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What can you use in an Airbnb kitchen? - Keeping it Kosher Clips
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Can you use the microwave in an Airbnb? What about the stovetops or counters? Rabbi Donneal Epstein discusses these questions and what difficulties one might encounter. The newest episode of the Keeping it Kosher podcast, Navigating Travel, is out now! Host Rabbi Ezra Sarna is joined by Rabbi Donneal Epstein, OU Kosher Rabbinic Coordinator, to discuss practical halachos for kosher travel, covering everything from hotel coffee machines and rental home kitchens to highway rest stops and more. 🎧Listen now at keepingitkosher.org or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Let's talk about Airbnbs or home rentals.
You take your family away for a vacation,
and now, in this rental, you have
microwaves, you have stovetops,
you have counters. Can you briefly address
the issues of these different items?
So even though we said there was
a heter for Stam Keilim, that's
only bedieved, that's after the
fact, or you're in a tight situation.
You don't take a vacation and just rely on that
lechatchilah. So, the microwave is really the
easiest thing to use because if you double-wrap
something, you don't have to kasher it.
And double-wrap means in saran
wrap? It means in plastic bags?
Either or.
I see. But it has to be plastic? In other words,
if I wrap it with paper towels, it doesn't help?
No. I would not recommend that because a problem
that can come up is that anything that gets hot,
you know, the zeah liquefies and it comes up,
and the paper towels won't hold it back. Whereas,
if it's double-wrapped plastic, it should hold
it in, and there shouldn't be any problem.
Stove tops, you know, there might be
dirt or grime on the stove itself,
but the actual coils, can I just put my kosher
pot on top of the coils and use it like that?
There are different types of ranges. If it's a gas
range with the old-fashioned fire that goes on. So
you can just clean the grate and put the fire on
for 20 minutes, and then it's considered kosher,
and then you can cook your food. It would
be a problem if it's a glass-top stove,
that would be a problem because you can't
really kasher glass. I mean glass is a
very big enigma in halacha, either you
can't kasher it or it doesn't really
get tried. So of course, not on Pesach. You
know, Ashkenazim, bedieved, b’sha'at hadchak,
they might be makel, but never in a lechatchilah
setting. And what people do is, you don't have
to kasher it, you put something, there's a mat
that's made to go over these glass-top stoves;
it's called a LoMi mat. And you put that on
top, and it's hefsek, so it divides between the
range and the pot, and even if it wasn't cleaned
properly, it doesn't make a difference, it's fine.
Wow. Is there a difference between Ashkenazim
and Sephardim when it comes to glass?
Yes. Because it's a question in the
Rishonim, what exactly is the status
of glass? Is it like a klei cheres? You can't
kasher a klei cheres. The only thing you can do
is throw it out. And there's one de'ah
that holds that not only is a klei cheres
better because it doesn't it's not boleah,
meaning it doesn't absorb any tam at all.
So, we discussed microwaves,
stovetops. What about the countertops?
Do you have to do anything with them?
The countertop is a little bit of an issue because
perhaps there was some hot non-kosher food there.
Even if you want to say stam keilim, but again,
lechatchilah, you don't want to rely on that. So,
don't take your hot spoon that you just
mixed something with and that's wet,
and put it down on the counter. Better to
put some plastic down or on it to make a
little separation between the keilim that you're
using to prepare food now and the countertop.
And what about the kettles? It seems like
every Airbnb has a nice kettle on top,
and you make your coffee with the
kettle on top. The kettle is just
used for hot water. Can you just
use any kettle you find in Airbnb?
Yes, no problem with using a kettle. Even if,
again, someone would use it for something other
than water, there's a principle with
kashrus, rov tashmiso, is how you how
you dan on a klei. You don't have to assume it
was made with something else, that he made his
vegetable soup or chicken soup in there. And
you can use it for plain hot water, no problem.