support and
then they'll be capable of dealing with
all different relationships
that's not what i want to bring out
but a codependent relationship is when
the giver tries to get something from
the relationship that he's not supposed
to
that's no shy because now it's normal
every single person who's in general
could get insulted by a kid i would not
hire a rebbe
who doesn't get insulted by the guys
because if you don't get insulted it
means you're a professor who's arrogant
who doesn't want a connection so it
doesn't bother what they say that's i
want to read you gets insulted and then
doesn't need the guys to apologize you
know why he has a good marriage
he has his own hobbies and outlets he's
a healthy human being and as the ability
not to be a codependent to give and to
give unconditionally
and then yes sometimes all of us and the
reason why i bring up codependence
because i want to say that us parents
could be codependents also
and when i talk about emotionally
supporting and it's been a big theme
that shabbis is emotionally caring for
ourselves
we have to have the ability that our
kids don't have to apologize to us
not because we're so lenient so it
sounds like you come here as like the
liberal shabbos
i want to explain
what what's going on
here we spoke about their parents
beautiful like really big people there's
a family here the pollux they're i look
up i'm a talmud of them they're big
people big big people
the suga is not people have a challenge
with child rearing and then we like give
up our morals and i used to hold up all
of you so i let hull of stem i used to
not have a television i let him have a
television that if you think that's the
sagya then i don't know where you were
the shabbos
the
is people becoming big godly
expanding more understanding
big big people golem the word godless
rashi says is midas
is to be expansive to see past ourselves
that's the soggy the song is a person
becoming a gundle and dergadilum here
big people who've
expanded
remarkable ways of catalyst of seeing
another perspective the the need of
somebody else just getting expansive
that's the subject
when we talk about here not asking your
kids to i need i'm angry at me where you
we all get angry at our children really
angry and it's the unspoken part when
our kid's struggling as i'm mad at him
what he's done to the house i had a
beautiful house and he's brought us to
our knees i am mad at him
and then somebody comes says you're not
letting he he doesn't have to apologize
so everything's everything like favors
the kid it's uh no it's all about us
by the way sometimes the best eight says
the father sometimes you walk the father
has to play more tennis
the mother has to draw more maybe play
more tennis herself
each person each person has to know how
to emotionally care for themselves
that's not a cooler
i never like sometimes in general you
have the martyr the rebbe is like such a
martyr
any rebbe by me laughs when i spoke with
scott and i were talking anybody says
i'm the kanye royal mabuh i just left i
always think about that line when i'm in
the middle of like a really intense
volleyball tournament and i'm like
grinding out with like 14 up and the
line goes i'm the county royal in my
book and then i finished the tournament
we like
my point is that it's not martyrdom i
don't want somebody who's a martyr at
all at all at all i want somebody who
takes good care of himself
and is a happy person living life
beautifully a beautiful life and sharing
it with somebody else you're allowed to
enjoy i love having this house of
teaching tyra to youngsters of
encouraging somebody of creating
relationship and friendship it's
delightful it's wonderful you're not
allowed to take from it what it's not
supposed to provide is not good for you
it's not good for you
we can't fill a hole that we may have
had from a difficult relationship to
mama or a difficult relationship to tata
where difficult relationship all
different difficult relationships and
ask this to fill that that's dangerous
you're asking something to be what it's
not supposed to be
and this
of not wanting our kids to apologize we
get insulted by our kids speak it out if
you don't get insulted by your kid then
i don't know that that would be silly
you're not you're not invested you're
not emotionally attached of course
you're going to get insulted
but then the ability ourselves not to be
codependents so make sure we have our
own relationships worked out our own
inners worked out and then we don't take
from a beautiful relationship of giving
that's powerful
and precious and special and deep but we
don't we're not trying to get what's not
supposed to be gotten
that's the healthy powerful healthy
relationship that we're zaika incapable
of
when we can when we can give in this way
we can get in this powerful healthy way
of yes being insulted all the time
of course you would be
and then yes being able to heal and that
going on that walk and healing we're a
powerful giver for our children
what the ones who get the most of course
the person is a giver that's the
that's the powerful healthy giver that
we're that we're visualizing so that's
that was a lot of the takeaway to me of
this precious shabbos that we recited to
is the person himself leaning into their
own emotional needs their own silky
their own journey in healthy powerful
ways all of us many parents ask what can
i do for my son
play more tennis that's the answer in a
very real way
a mother what can i do that's a very
very real thing take care of our own
needs in order that we can then lean in
powerfully to our kids needs nice i want
to i just want to add to her but kayla
said
a few thoughts come to mind so one of
them is actually a story about myself
when i was a teenager i was a very
difficult teenager you could ask my
parents
and
i'm a difficult adult also
and
when i was a teenager i remember i got
very upset at i think it was my father
probably both my parents at the time
and i think i cursed my father out
and i later felt bad about it
and i went to apologize to him
i've only told the story a few times my
father probably doesn't even remember
the story
and i want to apologize that my father
said something amazing to me which at
the time i don't know that i understood
even the how profound it was you know
sometimes someone speaks i'm listening
to her kayla speak and he's bringing me
back to work i did 20 years ago in my
own life
you know and sometimes you take things
for granted and
you don't even appreciate the depth of
what's being said
and i was i cursed them out and i later
went back and i apologized that my
father said to me you don't have to
apologize to me i know you were just
upset
and
when rabbi kayla said that it uh you
know it brought me back to that
experience and i could tell you that you
know i always say i i try to be a good
father i try to be a good rebbe
you know i
but i always say you know some things
that come easier for me than others it's
simply because
i was given it you know i had someone
who
showed me how to do that
you know there are other things i'm not
good at and people didn't give that to
me some people inherit money other
people inherit other things
so you know it's easy for me to sit here
and say you know
to do such a thing when someone did that
for me
i have that ability but i do want to add
something
uh so i'm a big clustered of someone
named dr bencion soratskin i consider
him my rebbe and
my
mentor really and he has a book that
everybody should buy on amazon in my
opinion
um i forget what it's called but just
look up uh doctor
he has a website it's free you don't
need to buy the book it's all free
actually
and he says something amazing and i
really have uh integrated into my life
i probably relate to it because my
father you know really lived this mantra
and he always said that nachos is a very
dirty word
nachos is a very very dirty word
you know we we hear people say all the
time you should have knocked us from
your children
so i'll tell you i always say
at my simples for my own children
i always say that my wife and i should
give nachos to my children
you know that it's our responsibility to
give nachas not our responsibility to
get us
you know we don't have children in order
that they should give us we have
children that we should give them
the way that we act the way that we
behave the way that we treat them
dr stratzkin has a very beautiful
um
story he tells that a father came over
to him he said you know how do i treat
teach my children tamidos
so he said well what do you mean by me
though so give me tell me exactly what
you're really asking
so he said well my kids don't say please
and thank you ever to me
so he said well can i just ask you a
very frank question do you say please
and thank you to your own children
and he was like
no i don't think so
he was like well then they're not going
to say it to you
you know i really do believe that
children reflect back that which they
receive
i learned something very profound this
shabbos you know it's funny sounds
cliche but i thought i came here to give
and i came here and i really took away
something very profound
um
i learned
two things one thing that i knew but now
i know in a much
deeper way
you know i was never someone that was
really attuned to neglect
because i was not someone who was ever
neglected
i was
you know always um well liked i had a
lot of friends
you know i was an athlete i got a lot of
attention growing up
so maybe i didn't relate or understand
how deeply painful it is to be neglected
i also didn't realize
how neglect doesn't have to mean neglect
neglect can simply mean
not getting as much attention as your
sibling
i didn't know that to be honest
i thought
okay so this one gets a little more
attention that one gets a little less
and i will say in ishibas you find this
a lot
you know you find guys who get very
angry at the yeshiva
rightfully so
because they feel they're not getting
the attention of another child you know
that's why you'll find that you know
sometimes i'm like blown away why does
this kid like this school
and the answer is obvious he gets a
tremendous amount of positive attention
a tremendous amount of it
so whether the school's accomplishing
anything or doing anything good it
doesn't matter they're getting positive
attention
and and they like that part of the
school and i tell you i you know i'm
part of a new shiva by kayla's mansion
called aureus 12 10 flights opened last
year and we started with 20 boys
and this year it grew in a year to 70.
and it was actually terrible to be
honest
because it's hurt the place in a lot of
ways
and i'm learning that
i'm no longer able to give the kind of
attention i need
to every single talmud
i haven't been able to give if i can
interject one second they're doing
amazing i just wanna throw that out
there
they're doing amazing and they're doing
amazing work as the outsider i can i can
say that
yeah beyond the surface very good thank
you that's great
well maybe we're doing amazing for some
kids but my
expectation is 100 success
and if a kid doesn't feel that he is
being successful then that's on me
but we have a tagline that relates back
to what rabbi kayla said which says and
i'll tell you a funny story about this a
great story so we have a tagline on all
my emails that says students can't fail
only we can
so i get
two different attitudes about this some
people get very upset about this you're
moving all accountability from children
you're not teaching children to have any
kind of accountability i mean what kind
of message is this you know that only
you could fail they can't fail
and it really goes back to what i
learned from dr sirotskin and really my
parents i guess
which is the only way to teach
accountability is by having
accountability
you don't teach accountability by
telling someone else to be accountable
[Applause]
you know there's uh a very very
beautiful i'm gonna misquote it to some
extent but uh
there's a beautiful maisha feinstein i
believe that he says that um
in particular it's my bar mitzvah
actually i i think when uh
when ava mavino asks yeshmal to help him
to go get food and water for the melaka
so i think rashi tells us that because
the food came directly from avraham he
got himself the man came directly from
chimayami the kanegen midda
but because yeshmal went and got the
water so it had to come through some
other way
so much asked a great kasha
what did avraham avinu do wrong
you know what what was so i mean worst
case he wanted him to be part of the
mitzvah it's not even like he said to
him you go and do it he said come with
me you would think this would be the
greatest form of
i'm gonna do it and you're gonna do it
and uh
says something that's unbelievable
he says because the only thing is doing
it yourself
that's the only thing
i was always bothered i'm not here god
forbid to
talk about other places it always
bothered me that a rebbe would walk
around during davening while he was
dominating taking attendance of all the
boys
i always wondered like what kind of
message are these kids getting like he
doesn't have to dive and it's more
important that he worries that you're
daviding
you know if a rebbe would see if atomic
would see his rebbe really diving and
pour his heart out he would he would see
what daviding looks like he would see
what daviding is really about i think
really the biggest problem i find you
know teenagers are smarter than most
adults they're very real and they're raw
and they don't have to worry about
public perception or
what the neighbors will say they they
say the way it is
i think very often they feel they're
being used to be honest
by the schools how you gonna make the
school look
i always tell my tommy them i don't care
about orissa i don't care if it burns to
the ground
to be honest i think i'm a pretty
talented uh mechanic i'm sure i could
find another job
you know i i don't need orisol to exist
but i need all these kids all these boys
to feel loved to feel
to be who they are and i want to add one
more thing i i said this once and i got
pushed back but before i tell you that i
tell you a funny thing about the other
thing so
rabbi yablak who's uh who started the
yeshiva with me is a wonderful person or
by ashrae yahblah
he called me one night he said steph
tell you i got a call from a parent in
the community they were very upset by
the tagline they felt we should change
it that students can't fail only we can
so i said okay i'm sorry they feel that
way you know i'd be happy to talk to
them you know if they want to call me
and be more than happy to discuss it but
to be honest you know everyone has an
opinion and unless you really understand
where they're coming from you don't
really know what they're saying anyway
i kid you not probably an hour later i
got a random phone call from a woman i
never met
and she said i'm going crazy i just
found your website i've never seen such
a tag life a tagline in my life i'm so
happy somebody gets it so you know you
could spend your whole life driving
yourself crazy to please everybody this
one that one so i'll please this one and
then i'll make this one upset but the
only thing that really matters is doing
rats on hashem is to do what the right
thing is you know to to do the right
thing
now i lost my train of thought about the
other story i wanted to tell
you take your time
what was i saying sound like a good one
i have no idea
oh now i remember
see positive
there you go
so it goes a long way so no now i
remember the story so i we had malcolm
segal from jm and the m come to our
ishiba and interview some of us and i
was on there
and he kind of asked me what's your goal
what do you want to see happen with the
bakram with the boys here
i said i really only have one goal and
again i can tell there are people who
didn't like what i said
so my only goal
is that the boys should know that i
unconditionally love them appreciate
them value them really admire them
and my hope is from that
they will then consider
that i live my life
in a way that i love yiddish guy that to
me tire is the only thing in the world
that matters it's the only way to live
your life it's the only way to really
have
the
it's the only truth in the world
and i hope they will consider that one
day
and if they do not
i will love them all the same and i
always tell them you know what i would
love for you to win the lottery also do
you hate me for that you know what i'm
saying i hope you win the lottery and if
you don't it's okay i'll love you all
the same i don't want you to win the
lottery to give us money i don't care
you don't have to give us money i'm just
i just want you to win the lottery
because i love you and i want what's
good for you and because i want what's
good for you i know this is the only
good in the world the only and i want
you to have it but if you don't want it
that's fine that's your life to live
i'm not here to tell you how to live
your life i'm here to tell you how i
live my life
and you decide how to live your life and
i will love you all the same it doesn't
matter to me
[Applause]
and i'll tell you something else i i
have a daughter i have five daughters
actually and
um
so one of them i remember many many
years ago she came home all right kids
so uh
i had a daughter who came home from you
know they go to like mainstream-based
tacos and
you know personally i'm just saying i
love the school they go to you know i i
i have a lot of appreciation for their
school um for for the shibutana passaic
passaic
but my daughter came home she was very
young she was very upset and i was
talking to her in her bed one night she
was very young and i asked her what's
bothering her
she told me that in davening
she doesn't like daviding in school and
i said what's wrong so she said maura
gives out stickers
sometimes i dive in really beautifully
and i don't get a sticker
and
sometimes i don't want to dive in and
then you know i feel bad that i don't
get a sticker
and my friend gets a sticker and i don't
get a sticker all normal healthy
feelings of a child
and i said to my daughter
i'm going to tell you what
i'm going to buy you a book of stickers
so she said to me you mean if i dive in
nicely you're going to buy me a book of
stickers
and i said no
i'm just going to buy you a book of
stickers
i said if you want a darvin that's
between you and hashem
nobody can tell you whether you should
david or not
only you and hashem
you come home you go to school if you
don't want to go to school for dividing
that's fine also you could stay home
and
bark hashem it helped tremendously this
daughter i mean all my
leonhard my children are great davners
because their mother is an unbelievable
governor and they watch her daughter
every day in the house so you know they
have a wonderful role model in that way
but this daughter
you know certainly has a very very
special
place in her heart about tefila
and
you know
this idea of unconditional love
it's not a trick i just want to be clear
it's not a tool
i'm not trying to manipulate someone to
get where i am
you know i
it's really not
it
you know hashem loves all of his
children
no matter what
and hashem knows what goes on inside the
heart of every single human being every
jew he knows
and it's our job to love our children
unconditionally and what does that even
mean if my kid doesn't dive and i don't
love them like what does that have to do
with me even
that's between them and hashem
and if my kid doesn't make enough money
should i not like them also
like what what what does that have to do
with anything that's their business
my business is to love my child
my business is to like my child my
business is to admire my child my
business is to see my child for who they
are
and my children are different my oldest
oh she's a straight a nothing like me
she's always she's stressing out at home
you know doing all her work i'm like
stop doing your homework it's stressing
yeah what are you doing my wife's like
leave her alone i'm like stop it's
driving you crazy you know and my second
one oh she can't stand over you know
she's like she's like tatty you know
start a orange show for girls i want to
go to our school you know we don't have
homework that's a big thing or mateo
salman who's really my rebbe and uh
um
that's the other book i tell every
person really needs to read with hearts
full of love it really touches how much
said which is
it's not a psychology book it's uh it's
it's a book of torah the whole thing is
torah and uh matiel says in there that
school is not home there's a whole
chapter and you should know i started
all my classes my whole year when i used
to teach uh every day give a shear with
this
chapter
it's called school is not home is not
school excuse me
it talks about a parent should not make
their kids do their homework that's what
the masjid says
he says it creates such tension in the
home
such tension
and then he says parents become the bad
guy
you know and and
and i want and i'm telling you i've
never allowed i love my wife she's
wonderful i never allow her to make them
do their homework so she somehow gets
them to do it i don't know how but but i
i won't allow it and we have a sheet in
our yeshiva there is no homework for
general studies also there's no homework
when a boy goes home they have to be
home home has to be a place that they
love they have to love being home they
have to love being with their parents
they have to love spending time at home
with their friends running around being
kids is a very famous mice i
misunderstood it for many years i think
have a better understanding of it today
very famous mice that rabiacov
kaminetsky
there was a child one of his
grandchildren i guess someone came over
to speak with him and the grandchild
hopped onto the table and was standing
dancing on the table
and i always remind my wife for the
story it doesn't work still but
nonetheless and uh so the the person who
was there meeting with their biafra he
said like with you know with all due
respect
what kind of kinect is it to have a
child standing on a table
serbia said doesn't mean controlling
your child i promise you this child at
15 will not be standing on a table you
don't have to worry about it that's not
called
that's nothing
means in my opinion it's not my opinion
i have no opinions from what i've
learned
means really to be a loving person and
through that it with the outpouring will
be that you become someone that people
say i want to live my life just like
this like my mother my father
i want to live such a life but if the
mother and father is a bitter angry
person all the time why would they want
to live that life
what what would they why would they want
that
if yiddish got that's the famous story
their motive feinstein right they say
that by ramaisha that many many years
ago a lot of children
went off to dara some stayed on some
went off and they asked her maisha what
was the nazca meaner right why did some
stay on and why did some go off and he
said because a lot of parents said okay
i'm not judging khalilah judging you
know
and really the answer is whatever kayla
said about feeling whole within
ourselves and that that that's the truth
meaning we don't need to work on our
kids we need to work on ourselves that's
really the truth you know but ramos just
said because designing you that people
would say it's so hard to be a youth and
if it's hard to be a youth so why does
the next generation want to be
but if the greatest thing in the world
is to be then of course that's what
they're gonna want
you know that but but but only if they
really feel that way only if they really
experience that only if shabbos really
feels like something you know something
special only if they they see in the
home that that this is this is happiness
this is godless
but but if the relationship is tense
you didn't dive in you didn't watch the
english or you know you didn't this you
didn't know what why would they want it
and and then
we're stuck with the problem we have to
then convince them somehow this is
really good for you don't realize it's
good for you it's a bitter pill but it's
good for you you know we all have to do
hard things in life you know i've heard
that one a lot of times okay i don't
like we all do things we don't like to
do
okay but your whole life every day
you know that's that's how you're gonna
live your life
so i'll just end with one last point i'm
sorry to for speaking so long
um
so my takeaway from the shabbos though
was really
this though
i knew we had to like our children
i knew it wasn't enough to love them
but i didn't know we had to like
let me say it differently i i didn't
realize and it's funny it's because i
didn't read the kazanich properly
i think the khazanesh is lush and i
don't have it in front of me
i said it to someone yesterday but he
says we don't need warmth and love
i could look it up but
i think he says we need
yeah value we need to value them
we need to appreciate them
we need to admire them
it's not enough
even to like maybe it has to be
admiration
you know i know how rabbit kills just
tommy didn't feel about him and i'm sure
you see his tommy them that's how we
have to feel about our children every
single one of them they have to be doing
them in our eyes
you know i don't believe i don't know
maybe i don't know i don't know i don't
think doiling became gadolin thinking i
want to be a goddamn i don't think at
least it would seem very unhealthy to me
but
certainly our children have to be good
island in our eyes every single one of
them
and any child who doesn't feel that way
is gonna struggle
they're gonna struggle
and you know why because you know what
they say to themselves subconsciously if
my own parents don't think i'm the
greatest why should anybody else
you know what happens they meet a girl
or a guy and they tell them they're the
greatest
even if it's for 10 seconds
and like i i like can't get over some of
the stories i hear
so stupid you know they believe the guy
you know like really
but you know what it
for 10 seconds they felt like they were
the greatest person in the world
that's what i walk away with you know i
love all my children at barcelona we
have seven children they're all
wonderful i don't have a favorite i love
them all
but i i
reflecting my wife and i were talking
i could see some of them need more time
some of them need more admiration
even thinking that i like them even
thinking
you know i certainly have no negative
nothing negative
but maybe
not even recognizing how great they are
isn't enough
and i'm walking away
with a
commitment i told my wife that once a
week moving forward i'm going to spend
one night take with my wife going out
for pizza with one child
once a week
and
the kids who i feel
do need more
of that admiration i plan to give to
them when i get home
um because the reality is children can't
fail only i can
okay i'm uh
okay i'm not gonna say my tagline of i'm
not gonna take a lot of time uh
lied to too many crowds over the course
of shabbos it's not
this point already it's just
pathological it's not
um
i um
one of my tell me them scott was
speaking i was reminded of so many
things
i have a yeshiva in cleveland shiva high
school of cleveland um
we have it's a very small school we're
more of a preventative school um boys
who were in the mainstream yeshivas but
they they couldn't be celebrated in the
mainstream not the mainstream's fault
not their fault they just couldn't be
celebrated in uh in the mainstream
and that would have led to them just
falling between the cracks and
everything so so we're there and uh
and i i love these boys but
that line comes up a lot you know the
the line of robbie after right when we
can't do something or we struggle with
our dorm right we have boarding houses
and it's very it's very difficult
especially in the cleveland winter to
get the boys from the boarding houses to
the dorm back to the boarding houses to
the dorm you know we're we're trying to
have a dorm within the with that or have
a building would be great also we'd have
a building with a
so i was i was squeezing with the guys
about the frustration i love sharing
with my boys the frustration that she
was going through i i i remember being a
teenager when the robin would go into
their closed door meetings
and and it was so it was so alienating
because if you're going to do that i i
hear
do it when i'm not here
it was very alien now we need to have
meetings that we can't discuss in front
of the guys obviously but but not when
not not when we're not when the boys are
around
it's like it's like your children
if you have that thing that you gotta
you know every guy's worst nightmare
every guy's biggest every man's anxiety
is when the wife says to him right
before the kids come home we need to
talk
and then the kids come home after they
go to sleep it's like
i can't
i can't breathe what time do they go to
sleep
i can't do this but with four hours you
crazy they're like melatonin get the
melatonin out we're knocking them out
early tonight that's not
so
so but i i was sharing with my tell me
them the the struggle of uh because they
were sharing with me also that it's
difficult and we were sharing this
and one of the boys said to me rebbe
don't worry about it
after
i get i get out of here and after
let me set it like that sounds like
prison all right after i i move on and
after
i make my money
right it's a concept of a kid's money by
the way teenagers still have that same
concept of a money right they all think
that with that pizza shop job they're
going to move out they're going to get
an apartment they're going to get their
insurance they're going to buy a car
they're going to
they all have that they still have that
concept of money
and he said when i get a million
review all to me it still won't help
you can dollars
it's like
when i'm when i get my million dollars
ready i'm telling you
i'm going to build us a building i'm
going to guess the door and i said to
him sound like
i don't need you a million dollars you
already gave me a million dollars you
showed up you're here this is this is
worth so much more than that i don't
need your million dollars later
and i can't stand it when guys say it
because then i know i'm doing something
wrong
i i love that they feel connected and
they feel ashiba that they want to give
back that's beautiful
but the ones that you see in their eyes
feel that they have to pay you for this
they have to give back
they don't feel
that you're doing this
because you're so in love
with what's happening
they don't feel you're gaining enough
from it
i tell my boys all the time it's not
it's very cliche but it's so true
every single year i know i'm walking out
a different person from that year i'm
going to meet some kid and i'm going to
learn something i never knew
i used to give the boys friday night
around the shops they will give
breakfast friday night i could do for my
kids my kids go first and the boys know
my kids have their seats on the table
and no one's allowed to i want to touch
the seat it
it gets funny when there's other guests
over there and someone tries to sit and
like my four-year-old daughter's seat
and they're like actually that's only
honesty and i'm like who what and he's
like eliana's taking your seat and she
comes and she's like that's my seat like
fine
so i go around and give i give breakfast
to all the boys
friday night
and one friday night i'm going around
i'm giving brachas i go up to one boy
i'm just going one boy to the next go up
to one boy i'm about to give him a
bracha and he moves out from under my
hand which is very very common he was a
new kid
moves out for money he was having i've
been a local boy a boy that was local to
cleveland which most of my boys aren't
you move down from under my hand and he
goes oh it's okay robbie my my parents
already gave me a bracha
and my heart broke
this kid taught me such an enormous
lesson
if he thinks that i'm trying to give him
a bracha instead of his parents
the other guys might be thinking that
also
who in the world do i think i am
i was giving him break as a rugby i was
not
and i switched it up
we do it by sean i'll show this now
because no one and no one uses it no and
no no one questions it
and when i go and put my hand in the
head they're like what oh oh okay
no one's ready for it you know
but everyone gave them friday night
because they used to their parents doing
it
i cannot i should technically be a a
number
i went to a very good elementary school
but when i was growing up it was still
very in style to um embarrass a kid then
hit him then embarrass him again and
then really to drill to drill it home
have him like stand up for the rest of
the class and no one forgets
and so that to make sure that the trauma
is like
deep seated in there to make sure they
would have you stand up
so
um
that would happen constantly daily i
would get smacked or what he called
and
and uh i remember one one time i was in
seventh grade already so like a little
bit of an older kid one of them being
from the other class who i didn't know i
never said three words to i'm josh i've
never
said three words to this person but the
way you looked at me in the hallways and
then was because i had a chip
which if he saw me speak now he'd be
like serves you right
you see what happens
everybody's showing them finally exactly
his revenge
he'd be thrilled to see me now
um but uh
but every time he would walk he would
walk by me in the hallway he would he
would give me this look
and um
and
he pulled me over
one day and he said to me
um i heard so we walked into the office
and i sat down in a chair
and
because i was used to it
i had my chair in the office that i
would sit in and then they would sit and
we would do the thing
and the good days were when the
principal had his computer screen he
just got a computer and school's done
and he had a computer screen turned
around and they used to have remember
remember what a screensaver is i don't
know if anyone has screensavers on
things a screensaver was these these
shapes that would spin around each other
and it was mind-blowing so we'd have a
computer at home it was mind-blowing to
me this thing and i would sit there
watching it and i could space out like
you have no idea how badly i could space
out and i'm sitting there watching i
never listened to a word anyone said
well that computer screamed i would just
nod and agree and periodically say i'm
sorry and
and
and uh
and so this rebbe comes in and i sit
down and he says yeah that makes sense
and i said he's like you're going to sit
down before the rebbe okay
okay are you the rebbe i said
no he said
would you like to sit in the rebbe's
seat then maybe i said i said belle
we already accomplished this i think
so he says stand up so i stand up and he
says i'm not going to sit in a room with
you like
fantastic
and and it was so it was he said i'm not
going to sit in a room with you and
my wedding goal was so bad that i was
relieved i was like oh good this is
going to take long
to get back to lunch
and he goes he goes uh
which is another thing from a hanukkah
if it's a long conversation obviously
you have to do it during recess but
leave a kid's recess time alone you want
to speak to a kid call him at home
call him up let his mother tell him your
rebbe is on the phone for you he wants
to speak to you the kid will feel like a
million especially if you're telling him
something good pull him out during class
and tell him i'm sorry i couldn't wait
till after class that was incredible
what you just did that was amazing
so he turns to me and he goes i heard
you're hanging out
oh
okay i just realized okay
it's a dangerous story
i heard you hanging out
um with uh
might she
i wish his brother was actually here i
just asked i heard you hanging out with
maishi
and i said i said yeah yeah he's a new
boy i uh i what he called he said no not
yeah no
he said
he answers yeah though i don't know what
to do right now
and he goes he goes you are not to see
that boy outside of yeshiva anymore
and there was one second
where i felt so good i was like wow
that's so beautiful
i don't even know this guy this kid that
he's talking about is in his class and
the kid was he was a little bit of uh
you could tell he was a trans woman of
the year he probably got him well he was
a little bit of a troublemaker
and he said
and he was trying to protect me
so he's like you're not hanging out with
that kid anymore
i said
okay and back then it was like ravi's
word is reviews words i said okay
uh okay you know i was thinking myself i
don't know what i'm gonna say to this
kid but okay you know fine
and he said because you're not gonna
ruin that neshama i'm like
and it took like a minute for it to even
even process i was like wait a second is
anyone else in here did he there were so
many other stories that i went for first
because it made no sense that someone
would do that
i want to tell you something i went home
because back in the day before people
although when i was a kid
when i was a kid our two big fears were
being kidnapped and quicksand those were
our two big fears
quicksand was a big was a big thing
i don't know
bugs bunny almost died a whole bunch of
times because they're quick sad
i
nowadays i don't hear about it anymore i
i don't know anyone and it's our big
fear when a kid goes missing we're like
he got kidnapped he got kid
i don't know the last time you knew
anyone that was kidnapped i don't know
it's like so many other things happen
daily that that's a problem but okay
so we fine
but we used to go home by ourselves now
we'll go from bar park to brooklyn
okay at least everyone else is still
listening
morrow park to flatbush
i'm a real right here i've done this man
uh back to flatbush and we take the b9
bus and i would walk and get on the b9
i'll be going home i remember i was
sitting on the bus and i just started
laughing to myself now this isn't a rare
occurrence by the way if you see me
walking down the street my wife asks me
to wear earpods even if they're dead she
said cause then then no one's gonna
think you're insane
when you're walking and you're laughing
for no reason when no one's around and
you're talking to yourself
so i uh i'm on the bus and i start
laughing to myself
and
and it was one it was probably the first
moment that i realized what it means to
have a home and what it means to have a
school
i was laughing at myself
i was laughing with myself because i was
like that guy's crazy
that guy's so
crazy
and i was afraid to tell my parents but
i want you to know why i was afraid to
tell my parents
i came home
i was completely not curious what this
guy said to me at all
like it didn't even
this is probably one of the first times
i'm even bringing up that story again
and not out of a traumatic thing i it
has been an unimportant event in my life
and i remember saying
it's walking in and i wanted to tell my
mother because it was like meeting a
crazy person on the subway it was like
you're not gonna believe what this guy
was doing like
i wanted to tell my mother but i knew
i knew
my mother would get in her car
she would drive down to that school and
wait
and the minute that guy or anyone who
looked like him came out of that
building
she'd run him over back up run him over
again
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she would pull the she would call the
ambulance for him make sure he gets
proper medical attention
have him go to wait for him to do
physical therapy be healthy come back
out wait outside the hospital and go for
a second
without a question in my mind i was
worried about this crazy person
and i was i was i was legitimately
worried for him
so i didn't say anything to my mother
i didn't say anything to my mother
oh yeah
very good yes
yes for everyone out there that's like
these moroccan ladies my mother is
ashkenaz she's superbly asking us
and um
and but she's got the heart of a
moroccan
so
that's why i always said anyone always
said that moroccan men could be very
violent could be very what he called
then you know that i'm like why don't
you go see a moroccan couple for a
second you tell me that we're worried
about him uh you know meeting about it
they're tough these ladies so
my
yeah you got that i abandoned that joke
halfway through good
um
my point is is that right now the way i
view it and schools are incredible but
the way i view it with my own children
as scott was saying is that and or a
chaos touchdown i'm going to say it mean
but
schools are a glorified babysitting
service for me
that's what it is
they are not there to build my child
they're not even there to talk to my kid
they are not there to do anything but
give him some information that he's
never going to use again
think about the valedictorian in your
school
you have any idea where that person is
right now
they peaked way too early in life
they got to speak at the end they quoted
a few people think their parents think
they're what you called and said
something condescending like and to my
very m
from here it is up and beyond i go to
youtube this i didn't have to show up
this could have been in an email you
could have sent everyone an email we
could have done it
i'm not saying there's anything wrong
with the kid that achieves well it's
beautiful
but what did he do with that afterwards
and but the kid who got the experiences
that kids that
that kid walks out a a a a
a wellspring
of love of information of of experience
i'm going to end with this
when i was an artist sorrow
and i was an artistral
i uh i'm dyslexic
um
by my blessing and nature
and
and i mean i don't know i have a bunch
of
but yeah a bunch of things i carry with
me you know just to impress people
so uh
so
it's my it's my khasana stick i'm
dyslexic i uh
i
so i had a fear out i was very worried
with my first son that the reading
because reading if if you're a boy in a
yeshiva and you can't read
your life is going to take a very i'm
we're the people of the book
if you can't read it it's it's a big
problem
so
i uh i was very worried and when my son
first went into heider and eric israel
rabbi hillel was his rebbe
there's something i think okay scott
will definitely agree when you meet a
rebbe
even a a fourth grade review not even i
i love how people like down play like a
great school review or elementary school
these people do more care of and save
more lives i and have the opportunity to
do that on a daily basis but
when you meet a rebbe
especially a rugby of young children
that loves what he does that is so on
fire about what he does this rebbe one
time told me his ruby hello he told me
he said there's a maksan a uh
uh a storeroom in a storage room in the
in the school a whole sun however big
these maksans are packed with suitcases
packed he said i have three suitcases in
there for every month of the year
for every month of the year i have three
suitcases in there
because that's what i use i use all the
stuff in those suitcases to decorate the
class every single every single month we
do a different decorations in a class he
switches up the whole classroom
that's a person who just he doesn't have
to do he loves what he does
so i went in for our pta
and my first thing was is how you know
how's he reading i read with him at home
and i you know he's not getting it i
don't think he's getting it
and he said to him
he said to me he opens up an olive bina
and he sends it gives it to me and he
says uh he says show me uh show me how
you show me how you do it i'm like
what do you what do you want me i
started palpatine i'm like oh no he's
gonna test me on korea like that's
that's how deep uh i'm like what do you
want me to do he's like he takes alafina
turns it in front of him he says i'm
going to be your son you'll be you
okay
i'm like oh no i'm definitely getting
all this wrong
he goes i'm going to start reading i'm
going to make mistakes i'm going to make
the mistakes i know he makes and so he
starts going
and i like i correct him i said oh and
i'm doing it nicer than i would even do
it in print like maybe let's do that
again
and and he's like no that's wrong don't
do that don't do that and then he goes
to the next word and i'm trying
everything and he's like don't do that
don't do that
and i'm like okay i get it i'm i i'm
horrible what do you want
and he looks at me and he goes
your son's either going to learn here to
read or not learn how to read
that's just what's going to happen in
life
let me show you what you should do
he turns around the offbeat he hands it
to me he says read it any way you want
he says don't even say the right word
so i'll never forget it
the word was nim shah i don't
i'll never forget the word
and i look at it i say nem shnim
i said what is going on
i said what is going on right now
and he goes no no keep going i am sorry
i interrupted i keep going
and every word i would say he would just
ah
that's beautiful
i said what are you doing
he said you don't know what i'm doing i
said no
he took my hand he leaned over the table
he took my hand he looks at me and he
goes
i want you to imagine that you're five
years old
just imagine that you're five years old
i said okay he said you're not good at
reading you said you weren't going to
read i said no i'm not going to read it
he said you have the olive being in
front of you
he said you have your aleph being in
front of you
he said you're up to a hard word it's
nimshaq that a hard
word he says picture yourself saying it
i say okay and i'm starting to get
and he says now i want you to look
across at your father
i look across and he goes your father is
saying ah
and i started bowling
and i said wow
i want to learn i don't even care if i
get it right
it doesn't matter
he learned how to walk
he learned how to talk
he'll learn how to read
but he needs to have that as loveless
and no rebbie or stranger a person the
world could give that to him
nobody
the rebbe said leave the correcting to
me because either i'll get it right or
i'll get it wrong either i'll read or he
won't
but there's something you can give him i
never could
i could never give him
that reaction of his abba
that reaction i could never give him
it'll never mean anything to him
i hate when we do the school bashing
not because it's right or wrong
but because we feel that if we assign
blame
and it's not our blame
we could sleep better at night
everyone gets up and says if you throw a
kid out you know what these principles
are going through sometimes
if you're throwing it out you're all
right saya
i'm not saying they're right or wrong
i'm saying for every parent that's
calling and saying if you throw this kid
out you're at safe he has four parents
going saying how are you keeping the kid
you're he's a mazda grab him and he's a
everyone's calling on their side with
their thing he's gonna make an enemy
with everybody no matter what
and the rebellion
why doesn't he give my son more time and
because he gets paid 25 000 a year he
has to hold down eight jobs so does his
wife and he has his own kids
he's stressed
we have to stop relying on these people
to do anything other than what they're
actually supposed to do
which is teach them basically useless
information
no i've had some amazing rebate in my
life
i will never forget misato's marcus
because rabbi weissler one time at the
end
of a class and i was not by a stretch of
the imagination the best kid in that
class
i think it was me there was a few empty
spots
i was that bad and then it was the rest
of the class to they just put me a few
levels below
one time i don't know what it was i
don't know why i applied myself one day
yeah
it's a weird day
whenever i watched the night before was
not good enough to have disturbed
what was happening
clearly i needed a distraction from life
so i paid attention tomorrow that day
and
at the end of the class
he gives the whole share
and i didn't ask any good questions by
the way and this is how you know
i didn't ask any good questions
i didn't raise my hand and answer
nothing
at the end of the class
he says
before we go to recess
and and this yeshiva this rebbe i love
them but it was not this type of because
before we go to recess i just uh i i
want to give the class a bracha
and everyone everyone stops and he goes
i give everyone here abraha
that every single time you learn
every single time you learn your face
should shine like elsie van sushan's
face is shining right now
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he didn't even like me i have no
knowledge
i will never forget my status moccasins
for as long as i live
we were learning kuffar kapara that day
i'll i'll never forget the line the daf
when he went like this to prove to us
kufrika para i'll never forget the whole
thing i remember the tie he was wearing
we're so afraid of negative influences
and negative effects on our children
we're so afraid
the first story i told you i promise you
i forgot until this morning
this story of rabbi weissler i remember
weekly
i called upon it weekly
the muhammad
and the schools have such a big
responsibility i don't mean to downplay
that
but at the end of the day
at the end of the day
they're there
so that we can get done what we need to
get done
and every other minute
and every other hour and every other
time of our life has to be spent on how
am i building this kid
and if you don't want to focus on how to
build a kid that's fine just focus on
the fact that this beautiful kid is mine
you're mine
they always say just love them
i always say i love the line
but that's like that's like telling uh
it's like going over to an oncologist
and saying so at the end of the day i
remember someone came over to me one
time he said at the end of the day all
you got is before even the rabbit
training book before all the this guy
comes to me goes at the end of the day
with these kids
and i just
was finished dealing with a very
difficult situation and it was the wrong
time for this guy to come up but he goes
at the end of the day with these kids
it's just love
just you know show them you like i'm
showing me love them give them a good
time they'll come back
i was like that's like saying to an
oncologist
at the end of the day
you just give them medicine right
i'm saying just give them some medicine
chemo whatever give them medicine
they'll be fine like yeah
i guess
yeah yeah
but there's different medicines there's
different times different ways there's
different
there's just so much behind that
we need rebellion need experience and
time and and all these things to learn
what to administer when
a parent has that naturally
we cannot
take your place
a rebbe
a teacher a principal cannot and should
not ever take the parents place
we are here to support you but you lead
the way
you lead the way
be in contact with your kids teachers be
in contact with everyone you can you
lead the way there is no question i'm
sure that kayla's gonna test this i'm
sure rabbi friedman can attest to this
there is no question if you were to take
a kid in ninth grade
and his parents are in touch with me and
and are putting into the yeshiva are
invested in the yeshiva not just their
son but are invested in the yeshiva they
come by they want to be a part
when you see that boy versus a kid whose
parents are not like that and you watch
them go from 9th to 12th you are dealing
with a different product
a completely different product
our schools are there for what they're
there for
they are a child's school
like your job
it's not your life hopefully
you're their life
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